Hey, i just got a text from rogers/fido saying that you must disable GPS because having it on will stop some 911 calls from going through, they said an we will be updated once HTc comes up with a solution (it also said they are working on it)
I have now typed up the text
From 4826
4826: Rogers/Fido service message:
URGENT 911 calls: Please disable GPS location on your HTC Dream device to ensure all 911 calls complete. HTC is urgently working on a software upgrade and we will provide details shortly so you can re-enable GPS.
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My question is:
Is this just an issue with Android 1.5 the Rogers officially distributes and thus has been corrected in 1.6/Cyanogen Rom.
Or is it some other issue that I ought to be more concerned about.
(I think its just the historic e911/1.5 issues but lack of details makes it hard to be absolutely sure)
im on the phone with rogers right now, and they are saying the upgrade to magic for free from dream is due to the 911 + 1.5 issue. nothing to do with no 2.1 upgrade for the htc dream.
EkostonS said:
im on the phone with rogers right now, and they are saying the upgrade to magic for free from dream is due to the 911 + 1.5 issue. nothing to do with no 2.1 upgrade for the htc dream.
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So this issue would not be addressed in any of cyanogen's roms?
Hmm... I wonder if I could just get them to take off the 911 charge per month for me, seeing as how I would never trade my dream for a magic.
its rogers 1.5 update thats causing the problems
so cyanogenmod's 1.6 will work fine, rogers just doesnt need to know this. or that you even rooted your phone.
I used to be on JF 1.5.1 and I always used to have this problem. I worked security so I was on the phone to 911 a lot and it would randomly do a reset of my phone when I was on the call. Couldn't talk to them for more then ~20 seconds.
No probs on the latest Cyanogen though.
linkage2424 said:
I used to be on JF 1.5.1 and I always used to have this problem. I worked security so I was on the phone to 911 a lot and it would randomly do a reset of my phone when I was on the call. Couldn't talk to them for more then ~20 seconds.
No probs on the latest Cyanogen though.
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Awsome, thanks guys! no issues=free magic for my girlfriend!
MAgic
I just received the same text but i have the magic . From what I have been reading all over the net it seems that it is the dream that has the issue. To me is sounds strange since I have an HTC magic. So in my opinon either the issue more serious or they are up to something.
ROBBERS is a bunch of retards. They say a whole lot of garbage that makes no sense and has no relevance in order to trick you into things that you don't need to do.
Right now, they are trying VERY HARD to trick people into believing that the HTC DREAM is inferior in order to get you to accept a MAGIC along with a CONTRACT EXTENSION. The reason for THIS is that they anticipate that the cell phone oligopoly is now in jeopardy. Wind mobile (already in operation in Toronto and Calgary, in days will be adding Ottawa, Edmonton, and Vancouver), Public mobile and DAVE mobile (starting soon) are SERIOUS threats to their current pricing structure, so they want to lock in as many customers as they can for AS LONG as they can, BEFORE people wise up to the fact that they don't have to keep paying those CRIMINALLY HIGH rates.
Wind mobile: $35 for unlimited in province, any time, in or out, free callerid, call forwarding, etc. $35 for unlimited data. Robbers: $45 for 400 minutes, local calling only. $80 for 5GB and insane overage rates, everything else extra, $0.35/min long distance.
I think it's actually a genuine (and quite serious) problem.
The latest info is that it happens intermittantly on Magic as well.. so its not a ploy to get you to upgrade lol
This: HowardForums post is someone who claims they told the carrier 3 months ago about the problem with a recording of the call.. if thats true that seems quite bad.
(Might also be a good idea to get this posted on thefront page in case any users havent seen it as it seems quite an important thing to know)
sambartle said:
I think it's actually a genuine (and quite serious) problem.
The latest info is that it happens intermittantly on Magic as well.. so its not a ploy to get you to upgrade lol
This: HowardForums post is someone who claims they told the carrier 3 months ago about the problem with a recording of the call.. if thats true that seems quite bad.
(Might also be a good idea to get this posted on thefront page in case any users havent seen it as it seems quite an important thing to know)
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It is definitely NOT a genuine problem.
Here is the proof (which you provided in your link): http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=pl...it;h=610419eae1d35b4da27b91de2dc98982d43c7deb
In other words, all they need to do is update, but they aren't going to do that because they want to LIE to people for the reasons I already mentioned. What this is actually called is FRAUD, and I would be VERY happy to see some class action litigation against them for it.
And just to give an idea about HOW TRIVIAL of an update this is, here is the actual patch against the android source:
Code:
--- a/services/java/com/android/server/LocationManagerService.java
+++ b/services/java/com/android/server/LocationManagerService.java
@@ -926,7 +926,9 @@ public class LocationManagerService extends ILocationManager.Stub
*/
void disposeLocked() {
ArrayList<UpdateRecord> records = mRecordsByProvider.get(this.mProvider);
- records.remove(this);
+ if (records != null) {
+ records.remove(this);
+ }
}
@Override
@@ -2222,15 +2224,17 @@ public class LocationManagerService extends ILocationManager.Stub
ArrayList<UpdateRecord> urs = mRecordsByProvider.get(name);
int num = 0;
- final int N = urs.size();
- for (int i=0; i<N; i++) {
- UpdateRecord ur = urs.get(i);
- if (ur.mReceiver == mProximityListener) {
- // We don't want the system to take the blame for this one.
- continue;
- }
- if (reportGpsUidLocked(curSeq, nextSeq, ur.mUid)) {
- num++;
+ if (urs != null) {
+ final int N = urs.size();
+ for (int i=0; i<N; i++) {
+ UpdateRecord ur = urs.get(i);
+ if (ur.mReceiver == mProximityListener) {
+ // We don't want the system to take the blame for this one.
+ continue;
+ }
+ if (reportGpsUidLocked(curSeq, nextSeq, ur.mUid)) {
+ num++;
+ }
}
}
And just look at the code... this patch is INCREDIBLY simple... it is literally just adding a couple of "if (something != null){...}" around the things that were previously causing NPE's.
Robbers seriously can't do THAT?
WHY?
Aforementioned reasons... FRAUD.
lbcoder said:
ROBBERS is a bunch of retards. They say a whole lot of garbage that makes no sense and has no relevance in order to trick you into things that you don't need to do.
Right now, they are trying VERY HARD to trick people into believing that the HTC DREAM is inferior in order to get you to accept a MAGIC along with a CONTRACT EXTENSION. The reason for THIS is that they anticipate that the cell phone oligopoly is now in jeopardy. Wind mobile (already in operation in Toronto and Calgary, in days will be adding Ottawa, Edmonton, and Vancouver), Public mobile and DAVE mobile (starting soon) are SERIOUS threats to their current pricing structure, so they want to lock in as many customers as they can for AS LONG as they can, BEFORE people wise up to the fact that they don't have to keep paying those CRIMINALLY HIGH rates.
Wind mobile: $35 for unlimited in province, any time, in or out, free callerid, call forwarding, etc. $35 for unlimited data. Robbers: $45 for 400 minutes, local calling only. $80 for 5GB and insane overage rates, everything else extra, $0.35/min long distance.
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Very Very true. But at the moment I dont think they have GSM phones (although I believe they are looking into it). This is the only reason i havent left and telus/Bell suck so
daeshawn said:
Very Very true. But at the moment I dont think they have GSM phones (although I believe they are looking into it). This is the only reason i havent left and telus/Bell suck so
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Of course they are GSM. What else would they be? CDMA? And they give simcards out for FREE when you sign up if your phone supports the right frequencies (1700 and 2100 MHz).
What they don't have and will NEVER have is EDGE -- HSPA only. There's no reason to pay big money to build a new-but-obsolete network!
sambartle said:
I think it's actually a genuine (and quite serious) problem.
The latest info is that it happens intermittantly on Magic as well.. so its not a ploy to get you to upgrade lol
This: HowardForums post is someone who claims they told the carrier 3 months ago about the problem with a recording of the call.. if thats true that seems quite bad.
(Might also be a good idea to get this posted on thefront page in case any users havent seen it as it seems quite an important thing to know)
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Yea...I called them in September about it. Dumbasses.
lbcoder said:
It is definitely NOT a genuine problem.
Here is the proof (which you provided in your link): http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=pl...it;h=610419eae1d35b4da27b91de2dc98982d43c7deb
In other words, all they need to do is update, but they aren't going to do that because they want to LIE to people for the reasons I already mentioned. What this is actually called is FRAUD, and I would be VERY happy to see some class action litigation against them for it.
And just to give an idea about HOW TRIVIAL of an update this is, here is the actual patch against the android source:
Code:
--- a/services/java/com/android/server/LocationManagerService.java
+++ b/services/java/com/android/server/LocationManagerService.java
@@ -926,7 +926,9 @@ public class LocationManagerService extends ILocationManager.Stub
*/
void disposeLocked() {
ArrayList<UpdateRecord> records = mRecordsByProvider.get(this.mProvider);
- records.remove(this);
+ if (records != null) {
+ records.remove(this);
+ }
}
@Override
@@ -2222,15 +2224,17 @@ public class LocationManagerService extends ILocationManager.Stub
ArrayList<UpdateRecord> urs = mRecordsByProvider.get(name);
int num = 0;
- final int N = urs.size();
- for (int i=0; i<N; i++) {
- UpdateRecord ur = urs.get(i);
- if (ur.mReceiver == mProximityListener) {
- // We don't want the system to take the blame for this one.
- continue;
- }
- if (reportGpsUidLocked(curSeq, nextSeq, ur.mUid)) {
- num++;
+ if (urs != null) {
+ final int N = urs.size();
+ for (int i=0; i<N; i++) {
+ UpdateRecord ur = urs.get(i);
+ if (ur.mReceiver == mProximityListener) {
+ // We don't want the system to take the blame for this one.
+ continue;
+ }
+ if (reportGpsUidLocked(curSeq, nextSeq, ur.mUid)) {
+ num++;
+ }
}
}
And just look at the code... this patch is INCREDIBLY simple... it is literally just adding a couple of "if (something != null){...}" around the things that were previously causing NPE's.
Robbers seriously can't do THAT?
WHY?
Aforementioned reasons... FRAUD.
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It may be a simple fix, but it is definitely a genuine problem. Right now, no non-rooted Dream/Magic on Rogers can call 911 if GPS is enabled.
canadiancow said:
It may be a simple fix, but it is definitely a genuine problem. Right now, no non-rooted Dream/Magic on Rogers can call 911 if GPS is enabled.
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Geeze, look. It is NOT A REAL PROBLEM, because they CAN fix it with hardly ANY effort, but they CHOOSE NOT TO.
Because the problem is software, *every single affected device* can be patched through an automatic update, but they're not doing that. In this case, it is about as HONEST as intentionally creating a defect and loading that onto people's phones.
It is real simple. This was a real problem when it initially was discovered, up until the point where anyone responsible for supporting the hardware had REASONABLE TIME to provide the corrections. It is now WAY beyond that point, which means that it is NOT a real problem any more (regardless of the fact that it may still affect you), it is a CREATED problem -- based on the fact that they have CHOSEN to pretend that the hardware itself is to blame for it in order to support their nefarious purposes rather than providing the necessary fix for it, which they should have done a LONG TIME AGO.
daeshawn said:
I just received the same text but i have the magic . From what I have been reading all over the net it seems that it is the dream that has the issue. To me is sounds strange since I have an HTC magic. So in my opinon either the issue more serious or they are up to something.
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Both the Rogers HTC Dream and Magic on stock rom are affected by this. If you've rooted your phone and have a custom rom with 1.6 or higher though you have nothing to worry about.
lbcoder said:
Geeze, look. It is NOT A REAL PROBLEM, because they CAN fix it with hardly ANY effort, but they CHOOSE NOT TO.
Because the problem is software, *every single affected device* can be patched through an automatic update, but they're not doing that. In this case, it is about as HONEST as intentionally creating a defect and loading that onto people's phones.
It is real simple. This was a real problem when it initially was discovered, up until the point where anyone responsible for supporting the hardware had REASONABLE TIME to provide the corrections. It is now WAY beyond that point, which means that it is NOT a real problem any more (regardless of the fact that it may still affect you), it is a CREATED problem -- based on the fact that they have CHOSEN to pretend that the hardware itself is to blame for it in order to support their nefarious purposes rather than providing the necessary fix for it, which they should have done a LONG TIME AGO.
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this type of ignorance is comical when read by someone who knows exactly what is going on
all I'll say is that when the update to fix this is made available, it will be to your benefit to update your 1.5 Dreams and Magics.
hey guys update: They are now offering a software update for the dream at rogers.com\dreamsoftwareupdate
I would take it that because i am running cyanogenMOD i dont need to do anything.
Question to those who run CM:
Is your data still available then? They disabled all data to our devices. I don't use data because I'm cheap anyways, but I was just wondering...
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i'm trying to put the usd/eur rates on stocks display, but i don't get it. i'm not such stocks expert, therefore i need your help. i tried forumsearch already. thanks.
quote is EURUSD=X
molred said:
quote is EURUSD=X
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Is that the general format? So for aussie currency it would be AUDUSD=X,
etc?
What about commodity prices, do you know the format? For example, how do I get Gold, and copper prices?
Probably XAU for Gold and CU for copper (that's what's used on the reuters system anyway)
It is XAUUSD=X for gold (spot/physical)
cool. thanks.
A bit off topic of this thread.. but I want to know what is the normal delay in using this stock tab? I'm trying to get like dowjones.. hang seng index etc.
And is there anyway to have it update all stock quotes rather than just the one active?
Hang on, I'll time it...... ;-)
Hmm...it's not that good really - it's odd in fact, you have to keep asking it to update, but I was getting prices varying (randomly) between 7903 and 7958....when it was actually trading 7961. Wouldn't bet the ranch using this for quotes ;-) ...I guess it's 'good enough' - if you want something 'real' you're better off using a proper service though (sorry, should've said - that was only for the Dow Jones Index)
It does (at least seem to) update ALL the stock quotes - so long as you are looking at the front (TF3D) page and press the update option from that screen
blackb1ade said:
Hang on, I'll time it...... ;-)
Hmm...it's not that good really - it's odd in fact, you have to keep asking it to update, but I was getting prices varying (randomly) between 7903 and 7958....when it was actually trading 7961. Wouldn't bet the ranch using this for quotes ;-) ...I guess it's 'good enough' - if you want something 'real' you're better off using a proper service though (sorry, should've said - that was only for the Dow Jones Index)
It does (at least seem to) update ALL the stock quotes - so long as you are looking at the front (TF3D) page and press the update option from that screen
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Actually there is an auto update option somewhere, I found it today and it gives you a warning about data costs when roaming
Has any aussie users tried tracking Aussie Shares yet?
eaglesteve said:
Has any aussie users tried tracking Aussie Shares yet?
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Yeah it works, no problems.
Guys,
I've had a brain failure.......
Forgot how to add new stocks&shares to the tab.
How do we add items..... i.e. the UK to Yen share prices?
If I remember it involved going to a web site and copying the data across to the Blackstone but it's the procedure I have forgotten.
Edit: Don't worry...... I worked it out.
Glad you sussed it out (it's just a case of hitting the '+' button at the top right?)
This did confuse me though
i.e. the UK to Yen share prices?
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Did you mean a currency pair price? (IE: GBP/JPY?)
If so did you manage to figure that out as well?
blackb1ade said:
Glad you sussed it out (it's just a case of hitting the '+' button at the top right?)
This did confuse me though
Did you mean a currency pair price? (IE: GBP/JPY?)
If so did you manage to figure that out as well?
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Yes it was the currency pairing thanks....
I knew it was GBP to JPY.
Where I was going wrong was I forgot the '/'
how bout crude oil? anyone know the symbol? thanks
There are a few we use - main ones are WTI Cushing and Brent Crude though - unsure as to what the codes would be for this feed but will have a look at my [Reuters] marketsheet on monday and try to figure it out from there, if no-ones got it inbetween time.
rock4mayo said:
how bout crude oil? anyone know the symbol? thanks
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Have you tried PCX: OIL
You can get the MAR09 delivery NYMEX contract (front one at the moment) via:
CLH09.NYM
If that's any use to you
(the 'H' on futures exchanges refers to Mar [IMM date] contract, in this case 09=2009 - you can change it to get the different contracts - there are typically 4 in a year [quarterly] Mar = H June = M Sep = U and Dec = Z -there are shorter, front end [serial dated] contracts in many markets but wont bore you with that - suffice to say, even though they are closer maturities to spot date, they are usually not as liquid, therefore not as accurate for watching market moves)
This is useful. Would anyone know of a location of a table to find other quote symbols. In particular, I'd like the to get LIBOR rates (Overnight and 3 month)
PilotRMK said:
This is useful. Would anyone know of a location of a table to find other quote symbols. In particular, I'd like the to get LIBOR rates (Overnight and 3 month)
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Try http://finance.yahoo.com/currency-c...P&to=USD&submit=Convert#from=GBP;to=USD;amt=1
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Million Thanks , got it now .
JPY = Japan Yen
GBP = Great Britain Pound
USD = US Dollar
SGD = Singapore Dollar
AUD = Australia Dollar
MYR = Malaysia Ringgit
Anyone wanna correct me or add in ?
I was considering getting the HD2 on T-Mobile and i was hoping you guys could answer a question, just how much have T-Mobile customised/branded (or plain messed up) the software on this handset?
I don't really fancy slapping another ROM onto it straight away and losing my warranty, I'm going with T-Mobile primarily out of cost.
Thanks,
Sherbet66
i know some who has the tmob version ! i didnt notice anythin different, apart from the youtube restriction!
which you can remove by calling customer services
in other words ther is no customisation /rebranding !
great stuff, thanks.
Im afraid that isn't quite right. T Mobile have removed the you tube app and also the jetcet printer app and the Co-pilot trial.
If you add the you tube app back in via a cab available on this site it affects the video playback on the phone.
I managed to flash 1.48 via the goldcard method and so got the above apps back. I dont think it will invalidate the warranty but Im not 100% sure
deeky1 said:
Im afraid that isn't quite right. T Mobile have removed the you tube app and also the jetcet printer app and the Co-pilot trial.
If you add the you tube app back in via a cab available on this site it affects the video playback on the phone.
I managed to flash 1.48 via the goldcard method and so got the above apps back. I dont think it will invalidate the warranty but Im not 100% sure
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It does invalidate the warranty I'm afraid. You just need to track down a version of the original T-Mobile ROM and reflash if you ever need support. Also, bear in mind that they can do some wizardry at their end which basically puts the system into debug mode, and they can check your ROM version while you're talking to them. It happened to me when I was with Orange and they were almost laughing when they asked me to read out the ROM version. It was Miri WM6.5 etc..
It does invalidate the warranty I'm afraid. You just need to track down a version of the original T-Mobile ROM and reflash if you ever need support. Also, bear in mind that they can do some wizardry at their end which basically puts the system into debug mode, and they can check your ROM version while you're talking to them. It happened to me when I was with Orange and they were almost laughing when they asked me to read out the ROM version. It was Miri WM6.5 etc..
LOL! So I've had my phone 2 weeks and I've invalidated the warranty already?
I read on another thread that you were unlikely to void your warranty by replacing the ROM bearing in mind its an HTC ROM and not a homemade/cooked one
To be honest the things they have omitted are actually things i could live without, with the exception of the youtube app which is a bit of a pain. Certainly not enough of an issue to potentially void any warranty by installing a cooked ROM though.
Thanks guys,
Sherbet66
I wish they wouldn't do crap like that!
It's like buying a car from a dealership, and the dealership deciding that you only need 3 wheels and a great big sticker on the bonnent advertising themselves...
Look at it this way though, if your in a forum like this your obviously here because your prepared to fix your own phone issues where possible so if it's software you can properly get it fixed by the resources available (not got my hd2 yet but already got the camera fix downloaded, and have a few other bits in mind) or that will be available in future if you don't mind waiting.
If it's a software issue you can't get fixed on here then you probably will still be able to reflash to tmobile before calling tmobile.
If it's a hardware issue then it shouldn't matter what rom you use, and USUALLY as long as it's clearly a hardware issue (I dunno purely say for example a button falls off) then they should still honor it.
deeky1 said:
LOL! So I've had my phone 2 weeks and I've invalidated the warranty already?
I read on another thread that you were unlikely to void your warranty by replacing the ROM bearing in mind its an HTC ROM and not a homemade/cooked one
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If you've got (for example) a T-Mobile phone and you flash a non T-Mobile ROM onto it, then yeah, they won't support it any more, which I kind of get. The idea is that they eventually release the same ROM themselves, with their changes to it (removing this, that and the other and putting a "really lovely" splash screen on it.) When they release that, you can flash that one and they'll still support it.
Basically, if you do anything that they themselves have not recommended, don't expect any help ever again. (You may get it, but don't expect it.)
I've not had a HTC with T-mobile, but do they keep the rom releases coming or do they get one 'they' are happy with and stop releasing new ones? I had to debrand my old n95 (oh my old friend why did that puddle have to claim your life) because of that. They never gave me any grief about the warrenty issues though because of it.
I hate to say it but i strongly suspect that flashing the phone invalidates not only the warranty but also invalidate any insurance i might get too. Don't get me wrong, i am all for flashing phones (and have done so countless times, my current handset was unlocked and flashed 32 minutes after the Courier handed it to me, surely a record) however its the sheer cost of replacing the HD2 which makes me nervous. If T Mobile produced a half decent ROM without buggering it up i'd be happy to run with that knowing i've got some fall back if things go wrong. Maybe I'm getting too old for this game ...
Thanks again.
Sherbet66
Well really your insurance is for accidental damage and I can't see a rom affecting that. If your phone gets run over by a truck the rom won't have made it more or less likely to happen. If it gets stolen I'm fairly sure the thief won't have checked to see if it was running an official rom or not before stealing it. Besides if it gets destroyed or stolen how will they know what rom version it was running
Look I'm not saying there is no risk at all, or that you definately will or won't get warrenty cover if you flash, IT IS a risk but imho it's a very small risk that you'll be completely caught out.
guys, i beg to differ i am queit sure (deffinite actually) my mate has co pilot trial and you tube installed as standard. not sure about the printer bit!
this i am sure of ! and he got from t-mobile with a staff discount
unless his escaped the rebranding, this cannot be!
apoc286 said:
Well really your insurance is for accidental damage and I can't see a rom affecting that. If your phone gets run over by a truck the rom won't have made it more or less likely to happen.
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Whether or not flashing the rom makes it more or less likely that it got run over is irrelevant - any terms put in insurance contracts are strict and under UK law, insurance is a contract of utmost good faith. If they ask you "did you ever pick your nose as a kid" and they find out you lied when you said no, well then they can refuse to pay out on the cover. Doesn't matter that the question or issue is 100% irrelevant to what happened. (EDIT: maybe too extreme an example - I think they have to be able to say a different answer would have affected the premium. The back example below is better )
The best example is with critical illness and life insurance policies. If you said no, I've never had back problems and then they find out you had problem as a 12 year old due to growing pains, they can refuse to pay out when you're diagnosed with breast cancer... (sorry for slightly off topic rant, but insurance companies are bad )
On topic - I got my HD2 this week on T Mobile, but via an internet company rather than direct from them. It doesn't seem to be altered to be t mobile in any way, and seems to be functioning mostly fine. I got a text message from t mobile saying: "To make the most of all the great T-Mobile services on your phone you'll need the correct settings. Simply reply to this text for free and we'll send them to you."
I've ignored this, as I was worried it may end up installing nasty t mobile firmware or something. It usually connects to the internet etc.. fine. The only issue I've got is that sometimes the weather doesn't update and it sometimes seems to lose the data connection. Should I reply to t mobile's message?
I have just got off the phone with a very nice gentlemen from HTC customer services.
He informed me that Vodafone are at current flatly refusing to support the HTC HD2 handset. They have NO plans to release a firmware update for the HD2.
He has had this confirmed by his management team as he gets a number of calls on a daily basis regarding the issue.
I opened a thread on the Vodafone forums informing their customers and am doing the same here on XDA: http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=49175
Feel free to comment in either thread.
*edit* update for those that would like to help: contact [email protected] with the subject line "Vodafone UK and the HTC HD2" explaining your own frustrations.
link to my open letter: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5429219&postcount=41
LATEST UPDATE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5472361&postcount=75
Wow, that sucks. Is this because of the iphone launch?
Apple is meddling in isn't it?
Fooking unts..!!! so VF have just been giving us BS all this time.!!!! i can promise that if this is true i will NEVER go with Vodafone agian..!!!
That's pretty shocking really. I wonder if this constitutes some sort of breach of contract that you could use to get out of your contract without having to pay it out? If not then it should.
It was almost certain from the start.
What is a big deal anyway? Just get a goldcard/SSPL/HSPL and flash any ROM you want.
aszu said:
It was almost certain from the start.
What is a big deal anyway? Just get a goldcard/SSPL/HSPL and flash any ROM you want.
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cus it breaks the warranty
lorin.bute said:
Wow, that sucks. Is this because of the iphone launch?
Apple is meddling in isn't it?
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Indeed, apparently they said VF had to drop the HD2 to get the iPhone...
aszu said:
It was almost certain from the start.
What is a big deal anyway? Just get a goldcard/SSPL/HSPL and flash any ROM you want.
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The issue lies with warranty and insurance! Quite a large issue if you are a Vodafone customer.
It shouldnt matter whether or not they are actually stocking the device any longer. After having the HD2 on their books for only two months and it being a new device to market, they must continue to support any firmware updates/fixes for the duration of the contracts of all their customers that have an HD2. This is surely a given?!
If they supply you with hardware that is necessary to use the services they also provide to you then it must be legally binding that they support any fixes (ie firmware updates) for the hardware supplied to ensure that it functions as the manufacturer intended.
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cus it breaks the warranty
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How? You can always revert to the 'original version' and if device is so badly broken that you can't revert, HTC staff wouldn't be able to check ROM version as well.
Besides, if there is some clear hardware problem with your device (like broken button or speaker, screen not responding etc) I don't think HTC service is going to complain about ROM version, this would be just idiotic.. Has anyone any experience with HTC service and non-official ROMS? Frankly I don't think HTC cares, software modding is the whole point of getting HTC device in the first place for many, many people. I am also sure they are aware that many operators provide atrocious support for new ROMs and customers don't have any options.
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The issue lies with warranty and insurance! Quite a large issue if you are a Vodafone customer.
It shouldnt matter whether or not they are actually stocking the device any longer. After having the HD2 on their books for only two months and it being a new device to market, they must continue to support any firmware updates/fixes for the duration of the contracts of all their customers that have an HD2. This is surely a given?!
If they supply you with hardware that is necessary to use the services they also provide to you then it must be legally binding that they support any fixes (ie firmware updates) for the hardware supplied to ensure that it functions as the manufacturer intended.
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Thats sounds like it should be, can we get out of our contracts though???
i dont want them to offer a **** iphone 3gs, thats for sure! 4G maybe, but thats not out till may/june..
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How? You can always revert to the 'original version' and if device is so badly broken that you can't revert, HTC staff wouldn't be able to check ROM version as well.
Besides, if there is some clear hardware problem with your device (like broken button or speaker, screen not responding etc) I don't think HTC service is going to complain about ROM version, this would be just idiotic.. Has anyone any experience with HTC service and non-official ROMS? Frankly I don't think HTC cares, software modding is the whole point of getting HTC device in the first place for many, many people. I am also sure they are aware that many operators provide atrocious support for new ROMs..
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Speak to Vofdafone..!
Why don't all the vodafone customers make a letter of protest and send it to them? I know it won't do much (because i'm sure apple is paying vodafone), but you can try.
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Why don't all the vodafone customers make a letter of protest and send it to them? I know it won't do much (because i'm sure apple is paying vodafone), but you can try.
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Actually there could be enough of us to get on BBC watchdog..!!
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Speak to Vofdafone..!
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Vodafone has nothing do to with this, it is HTC who services/fixes these devices. Vodafone may say many things, but ultimately phone goes to HTC service for repair and this whole 'custom ROM voids warranty' babbling is completely up to them.
Again - it would be just idiotic if HTC refused to fix obvious hardware problem because of 'custom ROM'.
It is like getting PC from DELL with Win XP preinstalled, then installing Linux on it and when i.e motherboard of disk fails, claiming warranty from Dell - nothing wrong with it.
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Vodafone has nothing do to with this, it is HTC who services/fixes these devices. Vodafone may say many things, but ultimately phone goes to HTC service for repair and this whole 'custom ROM voids warranty' babbling is completely up to them.
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really, who told you that???
Heres the watchdog link. at the very least, even the threat of going to watchdog should get things moving..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/
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Vodafone has nothing do to with this, it is HTC who services/fixes these devices. Vodafone may say many things, but ultimately phone goes to HTC service for repair
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This is true... the phone WILL go to HTC for repair. But that is not the issue. It is an entirely seperate issue that is somehow intertwined. Its all a bit of a mess really.
As a Vodafone customer for more then ten years from both consumer and business side i have never seen such a debacle.
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Vodafone has nothing do to with this, it is HTC who services/fixes these devices. Vodafone may say many things, but ultimately phone goes to HTC service for repair and this whole 'custom ROM voids warranty' babbling is completely up to them.
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When you take out a contract with Vodafone they supply you with a phone that has a vodafone ROM on it. That's basically a stock ROM with some changes, either cosmetic, programmatic, or both. They are then perfectly within their rights to tell you that you will void the warrantly if you modify that ROM or replace it with someone else's. It's like getting a car under warranty and expecting to get it fixed for free, even though you've put a new engine in it.
It has NOTHING to do with HTC. This is part of your agreement with Vodafone.
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When you take out a contract with Vodafone they supply you with a phone that has a vodafone ROM on it. That's basically a stock ROM with some changes, either cosmetic, programmatic, or both. They are then perfectly within their rights to tell you that you will void the warrantly if you modify that ROM or replace it with someone else's. It's like getting a car under warranty and expecting to get it fixed for free, even though you've put a new engine in it.
It has NOTHING to do with HTC. This is part of your agreement with Vodafone.
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Correct, one size does not fit all. All opperators customise the ROM to suit their needs. Installing a generic ROM from HTC on Vodafone or any other operator for that matter would not only void the warranty but would cause all manner of problems for the support department of each operator. Can you imagine how many customers would brick their device trying to upgrade? Even the most simple of instructions are not often followed correctly.
The Vodafone forum moderators now review all my posts before they display them!! All cus i posted a watchdog link!!
I thought folks would find this interesting, to say the least.
There has been a lot of rumor and theorizing about the infamous "Yellow Reset Button" believed by some to signify a new run of phones, supposedly marking the phones as after the first 50k production units. This may be entirely true, partially true, or a complete fabrication, elevated to the status of urban legend, right up there with "It is illegal to kill a Praying Mantis, and you will get a $50 fine if you do, LOL! (You won't trust me on THAT at least.)
So it was with some excitement that I received a "Yellow Button Special" as my 4th warranty refurb. Let's just say that it did not quite life up to the hype, and was the absolute worst as far as lock ups, and I had 3 previous ones to compare it with. Part of the reason I put this in the Energy Forum was a Tweet that our esteemed chef put out about 5-6 weeks ago, saying that he had a yellow reset button model and was experiencing nolockups. That's quite a claim to make for ANY Windows Mobile handset, but I do not doubt his observation. I do believe it was probably early in the testing of said phone, and that he could not have kept such a sparkling record going indefinitely.
So, by way of a long story, I come to the blasted point, LOL! Anyone who haunts this forum knows my posts tend to be... let's say verbose! Nevertheless, attached are two pictures of the Part Number for two phones, both refurbs, and both from T-Mobile Warranty Support. Called and pleased my case, whereupon T-Mobile agreed to send me handset #5 - yep. This is my fifth T-Mobile HTC HD2 Phone.
And? Its GREAT! It works better than any other one I have had, in particular the Bluetooth A2DP works to my stereo headset without cutting out. I have had no lockups in over a full weeks use, with multiple ROMs flashed to it. Display is perfect, sensitive (I know thats driver, not hardware related, but just sayin. I have put it through a pretty vigorous set of daily use testing, and it has been beautiful.
Now for the clincher, and it's nothing to do with a "Yellow Reset Button". If you must know it DOES have a yellow button, BUT: It also has a different part number
Check the attached pics, which I covered my IMEI and my S/N (paranoia, no other reason, he he)
I have checked Serial/IMEI and Part Numbers on each refurb they sent, and all have had the exact same part number. Until now, that is:
The old one reads: xxxxx001-00 B
The new one reads:xxxxx001-01 XB
What does this mean? As an expert witness for the prosecution I will TELL YOU! The answer is: I haven't a clue what it means, or if it means ANYTHING. I do know that it is significant, and to me, a different Part Number means a revision. What revision, and even if its a GOOD revision remains open to speculation. I prefer to think I have "One of the new, GOOD ones", LOL. But seriously I don't know. It would be interesting if anyone cares to track these and see what we can learn, if if anyone on the forum actually KNOWS what the bumped up part # signifies. Anyone have any info?
For me, i think the rumour that they changed the button to yellow because america expects small red dots to be water indicators holds more of a ring of truth than a build version marker. I just think it coincided with a second surge in production.
hmm...interesting...are you referring only to TMOUS version or European one as well. My HD2 for instance is European and P/N reads 02-00 C
Since november Ive only ever had one entirely solid and dependable HD2, it has a p/n ending in 039-00.
im quite curious to see how these numbers reflect on the time/location of production....
What are folks doing to their HD2 to have multiple ones?
I have the TMO launch HD2 and its fine. I have updated the unit to the TMO US firmware and its fine. The only problem I had, which is annoying and I wish someone could help me fix this, is that with Facebook V1.2, it doesnt retain my credentials. regardless if I click save. I am investigating, but if someone knows how to fix this, please advise.
Otherwise, the unit is fine.
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I have the TMO launch HD2 and its fine. I have updated the unit to the TMO US firmware and its fine. The only problem I had, which is annoying and I wish someone could help me fix this, is that with Facebook V1.2, it doesnt retain my credentials. regardless if I click save. I am investigating, but if someone knows how to fix this, please advise.
Otherwise, the unit is fine.
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There is a sloution...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6524948#post6524948
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hmm...interesting...are you referring only to TMOUS version or European one as well. My HD2 for instance is European and P/N reads 02-00 C
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The old one reads: xxxxx001-00 B
The new one reads:xxxxx001-01 XB
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My HD2 purchased in 10/2009 reads 99HJY005-00 XB
theres been complaints of the amount of static that the hd2 produces during calls. forum member, zach.antre, tested different radio roms to see which ones were static free. in all of his tests, all of the radio roms produced background static. therefore, he and i conclude that static is present in all htc hd2s. heres the link showing results of his tests:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067311&page=4
static has been a known and reported issue on all hd2s. if anyone would like to suggest a fix for the static, your responses will benefit all hd2 owners. thanks.
To fix the static go into menu all settings personal buttons and up/down
Then move the sliders halfway and this should significantly fix your static problem. I am on radio 2.12 and following this method have no static.
it isnt all, how many times does this have to be said?
xlr8me said:
To fix the static go into menu all settings personal buttons and up/down
Then move the sliders halfway and this should significantly fix your static problem. I am on radio 2.12 and following this method have no static.
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hi, xlr8me.. i dont understand the way you use to reduce or "eliminate" static. i tried this on my hd2 and the static is always there. so, this doesnt work at all.
If you use the volume keys up and down you can hear the distortion as you go up and down. The key is to limit it in the volume screen ie listen for it and reduce it via my method. Actually, try various positions in the button settings screen and then test it. I can't understand though why you insist its on all hd2. Mine does not exhibit any static during calls.
not sure what OP is talking about. I never get static.
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Oh boy here we go, this thread is about to become ignorant. I hope a mod is reading this thread as I am sure it is not long from being shut down now.
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One is....
There's no need for any arguing about this.
I do not expect to see anymore accusations of trolling, just opinions and possible fixes for anyone who might be suffering from the static issue.
One warning, that's it.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.......
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xlr8me, you seem to contradict yourself. on the one hand, you said you can "hear the distortion" going up and down the volume keys. and you suggest reducing static through your method. but on the other hand, you say that you dont have static.. so which is it? i dont get you.
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What I am saying is that the static maybe linked with the distortion in the volume icon screen though I can't say 4 sure 100% but I did notice the static on older radios. Try the 2.12radio. I can 100% confirm no static when having conversation with other people on phone.
Perhaps, OP your speaker above front screen has failed and hence why you and some others are getting static/distortion. Seems to me to be a reasonable hypothesis. Try replacing it.
Good luck..
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hi richy. i know your phone more than you do since i've tested 6 hd2s in diff areas of the nation and i own 2 of them.
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No one knows my phone more than I do, and I can tell you I have NO static on mine.
There may be a common issue with some HD2 having static, fair enough, but there is NO need to force it on everyone and argue with them, insiting they have static when they obviously don't.
This thread will remian open for now, since I have removed all the stupid arguing, but if you can't discuss it in a civilised manner, then it will be closed.
why was my post deleted?
Richy99 said:
why was my post deleted?
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As I stated above, I have cleaned the thread of all argumentative behaviour.
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As I stated above, I have cleaned the thread of all argumentative behaviour.
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not in mine there wasnt
koolxx i never get static on my phone...and most of the tmous hd2 users are complaining abt static
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koolxx i never get static on my phone...and most of the tmous hd2 users are complaining abt static
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hi, sidd... well, you might have static but may not know it for reasons i've already outlined on this and an another thread. i know your in india so i cant say for sure if your asian hd2 phone has static. but i can only speak for tnous phones and i can conclude with sufficient proof that they must all got static.
first, lets define "static". to me, static is random pops and crackles that stand out from the rest of the audio.
now, lets define "noise". noise is very very low volume and might have some pattern if it is caused by electrical interference. to me, there are two kinds of "noise" when it comes to phones:
1. noise due to digital compression...voice calls are digitally encoded and undergo some loss and "aliasing" in the process. you can notice this when the other person is speaking and you are listening. listen to the silence. then listen to the audio as the other person BEGINS to speak. the other person's audio often starts and ends with a faint but distinct "hiss".
2. noise due to the rest of the phone's electronics. this effect is very very similar to what you can hear in headphones when you connect headphones to your desktop/laptop...turn the volume up, transfer something to/from USB, and you will hear all kinds of "hollywood computer sounds" having a distinct pattern that changes randomly. i can hear this kind of noise in the background of the HD2 when on a phone call.
the above is a description of my experience. other than the noise, i hear NO static. i will also add that both of the above noises during phone calls are very very very very faint in my experience with the HD2
the reason i am making the distinction between noise and static is because i think the forum members are getting confused about their experience with their phones and what you state as "static" in your experiences. are you talking about noise as i have described it or rather about loud pops and crackles (what i describe as static)? this should get everyone on the same page to better discuss the topic.
finally, "correlation does not imply cause and effect". you have statistical evidence, yes. but is it representative of the entire world wide "population" of HD2s? later on, you say you are not certain about the "asia" model while you insist it is a problem with the TMOUS version.
note that there is no such hardware as the "asia" model. there is the TMOUS model and the "international" model. i use the international model and have NO complaints. 2 other friends, an uncle, and a cousin also use international model HD2s and they also have no complaints of in call static.
i think it is a bit of leap to generalize from SIX TMOUS HD2s. a bit like saying that all dry cleaners in the world are korean because the 6-7 in your neighborhood or state are korean. catch my drift?
PS: i don't mean to sound racist with the above example at all! i myself live in a country whose citizens are inaccurately stereotyped the world over.
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first, lets define "static". to me, static is random pops and crackles that stand out from the rest of the audio.
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yes, thats the correct definition of static.
the above is a description of my experience. other than the noise, i hear NO static. i will also add that both of the above noises during phone calls are very very very very faint in my experience with the HD2.
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your other description of "noise" (whatever that means), is too complex and confusing. lets keep things very simple. you DO have static on your tmous. again, the pops and crackles on the hd2 during calls is evident. and as i've said countless times, i pointed out to 2 people the static they at first didnt detect and denied. after i detected it for them, they were surprised as hell about it. and mind you, one of them owns the phone for close to a year. and for a year, he didnt know he had static.
the reason i am making the distinction between noise and static is because i think the forum members are getting confused about their experience with their phones and what you state as "static" in your experiences.
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the forum members arent confused. but your inclusion of "noise" apart from static is confusing. and this can lead confusion in the forum. again, lets keep things simple.
f"correlation does not imply cause and effect". you have statistical evidence, yes. but is it representative of the entire world wide "population" of HD2s? later on, you say you are not certain about the "asia" model while you insist it is a problem with the TMOUS version.
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it does imply and prove effect. when you take a sample of 6 with dozens of other complaints, statisitically, the confidence level of that correlation approaches 100%. this is a statisitcal inference that EVERY statician knows about like the back of his hand. i'm very surprised that you dont know this.
when i say "all hd2s", i dont mean international, only tmous at the very least. i say 'at the least' becuz i havent tested international hd2s. but it is very possible that even on international phones, people do suffer from it and dont know it. i've read complaints of static from those with international hd2s.
i use the international model and have NO complaints. 2 other friends, an uncle, and a cousin also use international model HD2s and they also have no complaints of in call static.
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again, its possible you dont.. but i cant make the claim that you got static since youre on an international hd2. but again, you may not realize it and still possess it, like countless people who are in denial or dont consciously detect it for various reasons.
i think it is a bit of leap to generalize from SIX TMOUS HD2s. a bit like saying that all dry cleaners in the world are korean because the 6-7 in your neighborhood or state are korean. catch my drift?
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no, i dont catch your drift at all.. 1st, youre making an assumtion without taking real samples from the whole. 2nd, in your world, the 6 smples are not taken at random, and especially, not from other areas, only from one neighborhood.
in my assessment, i sampled 6 hd2s.. and from different areas.. add to this, the dozens upon dozens of other "samples" (complaints from others), and the detection and ultimate convinced friends of mine whose hd2s they swore they never had. in a normal sampling model, 15 - 30 samples are taken. but in this case, over 100 samples have been reported. statistically speaking, youre near the 100% confidence level that most, if not, the whole is defective.
and, why are you defending the tmous when you never owned one? that to me is insulting in our assessment.
I never hear any pops, crackles or any other type of distortion on my HD2 when calling.
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yes, thats the correct definition of static.
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ok...
your other description of "noise" (whatever that means), is too complex and confusing. lets keep things very simple. you DO have static on your tmous. again, the pops and crackles on the hd2 during calls is evident. and as i've said countless times, i pointed out to 2 people the static they at first didnt detect and denied. after i detected it for them, they were surprised as hell about it. and mind you, one of them owns the phone for close to a year. and for a year, he didnt know he had static.
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aah but it IS relevant. the devil is in the details, complex is good some times! it demonstrates that i have paid attention to the call quality so much so that i can hear the faint noise patterns...but NO static! your friends could be naive as you say, but i am an avid music listener and the slightest pops and crackles really do annoy me...but its just not there for my international HD2.
the forum members arent confused. but your inclusion of "noise" apart from static is confusing. and this can lead confusion in the forum. again, lets keep things simple.
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see below why it is relevant. to summarize, not all forum members are english speakers and it is a commonly known fact that people come to this forum to report problems and get help. the other thousands of users who have no problems aren't represented by such "data".
it does imply and prove effect. when you take a sample of 6 with dozens of other complaints, statisitically, the confidence level of that correlation approaches 100%. this is a statisitcal inference that EVERY statician knows about like the back of his hand. i'm very surprised that you dont know this.
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i do know this. but did you try any HD2 from outside your country? like say, one from south america, another from europe, still another from australia? finally, the dozens of other complaints that you are relying on to make your generalization might very well have been talking about the noise i have mentioned as opposed to the static that you describe. there is doubt in those reports because you haven't heard their phone calls first hand, so only your own "6" HD2s are statistically relevant. moreover, not all forum members are english speakers and so the exact definition of static may very well vary. i'm very surprised that you dont realize this.
when i say "all hd2s", i dont mean international, only tmous at the very least. i say 'at the least' becuz i havent tested international hd2s. but it is very possible that even on international phones, people do suffer from it and dont know it. i've read complaints of static from those with international hd2s.
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fair enough, then please change the title of the thread to reflect the part that you are sure about, i.e. "The static in TMOUS HD2 is real", or some such. otherwise, the existing title is an exaggeration by your own admission that you are only certain about the TMOUS version. as for the complaints you have read of other forum members, i've already commented on that.
again, its possible you dont.. but i cant make the claim that you got static since youre on an international hd2. but again, you may not realize it and still possess it, like countless people who are in denial or dont consciously detect it for various reasons.
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pure conjecture. it is another incorrect generalization that countless people are in denial.
no, i dont catch your drift at all.. 1st, youre making an assumtion without taking real samples from the whole. 2nd, in your world, the 6 smples are not taken at random, and especially, not from other areas, only from one neighborhood.
in my assessment, i sampled 6 hd2s.. and from different areas.. add to this, the dozens upon dozens of other "samples" (complaints from others), and the detection and ultimate convinced friends of mine whose hd2s they swore they never had. in a normal sampling model, 15 - 30 samples are taken. but in this case, over 100 samples have been reported. statistically speaking, youre near the 100% confidence level that most, if not, the whole is defective.
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see above. the reports you rely on are from dozens of members on the forum, yes? again, not all of these members are good english speakers, so their definition of static might vary. hence, they are not reliable example for your statistical analysis. and i've already spoken about the 6 particular HD2s you personally sampled which were unfortunately not from ALL over the WORLD.
and, why are you defending the tmous when you never owned one? that to me is insulting in our assessment.
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i'm not defending the TMOUS version, nor attacking you if thats what you think. i am simply talking about my experience with the international HD2. like i suggested, change the title of the thread if you already agree that your claims concern the TMOUS version in particular.
finally, i suggest you post a youtube or audio recording of what you hear during a phone call. it would really help to clarify things and truly minimize confusions.
then, we might find a solution also for everyone's benefit.
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but surely you have done the same yourself about non tmous hd2 handsets having static?
T-Mob version, no trace of static (pops/hisses) & I too have perfect hearing & a clinical aproach to audio quality.
No static is present in 183hrs of total talk time but I will state sound quality (different issue) is not as good as some earlier HTC devices, only highly noticible when listening to music via modded HTC headset lead with HPM-70's
I think some videos recording static on batch tested devices along with specific device hardware/software data & networks used for testing would be a good step forward in terms of evidence & as a test sample comparative.
My device statistics are in sig & I have used it on DTAC, China Mobile, MobiTell, Vodafone UK, T-Mobile UK, Orange EU with no static present during calls.