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Xperia lags video drivers as well!!!

Buyer beware I just received an email from a good friend of mine stating he had the opportunity to test the xperia and he states it is slower than the tytnII. This shall be interesting.

the x1's and it's rom is not released yet how it will perform in q4 when it does one can only guess
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Qe_ohf0Re4
in this clip it seem to run ok

redbandana said:
Buyer beware I just received an email from a good friend of mine stating he had the opportunity to test the xperia and he states it is slower than the tytnII. This shall be interesting.
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Well i wouldnt be surprised by your friends claim seeing as the unit isnt even in final production. One of my friends has played with a pre-production unit and said the same thing but also said that he is pretty damn sure that when the final retail unit is out...it will be perfectly fine.

many new PDA lack of video and 2d acceleration, if Sony taking seriously they should make open /sdk driver,

Can anybody say Samsung Omnia

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Well i wouldnt be surprised by your friends claim seeing as the unit isnt even in final production. One of my friends has played with a pre-production unit and said the same thing but also said that he is pretty damn sure that when the final retail unit is out...it will be perfectly fine.
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I finally just received confirmation that the device he messed around with was the pre-production unit as well. Sorry for posting anything misleading I often jump ahead of myself when I get excited.

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I finally just received confirmation that the device he messed around with was the pre-production unit as well. Sorry for posting anything misleading I often jump ahead of myself when I get excited.
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no worries ... we all do ...
samsung ...
Alternate Names: Samsung i900
Manufacturer: Samsung Inc.
Predecessor: Samsung i830
Operating System: Windows Mobile Professional 6.1
Screen Resolution: 240-by-400-Pixels WQGA Screen
Dimensions : 112 by 56.9 by 12.5
Processor Marwell 624 Mhz
Camera: 5 MP with geotaging, auto focus, image stabilizer, face detection etc etc...
GPS Included
User Interface TouchViz UI
Data HSDPA 7.2
with these specs it is definitely nothing to sneeze at ... especially 5mp camera but for me a hardware keyboard is a must ...

AllTheWay said:
Can anybody say Samsung Omnia
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I was waiting for the X1, but now, the omnia is looking very, very nice.. Would we have a forum on the Omnia?

www.gsmelite.com
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I was waiting for the X1, but now, the omnia is looking very, very nice.. Would we have a forum on the Omnia?
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X1 Is going to be a Iphone Killer. Period
Omnia will be featured on my site, coming soon
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Its nothing misleading, its a fact, i have 2 of the units and the playback is more than slow, its slower than the the tytn II i can tell..maybe when the rom are out..
kepp you posted
bR

What application and what kind of media files did you use for playback?
If you also own a TyTN II, how is the 3G reception quality in comparison? Is X1 better, equal or worse?

Omnia is nothing special really, just yet another (W)QVGA device which is poor for web browsing and remote desktop use compared to (W)VGA devices. The screen is most important feature of a phone, because that's what you spend all your time looking at, and all your apps run in it!

The X1 is rendering everything very smoothly and fast. I've yet to see any lag on Tom Tom, spb Shell etc. And sl9 is right, it's the screen that counts, it's razor sharp, you wont be disappointed.

what about the extra resolution compared to standard vga on touch pro?
is the top bar bigger or something cause all the apps are a certain resolution its strange to me how they fit on the x1s screen

Most apps I've tried so far has somehow managed to run without any flaws on the WVGA-screen. It isn't stretched or anything.

The only thing I would add is that you can't use QVGA apps/skins very well. And when in Lanscape mode is where you'll notice that it doesn't quite fit right.
Take spb Shell for example, in landscape there is this empty area that appears between the main info and the 4 buttons. It's well done because it's not stretching out, just moved over. It doesn't look bad.

tjex said:
The only thing I would add is that you can't use QVGA apps/skins very well. And when in Lanscape mode is where you'll notice that it doesn't quite fit right.
Take spb Shell for example, in landscape there is this empty area that appears between the main info and the 4 buttons. It's well done because it's not stretching out, just moved over. It doesn't look bad.
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Have you witnessed video lag?

Nope, nothing so far, but I haven't really installed that much stuff on it.

tjex said:
Nope, nothing so far, but I haven't really installed that much stuff on it.
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Just try to watch a video

[Tracy and Matt Blog] RAM clarified?

I noticed they answered a lot of questions which have been asked here aswell:
What's the in-call sound quality like?
In-call the X1 is ok. There's plenty of volume from the speaker meaning that I don't need to have it set to maximum. The speaker itself is also reasonably good.
What is the actual RAM in the device?
The X1 has 384 MB RAM but you'll note that the device information screen says 256MB. This is because the X1 also has an additional 128MB RAM that's only accessible to the CPU/3D chip.
What is the Spb Panel like?
There's a version of Spb Mobile Shell pre-installed on the X1. I'm sure fans of mobile shell will like this version but I still prefer TouchFlo.
How much free memory available on the device with Panels running and with Panels turned off?
With just the standard Windows Mobile screen in use it's showing as having 137MB free, this amount only seems to vary by a few MB with the moste complex panels loaded.
Black or Silver? Which one do you think is best?
I personally prefer the black.
How is the speed switching between portrait and landscape with active panels?
Depends on the panel that you have open at the time. Some panels have more on them so take a little longer to rotate. I personally do think it's too big a deal, half a second perhaps.
How is the sound output quality of the media player? Is it good enough to use high-end headphones with, and how does it compare with more music-oriented phones like the iPhone or Nokia 5800?
I've got some fairly expensive headphones that I've been using with the X1. The audio quality is really quite good, I'm certainly happy with it. I can't really choose between the X1 and my Sony Walkman MP3 player in this respect.
How well does the FM radio work? How is its reception in areas with weak signals?
I live in an area which is very poor for radio and phone coverage. With the Touch Diamond, I am unable to pick up and FM Radio service but on the X1 I can pick up a few of the local stations. What I also like about the X1 is that you can play the radio through the phone's loudspeaker, although you still have to have the headphones connected as an aerial.
How well does it hold on to cellular signals during calls?
As I said above, I live in an area that's really poor for phone coverage and all the networks are bad. The X1 shows 1 to 2 bars of coverage on Orange where the Touch Pro and the Touch Diamond get no reception at all. Definitely better than the Touch devices in that respect but nowhere near as good as a basic Nokia handset!
Is the hardware fast enough to cope with several applications in the background?
Have been opening and closing applications all day, playing music and videos, browsing the internet using Opera and playing with MSN and emails. Seems ok to me, haven't really noticed a slow down due to the apps that I am running.
How quickly does using GPS, 3G/HSDPA and Wi-Fi drain the battery?
Very difficult to comment on the battery life at this early stage but it looks like being better than the Diamond and on par with, if not better than, the Touch Pro. There is a bigger battery on the X1 so perhaps no surprise that it would last longer. Once I settle down and use it during the week I'll be in a better position to comment.
Full article here:
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php

Thx, for sharing. But still think Silver looks better

Finally!!! A couple of us asked 'em these question a couple of days back at http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs...ony-ericsson-xperia-x1-delayed-again#comments.
Finally!!!

So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
lol
Battery life is "on par with, if not better than the Touch Pro"... Its battery is 160 mAh more, and they guaranteed you can put it through heavy usage and not have to charge more than once at night. The Touch Pro can't do that.

Black93300ZX said:
So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
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Black, Matt says: "I personally do think it's [not] too big a deal, half a second perhaps."
Half a second to me is not bad. Furthermore, in videos i have seen, only one animation can seem a bit slow at times, but not that slow either, so let it go.
Furthermore... signals are better than HTC Touch.

Black93300ZX said:
So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
lol
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Another thing, Matt also says: "Have been opening and closing applications all day, playing music and videos, browsing the internet using Opera and playing with MSN and emails. Seems ok to me, haven't really noticed a slow down due to the apps that I am running."
Overall the phone is great in terms of Speed and performance. A slight lag on heavier panels - from half a second to a second - is not that slow either.

msalmank said:
Black, Matt says: "I personally do think it's [not] too big a deal, half a second perhaps."
Half a second to me is not bad. Furthermore, in videos i have seen, only one animation can seem a bit slow at times, but not that slow either, so let it go.
Furthermore... signals are better than HTC Touch.
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Yes it lags sometimes - but I have used many many WM devices and this by far the quickest yet overall. The only thing coming close would be the Samsung SGHI-780 - but I couldn´t stand the small screen. And the quality of the X1 makes so you don´t wanna stop using it Its so sexy on the desk so you can´t stop touching it

Black93300ZX said:
Battery life is "on par with, if not better than the Touch Pro"... Its battery is 160 mAh more, and they guaranteed you can put it through heavy usage and not have to charge more than once at night. The Touch Pro can't do that.
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You only quoted part of his statement: "Very difficult to comment on the battery life at this early stage but it looks like being better than the Diamond and on par with, if not better than, the Touch Pro. There is a bigger battery on the X1 so perhaps no surprise that it would last longer. Once I settle down and use it during the week I'll be in a better position to comment"
He says that it'll probably last longer than the battery on Touch Pro, but he doesn't comment for sure at this point as he'll need to use it more and confirm.

easycure1974 said:
Yes it lags sometimes - but I have used many many WM devices and this by far the quickest yet overall. The only thing coming close would be the Samsung SGHI-780 - but I couldn´t stand the small screen. And the quality of the X1 makes so you don´t wanna stop using it Its so sexy on the desk so you can´t stop touching it
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Lol! Now i simply can't wait to get my hands on it. Oh how i wish it was launched here in Pakistan or in Dubai...

He does confirm one thing thought, that with Xperia you'll end up using the stylus more than you would on Touch Pro. In TP one normally only requires the stylus when inside the windows system, and that too doesn't really require a stylus. I'm guessing - as someone tweaked their Xperia - that we can increase font-size a bit to come over this problem and make Xperia more touch-friendly eventually.

msalmank said:
Lol! Now i simply can't wait to get my hands on it. Oh how i wish it was launched here in Pakistan or in Dubai...
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Even my wife that hates WM devices and loves her Iphone finds it sexy and good looking This is my first WM device that she has played with so I guess her Iphone soon is up for sale

So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
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I'm curious as how can he says that; and then secondly I'm very curious as to why SE dedicated 128MB of RAM for the graphics; allow me to requote what I'm thinking here
5. allocating a 128 MB of RAM into X1's gpu is not so logical since even in the days of geforce 2 desktop gpus, gpus with 64 MB of RAM already support and capable of displaying 3D up to 2 MP (1600*1200) display! It will be hard for me to believe that all these smartphones of this generation need more than 64 MB of VRAM, since they would only render 'primitive' 3D apps (which is quite equivalent to 3D PC games in the geforce 2 era).
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adding a 'huge' VRAM won't make a difference in X1 if it (the addition) aimed as a performance booster, what will make differences is software optimalization such as drivers, not adding more VRAM.
Or, is WM that bad in 3D?

nap007 said:
I'm curious as how can he says that; and then secondly I'm very curious as to why SE dedicated 128MB of RAM for the graphics; allow me to requote what I'm thinking here
adding a 'huge' VRAM won't make a difference in X1 if it (the addition) aimed as a performance booster, what will make differences is software optimalization such as drivers, not adding more VRAM.
Or, is WM that bad in 3D?
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I also can´t understand how they could dedicate 128 MB to the graphics if it is true - it sounds like a overkill. But I am happy either way - the phone is quick and nice

Black93300ZX said:
So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
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Remember RAM doesnt always make things faster. It just helps with multitasking and storing data for quick retrieval later. You can give an IGP in a computer a gig of RAM and it'll still be horribly slow.
Anyway, I'm not sure if we can take their word about the dedicated VRAM. After all... they did say it was dedicated to the CPU/3D chip, which makes no sense unless they meant GPU?

easycure1974 said:
I also can´t understand how they could dedicate 128 MB to the graphics if it is true - it sounds like a overkill. But I am happy either way - the phone is quick and nice
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Its actually dedicated for both the CPU and the GPU, where the other 256MB is for applications etc. Its really not that hard to understand. The comparison with old Geforce2 doesn't make any sense either. They are very different pieces of hardware. As for dedication, it makes a lot of sense. While I don't think the X1 is going to be anything advanced in mobile phone gaming, the allotted ram should make for smoother playback on DVD quality videos. That might otherwise drain the system resources relying completely on software and application RAM to run.

Its actually dedicated for both the CPU and the GPU
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where did you get that? This is the first time I heard something like that for a phone.

nap007 said:
where did you get that? This is the first time I heard something like that for a phone.
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The guy who reviewed it said this. If you read the article in post#1

re read again that article, the reviewer said CPU or 3D not both
besides, my question also valid toward that article, where did he get that? Did he open the phone and looked into the RAM chips or what?

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What is the actual RAM in the device?
Matt:
The X1 has 384 MB RAM but you’ll note that the device information screen says 256MB. This is because the X1 also has an additional 128MB RAM that’s only accessible to the CPU/3D chip.
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Is this true? I don’t think Matt can know this (128MB RAM for CPU/3D) by the normal review. Is there any ways for end users to check/confirm?

ahyi said:
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What is the actual RAM in the device?
Matt:
The X1 has 384 MB RAM but you’ll note that the device information screen says 256MB. This is because the X1 also has an additional 128MB RAM that’s only accessible to the CPU/3D chip.
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Is this true? I don’t think Matt can know this (128MB RAM for CPU/3D) by the normal review. Is there any ways for end users to check/confirm?
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This question has been placed to him already and hopefully we'll get a reply soon. In my opinion, he meant to write GPU/3D chip and not CPU.
I am pretty certain that this is the case - that the 3D chip has 128 MB - especially when SE guys have been claiming overall RAM to be 384.

Bye Bye Hero

I have had my Hero for one week, great UI, very laggy and as for media even my Blackberry Bold beats it. This UI needs better hardware, it DESERVES better hardware. I have seem some positives from the Android OS but I'll stick with RIM for now.
So it's going back in the box, along with the 16GB MicroSD and brand new case and going on EBay.

Yep sadly I'm leaning that way to... it's to slow (most to the time), to bugged (all of the time) and like you said useless at media.
I wonder how good the LG BL40 is?

I'm still hoping for a decent update that will fix the lag because the phone. It seems plausible because Hero works okay right after the reboot.
If they wont fix the lag and my BT issue I'm going to sell it also

Did the iphone work great right after launch? Nope. Same with any new handset - I've no doubt there is going to be firmware updates that address most of the problems and speeding up the ui is probably one of them.

I am not experiencing these issues, used mine for 10 days. Lag - very slight very occasional, but nothing like WM6 devices, hardly noticeable. Find the hero a delight, installed 15 apps, added 8GB card. I do find i need to use taskiller after browser sessions to close the browser, same with default twitter app.
The only issue that concerns me is the signal strength at home is low compared to my HTC Tytn - but then again the Tytn is only so good at reception thanks to trying a multitude of radio's from XDA!
Build: 1.76.61.3
Soft: 1.0.0A6288
Firm 1.5

kevinof said:
Did the iphone work great right after launch? Nope. Same with any new handset - I've no doubt there is going to be firmware updates that address most of the problems and speeding up the ui is probably one of them.
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Erm, actually the iPhone (1st Gen) worked quite well out of the box...
The Sense UI is an overlay on top of Android, IMHO I think the device needs a better processor or maybe it could get away with more memory. I used Advanced Task Killer and that done some very weird things, as I mentioned the media is not very good, I had stuttering MP3 playback, it can't play AVI, you have to get a AVI player for that. One thing that REALLY impressed me though was Market Place - Best of the lot I would say. I also liked the fact the screen cleans very easy...
The customizable UI is good, but for me at times the phone would grind to a halt, I even had to do a battery pull (Ah Win Mob Days) to get the thing to work again.

had mine from day one
and i have had no speed problems at all....more than happy with it
good luck with what ever you try next.

I'll just stick with the Blackberry Bold for now, I have my old faithful (Samsung i780) in reserve. I thought about the Touch Pro 2, but I think my missus would shoot me if I turn up with another phone

Had mine for 3 weeks now, and there has been no freezing and very very little lag, I am more than happy with it.

StellaDel said:
I'll just stick with the Blackberry Bold for now, I have my old faithful (Samsung i780) in reserve. I thought about the Touch Pro 2, but I think my missus would shoot me if I turn up with another phone
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I came from a Touch Pro 2 to the Hero, more than happy with the change.

nicelad_uk said:
I came from a Touch Pro 2 to the Hero, more than happy with the change.
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Having had the iPhone and now the Hero I don't think I am a big fan of touch screen keyboards. Don't get me wrong, both of those phones the keyboards are okay - just me wanting something more tactile probably.

For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.

I'm more than happy with the phone, wouldnt trade it for anything else at the moment!! Can't say Ive had much lag at all... although im quite excited by the idea of a new ROM! Any ideas when this would be?

iammorris said:
For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.
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I hope you're not lying because you made me feel a little excited.

what's soon?
anyway, i've had a stutter here or there, but nothing big, also mostly when i force it, unlock the device and before the clock went through it's animation go swiping to other pages, such
tried TasKiller and Advanced Task Manager, then read that Android isn't WM and i don't have to kill processes, it will do it when it needs memory, so i uninstalled both and am running it clean now, seems to be working just fine without messing with tasks :/

iammorris said:
For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.
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I hope your source is right, and I hope soon means next week

For those you you with the Hero I hope the "rumor" is right.

iammorris said:
For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.
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My fingers are crossed, but how soon is soon? Not that I would get rid of this phone.

i almost put mine on ebay today to go back to my iphone, but every time i ditch something a patch comes out the next day, so i'm keeping it.
the lag is not that bad, but the iphone had no lag at all.

iammorris said:
For those of you who think the lag is enough to make you want to sell the phone, you may want to hold off just a little while.
I have a very reliable source who has confirmed that HTC will be releasing a very, very speedy ROM soon.
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Oh... only 28 posts and no source... well... I really don't want to say that I don't believe you... but untill you or somebody else can show some proof I am gonna think you're full of it....

what can Leo do?

hi all
I'm curious that what can Leo do? After a lot of video of it to show how it's great..where are the strengths and weaknesses of it? Is it a really smart phone?
Thank for your all care!

there are plenty of reviews on the internet, read them.
oh and it is really a smartphone just like almost all listed on this forum

tibursio said:
there are plenty of reviews on the internet, read them.
oh and it is really a smartphone just like almost all listed on this forum
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I know it..I'm searching all the information about it every my free time then..but what I want here is can Leo have got some smart function like Iphone?

oh dear...

mrkyo said:
I know it..I'm searching all the information about it every my free time then..but what I want here is can Leo have got some smart function like Iphone?
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care to explain what a smart function is

Yes what can it actually do?
HTC has blown us bigtime again.
It can´t do enything you expect it to do, exept looking really nice.
HTC cant expect us to always relly on XDA all the time.
This whole scenario reminds me of "the blackstone affair".
When I bought the blackstone I was convinced, after reading almost everything there were to read about it, it was the best phone ever made.
I was convinced this community would fix every flaw.
Everyboy just assumed the xda devs would fix things.
Ok, XDA have made blackstone better that it was at first, but its not the killerphone
I was expecting it to be.
Now after reading about Leo I get the same fealing.
I mean, were is the native multitouch support. I have read posts were people just assume xda will get that. It still have a GPS-lag. No USB-host, wich everyone seam to just say: XDA will get that. It wont! It is just too hard and to time consuming.
So what can Leo do, except look good?
For 700 euro I had expected a lot more!

You cant get everything in one phone "master" daniel....

janne303 said:
You cant get everything in one phone "master" daniel....
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I know and it makes med sad.
I have bean in this buying coma and just got woken up,
and realised I cant get everything in one phone, if I chose to buy a
HTC phone...
But how come a phone with killer hardware still havent got more to offer,
when both samsung and toshiba G01 has more things to make use of the
hardware?
So what can it do? What use do I have of Leos hardware?
I think this is a nice thread with a good topic.

then don't buy a Leo, simple huh?

Toshiba TG01 lags, care to explain me why? Yet it has the same processor as the HD2. So what is the use of the hardware there (same question)? Same thing on the samsung. Every phone has a fault or something that won't make everyone happen, that's just how it is.
No manufacturer will ever make a phone with everything in it, it's not just HTC that does this. It shouldn't make you sad either, you would do the same if you ran that company, otherwise would bring them about ruin

dont confuse HTC with windows, and iPhone with its respected OS..
HTC made this phone, made a monster, whether it does everything you want or not, its personal opinion, but HTC did make a phone, not the operating system, which is where we get to Windows Mobile, with that OS it depends on the people who make programs for each phone, but we have a ton of windows mobile devices, where each one should have its software designed for it. Now i agree with u, Windows Mobile didnt give us unlimited app's options, they left a big part of that in the hands of other programmers, which is why we are all here on XDA
The iPhone on the other hand, they made the 3 versions of the phone, with all the app's, and then released it, even tho around 90% of the apps are a joke that u install 1 time, play with it for 5 minutes and uninstall it, its still a huge amount of applications.
So you cant really ask if the HD2 can do what the iPhone does, it just takes time for the developers take that "everything i want" and put it into each program
edit: (and i really had to do this ): Dont ask what the Leo can do for you, ask what you can do for your Leo!

^Well said! and great expression 'Dont ask what the Leo can do for you, ask what you can do for your Leo' LOL

ibsa03 said:
edit: (and i really had to do this ): Dont ask what the Leo can do for you, ask what you can do for your Leo!
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Maybe you are right

ibsa03 said:
Dont ask what the Leo can do for you, ask what you can do for your Leo!
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I expect my phone to be useful to me, not the other way round.

Oh, don't worry, it will be usefull.
Only problem will be could you use all of it's potentials... and find a way to do that...

Gaining post count
Well, seems to me new users badly need postcounts to get a free HSPL when the time comes.
Someone said, ..O dear... (that what spot on)
For the rest, if people really want 1 device that can do it all, buy
the HTC Shift.
This Hybrid OS device does everything from detecting Higgs particles to transdimensional teleportation, GSM calling and Windows 7 / Windows Mobile 6.1 with HDSPA and builtin stereo speakers and then some.

First impressions...
Ok, here some first user experience after half a day:
PRO's:
- The screen is HUGE!
- Flat device
- New TouchFlo + "multitouch" (only zooming), pressuresensitive
- Most applications and functions are fingerfriendly
- Fast(er than Topaz). See my new benchmark thread
- Led flash (not very good, but better than nothing)
- Much program memory 336 Mb
- Flat leather case, simpel but usefull I think
- 3,5 mm connection
- New micro-usb connection (is that a pro?)
CON's:
- The device is huge! To be honest I was a bit shocked when I first saw it. It's very "wide"...
- My first impression is that the screen is good but no better than the (small) Topaz screen
- Storage memory is low, only 183 Mb
- No stylus! At the moment a big issue for me. Not everything is fingerfriendly, so much frustration. Scrolling is hell! CERTAINLY AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE SCREEN DOESN'T RESPOND ON A STYLUS OR OTHER SHARP OBJECT!!! Hope I will get used to this soon.
- Camera sticks out. The camrea sticks out of the back of the device so the device rests on the silver edges of the camera. Not good for the silver, not good for the camera.
All in all it's impressive...!
Report later when I'm a bit more used to it.
(My Topaz screen look sooooo small now.....)

I completly agree with ETHANIAs first post.
There is also one BIG CON:
"Pretty much all videos under 720p played just fine without any dropped frames. The HTC HD2 has similar issues as Acer neoTouch and has even worse performance. While the neoTouch managed to play the 720p videos with 15-17 fps, the HD2 has an output of only 12-13 frames per second. Not that any of those is actually watchable but it gives you an idea. We guess the graphics subsystem of the Acer neoTouch has a few tricks under its sleeve and it's not a matter of pure CPU clock comparison."
taken from: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-review-415p3.php
and i should pay 700€ for this???
Sorry, not me!

6ak said:
I completly agree with ETHANIAs first post.
There is also one BIG CON:
"Pretty much all videos under 720p played just fine without any dropped frames. The HTC HD2 has similar issues as Acer neoTouch and has even worse performance. While the neoTouch managed to play the 720p videos with 15-17 fps, the HD2 has an output of only 12-13 frames per second. Not that any of those is actually watchable but it gives you an idea. We guess the graphics subsystem of the Acer neoTouch has a few tricks under its sleeve and it's not a matter of pure CPU clock comparison."
taken from: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-review-415p3.php
and i should pay 700€ for this???
Sorry, not me!
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I wonder why you even bother to write this. By now we all know HTC won't do anything with this type of comment.
Nice to share but if you don't want it (don't you?), just don't buy it. Indeed it saves you 700 euro. (by the way in Holland they are cheaper...).
And I am a happy owner.

pietrucci said:
I wonder why you even bother to write this. By now we all know HTC won't do anything with this type of comment.
Nice to share but if you don't want it (don't you?), just don't buy it. Indeed it saves you 700 euro. (by the way in Holland they are cheaper...).
And I am a happy owner.
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I have TOUCH HD and i am dissapointed with it. Yes you are right, i really dont think to buy it (not yet ). I wish you luck with yours HD 2.
Any link for buying in Holland?

Scrolling/Lag Fix?

I had been having ALOT of trouble with scrolling in text messages as well as websites absolutely sucking, and always jumping around when i wasnt touching the screen. I noticed in another forum that people who were having this problem (including me) have almost constant 3g data connections (the light in the tool bar is always lit). Initially I tried rebooting, and using advanced task kill to see if i could kill whatever the data hog was, but it didnt help.
I then discovered that by going to the settings in advanced task killer and setting security to low, that by killing everything (aka the tons of htc.* crap) that my 3g light no longer was lit like a christmas tree, and that scrolling actually worked. Everything on this phone seems snappier now, but maybe that is just a placebo effect. Either way im just happy I can actually read my older text messages again Give it a try if you cant scroll. Maybe someone wiser than I can figure what specific app is ****ing up the data connection. I dont think it is anything I installed, since I was already killing those with the normal security settings.
P.s. **** htc. If I wasn't stuck on my parent's plan I would jump ship on this p.o.s.

Root and remove the ****.

Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
Yeah, root and remove the sprint crap. I even removed Sense UI, and I have never had a lag problem. Even using 'overclock widget' to downscale dramatically when the phone is "turned off ".
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Negrito said:
Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.

madsquabbles said:
other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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HDMI, 8mp rear camera, front camera, and kickstand are the reasons I got it. Not screen size or 4g.
The only phone with similar specs (out right now) is the N900. It lacks the HDMI, has lower mp cameras (but they are likely better), has the outstanding 32gb of internal storage, and is every bit as hackable. Unfortunately, Nokia has essentially abandoned that phone otherwise I would be all over it.

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dever76 said:
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.

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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Cool story.

dever76 said:
You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Samsung isn't the manufacturer you want to go to if you are upset with HTC's build quality (Samsung's current Android phone hardware track record is extremely checkered).

spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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Internet Drama Queens

spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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THIS. Sorry if this comes off as rude but seriously, it's getting tiring hearing people try to say this phone sucks and rubbing it in EVO owners' faces. It's a great phone even despite its downfalls. There are plenty of us who don't have all of the glaring problems. If you want a Galaxy S or a Droid X or a Droid 2 or a Droid Incredible then stop wasting your own time visitng the EVO forum and return your phone already. I swear, it's like people need to justify the fact that they bought something that they ultimately ended up not liking.
Point blank: If you don't like the phone and you want to return it, then DO it, instead of declaring it in every post and trying to rain on satisfied customers' parade.
As to the actual topic:
I'll try this in a second. I wasn't really having much lag or scrolling issues in the first place though. I think some EVOs are just defective.
I do have a question though: Did anyone notice that the amount of touch/scrolling lag seems to depend on the app that you're using? For example when I scroll in the app menu, it lags quite a bit before it starts scrolling. But in Handcent and Touiteur, I barely have any lag at all. The scrolling is also smoother in those apps as opposed to, say, the Engadget app which has some highly noticeable jerkiness to the text when you scroll really slow.
Is this an issue that the developers of the app control?
Edit: I did notice that things were a wee bit snappier accross the board but scrolling still seems about the same for me.

spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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I'm of the belief that people come to these forums because they do have an attachment to the EVO, and while they are upset about something, they are looking for reasons to keep the phone.
They want convincing evidence that they were correct in making the decision to purchase the EVO.

dever76 said:
You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Where does it have the Evo beat????
from the link you so kindly provided....
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Key features
* Quad-band GSM and tri-band 3G support
* 7.2 Mbps HSDPA and 5.76 Mbps HSUPA support
* 4" 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen of WVGA (480 x 800 pixel) resolution
* Android OS v2.1 with TouchWiz 3.0 UI customization
* 1GHz Cortex A8 Hummingbird CPU; 512 MB of RAM
* 5 MP autofocus camera with face, smile and blink detection
* 720p HD video recording at 30fps
* Wi-Fi 802.11 b, g and n support
* GPS with A-GPS connectivity; Digital compass
* 8/16GB internal storage, microSD slot
* Accelerometer and proximity sensor
* Standard 3.5 mm audio jack
* microUSB port (charging) and stereo Bluetooth v3.0
* Stereo FM radio with RDS
* 1500 mAh Li-Ion battery
* Great audio quality
* Slim waistline at only 9.9mm thickness
* Document editor
* File manager comes preinstalled
* Secondary video-call camera
* Swype predictive text input
* Excellent choice of preinstalled applications
Main disadvantages
* No free GPS navigation solution
* No Flash support for the web browser
* No flash for the camera
* No dedicated camera key
* The all-plastic body is a real fingerprint magnet
* Feeble loudspeaker
Only thing it has is its internal storage which means nothing to me, I have 2 16GB, and 3 or 4 8GB cards. Space is erroneous in this day and age. Oh, and the Super AMOLED screen. That i have no argument for, even though its the same resolution, but .3" smaller.... And no word on a Froyo update for it yet. Awesome!
So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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As for lag, I have none. However, my phone wasnt stock for very long. I have removed Rosie, and all the Sprint apps. I use LauncherPro Beta for my home replacement. I have OC Widget set to underclock when the screen is off, and have AutoKiller running at 'Extreme' (I think since we have so much ram the lesser presets dont really do much). Also with my setup Im sure i could go at least 12 hours off the charger with moderate to heavy use.
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer

frifox said:
All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up? Because my Evo runs flawless. I know there are better setups than mine, even an overclocked one, but I like how my phone is and truthfully there is NO lag. Not when scrolling, nor on the keyboard (which is where i usually noticed lag on my Hero, even when it was overclocked).
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I'm running froyo v8 and there is no lag.

Negrito said:
So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.

Negrito said:
His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.

k2snowboards88 said:
You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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Weird, I thought 1ghz, and 1ghz were the same regardless of the maker... And i said storage is erroneous to ME. Also, if i need sixty billion colors i'll watch a blu ray on my HDTV.... not while trying to browse the web on a 4 inch display.... Also i never said it wouldnt be a competitor...
Quick question where can i check out one of these Galaxy phones? Thats right there not available. So until they come out and everyone has had a chance to play with it and find its flaws, just like the Evo and every other electronic device trying to live up to its own hype, then we shall see who is competing with who.
EDIT: Also if we are just comparing specs, then why not throw the HD2 in the ring? Should that be a competitor too?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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Ahh ok. I was going to say... My Blackbook is over two years old and still runs like a beast, but that could be the 4GB of RAM and the 7200rpm HD.
For the record though, mine arent claims, and i seriously believe that if Sprint didnt load all those crappy apps, and HTC would optimize Sense no one would have lag. With out the Sprint apps or Sense UI how could this phone not be blazing fast. I cant wait to play with a fully functional Froyo ROM. The improvements should yield a user noticeable difference.