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Sorry for another noob question, but i own a blackstone for 2 weeks now and
i'm trying to realize why there are so many different ROMs out there.
* i'm not asking a "which rom question", just trying to learn more.
So.. i have a new blackstone with WM6.1 and TF3d. why do i need to install
a ROM anyway? i know i don't have to, but i see many people talking about it
and i feel that i'm missing something.
I would say... if you are happy with your ROM, there's no reason to change. In general, the usual reasons are:
- Your ROM is branded (Orange, T-Mobile...) and you don't need the 'extras' that your carrier has included in default ROM.
- You want to make some 'tuning' or your device and someone has cooked a ROM which includes all the patches, tricks and regisitry changes that will make your device better
- There are new versions of TF3D, camera program, or any other default program and HTC does not offer these updates to you, are only included in a new device; however you will always find a cooked ROM where these updates are included.
- Customization: Some cooked ROMs include nice TF3D customization, wallpapers, and a set of finger-friendly applications pre-installed. If you are bored with default settings and you don't like to spend much time downloading & trying things, a new ROM could be an option.
I'm still using the ROM that came with my unit.
My personal reason to flash a new (custom) rom, is to get more out of the HD then HTC give me originally. I just knew it had more potential (and I was right ). Plus, I like to play around with PC's, gadgets etc.
What's all this about newer radio versions?
Why do people rebuild old cars? why add 4-barrel carb and headers ect. Many reasons many cooked roms preform better than stock. other include apps in the rom not included by your vender. Others flash just to tinker, its fun to try the newest latest. Mosttly its to customize what you have and make it diffrent from the 100,000 other HDs
I would be very cautious about flashing your device with unofficial ROMs. While making a few improvements they carry a potentially large number of glitches. So if you're an adventurous type, go for it. Otherwise stick to the official ROM.
kevinsmbuk said:
What's all this about newer radio versions?
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Link to new radio's thread here and flashing radio's in wiki here
The radio provides improvements on the GSM radio stack and this has effect on the GSM signal, AT command interface, GSM data modem (3G, GPRS, EDGE, HSDPA, etc...) functionality that is controlled by the Radio Interface Layer (RIL). The radio stack has nothing to do with WiFi or bluetooth -- it is only for the GSM/WCDMA(3G) part of the device.
Newer radio's our released which may improve GSM signal, although certain radio's work better for different countries/areas.
Ok now i get it.
I have the original ROM that came with my device and after i've found out why
people change their ROMs i think it doesn't really worth it.
The only thing i've found useful is changing my radio version, which works really
good. so now i have radio v1.12 installed.
Of course i like to tweak my device and configure it to my own needs, but for
this reason i've installed many apps without flashing a cooked ROM.
GoldCoin said:
Ok now i get it.
I have the original ROM that came with my device and after i've found out why
people change their ROMs i think it doesn't really worth it.
The only thing i've found useful is changing my radio version, which works really
good. so now i have radio v1.12 installed.
Of course i like to tweak my device and configure it to my own needs, but for
this reason i've installed many apps without flashing a cooked ROM.
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There is also some fixes which have been released by HTC for screen flickering etc which can be found on their website here
If you install a new ROM version, is possible the to put the old (original) version back to your HTC (abd howw to do that) or is too late then ?
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There is also some fixes which have been released by HTC for screen flickering etc which can be found on their website here
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Installed these fixes as well, but i wish HTC had more stuff in their website to download. Like newer radio versions for example?
Anyway i'm glad we can find all these things here on XDA-developers.
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Anyway i'm glad we can find all these things here on XDA-developers.
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Thats why we're here!!!
Welcome to xda developers!!
What a warm welcome that guy got.
It answered most of the question I have about using cooked (non-official) roms too.
If we are using non official ROMs can we still change the TF3D theme's and look of the Touch HD?
I am having trouble finding the best set of applications to replace the calendar, mail, SMS etc etc... I guess this is a regular question, BUT any suggestions?
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What a warm welcome that guy got.
It answered most of the question I have about using cooked (non-official) roms too.
If we are using non official ROMs can we still change the TF3D theme's and look of the Touch HD?
I am having trouble finding the best set of applications to replace the calendar, mail, SMS etc etc... I guess this is a regular question, BUT any suggestions?
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Not to make you feel left out....Welcome to xda developers!!
There are numerous different themes and applications you can use to change your phones appearance. They can all be found in the applications forum located here. Do a general search for what you are looking for i.e. themes or calendar and see what threads aleady exist before creating any new ones. An example of a thread is this one Customizing TF3D - The Collection!
Hope this helps
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Also check out the wiki
Tweaks section which offers advice on:
How to customize the HD (eg. backgrounds, themes, icons etc.), Manila Research
How to customize TF3D tab icons
And the applications section:
Programs/Utilities working on the Touch HD (1 - M)
Programs/Utilities working on the Touch HD (N - Z)
Games working on the Touch HD (A - Z)
Games that have been tested to work in Full screen Mode on a HD
Touch HD freeware
Useful Software for your Blackstone
Hiya Guys, I've recently installed HSPL on my HD2 and i've tried a couple of different ROMs, so far i've realised i'm not a big fan of the graphical soft keys, much prefer the text ones!
I'm looking for a little but of advice. I am looking for a ROM which is close to stock but does not have HTC messaging as i am fed up of the SMS problems.
Which ROMS do not have the HTC messaging? I know people dont like reccomending ROMs and i am happy to try any/all, i just cant find them!
Thanks,
Martyn
dont know if theres a rom without manila sms. i know dutty made one for hd, but i dont know if he has one for hd2. Did you search for one? If you cant find one when you search, then prob there isnt one out there.
Take a look at Freyberry's ROMS. IIRC he has a version that may be what you are looking for.
WB
After the latest SMS hot fix. I am running problem free with my messaging (at least as far as i have noticed lol)
I tried all the patches but still had the issue, if anything it seemed worse for me!
the one I am running at the moment is Miris XtraLite which would be perfect, except i prefer to just have the text icons for the softkeys whereas this has the windows logo and rounded icons.
Can i just change these icons somehow?
have any one found a STABLE ROM that thay used for 2-3 days without soft reset ?
im trying to find most stable ROM possible, preferably 6.5.3 or above, but the one i can trust not to hang for 2,3 days of hard core use as Music Player, Web Browser and Online connection to MSN/Skype for 24Houers.
with or without HTC Sence.
at the moment im not that concern about performance as any rom is still faster then my old treo pro lol
yup, a stock one.
I´m using the official one and no problems.
1.48 or 1.66 ? if 1.48 then why not 1.66 ?
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1.48 or 1.66 ? if 1.48 then why not 1.66 ?
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You should try the Official 1.66.405.2 WWE ... it's most stable ROM for daily usage... it's included all the fixes from HTC ... so there is no problem... try it
just installed 1.66 ... installing all the soft i use, just installed Smaberg White 1 percent battery thing that makes % appear above the battery, now i have little black square next to it... but i guess that a different issue
vladimir2989 said:
just installed 1.66 ... installing all the soft i use, just installed Smaberg White 1 percent battery thing that makes % appear above the battery, now i have little black square next to it... but i guess that a different issue
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In my opinion.... if you use the official ROM... just install BsB Tweaks and then it's fine...
Hi,
Where can I find "Install BsB Tweaks"
Thanks
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have any one found a STABLE ROM that thay used for 2-3 days without soft reset ?
im trying to find most stable ROM possible, preferably 6.5.3 or above, but the one i can trust not to hang for 2,3 days of hard core use as Music Player, Web Browser and Online connection to MSN/Skype for 24Houers.
with or without HTC Sence.
at the moment im not that concern about performance as any rom is still faster then my old treo pro lol
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my own preference....freyberry barebone 6.5.5 latest ms build 23xxx running on base 1.66leo....stable....not a single softrest is needed for 2weeks for now....
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my own preference....freyberry barebone 6.5.5 latest ms build 23xxx running on base 1.66leo....stable....not a single softrest is needed for 2weeks for now....
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will try that soon prob on Monday, i been using freyberry Premium_nomess V6 or whatever the latest one is, for a while (i hate HTC messaging) but it hangs occasional especially over night, i have to do a soft reset every morning for some reason which make it useless as alarm clock (although i have suspicion it maybe due to someting i install or combination of stuff i install coz no one else seems to have that problem)
but i kinda need HTC Album (facebook uploading) i guess its not in bearbone so i will try WMPhone version or something
richsark said:
Hi,
Where can I find "Install BsB Tweaks"
Thanks
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here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=589305
next time do a search
Dutty's HG V.08. actually in HD2 i never get stuck..
Two weeks without a softreset that's thruly amazing especially
if you consider that WM 6.5.5 is not official and beta.
No mather which rom I use but everyday I do a softreset, kind of a habbit.
Currently I'm using the 2.07 T-Mob.
@Vladimir, no offence but I don't think you can open a thread like this and pick a rom based on the experiences people tell you here.
I think you need to test yourself as everyone has a different use/experience with a rom.
Just my 2 cents
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my own preference....freyberry barebone 6.5.5 latest ms build 23xxx running on base 1.66leo....stable....not a single softrest is needed for 2weeks for now....
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I'm using MIRI's 6.5 ROM.
I have found it to be completely stable. I have to avoid 6.5.x ROMs 'cos Memory Map doesn't work properly on them.
The stock ROM is stable, but it's a mess! They should have included a way to tidy the cluttered start menu. Things are improved by installing BSB Tweaks.
IMHO there is no such thing as the perfect ROM!
There are number of factors to consider that can effect the overall stabilty of a ROM be it stock or cooked, a ROM that one person might find it to be flawless, the other might have issues, remember not all bugs are ROM related so consider the following points:-
- The 3rd party apps you use
- The network you are on
- The radio version you use or combination of the radio & rom
I'm currently using stock 1.66 ROM not that it's the best but it's been the most stable for my apps and daily use!
One thing that frustrates me is the lack of constructive feedback you get from people flashing various stock or cooked ROM's it's allways comments like "This ROM is very fast and stable" or "this the best ROM I've tried" what's funny is that you get these comments when they've only used the ROM for couple of hours or in some cases just 5 minutes!!!!
IMHO you must use the ROM for at least couple of days if not a week and once you've installed all your apps then you can establish how good the ROM is in your daily use only then you should give your feedback so that others can have a better idea of how the ROM really performs!!!
Alright, so I have no experience making a ROM, but I figure I might as well learn. I personally am interested in a ROM for the HD2 that just uses Titanium - none of that messy Sense nonsense - and to the best of my knowledge the current ROM chefs aren't too interested in that.
However, considering I can always just turn off Sense, it seems like a lot of work for just me. Is anyone else out there interested in such a thing? I presume you'd want it based on 6.5.x, not the standard 6.5?
If there's enough interest, I'll get started tonight.
Also, if you are interested, please post what other add-ons you'd want pre-installed. I'd like to keep it fairly basic, and allow users to add their own customizations later, but I figure maybe at least 4-column start menu and slider at the bottom.
Would be a good idea to have one. I'd love to have compatible themes as well for it. It's really tough searching for them as nobody is really into that anymore. Titanium would fly on our phones as HTC Sense for WinMo is pretty slow compared to it's Android counterpart. I ran HTC Sense on my Nexus One and it was crazy fast and the Nexus One has less RAM and ROM space than the HD2
I like to use the phone without Sense, but recently with the Elegancia ROM from steve0007 I have been using it with Sense enabled. When I disable Sense, there is a weird issue on the HD2, and I think I experienced it with other ROMs too, where the default menus don't disappear from the screen once I have tapped what I need. They just stay, blocking the screen, and the only solution is a soft reset. It'd be nice to have the ability to enable and disable Sense at will without an issue like this. A ROM without Sense at all might be a solution but I prefer having both options.
Miri has a couple options out, Titanium only or without both. But you have to go over to that 'other site' to get them.
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Miri has a couple options out, Titanium only or without both. But you have to go over to that 'other site' to get them.
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Just checked it out. Looks like its based on 6.5. Nothing wrong with that per se, but without Sense you lose the HTC apps like contacts, calendar, etc and 6.5.x is a nice upgrade over 6.5 in that area.
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I like to use the phone without Sense, but recently with the Elegancia ROM from steve0007 I have been using it with Sense enabled. When I disable Sense, there is a weird issue on the HD2, and I think I experienced it with other ROMs too, where the default menus don't disappear from the screen once I have tapped what I need. They just stay, blocking the screen, and the only solution is a soft reset. It'd be nice to have the ability to enable and disable Sense at will without an issue like this. A ROM without Sense at all might be a solution but I prefer having both options.
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I'm sorry, can you explain this a little more? I've used stock, Energy, and Kumar's ROMs all with Titanium and I don't think I've seen that one.
I'm using a really basic rom right now with HTC's stuff disabled. I prefer the WinMo 6.5 style today screen, SMS app, and speed. I've tried a bunch of roms and sense just bogs the phone down to the point that they keyboard becomes slow and unresponsive and that drives me bonkers!
FYI - I've been playing around with kitchens, and have what appears to be a stable version of a fast, basic, Titanium-only ROM running on my phone.
I'll play around with it some more to sort out bugs and clean up my kitchen a bit more. Look for a thread with the ROM download in the coming days!
I'm relatively new, and will do a search here shortly, but Titanium? My biggest gripe with this phone is the messaging app. It always lags heavily every time I get a new text, as well as other weird time stamp issues. I would be interested in a ROM w/o the HTC messaging app, and if Titanium is it, them I'm game!
Like I said, I will be searching RIGHT after this about what all this is, and if there's a solution to what I'm looking for now.
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I'm relatively new, and will do a search here shortly, but Titanium? My biggest gripe with this phone is the messaging app. It always lags heavily every time I get a new text, as well as other weird time stamp issues. I would be interested in a ROM w/o the HTC messaging app, and if Titanium is it, them I'm game!
Like I said, I will be searching RIGHT after this about what all this is, and if there's a solution to what I'm looking for now.
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Titanium is the default Windows Mobile 6.5 interface. If you want to see what it looks like - go to the settings tab, hit menu->all settings->today, go to the Items tab, and switch to Windows Default.
And you're in luck - I am using the standard Windows Mobile messaging app as well.
I got a ROM building as I type this, I'll let you guys know how it goes
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I'm sorry, can you explain this a little more? I've used stock, Energy, and Kumar's ROMs all with Titanium and I don't think I've seen that one.
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Here is a link to the ROM: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=654218
It is for the T-Mobile HD2. It is probably the best looking and most stable I have used on any Windows Mobile phone...and I used MANY on my Touch Pro2.
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Titanium is the default Windows Mobile 6.5 interface. If you want to see what it looks like - go to the settings tab, hit menu->all settings->today, go to the Items tab, and switch to Windows Default.
And you're in luck - I am using the standard Windows Mobile messaging app as well.
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How did you get the standard winmo messaging app? Even after I disabled the sense UI it still used the sense messaging...
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How did you get the standard winmo messaging app? Even after I disabled the sense UI it still used the sense messaging...
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Sense UI and HTC messaging client are different but interdependent.
The HTCmessaging client may still function without sense UI.
If you want windows messaging, try here or need a cooked ROM like my Lite version ROM.
How is this coming along?
Anyone have any links to some Titanium ROMs?
i know nrg always puts out a titanium rom
NRG does have a Titanium Rom, however I have noticed a lot of programs are pre-packaged into the Rom that I would never use.
An Elegancia Titanium Rom would be the best of both worlds in my opinion. No fluff and allows for your own additions. Or a NRG Rom without the extras. Just my .02 in what I would like to see.
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How is this coming along?
Anyone have any links to some Titanium ROMs?
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I would recommend either Energy or Kumar's Titanium ROM, depending on what you're looking for.
I had something that was ok, not great, when the more established ROM chefs started putting out Titanium ROMs, so I figured I'd just leave it up to them.
Do you have a link for Kumars Titanium Rom? I see the Lite version but is that the same as Titanium or is there a separate thread which I am not seeing?
I'm going to download the Energy Rom but have a feeling it will still have too much added for my liking.
Well guys, after a couple weeks with the stock TMOBILE rom I conclude that it's just USELESS.
I can't even use the phone... It's getting stuck when I'm trying to call someone, stuck when viewing images, stuck stuck stuck, at least 5 times a day.
Plus a million SOD's a day... I tried everything, from losing all apps, to modifying the registry.
I NEED A NEW ROM
But there are so many over there, I do not know what to choose.
I need:
1. As little visual tweaks as possible, i'd like to take care of that myself (CHT Cooked in is fine though)
2. Maximum system stability and performance, I DON'T WANT HANGS FROM SIMPLE OPERATIONS SUCH AS CALLING SOMEONE
3. No bloatware
4. Not much bugs (ie good support, constantly worked on, not a 1 time "job" )
Basically If it can resemble the stock one, but with more stability, tweaks and performance boosts, then i'm happy.
I have the sticky flashing manual in hand, so all I need is a recommendation.
Looking forward to flashing this thing today, thank you very much XDA.
Energy ROM Cookie's Reference ROM
this is a custom rom close to stock as you're going to get, please make sure you read loads before flashing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=612580
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Energy ROM Cookie's Reference ROM
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Or the standard sense reference or full. I recommend using the 23569 builds as well. more finger friendly and slightly quicker. Also there is an advantage with the full version in that if you wish to update the rom in future you can backup your settings using the energy settings exporter and then reimport them.
regarding the builds mentioned - can you expand ? links ?
thanks !
Exporter sounds GREAT.
Basically there are two builds of almost all the custom roms. One build will be the latest 6.5 build (21907, same WM version as the stock roms but with some bug fixes) then there is the 23569 (or higher) builds. These are WM 6.5.5. Some big changes here to the way the start menu works and also to the UI to make it more finger friendly. It's also a little quicker than WM 6.5 but (apparently. i've not found any yet) more buggy then WM 6.5. Also as i said (and i've now checked this) custom roms also include newer, less buggy, versions of sense (AKA manilla)
I suggest EnergyROM
Great, I think I will go for Energy.Leo.23569.Sense2.5.Cookie.Reference.Jun.26.7z
Is that OK for me ? (well, is it better than what i have now )
Is there a settings exporter in Energy.Leo.21907 ?
If you have the T-Mobile US HD2, make sure you use the right radio for your device.
That would do nicely although i don't know if it includes the exporter tool. You may want to look at the full cht version.
Good point about the radio. I have a UK version so i can use whatever i want. The right radio roms for the TMOUS devices have verison numbers that look like this: 2.xx.50.xx. the 50 bit is important as radios with the 50 in it have the unlock code for the extra ram in them and are compatible with the 1024MB rom chips. Also never ever use a radio with a version number like this: 2.xx.51.xx. The 51 radios will brick your phone and they can not be recovered as far as i am aware.
And yes afaik there is a setting exporter in the WM 6.5 builds
My radio is 2.10.50.26
Is that OK ?
Just how much faster is the 6.5.5 over the regular one ? I'm not liking that lower start button anyway so if it's not really faster i'll pass.
Looks kinda like an iPhone.. Less " serious "
m3ph - what ROM have you had in mind with the Exporter build in and the upper start button and CHT ?
I thank you for all the help... I am feeling positive about my HD2 again.. Can't wait to flash it !
Just making sure I get everything right about all the different Energies so I don't reflash and reflash a thousand times... Making a concious decision
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My radio is 2.10.50.26
Is that OK ?
Just how much faster is the 6.5.5 over the regular one ? I'm not liking that lower start button anyway so if it's not really faster i'll pass.
Looks kinda like an iPhone.. Less " serious "
m3ph - what ROM have you had in mind with the Exporter build in and the upper start button and CHT ?
I thank you for all the help... I am feeling positive about my HD2 again.. Can't wait to flash it !
Just making sure I get everything right about all the different Energies so I don't reflash and reflash a thousand times... Making a concious decision
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the radio will be fine.
The difference in speed is not massive so i wouldn't worry about it.
The rom i'm thinking of will be at this link: http://hotfile.com/dl/50755734/bde591c/Energy.Leo.21907.Sense2.5.Cookie.Jun.26.Take2.7z.html
Sorry if i'm being a little slow. i'm trying to eat my din, while texting the mrs, getting nfs world beta to work and figure out why sense will not show around 3500 of my messages and thinks my sister is my best mate
Deal, I will burn that ROM then, in the 21907 version and settle down.
Does it have the exporter for future upgrades ?
Looks like i'm fixed then ! Thanks ! What version is the faulty Sense that thinks your sister is your best mate ? hahah
Sorry to hear that... my stock ROM still works fine... I did not even update it yet - this one was right from the get-go
Well, I'm on Energy CHT now and IT'S A DIFFERENT PHONE !
WOW.
Thanks guys. You saved my phone and my money !
Now install chainfires 3D driver patch v2 on it and leocpuspeed v4 you'll be shocked.
Wooo Hoo ! This phone is ON FIRE now
Now we're talking !!
Thanks man ! Any more tips ? hehe
What a coincidence. I'm also having lots of problems with my TMobile UK Rom, same freezing, etc.
I have seen quite a few Roms that I'd be interested, but most of them don't mention whether they will work with a locked T-Mobile handset, and if they do, it only refers to TMobile US version.
Will any Rom work on a T-Mobile UK locked handset, or would I also have to flash a new radio. I have 2.07.50 at the moment.
Like I said, I've seen quite a few Roms that I like, but just concerned in case I flash a Rom that's not compatible.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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Wooo Hoo ! This phone is ON FIRE now
Now we're talking !!
Thanks man ! Any more tips ? hehe
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if you have a wifi router in your house get wifi remote access. It allows you to transfer files to and from the phone using a web interface over the wifi. It also allows you to edit the registry "remotely". Really handy little tool that.
Also have a look at omarket. some handy tools can be got from there but be careful not everything is Leo compatible.
Coreplayer is handy if you wanna watch tv shows or movies. just set the video mode to raw frambuffer if the picture looks scrambled. This one isn't free but is definitely worth paying for coz tcpmp (it's free cousin) isn't as good. I also use srs WOWHD with this to improve the sound. look for 1.5 V2.
The only more i can say is use a PIM backup tool regularly. something like MS myphone or PIMBackup. Saves some time if you don't have an exchange server to store you contacts, mail etc
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What a coincidence. I'm also having lots of problems with my TMobile UK Rom, same freezing, etc.
I have seen quite a few Roms that I'd be interested, but most of them don't mention whether they will work with a locked T-Mobile handset, and if they do, it only refers to TMobile US version.
Will any Rom work on a T-Mobile UK locked handset, or would I also have to flash a new radio. I have 2.07.50 at the moment.
Like I said, I've seen quite a few Roms that I like, but just concerned in case I flash a Rom that's not compatible.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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My advice to you would be to stick to a rom that says it is tmous compatible. that way it will work on any leo but the phone will still be sim locked. so if you wanted to sim unlock it you would need to get an unlock code from TMOUK