theres been complaints of the amount of static that the hd2 produces during calls. forum member, zach.antre, tested different radio roms to see which ones were static free. in all of his tests, all of the radio roms produced background static. therefore, he and i conclude that static is present in all htc hd2s. heres the link showing results of his tests:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067311&page=4
static has been a known and reported issue on all hd2s. if anyone would like to suggest a fix for the static, your responses will benefit all hd2 owners. thanks.
To fix the static go into menu all settings personal buttons and up/down
Then move the sliders halfway and this should significantly fix your static problem. I am on radio 2.12 and following this method have no static.
it isnt all, how many times does this have to be said?
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To fix the static go into menu all settings personal buttons and up/down
Then move the sliders halfway and this should significantly fix your static problem. I am on radio 2.12 and following this method have no static.
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hi, xlr8me.. i dont understand the way you use to reduce or "eliminate" static. i tried this on my hd2 and the static is always there. so, this doesnt work at all.
If you use the volume keys up and down you can hear the distortion as you go up and down. The key is to limit it in the volume screen ie listen for it and reduce it via my method. Actually, try various positions in the button settings screen and then test it. I can't understand though why you insist its on all hd2. Mine does not exhibit any static during calls.
not sure what OP is talking about. I never get static.
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Oh boy here we go, this thread is about to become ignorant. I hope a mod is reading this thread as I am sure it is not long from being shut down now.
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One is....
There's no need for any arguing about this.
I do not expect to see anymore accusations of trolling, just opinions and possible fixes for anyone who might be suffering from the static issue.
One warning, that's it.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.......
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xlr8me, you seem to contradict yourself. on the one hand, you said you can "hear the distortion" going up and down the volume keys. and you suggest reducing static through your method. but on the other hand, you say that you dont have static.. so which is it? i dont get you.
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What I am saying is that the static maybe linked with the distortion in the volume icon screen though I can't say 4 sure 100% but I did notice the static on older radios. Try the 2.12radio. I can 100% confirm no static when having conversation with other people on phone.
Perhaps, OP your speaker above front screen has failed and hence why you and some others are getting static/distortion. Seems to me to be a reasonable hypothesis. Try replacing it.
Good luck..
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hi richy. i know your phone more than you do since i've tested 6 hd2s in diff areas of the nation and i own 2 of them.
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No one knows my phone more than I do, and I can tell you I have NO static on mine.
There may be a common issue with some HD2 having static, fair enough, but there is NO need to force it on everyone and argue with them, insiting they have static when they obviously don't.
This thread will remian open for now, since I have removed all the stupid arguing, but if you can't discuss it in a civilised manner, then it will be closed.
why was my post deleted?
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why was my post deleted?
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As I stated above, I have cleaned the thread of all argumentative behaviour.
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As I stated above, I have cleaned the thread of all argumentative behaviour.
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not in mine there wasnt
koolxx i never get static on my phone...and most of the tmous hd2 users are complaining abt static
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koolxx i never get static on my phone...and most of the tmous hd2 users are complaining abt static
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hi, sidd... well, you might have static but may not know it for reasons i've already outlined on this and an another thread. i know your in india so i cant say for sure if your asian hd2 phone has static. but i can only speak for tnous phones and i can conclude with sufficient proof that they must all got static.
first, lets define "static". to me, static is random pops and crackles that stand out from the rest of the audio.
now, lets define "noise". noise is very very low volume and might have some pattern if it is caused by electrical interference. to me, there are two kinds of "noise" when it comes to phones:
1. noise due to digital compression...voice calls are digitally encoded and undergo some loss and "aliasing" in the process. you can notice this when the other person is speaking and you are listening. listen to the silence. then listen to the audio as the other person BEGINS to speak. the other person's audio often starts and ends with a faint but distinct "hiss".
2. noise due to the rest of the phone's electronics. this effect is very very similar to what you can hear in headphones when you connect headphones to your desktop/laptop...turn the volume up, transfer something to/from USB, and you will hear all kinds of "hollywood computer sounds" having a distinct pattern that changes randomly. i can hear this kind of noise in the background of the HD2 when on a phone call.
the above is a description of my experience. other than the noise, i hear NO static. i will also add that both of the above noises during phone calls are very very very very faint in my experience with the HD2
the reason i am making the distinction between noise and static is because i think the forum members are getting confused about their experience with their phones and what you state as "static" in your experiences. are you talking about noise as i have described it or rather about loud pops and crackles (what i describe as static)? this should get everyone on the same page to better discuss the topic.
finally, "correlation does not imply cause and effect". you have statistical evidence, yes. but is it representative of the entire world wide "population" of HD2s? later on, you say you are not certain about the "asia" model while you insist it is a problem with the TMOUS version.
note that there is no such hardware as the "asia" model. there is the TMOUS model and the "international" model. i use the international model and have NO complaints. 2 other friends, an uncle, and a cousin also use international model HD2s and they also have no complaints of in call static.
i think it is a bit of leap to generalize from SIX TMOUS HD2s. a bit like saying that all dry cleaners in the world are korean because the 6-7 in your neighborhood or state are korean. catch my drift?
PS: i don't mean to sound racist with the above example at all! i myself live in a country whose citizens are inaccurately stereotyped the world over.
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first, lets define "static". to me, static is random pops and crackles that stand out from the rest of the audio.
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yes, thats the correct definition of static.
the above is a description of my experience. other than the noise, i hear NO static. i will also add that both of the above noises during phone calls are very very very very faint in my experience with the HD2.
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your other description of "noise" (whatever that means), is too complex and confusing. lets keep things very simple. you DO have static on your tmous. again, the pops and crackles on the hd2 during calls is evident. and as i've said countless times, i pointed out to 2 people the static they at first didnt detect and denied. after i detected it for them, they were surprised as hell about it. and mind you, one of them owns the phone for close to a year. and for a year, he didnt know he had static.
the reason i am making the distinction between noise and static is because i think the forum members are getting confused about their experience with their phones and what you state as "static" in your experiences.
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the forum members arent confused. but your inclusion of "noise" apart from static is confusing. and this can lead confusion in the forum. again, lets keep things simple.
f"correlation does not imply cause and effect". you have statistical evidence, yes. but is it representative of the entire world wide "population" of HD2s? later on, you say you are not certain about the "asia" model while you insist it is a problem with the TMOUS version.
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it does imply and prove effect. when you take a sample of 6 with dozens of other complaints, statisitically, the confidence level of that correlation approaches 100%. this is a statisitcal inference that EVERY statician knows about like the back of his hand. i'm very surprised that you dont know this.
when i say "all hd2s", i dont mean international, only tmous at the very least. i say 'at the least' becuz i havent tested international hd2s. but it is very possible that even on international phones, people do suffer from it and dont know it. i've read complaints of static from those with international hd2s.
i use the international model and have NO complaints. 2 other friends, an uncle, and a cousin also use international model HD2s and they also have no complaints of in call static.
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again, its possible you dont.. but i cant make the claim that you got static since youre on an international hd2. but again, you may not realize it and still possess it, like countless people who are in denial or dont consciously detect it for various reasons.
i think it is a bit of leap to generalize from SIX TMOUS HD2s. a bit like saying that all dry cleaners in the world are korean because the 6-7 in your neighborhood or state are korean. catch my drift?
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no, i dont catch your drift at all.. 1st, youre making an assumtion without taking real samples from the whole. 2nd, in your world, the 6 smples are not taken at random, and especially, not from other areas, only from one neighborhood.
in my assessment, i sampled 6 hd2s.. and from different areas.. add to this, the dozens upon dozens of other "samples" (complaints from others), and the detection and ultimate convinced friends of mine whose hd2s they swore they never had. in a normal sampling model, 15 - 30 samples are taken. but in this case, over 100 samples have been reported. statistically speaking, youre near the 100% confidence level that most, if not, the whole is defective.
and, why are you defending the tmous when you never owned one? that to me is insulting in our assessment.
I never hear any pops, crackles or any other type of distortion on my HD2 when calling.
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yes, thats the correct definition of static.
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ok...
your other description of "noise" (whatever that means), is too complex and confusing. lets keep things very simple. you DO have static on your tmous. again, the pops and crackles on the hd2 during calls is evident. and as i've said countless times, i pointed out to 2 people the static they at first didnt detect and denied. after i detected it for them, they were surprised as hell about it. and mind you, one of them owns the phone for close to a year. and for a year, he didnt know he had static.
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aah but it IS relevant. the devil is in the details, complex is good some times! it demonstrates that i have paid attention to the call quality so much so that i can hear the faint noise patterns...but NO static! your friends could be naive as you say, but i am an avid music listener and the slightest pops and crackles really do annoy me...but its just not there for my international HD2.
the forum members arent confused. but your inclusion of "noise" apart from static is confusing. and this can lead confusion in the forum. again, lets keep things simple.
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see below why it is relevant. to summarize, not all forum members are english speakers and it is a commonly known fact that people come to this forum to report problems and get help. the other thousands of users who have no problems aren't represented by such "data".
it does imply and prove effect. when you take a sample of 6 with dozens of other complaints, statisitically, the confidence level of that correlation approaches 100%. this is a statisitcal inference that EVERY statician knows about like the back of his hand. i'm very surprised that you dont know this.
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i do know this. but did you try any HD2 from outside your country? like say, one from south america, another from europe, still another from australia? finally, the dozens of other complaints that you are relying on to make your generalization might very well have been talking about the noise i have mentioned as opposed to the static that you describe. there is doubt in those reports because you haven't heard their phone calls first hand, so only your own "6" HD2s are statistically relevant. moreover, not all forum members are english speakers and so the exact definition of static may very well vary. i'm very surprised that you dont realize this.
when i say "all hd2s", i dont mean international, only tmous at the very least. i say 'at the least' becuz i havent tested international hd2s. but it is very possible that even on international phones, people do suffer from it and dont know it. i've read complaints of static from those with international hd2s.
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fair enough, then please change the title of the thread to reflect the part that you are sure about, i.e. "The static in TMOUS HD2 is real", or some such. otherwise, the existing title is an exaggeration by your own admission that you are only certain about the TMOUS version. as for the complaints you have read of other forum members, i've already commented on that.
again, its possible you dont.. but i cant make the claim that you got static since youre on an international hd2. but again, you may not realize it and still possess it, like countless people who are in denial or dont consciously detect it for various reasons.
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pure conjecture. it is another incorrect generalization that countless people are in denial.
no, i dont catch your drift at all.. 1st, youre making an assumtion without taking real samples from the whole. 2nd, in your world, the 6 smples are not taken at random, and especially, not from other areas, only from one neighborhood.
in my assessment, i sampled 6 hd2s.. and from different areas.. add to this, the dozens upon dozens of other "samples" (complaints from others), and the detection and ultimate convinced friends of mine whose hd2s they swore they never had. in a normal sampling model, 15 - 30 samples are taken. but in this case, over 100 samples have been reported. statistically speaking, youre near the 100% confidence level that most, if not, the whole is defective.
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see above. the reports you rely on are from dozens of members on the forum, yes? again, not all of these members are good english speakers, so their definition of static might vary. hence, they are not reliable example for your statistical analysis. and i've already spoken about the 6 particular HD2s you personally sampled which were unfortunately not from ALL over the WORLD.
and, why are you defending the tmous when you never owned one? that to me is insulting in our assessment.
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i'm not defending the TMOUS version, nor attacking you if thats what you think. i am simply talking about my experience with the international HD2. like i suggested, change the title of the thread if you already agree that your claims concern the TMOUS version in particular.
finally, i suggest you post a youtube or audio recording of what you hear during a phone call. it would really help to clarify things and truly minimize confusions.
then, we might find a solution also for everyone's benefit.
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but surely you have done the same yourself about non tmous hd2 handsets having static?
T-Mob version, no trace of static (pops/hisses) & I too have perfect hearing & a clinical aproach to audio quality.
No static is present in 183hrs of total talk time but I will state sound quality (different issue) is not as good as some earlier HTC devices, only highly noticible when listening to music via modded HTC headset lead with HPM-70's
I think some videos recording static on batch tested devices along with specific device hardware/software data & networks used for testing would be a good step forward in terms of evidence & as a test sample comparative.
My device statistics are in sig & I have used it on DTAC, China Mobile, MobiTell, Vodafone UK, T-Mobile UK, Orange EU with no static present during calls.
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Have finally decided to go back to using my Storm 2, with all the great features the HD2 has, I just cannot get the hang of the damn keyboard..tried all third party ones, none were accurate for speedy one handed typing. The registry fixes seemed to work sometimes and not other times - It was driving me insane.
Typing something like..."ok mate, see you in a minute.." turned into a game of Buckaroo, or minesweep!
I will miss the great screen and super web browsing - not to mention great customisability features of the device
...but to be honest, come to think of it, thats all I will miss.
Great forum here
Really I can't understand the problem is in the device or person?
I'm replying this from my device only, typed one handed without issues and without any patch installed. It just need some time to get use to the new device.
I actually find it way easier to type in my HD2 comparing to my iPhone with t9 support.
There is some difficulty with high sensitivity, but its compensated with the t9 error correction.
Anyways, best of luck with your another device.
One more of those threads...
@Mods
Please, can we either make ONE thread for posts like these or ban them completely? They really hurt the quality of the forum.
(after all, they don't help anyone at all)
maati said:
One more of those threads...
@Mods
Please, can we either make ONE thread for posts like these or ban them completely? They really hurt the quality of the forum.
(after all, they don't help anyone at all)
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Hey, they are recruiting moderators, go figure out... If you don't like the thread report it...
Moderators are monitoring anyway, they arent waiting for you to guide them.
PM me with how much your selling it for.
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Really I can't understand the problem is in the device or person?
I'm replying this from my device only, typed one handed without issues and without any patch installed. It just need some time to get use to the new device.
I actually find it way easier to type in my HD2 comparing to my iPhone with t9 support.
There is some difficulty with high sensitivity, but its compensated with the t9 error correction.
Anyways, best of luck with your another device.
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Stumbling along using T9 is hardly a good test of whether a keyboard is up to the task now is it? It's cheating.
The fact remains that typing on the HD2 keyboard - and I mean properly typing with no kids' correction services* - is pretty damned hard work. I have to correct almost every word and it is extremely tedious. The keyboard seems to have regular funny turns too where it becomes super-sensitive and where some of the keys, mainly backspace, adopt a mind of their own. Anyone who defends this keyboard, let alone says it's good, is surely having a laugh. I can manage it better than most, a few friends have had a go and it put them off the handset instantly. They had at first loved the screen but the keyboard soon had them turning their noses up.
*T9 and the like were invented to make multi-tap keypads more useable for the masses. I never used it then so with a full QWERTY at my disposal I'm certainly not interested. I'm a very fast typist and can bang-out whole words faster than people can using T9. I should not have to go hunting for new keyboards or using T9 workarounds on a premium device. It's just not on and I fully appreciate why the OP has ditched his handset.
The fact remains that typing on the HD2 keyboard - and I mean properly typing with no kids' correction services* - is pretty damned hard work
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A fact? Just like it's fact that ALL HD2's have hardware faults?
What you think is a fact is in fact not a fact at all but nonsense. It's one of the best software keyboards ever. Really better than the iPhone's that, if you belive the common opinion, was previously the best (I had an iPhone, I know the HD2 has a better keyboard).
Now don't tell me about threads where people complain bout the keyboard. I told you before why that would be stupid (though I'm sure you didn't get it...):
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You'd also realize that this is a forum where people come when they try to get solutions - people who don't have problems usually don't tell everyone about it. Your conclusion that just because you have two faulty devices all must be faulty is total nonsense - almost all devices are perfectly fine and even more important, are of much higher quality than most other phones (*cough* iPhone *cough*)
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A fact? Just like it's fact that ALL HD2's have hardware faults?
What you think is a fact is in fact not a fact at all but nonsense. It's one of the best software keyboards ever.
Now don't tell me about threads where people complain bout the keyboard. I told you before why that would be stupid (though I'm sure you didn't get it...).
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Along comes one of those people who is 'surely having a laugh'.
I really cannot imagine a worse keyboard. I'm sorry but whatever you're comparing it to is not worthy of any accolades if the HD2 keyboard beats it into submission. You cannot seriously tell me that inputting text on this device is anything but a tedious and frustrating experience.
Again, you show that you're unable to read.
As I said (and you couldn't read) I compared to the iPhone I had (and the Touch HD). The HD2 has a much better keyboard.
If it's true that the iPhone had the best keyboard (that's what people say), then now the HD2 has the best one.
You draw the conclusion that just because YOU are not able to type on it, it's bad? You're much more of a stupid troll than I thought.
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Again, you show that you're unable to read.
As I said (and you couldn't read) I compared to the iPhone I had (and the Touch HD). The HD2 has a much better keyboard.
If it's true that the iPhone had the best keyboard (that's what people say), then now the HD2 has the best one.
You draw the conclusion that just because YOU are not able to type on it, it's bad? You're much more of a stupid troll than I thought.
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LOL. I really must stress that I'm only humouring you because I have absolutely nothing better to do apart from drink beer and argue with you. I'm holed-up in a hotel room in a strange city and it's kinda fun....to a point.
Nobody I know likes the HD2 keyboard save a handful of people on this forum. It's absolutely terrible. HTC need to sort a hotfix immediately because loads of people will return their handsets for this and this alone.
Yeah sure... nobody likes the keyboard and loads of people return their devices
Actually only stupid people return their devices because of small, easily fixable software flaws... and if they're not only stupid but also trolls and/or psychologically disturbed, they open threads to tell everyone that they've returned their devices.
I really must stress that I'm only humouring you because I have absolutely nothing better to do apart from drink beer and argue with you.
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How come I don't believe that?
You've shown before that you need the whining and you seem to want people to read it.... otherwise I couldn't explain why you hijack every thread and open whining threads yourself.
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Along comes one of those people who is 'surely having a laugh'.
I really cannot imagine a worse keyboard. I'm sorry but whatever you're comparing it to is not worthy of any accolades if the HD2 keyboard beats it into submission. You cannot seriously tell me that inputting text on this device is anything but a tedious and frustrating experience.
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sunking101:
I have just reviewed your entire history of posts on this forum; I am surprised that you had nothing ever to say except to bash & complain about the HD2, enflame others with your sordid commentary, and trying ever so ardently to persuade others that this is the worse phone in history, despite that we all know the opposite!
I believe that you are deliberately trying your very hardest to ruin our experience with the HD2, actively creating and perpetuating mirages of exaggerated hardware faults, causing unrest among the forum members, and continuously complaining about everything in the HD2. This is not a casual accusation, this is the result of a comprehensive review of what goes back to your first post.
Unless you are being paid for this, just sell your phone and buy an iPhone, or, roll over and die! See who cares about your mobile phone satisfaction
I am surprised that you had nothing ever to say except to bash & complain about the HD2,
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I'm not surprised about that. Just read only one of his posts and you know what kind of person he is.
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Yeah sure... nobody likes the keyboard and loads of people return their devices
Actually only stupid people return their devices because of small, easily fixable software flaws... and if they're not only stupid but also trolls and/or psychologically disturbed, they open threads to tell everyone that they've returned their devices.
How come I don't believe that?
You've shown before that you need the whining and you seem to want people to read it.... otherwise I couldn't explain why you hijack every thread and open whining threads yourself.
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I think I know "why"; read my thread on the Leo page:
link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=598035
This guy is a dog
maati:
If you notice, this guy as well as others who are doing the exact same thing (attitude, behavior, etc) have all joined the form in November - as soon as they HD2 came out, and have posted SO many times they are Senior Members already!
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If you notice, this guy as well as others who are doing the exact same thing (attitude, behavior, etc) have all joined the form in November - as soon as they HD2 came out, and have posted SO many times they are Senior Members already!
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Doh! Of course I've posted since the HD2 came out because I only came here due to the numerous problems with the device!!!! I came here to try and get fixes. There have been a few helpful tweaks for this, that and the other but the SMS problems and call quality problems (volume and distortion) remain!
Actually only stupid people return their devices because of small, easily fixable software flaws... and if they're not only stupid but also trolls and/or psychologically disturbed, they open threads to tell everyone that they've returned their devices.
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Just in case I am falling into that category, I am in fact keeping it, but waiting for a fix, a miracle, or some prozac - before I use it again
@sunking
Sure, you tried to get fixes
You wanted people to read your complaints and spread FUD, that's all.
I'm on my second one, the first went back. Went back to my iphone. Keyboard on iphone is way more accurate. Hd2 need a major overhaul typing is very hard.
Typing on my touch hd was way better and t9 sucks. I'm giving this thing a couple more days but its not looking good.
Just so you all know in the last two years ive had and loved an x7500, a touch, a touch hd, then iphone (which i dislike very much) and now the hd2. This according to the specs was THE!!! phone i was waiting for. Software wise its just not close to the hardware spec. It needs a lot of work. especially for the price. We will see what the next few days bring.
yeah for the love of god I wish this guy would leave, its annoying to log on.and find every otherpost a bash on the HD2 by this guy... can't wait until he gets bored and moseys on!
I thought folks would find this interesting, to say the least.
There has been a lot of rumor and theorizing about the infamous "Yellow Reset Button" believed by some to signify a new run of phones, supposedly marking the phones as after the first 50k production units. This may be entirely true, partially true, or a complete fabrication, elevated to the status of urban legend, right up there with "It is illegal to kill a Praying Mantis, and you will get a $50 fine if you do, LOL! (You won't trust me on THAT at least.)
So it was with some excitement that I received a "Yellow Button Special" as my 4th warranty refurb. Let's just say that it did not quite life up to the hype, and was the absolute worst as far as lock ups, and I had 3 previous ones to compare it with. Part of the reason I put this in the Energy Forum was a Tweet that our esteemed chef put out about 5-6 weeks ago, saying that he had a yellow reset button model and was experiencing nolockups. That's quite a claim to make for ANY Windows Mobile handset, but I do not doubt his observation. I do believe it was probably early in the testing of said phone, and that he could not have kept such a sparkling record going indefinitely.
So, by way of a long story, I come to the blasted point, LOL! Anyone who haunts this forum knows my posts tend to be... let's say verbose! Nevertheless, attached are two pictures of the Part Number for two phones, both refurbs, and both from T-Mobile Warranty Support. Called and pleased my case, whereupon T-Mobile agreed to send me handset #5 - yep. This is my fifth T-Mobile HTC HD2 Phone.
And? Its GREAT! It works better than any other one I have had, in particular the Bluetooth A2DP works to my stereo headset without cutting out. I have had no lockups in over a full weeks use, with multiple ROMs flashed to it. Display is perfect, sensitive (I know thats driver, not hardware related, but just sayin. I have put it through a pretty vigorous set of daily use testing, and it has been beautiful.
Now for the clincher, and it's nothing to do with a "Yellow Reset Button". If you must know it DOES have a yellow button, BUT: It also has a different part number
Check the attached pics, which I covered my IMEI and my S/N (paranoia, no other reason, he he)
I have checked Serial/IMEI and Part Numbers on each refurb they sent, and all have had the exact same part number. Until now, that is:
The old one reads: xxxxx001-00 B
The new one reads:xxxxx001-01 XB
What does this mean? As an expert witness for the prosecution I will TELL YOU! The answer is: I haven't a clue what it means, or if it means ANYTHING. I do know that it is significant, and to me, a different Part Number means a revision. What revision, and even if its a GOOD revision remains open to speculation. I prefer to think I have "One of the new, GOOD ones", LOL. But seriously I don't know. It would be interesting if anyone cares to track these and see what we can learn, if if anyone on the forum actually KNOWS what the bumped up part # signifies. Anyone have any info?
For me, i think the rumour that they changed the button to yellow because america expects small red dots to be water indicators holds more of a ring of truth than a build version marker. I just think it coincided with a second surge in production.
hmm...interesting...are you referring only to TMOUS version or European one as well. My HD2 for instance is European and P/N reads 02-00 C
Since november Ive only ever had one entirely solid and dependable HD2, it has a p/n ending in 039-00.
im quite curious to see how these numbers reflect on the time/location of production....
What are folks doing to their HD2 to have multiple ones?
I have the TMO launch HD2 and its fine. I have updated the unit to the TMO US firmware and its fine. The only problem I had, which is annoying and I wish someone could help me fix this, is that with Facebook V1.2, it doesnt retain my credentials. regardless if I click save. I am investigating, but if someone knows how to fix this, please advise.
Otherwise, the unit is fine.
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I have the TMO launch HD2 and its fine. I have updated the unit to the TMO US firmware and its fine. The only problem I had, which is annoying and I wish someone could help me fix this, is that with Facebook V1.2, it doesnt retain my credentials. regardless if I click save. I am investigating, but if someone knows how to fix this, please advise.
Otherwise, the unit is fine.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6524948#post6524948
Rurph said:
hmm...interesting...are you referring only to TMOUS version or European one as well. My HD2 for instance is European and P/N reads 02-00 C
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The old one reads: xxxxx001-00 B
The new one reads:xxxxx001-01 XB
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My HD2 purchased in 10/2009 reads 99HJY005-00 XB
In relation with this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1067473, I have now recieved confirmation of a serious wifi problem from the danish support section at Samsungs.
I think it deserves its own thread (or else I'm sure people will tell me otherwise).
My mail loosely translated:
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I have bought the GT-I9100 samsung galaxy s2, and I'm convinced that it has a critical wifi issue. When holding it "normally" i.e. covering the lower back part of the phone, it either completely looses connection, or the signal deteriorates significantly. Also called "grib of death".
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Their answer (also loosely translated):
This is a problem that is currently being handled, and we are putting a great effort into fixing it as soon as possible. A official press conference will be held as soon as the final solution has been found. When this happens, you should of course contact your dealer, and continue from there.
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My post in the other thread describing the problem can be seen here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14420373&postcount=206
Have anyone else recieved answer from support regarding this issue, or heard anything relating to it?
I just tried death gripping my whole phone (Both hands) in a variety of different ways and couldn't get it to drop from 3 bars :/
Omg holding the phone with 2 fingers boosts the wifi signal by 2 bars... Cant be an software issue right?
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Hollow.Droid said:
I just tried death gripping my whole phone (Both hands) in a variety of different ways and couldn't get it to drop from 3 bars :/
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Have you about the possibility that it doesn't count for all phones? Maybe it's related to certain batches...
This signal drop confirmed. See previous posts.
jje
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No offense, but I find what you posted from a support agent hard to believe. If the problem was significant enough to hold a press conference, any information regarding it wouldn't be shared with low-level staff. It also wouldn't be conducted in Denmark, it would be managed by Samsung Corporate PR. And Samsung is known to be extremely protective of communication. Just look at the original Galaxy S GPS issue. If they've found an issue that's good news because it means there will be some type of fix available. But based on what you've posted, I'm skeptical that its going to be some international event involving public communication. Time will tell.
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No offense, but I find what you posted from a support agent hard to believe. If the problem was significant enough to hold a press conference, any information regarding it wouldn't be shared with low-level staff. It also wouldn't be conducted in Denmark, it would be managed by Samsung Corporate PR. And Samsung is known to be extremely protective of communication. Just look at the original Galaxy S GPS issue. If they've found an issue that's good news because it means there will be some type of fix available. But based on what you've posted, I'm skeptical that its going to be some international event involving public communication. Time will tell.
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I can forward the exact mail to you if you want (though in danish - which you can google translate). I'm just sharing the information. You can do with the information as you please.
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No offense, but I find what you posted from a support agent hard to believe. If the problem was significant enough to hold a press conference, any information regarding it wouldn't be shared with low-level staff. It also wouldn't be conducted in Denmark, it would be managed by Samsung Corporate PR. And Samsung is known to be extremely protective of communication. Just look at the original Galaxy S GPS issue. If they've found an issue that's good news because it means there will be some type of fix available. But based on what you've posted, I'm skeptical that its going to be some international event involving public communication. Time will tell.
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here comes the voice of reason. I totally agree, an email support person would not be in possession of this info, or would not be allowed to share it.
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here comes the voice of reason. I totally agree, an email support person would not be in possession of this info, or would not be allowed to share it.
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That might very well be, but I still contacted support through the official Samsung website, and that is still the reply I got.
Some quick and dirty documentation (warning: in Danish):
BarryH_GEG said:
No offense, but I find what you posted from a support agent hard to believe. If the problem was significant enough to hold a press conference, any information regarding it wouldn't be shared with low-level staff. It also wouldn't be conducted in Denmark, it would be managed by Samsung Corporate PR. And Samsung is known to be extremely protective of communication. Just look at the original Galaxy S GPS issue. If they've found an issue that's good news because it means there will be some type of fix available. But based on what you've posted, I'm skeptical that its going to be some international event involving public communication. Time will tell.
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Btw Barry. I completely agree with every single word that you said. Would you rather I just kept the mail I recieved for my self?
Because a low-level support agent sent you an e-mail, it doesn't mean its true. There were numerous confirmations from Samsung support staff about the imminent arrival of a UK-NFC version of the SGS2 that never materialized. Coincidentally, LG staff in Denmark confirmed a fix for the O2X reboot issues was due out in two weeks. It was six months before it was released. Low-level staff are not typically reliable sources of information.
Regardless, there are quite a few people having Wi-Fi issues based on the number of posts so if Samsung is working on some type of fix that is good news.
There's a multi-page thread on the Sensation forum about the death grip effecting Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity that impacts the phone when held horizontally. It's because of the antenna placement. I have no doubt that as we shove more and more crap in to smaller amounts of space in dual-core phones signal is going to continue to be an issue. I don't know where the SGS2's antennas are but if you cover them you're going to lose signal. Short of an antenna you have to carry separately from the phone, where would you suggest manufacturers put the antenna of a small hand held device? No matter where its placed your going to occasionally cover it. Using Wi-Fi Analyzer I can't see a drop when I do what you suggest in your post. It's been posted that the Wi-Fi indicator in the status bar is inaccurate which you can see if you're using something like Wi-Fi analyzer as it reports very different results. So I'd urge people to use a third party app if they want to try to replicate what the OPs reporting.
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Btw Barry. I completely agree with every single word that you said. Would you rather I just kept the mail I recieved for my self?
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Gosh no. The fact that Samsung Denmark acknowledged there's a problem is terrific news that I'm sure is going to make quite a few people happy. When you look at the Wi-Fi posts there's something strange going on with the SGS2. It's odd that some people have no problems and others can barely get a signal. Hopefully, based on what was shared with you, a fix is in the works. Let's all hope its software based which will be a lot faster and easier.
Firstly, I just forwarded the information that I recieved. Do with it as you please. I'm not saying anything about the truth value of it.
Secondly, there was a reason why I asked the question: "Have anyone else recieved answer from support regarding this issue, or heard anything relating to it?". As I wanted to confirm this rather wild reply from their support.
Also, I am not relying solely on the wifi-indicator. I installed two different wifi-tools, testing for many different parameters (trying to take a somewhat scientific approach).
And it is not only the indicator I'm relying on. The reason why I started suspecting a problem, was because my browsing speeds, and the android market loading speeds, varied extremely (and on several different routers). Even loosing connection completely many times.
I urge people to falsify the information I provided.
(but again, anecdotal evidence is always unreliable)
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... I don't know where the SGS2's antennas are but if you cover them you're going to lose signal. ...
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the manual says the antennas are in the lower 1/5th of the device. MOST smartphone manufacturers place antennas there these days (lower end of the phone), because that place is the farthest away from your brain when you hold the phone to your ear. I am sure you guys know this, I am just repeating a known thing.
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the manual says the antennas are in the lower 1/5th of the device. MOST smartphone manufacturers place antennas there these days (lower end of the phone), because that place is the farthest away from your brain when you hold the phone to your ear. I am sure you guys know this, I am just repeating a known thing.
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Not to change the subject, but you'll find this amusing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1096021#
The Sensation has a crappy signal and users will get tumors. At least we only have a crappy signal
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Not to change the subject, but you'll find this amusing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1096021#
The Sensation has a crappy signal and users will get tumors. At least we only have a crappy signal
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Thanks I find solace in jokes like this, just so I do not feel too pissed about SGS2. My old Captivate used to be more reliable and worked better on AT&T. Probably 50/50 the fault of Samsung (build quality) and AT&T (signal strength). Here is hoping AT&T-customized version comes out soon and I can sell my SGS2. Yes I know it may be limited and restricted, but at least it would have the main functionality optimized and tune: network signal reception.
Nordic Hardware just did a comparison test of Wi-Fi on the SGS2 and the Sensation. A lot of it was focused on the Sensation death grip issue but they ran a slew of comparison tests in a lab environment which should prove interesting. You'll have to use Google Translate to understand it. Here's the link...
http://www.nordichardware.se/testla...are-med-hoeg-upploesning.html?start=8#content
I'm death gripping my buttocks while laughing at this thread.
Weak Wifi signal?... my ar$e!
nobnut said:
I'm death gripping my buttocks while laughing at this thread.
Weak Wifi signal?... my ar$e!
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kreoXDA said:
Here is hoping AT&T-customized version comes out soon and I can sell my SGS2. Yes I know it may be limited and restricted, but at least it would have the main functionality optimized and tune: network signal reception.
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They both should have the same radio so when it comes out maybe we'll see things improve just by copying the APN settings and other tweaks. I came from T-Mobile so I don't know I'm crappy.
One thing I've noticed though. I got the phone a Case-Mate Tough Case which is like a cocoon. I also got a PDAir gel that just arrived. There's a funky cut-out on the upper right corner so I e-mailed them wondering why. They said (in Chinese-English) that it was for reception. My phone definitely downloads faster naked or with the PDAir case than the Case-Mate case. It's anecdotal but it seems the phone definitely doesn't like to be covered.
Hey everyone, I know this is going to be a lengthy post but do please read on and feel free to post your thoughts.
Here's the story... I have had my Galaxy S II for 4 weeks now and every phone call I have made & received has been problematic. Everybody I spoke to was complaining about poor quality, an echo to be more specific, they reported their own voice was being echoed back but the call is always fine on my end. What this means is the call is almost impossible to hear for the other person and they end up calling me back on another phone, its driving me mad and it really is a big issue so I decided to get it exchanged with the company I got it from (Dial-A-Phone). I only arranged the exchange today so I have to wait 3 - 5 days for the bag to arrive to post it back in.
In the meantime I was looking online to see if anyone else had this problem and I can across a thread on AndroidForums (Can't post a link here because im a new user). So it looks like it's not just me its actually a lot of people and seems like it's most Galaxy S II's! Reading the posts on the thread its clear to see that the problem only exists when a case is on the phone and that is exactly what I have been finding (I have a CaseMate Gelli).
So this is now making me think exchanging it will be pointless as the new unit will most likely be exactly the same... I did some more looking around and was pretty shocked to find how many people have this issue. I simply searched Google for "Samsung Galaxy S2 call echo" and there are a lot of results, they are all the same issue just on different forums and posted by many different people.
So my options are as follows: Not use a case which I don't want to do because I want to protect this expensive phone, take it out of the case everytime I get a phone call but that is not practical in any way! people have also said to turn off Noise Reduction when a call connects but again I don't want to have to hit "Menu" > "NR" everytime I answer or place a call! Other people say that putting tape over the Noise Reduction mic and cutting bigger mic holes in the cases makes the problem better... But once again I should NOT have to do this! I should be able to use the phone with all functions normally with a case as protection, especially as this is one of the best phones of the year, costs about £500 and none of the other brands such as HTC have problems like this!
A friend of mine who also has this issue showed me an Amazon.co.uk case review entitled "The FACTS about the Galaxy S2 echo problem & the Case-Mate Tough Case" (Again; Can't post a link) but another person who has had the issue and Samsung even tried to cover it up by discontinuing their own case because it was uncovering a problem with their flagship phone.
Anyway that's probably enough on the subject but I just thought this needs to be brought to people's attention and I am also stuck on what to do, As I said I should not have to do any silly workarounds or not use a case, and exchanging it is 99% certain to be pointless... All I can think of is get the replacement phone brand new, don't open it and sell it on eBay brand new then buy a different phone like a Galaxy Nexus for example. But it does annoy me because I love the Galaxy S II, it's a great phone in every way, its just this that ruins it.
Finally, what do you guys think I should do?
Thanks for reading this and feel free to contribute, I just think this needs to be brought to light instead of just secluded in various forums, afterall, its a phone and if the phone calls are useless it's not going to be very good for many people.
You really should search the SGS2 threads before posting. This issue is old news and if you search you will find tweaks to solve the problem.
Edit: But if you reply you will get your post count up a bit
I never had this problem since i bought it, but it's a scary thought since i am doing a lot of calling with it.
I just talked to my G.F. she said my voice comes threw like butter, no problems on any end.
But i do use a plastic casing for my Sgs2, maybe the metal case that you use is the problem my friend, why not try the plastic one's?.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I've had absolutely no issues with call quality either on my end or the person I've been speaking to. None of my friends who have a SII have complained about it either.
Now it may seem like a lot of people are complaining on forums, but Samsung have reportedly sold 10 million units according to an article on Cnet in October. How many complaints have been made in comparison to that number? I doubt it will be as high as 0.1%. So to claim that it "seems like it's most Galaxy S II's!" is a bit over dramatic. Have you really seen about 8 million (that to me would roughly equate to most), different users on one forum? Keeping in mind that it probably the same people moaning on the different forums.
Personally I'd say go for the replacement, the SII is by far the best phone I've ever had. Yes like any electronics there's going to be issues, but I'd be willing to bet the call echo issue is for a small minority of handsets.
I use the samsung official case, vented back cover, not the best protection but i never mess with noise reduction, volume on my end is normally set half way (otherwise the whole world can hear both ends of my conversation) and it has worked perfectly fine, clear as crystal since day 1.
After getting a drink spilled on mine, and subsequently replacing the charge port PCB which also houses the microphone and speaker connectors, i can tell you that there are clear variations in hardware, although minor, still significant enough to potentially be a problem.
It may be totally unrelated but if you search general for "charge port problem" you can see the discussion on different hardware revisions.
Failing that, the easy test is to try this without your case on, also try lowering speaker volume during call and try even blocking the NR mix hole, if nothing fixes it, then its clearly a hw problem and so should really be replaced by Dial A Phone or Sammy.
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So it looks like it's not just me its actually a lot of people and seems like it's most Galaxy S II's!
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Yep, i agree. Quite cleary most GS2s are faulty because some people have mentioned it on a forum. Nevermind the other 10 million people that havent. Lets generalise anyway
As mentionned, old news. Workaround posted on multiple threads. Alot of people just deactivated noise reduction in the dialer... Next caller please!
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Yep, i agree. Quite cleary most GS2s are faulty because some people have mentioned it on a forum. Nevermind the other 10 million people that havent. Lets generalise anyway
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^^^^
This.
And I've had my SGS2 since May and also use the Case-Mate Tough Case. But thanks for bringing this major issue to light that appears to effect you and maybe three other people.
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This.
And I've had my SGS2 since May and also use the Case-Mate Tough Case. But thanks for bringing this major issue to light that appears to effect you and maybe three other people.
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LOL! Yeah dude, I've been using the phone for 7 months now, no issues of this sort at all. Had a hard case, moved to a soft case a few months later (it was a gift) and all my calls have been fine
ajh94,
So you have eliminated the possible issues originated from the network operators?
No problem here, too.
Yeah I have the same problem but seem to have mostly fixed it.
I removed the rubber housing the microphone as it seemed to be blocking the hole and made the microphone hole larger by wedging a small screwdriver in it.
But I agree with some of the other posts, there are ship loads if threads on this topic. I have posted specifics of my fix on one of them.
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Wasn't aware of this problem at all.
Had mine since May, been using a Casemate "Barely There" since September, no problems at all here.
OMG.... my SGS-II must be faulty as I didn´t receive any complaints from my callers since I got my SGS-II in May
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Yep, i agree. Quite cleary most GS2s are faulty because some people have mentioned it on a forum. Nevermind the other 10 million people that havent. Lets generalise anyway
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not being funny but do you think everyone who owns phone looks at forums reports problems or even notice them. Example nice lady where i work thought her sII was perfect, I looked at it showed her pink spot and yellow tint on screen she hadent noticed and wasent that bothered tbh but point being it was there yes its wrong to generalise but arent you doing the same ?
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not being funny but do you think everyone who owns phone looks at forums reports problems or even notice them. Example nice lady where i work thought her sII was perfect, I looked at it showed her pink spot and yellow tint on screen she hadent noticed and wasent that bothered tbh but point being it was there yes its wrong to generalise but arent you doing the same ?
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So a nice lady showed you her new phone to you and your natural reaction was to show her "faults" with the phone that she hadn't even noticed?
Let's make sure we eliminate the network operator before creating such bold statements as "major issue". I know tons of people that own this phone at not any of them have reported this issue. Trust me, I'd here about it if there was one.
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So is there a fix for this? Because my phone does the same thing when i receive and make calls. I know someone said to lower to noise.reduction on the dailer. But no clue where to find or how to do that. Thanks.
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Solutions:
- Send it to the service center, they should replace the mic with a newer revision.
- Disable Noise Reduction. It's only available during a call and cannot be disabled permanently (Unless phone is rooted, see below), so you have to manually disable on each call.
- You can disable it permanently if your phone is rooted, by using VillianTweaks 1.3.1. There is a fix by LeoMar that supposedly work.
- Use a cover that doesn't cover the top and bottom sides. I've heard that the Case-Mate Barely There cases work, haven't tried it though.
Check this thread for more details.
I have the same problem and my phone is currently at the Samsung service center, though they seemed clueless about the problem so I'm not holding my breath.
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not being funny but do you think everyone who owns phone looks at forums reports problems or even notice them. Example nice lady where i work thought her sII was perfect, I looked at it showed her pink spot and yellow tint on screen she hadent noticed and wasent that bothered tbh but point being it was there yes its wrong to generalise but arent you doing the same ?
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Thats my point. Do you think of the 10million GS2s sold that they all have a "major fault" because of a few people mentioning it on a forum?
The vast majority of mobile phone users dont use forums to either report a fault or not to. Using a forum as proof of anything is ridiculous.
If there was a "major issue" do you not think it would be all over the news with 10million units sold? How many of the new nexus phones were sold before the volume bug was reported everywhere?
I am starting to think that I am not going to use Android L.
Look at this. So, Search, from thegreatestdataminingcompanytheworldhaseverknown is now metasticized throughout the Android OS. Every page, every app, calls out to thatsearchengineeveryoneuses. It's even listening when the phone's OFF! I'll say that again: it's listening all the time. And there's no way to disable it! Coming from Intelligence, and as I've never trusted them, I've always deinstalled most G**gle apps, but now it appears their creepy circus-colored fingers have permeated throughout.
I realise that my point of view will strike many Upright Citizens as shocking because, after all, 'we can trust them'. All I can say is, our public education system has failed us. (Hint: If you are not paying for a product...
... you are the product)
Time for me to start looking into Linux options. Failing that, I'll just stick with Carbon 4.4.4, which serves fine. Oh, I'll probably try Andriod L, but I'm pretty sure now of what I'll find.
Interesting read. I never trusted them when it comes to your data and listening. Lol
If they want to watch me look at tits and asses, so be it
And the Moto X has had always on listening since release, better just throw the phone away and get a dumb phone...
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How do they decide who to listen too? That's a lot of people to eavesdrop on. ?
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It's even listening when the phone's OFF! I'll say that again: it's listening all the time. And there's no way to disable it! Coming from Intelligence, and as I've never trusted them, I've always deinstalled most G**gle apps, but now it appears their creepy circus-colored fingers have permeated throughout
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Reading that post says to me that the phone listens when the screen is off, not when the phone itself is off.
There are also options to turn off the "search from any screen" feature.
So I guess I am not quite as paranoid as you, yet.
Maybe that's why fewer devices have removable batteries; so we can't turn them off all the way.
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If they want to watch me look at tits and asses, so be it
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You have a misconception of your importance. This, you were trained into though, so you come by it honestly.
Darth said:
How do they decide who to listen to? That's a lot of people to eavesdrop on.
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Doesn't matter. With a security mindset you assume it's always you. Ask Schnier.
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Quantumstate said:
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It's even listening when the phone's OFF! I'll say that again: it's listening all the time. And there's no way to disable it! Coming from Intelligence, and as I've never trusted them, I've always deinstalled most G**gle apps, but now it appears their creepy circus-colored fingers have permeated throughout
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Reading that post says to me that the phone listens when the screen is off, not when the phone itself is off.
There are also options to turn off the "search from any screen" feature.
So I guess I am not quite as paranoid as you, yet.
Maybe that's why fewer devices have removable batteries; so we can't turn them off all the way.
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Ya, but what proof do we have at this point that it's not listening when actually -off-? I have none. (ref: OnStar) If you deal in sensitive matters, would you give them the credit? I wouldn't.
Looking into this, I find there is no viable Linux alternative, as we used to have with Opie. So either I block everything G**gle with an independent app like Android Firewall, or do with 4.4.4.
Oh no! Now everyone will know about my life because I'm super-important.
I'm not going to even try to say that Google does no wrong and doesn't use most of the data we send to it for advertising, but they don't listen to you, the phone does.
The phone listens for certain frequencies of sound in certain orders, if it doesn't see those, it keeps looking. It doesn't record every single thing said and send it to Google, it only sends what you say to it (everything past "OK Google").
It's the same way a button works. Nothing records when a button isn't pressed, but things records when it is.
As for the rest of Google, they do make their living off of a free service, what more can you expect? I'd rather pay for a no ad version of their stuff instaid, but untill that's possible, that's just the way it works if you want those beautiful services.
i really couldnt give a flying hoot nannies @#$% about that i have got absolutely nothing to hide. i read an artical a while back that the CIA tracks anybody who is "tor curious" hi CIA i really dont care if you're reading this because im on you internet monitoring list or whatever. i am not doign anything that i dont have the right to do. Damn i love the US. anyhow if your concerned about that what about this than?
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You have a misconception of your importance. This, you were trained into though, so you come by it honestly.
Doesn't matter. With a security mindset you assume it's always you. Ask Schnier.
Ya, but what proof do we have at this point that it's not listening when actually -off-? I have none. (ref: OnStar) If you deal in sensitive matters, would you give them the credit? I wouldn't.
Looking into this, I find there is no viable Linux alternative, as we used to have with Opie. So either I block everything G**gle with an independent app like Android Firewall, or do with 4.4.4.
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It's simple my friend...... A smartphone is not for you then. Get an old flip phone and no one will spy on you. ?
No tablet or computers with cameras or microphones either.
New cars have Bluetooth... Not good.
Some TV's and video game consoles have cameras. Gone.
Can't think of anything else just yet. ?
Yeah.. it's not recording and streaming everything you say. The always listening feature isn't going to decipher everything you say until it matches the hot word, that would kill your battery. It's only kicks in when it detects multiple tones in a certain order.. I don't even know why I'm typing this, think what you want dude, that's not how it works. Keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.
bluebloomers said:
I'm not going to even try to say that Google does no wrong and doesn't use most of the data we send to it for advertising, but they don't listen to you, the phone does.
The phone listens for certain frequencies of sound in certain orders, if it doesn't see those, it keeps looking. It doesn't record every single thing said and send it to Google, it only sends what you say to it (everything past "OK Google").
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The phone has a co-processor which is independent of the main system. Sure, its main function is to watch for keywords and instigate searches based on commands, but it can also be co-opted. I'm not saying any more because apparently I'm frightening a few people here who don't want to face it.
Darth said:
It's simple my friend...... A smartphone is not for you then. Get an old flip phone and no one will spy on you. ?
No tablet or computers with cameras or microphones either.
New cars have Bluetooth... Not good.
Some TV's and video game consoles have cameras. Gone.
Can't think of anything else just yet. ?
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Nice trivializing there, Darth. Of course I've hardened what I have, and since this is such a touchy subject I'm not giving any hints. You have no idea who I am or why I bring this up.
You guys just blithely hand over all your contacts, your network of friends, your calendar, the websites you visit, your searches, your location 24x7, hell your very phone calls. I feel sorry for younger people these days who have no idea that all their online activity will follow them around -forever-. The stupid things they say online, being victimized by bullies, all will follow them to every future job application, every romantic engagement, and their future neighbors will know more about them than they can imagine. And I feel sorry for those whose self-esteem is so low that they feel worthless.
You just have no idea what prostrating yourself to the authorities like this, means. You have no idea what it was like in East Germany or Soviet Russia, much less where we're headed. You've never read 1984 or Fahrenheit 451. And you will pay the price by a subtle enslavement which is too abstract for you to understand, without an education. Something will smell bad but you will never be able to figure out what it is nor do something about it.
I am not here to bicker or school you. I was just trying to do y'all a favor by giving you a perspective that you may not have seen, with everyone so anxious to be "licking your lollipops". I tried to help, but some of you are too cool for me.
Thanks for that. Maybe you should unmask yourself and make a proper point rather than misguiding, misinterpreting and mistakenly telling everyone that they are stupid. Oh yes, and telling everyone what they may or may not have read (wrong on both counts).
Where did you get your education? Were you ever told to think for yourself? Let's go back over that last one again, as modernity tends to gloss it... Were you ever told to think for yourself?
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^ completely agree
Yes, I know. I'm the bad guy, lol.
See, this is why no one any longer shares any real information with you on The Internets. You feel frightened of what you are doing when I demonstrate why... and so you senselessly take it out on -me- rather than getting your own sh*t together. Good job there.
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Oh yes, and telling everyone what they may or may not have read (wrong on both counts).
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Don't lie. No one will believe you after a while.
Remember, privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.
Cardinal Richelieu understood the meaning of surveillance when he famously said, "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." Watch someone long enough, and you will find something to arrest -- or just blackmail -- with. Privacy is important because without it, surveillance information will be abused: to peep, to sell to marketers and to spy on political enemies -- whoever they happen to be at the time.
We do nothing wrong when we make love or go to the bathroom. (the adults here, anyway) We are not deliberately hiding anything when we seek out private places for reflection or conversation. We keep private journals, sing in the privacy of the shower, and write letters to secret lovers and then burn them. Privacy is a basic human need.
If we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that --either now or in the uncertain future-- patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.
How many of the adults present have paused during conversation in the past four-and-a-half years, suddenly aware that we might be eavesdropped on? Probably it was a phone conversation, although maybe it was an e-mail or instant-message exchange or a conversation in a public place. Maybe the topic was terrorism, or politics, or Islam. We stop suddenly, momentarily afraid that our words might be taken out of context, then we laugh at our paranoia and go on. But our demeanor has changed, and our words are subtly altered.
This is the loss of freedom we face when our privacy is taken from us. This is life in former East Germany, or life in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. And it's our future as we allow an ever-intrusive eye into our personal, private lives.
Liberty requires security without intrusion, security plus privacy. Widespread surveillance is the very definition of a police state. And that's why educated people must champion privacy even when we have nothing to hide.
The level of stupid in this thread astounds me. If someone wants your information or something of yours, they're going to get it. It doesn't matter if your phone is always listening or not.
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'Good job' there, eh, "imnuts".
Giving up is not the answer.
i love how, when everyone doesn't jump on this tools bandwagon, he turns on the forums.
Op is as a TROLL!
Thread is ridiculous!