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What do you think folks? isnt this the ultimate phone we've been waiting for all these years?
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One thing I don't like is how when you're flipping through the panels you HAVE to select one. You can't flip through them in that format, then lift your finger and not pick it. Also, very laggy on the screen rotation in panel mode. Graphics accelerator, 384MB ram? Maybe it'll need all of it just to rotate the screen. Really lame, one of the "benefits" to this was going to be that it eats less memory than TF3D... Seems to eat more.
Overall, once they work out some issues, it'll be a good phone. The phone of the future? Maybe... Not my future, but it'll compete with some of the best.
That site has been viewed by a lot of people in the last few days - with regards to performance issues I think it is stated that he had a pre-release version. I believe newer roms have made it snappier (from what I have read)
yup i agreed, its still laggy on screen rotation in panels mode. but switching from one ponales to the other is so fast!
and of course it eats alot of memory than TFL3D, it has 8 active desktop and all running on the background! What makes you think they boost the RAM to 384MB?
hell, it would even be funny to see TFL3D/ manila 2D running as one of Xperia panels and still keep the speed
thats a prototype
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thats a prototype
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... with 256 MB RAM...
Already had posted this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=431573
Definitely a prototype model.
C'mon!!! Let there be final device's reviews!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ronka said:
yup i agreed, its still laggy on screen rotation in panels mode. but switching from one ponales to the other is so fast!
and of course it eats alot of memory than TFL3D, it has 8 active desktop and all running on the background! What makes you think they boost the RAM to 384MB?
hell, it would even be funny to see TFL3D/ manila 2D running as one of Xperia panels and still keep the speed
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Umm, not all of the panels are running applications... It's not the same as having 9 programs open simultaneously, like you guys make it out to be.
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why a Yay? it's an old review from over a week back... prototype model AGAIN.
Can't wait for a real unboxing.
For the first time ever, I can't wait as well. not because of the phone, i know everything unboxing could tell me. i just want to know what the heck there will be in the box besides the phone! will there be a case or a memory card or a headset...? Noone's never said anything about that, but I'd like to know how much additional cost i can expect provided i go with x1.
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For the first time ever, I can't wait as well. not because of the phone, i know everything unboxing could tell me. i just want to know what the heck there will be in the box besides the phone! will there be a case or a memory card or a headset...? Noone's never said anything about that, but I'd like to know how much additional cost i can expect provided i go with x1.
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My bet is on a small microSD card, a wired headset and a CD
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My bet is on a small microSD card, a wired headset and a CD
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Seems likely... but they might include a case too, you never know.
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why a Yay? it's an old review from over a week back... prototype model AGAIN.
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lolz "OH MY GOD ITS A WEEK OLD"
I'm sure they've totally reconstructed everything about the device in the last week!
They upped the RAM to 384, that sounds like reconstruction to me.
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They upped the RAM to 384, that sounds like reconstruction to me.
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Oh yeah? Hm. That video was from September 25th, and on September 26th it was posted on Xperiancers saying there was 384MB RAM... Are you sure that version didn't have it? You're not? Okay then. Notice they didn't say "The device will have", they said "The device has"...
"• Questions re: the speed etc… The device has a graphics accelerator, a 528 Mhz processor and 384 megs of ram (so it should be as fast as anything else that is out there.)"
So I'm glad to know you're 100% sure the version on video 1 day earlier didn't have 384 megs of ram.
And wow, I'm gonna call major BS on what they said here on Xperiancers:
"• How big is the battery and how long does it last? The battery is a 1500mAh unit (about 10% bigger than, for example, the touch pro). How long it lasts depends very much on how much you use the phone. Even in the worst case scenario, with all the features turned on (GPS, internet, applications etc…) and heavy usage, it will last all day and need to be charged over night."
Really? GPS and WiFi, WORST case scenario, using everything, you can't kill the battery in less than a day? BULL****.
Haha chill out there buddy. But you missed one assumption. You assumed because that video is posted on the 25th that they have the newest phone version. As you can see here right in the review they say it's difficult to say how far they are from the final version. Now why would they say that if they got it a day before the release?
"This is a prototype, we were advised that we do not run into any big test that before we start selling a lot more changes. There are several things that at this X1 does not work at all (like GPS), or do not work optimally. It is difficult to say how far we are from the final version, it is clear that the work on the software, therefore, prefer to avoid the assessment of speed or function at all. "
And another quote to back me up.
"With the speed of the animation of the prototype would be worse, but what can be seen in the accompanying video is one of the things that are in the final Xperiích significantly improved (see video at the:: unwired). "
The unwired video was posted on the 15th. Now if it was posted on the 15th why would there 1 day old phone be significantly improved 14 days earlier?
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lolz "OH MY GOD ITS A WEEK OLD"
I'm sure they've totally reconstructed everything about the device in the last week!
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The video was posted over a week ago, but does not account for the prototype... and as far as i know, no prototypes were released with the full 384 Mb...
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The video was posted over a week ago, but does not account for the prototype... and as far as i know, no prototypes were released with the full 384 Mb...
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How would they test it and know it works? Do you mean to tell me you expect them to completely revamp the hardware of the device and release it as-is, with no beta testing? If that's the case, I'm REALLY worried about their quality control now.
For the past 4 weeks I had HTC send me 2 replacement batteries and T-mobile sent me two replacement phones (one with a new battery), and my phone still overheats (over 100 degrees).
I swaping all my microsdhc and even took it out, and did notsolve the problem either.
The only thing left is the Sim card. Is it possible for a sim card to cause this? This is getting extremely frustrating.
The good thing is both HTC and TMobile have been really understanding, if not...I would be on other carrier with a different phone.
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The sim is just a storage chip with a tiny amount of data on.. it doesn't actively do anything. It must be caused by something else.. is your phone overheating while charging or connected by usb, or does it happen all the time?
Only when I use the phone (talk, gps, edge, or wifi...FYI, I'm only running one at a time) it overheats.
Anyway, I just got my new sim and the back looks differnet than the one I got in November.
I have to say my phone runs cooler w/o the sim.
If you want to monitor the temp of your phone, download the Y-mobile "My Account" from the market, and check the battery status.
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My phone is always over 100 degrees F, right now it's 102 and reaches over 112 easily
It seems pretty normal to me, the phone never shuts off or anything
My biggest regret is how slow this stupid thing is, you figure it being able to cook eggs would mean it's got some nice horsepower but this thing makes me wish I waited for the new palm OS
My phone is always over 100 degrees F, right now it's 102 and reaches over 112 easily
It seems pretty normal to me, the phone never shuts off or anything
My biggest regret is how slow this stupid thing is, you figure it being able to cook eggs would mean it's got some nice horsepower but this thing makes me wish I waited for the new palm OS
It also LOVES to double post as you can see
That's a triple post.....
Nah, I made that last post afterwards I didn't edit the post, although I wouldn't be surprised to hit a triple or even the elusive "super-quad" with this dumb thing
same problem here
I was going through the same thing. I mostly ran into this when I was using my fone as a thether. I kinda got worried so I contacted tmo andhtc and they said that it will get hot like that because of the wifi running as well as my screen never timing out. To top it all I was tethering through the usb. So it easly ran up to 115F. When it got that high I would jus bull out the battery and leave the back off for about 5 mins. If u run into this issue while ur fone is doing little or no activity then worry but if ur using data or multiple apps at once then its no biggie.
Aw jeez, I went to check setcpu and my post went bye bye
So a high temp all the time ISN'T normal?
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JF 1.51 ADP
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Advanced Task Manager, and I tend to keep everything killed besides aHome and Better Keyboard
I don't see any problems besides it giving me third degree burns and setting whatever I place it on on fire, goes slow hot or cold too
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128/528 is a big jump, why not use default 384/528? Might help some of your performance issues.
Just a thought.
I thought it scaled itself accordingly and only went to 128 when I'm not running anything or the screen's off to save battery?
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I thought it scaled itself accordingly and only went to 128 when I'm not running anything or the screen's off to save battery?
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It doesnt scale instantly.. cyanogen's done some init.rc mods to help this in his newer builds but theres always a reaction time between opening an app and the speed ramping up.
My properly configured g1 is pretty damn fast for a mobile device.. It sounds like you're ranting on about a problem you caused through lack of research. Good work.
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... makes me wish I waited for the new palm OS
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What new palmOS?
PalmOS is dead and isn't coming back unless someone picks up Access Linux (which is said to have a palmOS Garnet 6 VM only for legacy palmOS support), but that doesn't seem likely as they've been pushing it as stable for years and have yet to sell it to anybody. It is now also pointless to support legacy palmos apps since *virtually nobody* has been developing for that platform since it died a few years ago.
This new thing that palm is selling... is not palmos. Its "webos" and is basically what apple phone v1 was and what chromeos sounds like it will be... i.e. no locally installed apps (except phone stuff) - all apps are net apps.
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The sim is just a storage chip with a tiny amount of data on.. it doesn't actively do anything.
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While I doubt it's the cause of the overheating, SIM chips are more than just passive storage. They do contain processors and can perform calculations (one of the main functions of SIMs in phones is to provide cryptographic computation for network access.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_card
My phone only gets warm when I'm tethering, charging or downloading large files over 3G.
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It doesnt scale instantly.. cyanogen's done some init.rc mods to help this in his newer builds but theres always a reaction time between opening an app and the speed ramping up.
My properly configured g1 is pretty damn fast for a mobile device.. It sounds like you're ranting on about a problem you caused through lack of research. Good work.
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I actually leave my house now and then, so I rely on people like you to help me while throwing in a snotty comment at the end with these kinds of things because they bore me GOOD WORK THANKS
lbcoder said:
What new palmOS?
PalmOS is dead and isn't coming back unless someone picks up Access Linux (which is said to have a palmOS Garnet 6 VM only for legacy palmOS support), but that doesn't seem likely as they've been pushing it as stable for years and have yet to sell it to anybody. It is now also pointless to support legacy palmos apps since *virtually nobody* has been developing for that platform since it died a few years ago.
This new thing that palm is selling... is not palmos. Its "webos" and is basically what apple phone v1 was and what chromeos sounds like it will be... i.e. no locally installed apps (except phone stuff) - all apps are net apps.
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Oh for real? The hell with that, I'll take android's poopified linux over that junk any day
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I actually leave my house now and then, so I rely on people like you to help me while throwing in a snotty comment at the end with these kinds of things because they bore me GOOD WORK THANKS
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Ha. Snotty comments are the price you pay for getting help from geeks.
Enjoy the outside world.. I'll just sit here getting progressively more pale-skinned and bitter as I cry into my coffee about my ever worsening social isolation, dolefully masturbating into an old sock over thoughts of the ladies nipples I'll never see. Because that's what we do.
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I actually leave my house now and then, so I rely on people like you to help me while throwing in a snotty comment at the end with these kinds of things because they bore me GOOD WORK THANKS
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The snide comments are like little genuine seal of approvals that guarantee a real certified geek posted your reply. Let's compare a certified geek reply with an off-brand imposter:
The question:
I just upgraded from JF to Cyanogen but my G1 won't boot past the loading screen. HELP!
Geek Reply:
Reboot into recovery and wipe. And learn to search; this problem has been posted in the FAQ and many previous threads. Also I hope you get hit by a bus so the average aggregate human intelligence increases. <-- unbearably high pretentiousness authenticates the quality of the Geek reply.
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Non-geek reply:
Lulz i had dis problem to. I just thru my laem g1 away and got iphone 3G!
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Overheating
My phone got up to 102 once. It was from having it set at 583 MHz constant. I took it out of my pocket and almost dropped it because it was hot. Also as someone said earlier, it gets very hot while tethering. Any prolonged data use will cause it to heat up. I don't think it's really anything to worry about though. I'd imagine that it would cut off before any sort of damage could occur
I had been having ALOT of trouble with scrolling in text messages as well as websites absolutely sucking, and always jumping around when i wasnt touching the screen. I noticed in another forum that people who were having this problem (including me) have almost constant 3g data connections (the light in the tool bar is always lit). Initially I tried rebooting, and using advanced task kill to see if i could kill whatever the data hog was, but it didnt help.
I then discovered that by going to the settings in advanced task killer and setting security to low, that by killing everything (aka the tons of htc.* crap) that my 3g light no longer was lit like a christmas tree, and that scrolling actually worked. Everything on this phone seems snappier now, but maybe that is just a placebo effect. Either way im just happy I can actually read my older text messages again Give it a try if you cant scroll. Maybe someone wiser than I can figure what specific app is ****ing up the data connection. I dont think it is anything I installed, since I was already killing those with the normal security settings.
P.s. **** htc. If I wasn't stuck on my parent's plan I would jump ship on this p.o.s.
Root and remove the ****.
Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
Yeah, root and remove the sprint crap. I even removed Sense UI, and I have never had a lag problem. Even using 'overclock widget' to downscale dramatically when the phone is "turned off ".
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Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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HDMI, 8mp rear camera, front camera, and kickstand are the reasons I got it. Not screen size or 4g.
The only phone with similar specs (out right now) is the N900. It lacks the HDMI, has lower mp cameras (but they are likely better), has the outstanding 32gb of internal storage, and is every bit as hackable. Unfortunately, Nokia has essentially abandoned that phone otherwise I would be all over it.
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Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Cool story.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Samsung isn't the manufacturer you want to go to if you are upset with HTC's build quality (Samsung's current Android phone hardware track record is extremely checkered).
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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THIS. Sorry if this comes off as rude but seriously, it's getting tiring hearing people try to say this phone sucks and rubbing it in EVO owners' faces. It's a great phone even despite its downfalls. There are plenty of us who don't have all of the glaring problems. If you want a Galaxy S or a Droid X or a Droid 2 or a Droid Incredible then stop wasting your own time visitng the EVO forum and return your phone already. I swear, it's like people need to justify the fact that they bought something that they ultimately ended up not liking.
Point blank: If you don't like the phone and you want to return it, then DO it, instead of declaring it in every post and trying to rain on satisfied customers' parade.
As to the actual topic:
I'll try this in a second. I wasn't really having much lag or scrolling issues in the first place though. I think some EVOs are just defective.
I do have a question though: Did anyone notice that the amount of touch/scrolling lag seems to depend on the app that you're using? For example when I scroll in the app menu, it lags quite a bit before it starts scrolling. But in Handcent and Touiteur, I barely have any lag at all. The scrolling is also smoother in those apps as opposed to, say, the Engadget app which has some highly noticeable jerkiness to the text when you scroll really slow.
Is this an issue that the developers of the app control?
Edit: I did notice that things were a wee bit snappier accross the board but scrolling still seems about the same for me.
spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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I'm of the belief that people come to these forums because they do have an attachment to the EVO, and while they are upset about something, they are looking for reasons to keep the phone.
They want convincing evidence that they were correct in making the decision to purchase the EVO.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
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Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Where does it have the Evo beat????
from the link you so kindly provided....
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Key features
* Quad-band GSM and tri-band 3G support
* 7.2 Mbps HSDPA and 5.76 Mbps HSUPA support
* 4" 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen of WVGA (480 x 800 pixel) resolution
* Android OS v2.1 with TouchWiz 3.0 UI customization
* 1GHz Cortex A8 Hummingbird CPU; 512 MB of RAM
* 5 MP autofocus camera with face, smile and blink detection
* 720p HD video recording at 30fps
* Wi-Fi 802.11 b, g and n support
* GPS with A-GPS connectivity; Digital compass
* 8/16GB internal storage, microSD slot
* Accelerometer and proximity sensor
* Standard 3.5 mm audio jack
* microUSB port (charging) and stereo Bluetooth v3.0
* Stereo FM radio with RDS
* 1500 mAh Li-Ion battery
* Great audio quality
* Slim waistline at only 9.9mm thickness
* Document editor
* File manager comes preinstalled
* Secondary video-call camera
* Swype predictive text input
* Excellent choice of preinstalled applications
Main disadvantages
* No free GPS navigation solution
* No Flash support for the web browser
* No flash for the camera
* No dedicated camera key
* The all-plastic body is a real fingerprint magnet
* Feeble loudspeaker
Only thing it has is its internal storage which means nothing to me, I have 2 16GB, and 3 or 4 8GB cards. Space is erroneous in this day and age. Oh, and the Super AMOLED screen. That i have no argument for, even though its the same resolution, but .3" smaller.... And no word on a Froyo update for it yet. Awesome!
So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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As for lag, I have none. However, my phone wasnt stock for very long. I have removed Rosie, and all the Sprint apps. I use LauncherPro Beta for my home replacement. I have OC Widget set to underclock when the screen is off, and have AutoKiller running at 'Extreme' (I think since we have so much ram the lesser presets dont really do much). Also with my setup Im sure i could go at least 12 hours off the charger with moderate to heavy use.
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up? Because my Evo runs flawless. I know there are better setups than mine, even an overclocked one, but I like how my phone is and truthfully there is NO lag. Not when scrolling, nor on the keyboard (which is where i usually noticed lag on my Hero, even when it was overclocked).
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I'm running froyo v8 and there is no lag.
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So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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Weird, I thought 1ghz, and 1ghz were the same regardless of the maker... And i said storage is erroneous to ME. Also, if i need sixty billion colors i'll watch a blu ray on my HDTV.... not while trying to browse the web on a 4 inch display.... Also i never said it wouldnt be a competitor...
Quick question where can i check out one of these Galaxy phones? Thats right there not available. So until they come out and everyone has had a chance to play with it and find its flaws, just like the Evo and every other electronic device trying to live up to its own hype, then we shall see who is competing with who.
EDIT: Also if we are just comparing specs, then why not throw the HD2 in the ring? Should that be a competitor too?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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Ahh ok. I was going to say... My Blackbook is over two years old and still runs like a beast, but that could be the 4GB of RAM and the 7200rpm HD.
For the record though, mine arent claims, and i seriously believe that if Sprint didnt load all those crappy apps, and HTC would optimize Sense no one would have lag. With out the Sprint apps or Sense UI how could this phone not be blazing fast. I cant wait to play with a fully functional Froyo ROM. The improvements should yield a user noticeable difference.
Well, I have a few questions though...
1.) How's the battery life? I may use it for occasional web browsing and listening to music.
2.) I played with it for a minute when I was at costco. touch screen seems WAY much smother than my samsung impression. However, does it support multi touch?
3.) I noticed it has FM-Radio and integrated GPS. Are those features free or must be paid to be used? What about wifi?
4.) I don't plan on watching anything on my phone, but what about youtube; does it lag?
5.) FLAC support; actually, that's my BIGGEST concern. Is there any way to get FLAC to work?
6.) I noticed that it's a 600mhz cpu rather than the 1ghz snapdragon. Although, I've read reviews that it's still snappy and doesn't lag (assuming it's because it's smaller). But there's one particular app I'm interested in, though I'm not sure if it would work on the Aria: psx4droid.
1. pretty good. medium usage = day and a half. occasional browing and some music = maybe longer. I've let it sit idle for about 10 hours (work shift) and it only used about 5% of the battery.
2. yes
3. fm-radio is free, gps depends on what app you're using. If you're thinking of nav/maps, stick with the preinstalled google apps. ditch the att nav app (which you ahve to pay for)
4. no lag on 3g hq
5. i hear this works pretty well: androlib.com/android.application.net-avs234-tDqz.aspx
6. it works but is very laggy (less noticable with the sound off), the only game i've tried is ff7.
I was hoping more like a codec or something in order to get FLAC support with the android's media player.
Also, FF7 was the game I was crossing my fingers for... I was looking at it playing on the nexus one from youtube; guess it makes sense with the lack of snapdragon...
if you plan to root and flash in cya build, i hear they modded it to where you can play flac with the stock player.
as for ff7, it isn't too bad. It is a really consistent lag so it just seems like you're playing in slow motion :lol. You'll need to play it with the sound off though, as the choppy sound is definitely unbearable.
There's not really a codec type system for Android. Besides, the default player is very limited. There are a few options for getting FLAC to work, but for the most part you're looking at installing a new player, which really isn't that big of a deal. As far as what works best I'm not really sure. My friend (has a droidx) and I have started to look into it, but haven't done tried out too many solutions.
Since it was brought up I don't feel bad asking it here. Does froyo/cm6 give any improvement to emulators?
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amazon has it for 0.01 with 2 year upgrade
with regard to battery life, I am having to charge mine in the middle of the day to get it to last all day. it would go dead in 8 hours if I didn't.
of course, I use mine. I think 1.5 days would be astronomical battery life for this phone.
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Really? I'm always confused about the prices on amazon; it shows the price with a new 2 year contract, but nothing about upgrading. Are they the same price or do you have to click somewhere to find the upgrade cost (without signing into amazon).
if your are planning on play games on your phone... the Aria is not best choice...
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Since it was brought up I don't feel bad asking it here. Does froyo/cm6 give any improvement to emulators?
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i have gameboid installed on my aria and it works great, even on the stock rom (i would still definitely advise you root and install clockwork/cm6). i play mostly rpgs (ff6 currently) and it runs fantastically, sound and all. gameboid runs smoother and looks better on the aria than it did on any other phone i've had thus far.
as for action games, i'm not sure because i haven't tried.
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Really? I'm always confused about the prices on amazon; it shows the price with a new 2 year contract, but nothing about upgrading. Are they the same price or do you have to click somewhere to find the upgrade cost (without signing into amazon).
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wireless.amazon.com/HTC-Aria-Android-Phone-AT/dp/B003RCJA6S/ref=cell_dp_upa
on the right side of the page on that link, you'll see an option to upgrade. When you upgrade a individual line, it is 0.01, but if you are upgrading a line on a family account then it is a bit more: 99.99
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if your are planning on play games on your phone... the Aria is not best choice...
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Not the best, but it does the job.. and it does it pretty well.
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i have gameboid installed on my aria and it works great, even on the stock rom (i would still definitely advise you root and install clockwork/cm6). i play mostly rpgs (ff6 currently) and it runs fantastically, sound and all. gameboid runs smoother and looks better on the aria than it did on any other phone i've had thus far.
as for action games, i'm not sure because i haven't tried.
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could you try the psx4droid with ff7? I'm also curious if it performs significantly better on froyo
hey the aria is my first smartphone and i'm really enjoying it. had it for almost 2 months already.
anyways regarding the battery life question, if i do moderate work on the phone(texts, web,games, etc with syncs on manual, autobrightness, BT and GPS off, and killing att nav..attnavi kills my battery quicklyi), it'll last 1 1/2 to 2 days. if i dont touch it at all, i can do 3 days easily. the other day, i thought i'd keep track of my gaming. i spent about 1 hour playing a game which dropped my battery about 10% (from full). so if i were to use up my full battery, it'll probably last close to 9-10 hours straight.
also from what i read, the processor we have is quite similar to the snapdragon processor. i'd imagine the psx probably would be able to handle especially with froyo. our graphics is quite good and i think we can keep up with the snapdragons.
here's a link which may surprise you. the mytouch slide has the same internals as the aria i believe
http://androidandme.com/2010/06/news/high-end-android-gpu-showdown/
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Really? I'm always confused about the prices on amazon; it shows the price with a new 2 year contract, but nothing about upgrading. Are they the same price or do you have to click somewhere to find the upgrade cost (without signing into amazon).
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go here and put your zip code in and click availability and you should see it
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Aria-Andr..._rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=1266686442&pf_rd_i=htc aria
The longer you wait, it seems, the cheaper it gets.
My friend bought it for $50 with a contract upgrade.
I got suckered in by the addition of a free activation ($18).
Now it's free (but you pay the activation: total savings: $32).
Who knows? Soon they might pay you.
Three years ago I got what was one of the best non-smartphones I ever had (Sony Ericsson w820i, I think, or some number like that) with a $300 rebate!
i payed 50 to
was the phone w810? that's the one I have it a good phone
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Yeah, that's it! A great phone. 3-4 days on a battery charge, great audio. It did everything that smartphones do, just in an awkward way, slowly, and with a tiny screen. But I carried it all over the world, and still use it in my studio for a remote control (I wrote a HID profile to start, stop, record, erase over bluetooth).
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2011/03/ars-reviews-the-motorola-xoom.ars
Just read through the whole thing. Exhaustive review. 10 pages in all. Lots of information, esp. for someone like me who is on the fence about the device.
Just don't read the braindead comments...
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Thanks for this. I have been awaiting their review on the Xoom since they announced they were going to be doing an exhaustive one.
Only about halfway through, but I noticed something interesting. When discussing the browser and how most sites are still displaying the mobile version, he seemed to not have done any further searching as if he had, they probably would have found the "about:debug" fix. While I've heard that it isn't a persistent change, it still works out when in a pinch. Just thought it was odd they weren't aware/didn't do further searching on the issue.
Hm. So far this seems to be one of the better reviews out there (outside of the 10 pages of clicking...). Thanks for this.
Very good review. Ars Technica is one of the best Tech Blogs out there, and very rarely do their writers come across as fanboys of one OS or another. This review really confirmed to me that although the Xoom is a great start, it will likely be summer before I purchase an Android tablet to keep (mainly I'm waiting on flash, lower prices, microSD fixed, and more Honeycomb apps). I am very much in support of Honeycomb, but it's not time for me to buy yet.
Just bought a Xoom on Friday. Love it.
I started reading this review and I can't help to notice they say 7 hours of mixed use. I have had email notifications pushing, wifi on the whole time, and got 20 hours @ 50% battery left. This is leaving it on over night and playing games and messing with it for at least 3-4 hours straight, as well as syncing/transferring files, playing games like Words with Friends, etc. So I am very skeptical about this 14 hours of standby time. I got the device to 25 hours and it was still well over 30-35%.
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Just bought a Xoom on Friday. Love it.
I started reading this review and I can't help to notice they say 7 hours of mixed use. I have had email notifications pushing, wifi on the whole time, and got 20 hours @ 50% battery left. This is leaving it on over night and playing games and messing with it for at least 3-4 hours straight, as well as syncing/transferring files, playing games like Words with Friends, etc. So I am very skeptical about this 14 hours of standby time. I got the device to 25 hours and it was still well over 30-35%.
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That's the issue with discussion on battery life. Unless it's explicitly mentioned what was done, when and for how long, it's hard to gauge exactly could be considered "intensive use" and look at battery life that way.
Ars rocks. Hopefully google will speed things up a bit in regards to the current disadvantages of the Xoom. Thus far, most of them can be cleaned up with a couple of patches. Hopefully it happens soon.
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That's the issue with discussion on battery life. Unless it's explicitly mentioned what was done, when and for how long, it's hard to gauge exactly could be considered "intensive use" and look at battery life that way.
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Before charging mine for the second time yesterday when it was around 18%, I had reached 26-27 hours of use. This is after I played, oh I don't know, an hour of Gun Bros, an hour (if not more) of Hex Defense (I think that's what it's called), push notifications on from, gmail, Twitter, fb, browsing, etc. I literally didn't put it down for at least 4 hours straight at one point. The screen was on auto/a third brightness. I even listened to an entire album, so around an hour of music playing.
I really don't see how anyone can have the audacity to say it's standby doesn't last for at least 24 hours.
Did someone get an LTE equipped version that we don't know about? Otherwise I just don't see how that's possible.
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Before charging mine for the second time yesterday when it was around 18%, I had reached 26-27 hours of use. This is after I played, oh I don't know, an hour of Gun Bros, an hour (if not more) of Hex Defense (I think that's what it's called), push notifications on from, gmail, Twitter, fb, browsing, etc. I literally didn't put it down for at least 4 hours straight at one point. The screen was on auto/a third brightness. I even listened to an entire album, so around an hour of music playing.
I really don't see how anyone can have the audacity to say it's standby doesn't last for at least 24 hours.
Did someone get an LTE equipped version that we don't know about? Otherwise I just don't see how that's possible.
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Same here, at 32% battery I was at 29 hrs of use. And this was after nonstop usuage. It was a new toy and I just played around on it for hours. Battery is definitely solid.
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Same here, at 32% battery I was at 29 hrs of use. And this was after nonstop usuage. It was a new toy and I just played around on it for hours. Battery is definitely solid.
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So apparently Moto has stumbled across something here - an Android device that can be used AND last longer than 24 hours without a problem!
Now if only every device could follow in its footsteps... Sure, the battery is bigger than a phone, but so is the screen, not to mention all of the stuff crammed in it (like a barometer I have no idea how to use yet).
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The software is not particularly stable or robust
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It's the first device running Honeycomb. Even with that said, I haven't had any crashes or freezes. It's running great for me.
Requires a proprietary power adapter and can't charge through microUSB
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While frustrating it's understandable. The iPad has a proprietary power adapter and doesn't charge through USB. Plus the Xoom charges pretty quick
Users have to rely on the MTP protocol to manage media on the device
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Agreed, Google needs to build their own "iTunes"
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I disagree, I love the built in e-mail client. Regardless their are plenty of other options for Android, and will hopefully be built new for Xoom/Honeycomb.
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When the iPad came out, there were very few applications those first few weeks as well. It's a brand new OS.
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There are other options that do allow this.
Very few websites handle the Honeycomb browser's User-Agent string correctly
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You can change the UA string, or download a new browser. Hopefully it will be fixed in the future though.
The browser's support for advanced CSS3 features lags behind Safari's
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Haven't had any problems yet.
The browser issue is quite dissapoiting to me (as a web developer). I hoped for a full webkit browser with extensions. Maybe Firefox4 for Android will be better?
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The browser issue is quite dissapoiting to me (as a web developer). I hoped for a full webkit browser with extensions. Maybe Firefox4 for Android will be better?
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Extensions would be nice, and I can't believe Google still hasnt fixed typing lag in the browser yet (on some sites)
While the charger on the Ipad is "proprietary", its the same charger that is used on other devices of theirs. Also the Ipad will charge from USB, but very slowly.
I'm disappointed in their review. It's not very good, and seems in some spots like they're looking for something critical to talk about, like the default email client: yeah, it's not great, but it's been not-great for a while now, and isn't a Xoom-specific issue; they talk about future-proofing issues with browser rendering, correctly stress that it's not a big deal right now, but then make a big deal of it in the conclusion.
The review's written like the author doesn't really care about the device. Engadget's review seems a lot more balanced compared to this one.
(PS. Lots of reviews keep talking about the lack of tablet apps. Wasn't this _exactly_ the same issue when the iPad 1 came out?)
Most of the sites are apple bias they just don't admit it
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I'm disappointed in their review. It's not very good, and seems in some spots like they're looking for something critical to talk about, like the default email client: yeah, it's not great, but it's been not-great for a while now, and isn't a Xoom-specific issue; they talk about future-proofing issues with browser rendering, correctly stress that it's not a big deal right now, but then make a big deal of it in the conclusion.
The review's written like the author doesn't really care about the device. Engadget's review seems a lot more balanced compared to this one.
(PS. Lots of reviews keep talking about the lack of tablet apps. Wasn't this _exactly_ the same issue when the iPad 1 came out?)
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(PS. Lots of reviews keep talking about the lack of tablet apps. Wasn't this _exactly_ the same issue when the iPad 1 came out?)
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The iPad launched with ~2000 tablet apps. The Xoom launched with ~20
So what? The "non-tablet" apps still work great a la tapatalk
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The iPad launched with ~2000 tablet apps. The Xoom launched with ~20
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The iPad launched with ~2000 tablet apps. The Xoom launched with ~20
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I think you mean 2000 apps that were compatible with the iPad in full-screen. Google made the mistake of labeling the Tablet section in the Market as Tablet Apps. They have since corrected it to be Featured Tablet Apps. Most Android apps work fine on the Xoom, even if they don't support the new Honeycomb UI guidelines. Since Apple just threw their existing UI onto a larger device, there isn't really a comparison here.