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Yes....the battery on this ALSO gets hot

Just FYI...
Reminiscent of my Diamond, when actively using the HD for a prolonged period, the battery area heats up almost as much as on the Diamond (plus I swear I just noticed a little screen dimming/flicker on it a short while ago - exactly as my Diamond does!)
It's not something that, on it's own, bothers me enough to attempt a re-flash (on the diamond anyway, given I'm not really very au fait with such things and really don't want to brick it...) but something I know was addressed in some of the cooked ROM's for that - so I guess you guys want to hear about issues with the HD/Blackstone as well.

This happened on my old Kaiser too, often if it was being used as a GPS for any prolonged period - it seems to be an issue with the Qualcomm chipset, and it's pretty shameful that it's still occuring on brand new devices. I don't think it's very healthy at all - overheating like this could easily shorten the lives of other electronic components even if the chip itself can take it, and it will be bad (potentially even dangerous) for the battery as well. There's some very poor hardware design going on here somewhere.

This also happens on my asus p750, so i think it is normal that devices get hot when you use gps or hsdpa.

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I agree this phenomen only occur using GPS.
But happens on all the hTC device with builtin GPS like Cruise,Dimond and now Blackstone.Don't know is this very healthy for the device.

Well I hate to say it, but my iPhone never runs hot, despite having a faster processor inside. It's not good enough to say "it's fast so of course it gets hot" - they could have put a Core 2 Duo in there and that'd be really fast, but it would also catch fire after a couple of minutes. The trick with mobile processors is to make them run fast enough, and cool enough, to do the job safely and well - and I think HTC (or perhaps Qualcomm) are pushing that margin too far, somewhere along the line.
Make no mistake, everytime it overheats like that, it's having a big knock on effect on your battery's health, and on the lifespan of various other components inside.

boba23 said:
Alright man, I can't judge it yet, since I won't get mine till tomorrow. But what you are saying here is simply .... well strange.
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Not strange, just common sense. Every component has an operating temperature range, and the closer it gets to the top of that range, the more strain it's being put under.
You seriously think that HTC puts out devices, that they haven't tested for operating within a safe temperature range?
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No, of course not, they have to gain FCC approval after all. They'll be within safe ranges, and there'll be a designed-in behaviours for when those ranges are exceeded (eg immediate shutdown), but that doesn't mean these are the best possible hardware designs or that these operating temperatures are particularly healthy for the device's longevity, it just means they aren't going to explode. Probably.
I really don't think unless the back of the device doesn't get REALLY HOT, that this will influence the device lifetime in any way.
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"REALLY HOT" is a pretty subjective measurement - I'd say my Kaiser did get "REALLY HOT" on some occasions, and there was an immediate influence on the device's behaviour like apparent battery drain when this happened. I wasn't alone in experiencing it either. As far as its longer lifetime goes, then of course it has an effect. The battery chemistry in particular is very sensitive to temperature extremes.
I got a T60p notebook, which runs very warm under load. If you put your hand on its back you feel it's really, really warm there. That notebook runs absolutely fine for 3 years now. No problems what so ever.
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That's a notebook - it has an active cooling system that draws cooler air over the surrounding components, and vents hotter air out the side. More than that it's also much larger with much more space in and around the components to allow the heat to dissipate. Phones like the Touch HD have none of that - not even a sidevent let alone a fan, and zero empty space inside - meaning pretty much 100% of that excess heat is being absorbed by all the other components. Not healthy, and not good hardware design - there's a reason why your T60p would never have been designed that way.

Boinng said:
Well I hate to say it, but my iPhone never runs hot, despite having a faster processor inside.
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if you do a search online you will find out that apple downclocked a perfectly good 667MHz cpu to 400 MHz. On top of that, the reason it runs cool and seemingly running fast is because it's 400MHz for only one program (there is no multitasking, except core applications that came with apple). Also iphone's GPS doesn't update as fast I blieve 1Hz, instead of 5Hz.

ah yes - foolish apple for underclocking that chip and producing a phone which runs perfectly cool, and still faster than any WM device I've ever used. If only they used overstretched Qualcomm chips instead, eh ?)
Say what you like about the Iphone, but the Qualcomm processors HTC have wedded themselves to are junk, plain and simple.
As for the GPS and multitasking - well the GPS seems to be far more sensitive to movement than my old Tytn II was so I doubt what you say is true, but if it is then clearly HTC's hardware advantage is getting lost somewhere in poor software. Multitasking - well the iPhone multitasks as much as my kaiser ever did, given that I was always precious about closing background apps down anyway to save battery life and memory - the iPhone still does it's phone thing in the background of whatever I'm doing, still plays music while I write an email, all that kind of stuff - and it's still much, much faster at doing anything than the kaiser ever was, despite the "same" 400mhz processor.

Boinng said:
ah yes - foolish apple for underclocking that chip and producing a phone which runs perfectly cool, and still faster than any WM device I've ever used. If only they used overstretched Qualcomm chips instead, eh ?)
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Didn't you read what he said? iPhone doesn't multitask anything like the HD or other WM devices for that matter.

elmarko99 said:
Didn't you read what he said? iPhone doesn't multitask anything like the HD or other WM devices for that matter.
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I read every word. Maybe you should have read what I said?
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Multitasking - well the iPhone multitasks as much as my kaiser ever did, given that I was always precious about closing background apps down anyway to save battery life and memory - the iPhone still does it's phone thing in the background of whatever I'm doing, still plays music while I write an email, all that kind of stuff - and it's still much, much faster at doing anything than the kaiser ever was, despite the "same" 400mhz processor.
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Still i dont understand why you people worry about longivity, since is more likely you're gonna change the phone to the 2nd-3rd newer model availabe, if not the next one.
The devices get hot because they offer so many features (eg multitasking) and I am sure they would run within specs. So far I havent heard anyone saying that any HTC device caught fire.
btw iPhone sucks!!! Unless you want a toy, WM devices are mostly business oriented even though they do most of the things that iPhones do.

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Still i dont understand why you people worry about longivity, since is more likely you're gonna change the phone to the 2nd-3rd newer model availabe, if not the next one.
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Plus htc give you a 2 year warranty.

feel cheated

I just feel like I fell for HTC's empty promises yet again, just as it has happened in the past so many times. You buy an HTC phone and you find it a little slow, the typing is not perfect and you say hey, maybe the next one will fix all these problems. The next one comes, you dish out your hard earned money for a super duper king of all phones just to find out that it's still half baked, but since christmas is coming it needs to be sold now. And of course the annoying little nuances never get fixed. Maybe in the next phone...
Htc never published the video drivers for the Kaiser, nor the HD and will never fix up the HD2. It is kind of ridiculous that such a powerful machine still lags from time to time and that typing is nearly impossible. If I did my job that poorly I would be fired already.
I only wish the iphone had a decent screen I might not buy HTC ever again.

As far as typing is concerned, try to disable vibration on key press .If you need haptic feedback, then use typing sound instead. Right now i'm replying from my HD2 only without any issues.

do you have the keyboard lag too? mine just stops responding for a second or two.

I don't know why you feel like that, I have mine for almost 2 weeks now and I have only good things to say about my HD2, I didn't found one single bug in all this time.
The typing is very dificult on the begining, but that is just because os the diferent and much more sensible screent type, but with time you will see that it's much faster typing with this screen then with the older one, you just need some practice.
I don't have any slowwdowns or freezes in movies or music playing.

Tbh the sensitivity of the Screen is much to high, and you cant type to fast with both hands cause much isnt recognized by the device.
Its quite hard to type two times the same letter.You are forced to move your finger more far away, thats a lil bit annoying.
More annoying is the latency time for typing. That isnt a problem when u type with only one thumb, but with two thumbs its a big issue.
Capacitive screen is a big improvement, but its not the same like that one of the iPhone.

skr_xd said:
As far as typing is concerned, try to disable vibration on key press .If you need haptic feedback, then use typing sound instead. Right now i'm replying from my HD2 only without any issues.
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No. I don't have any lag with keyboard.
NetDwarf said:
Tbh the sensitivity of the Screen is much to high, and you cant type to fast with both hands cause much isnt recognized by the device.
Its quite hard to type two times the same letter.You are forced to move your finger more far away, thats a lil bit annoying.
More annoying is the latency time for typing. That isnt a problem when u type with only one thumb, but with two thumbs its a big issue.
Capacitive screen is a big improvement, but its not the same like that one of the iPhone.
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yes. it is more sensitive. but, you can reduce it using a cab posted I. this section.
I have an iphone 3gs also. All I can say is, I don't find much difference in typing speeds between two phones.
I find it way easy instead by using t9 in HD2 with a thumb and index finger.
BTW, I'm replying this using my HD2.

It's like running Windows 7 on an overclocked I7 920. it will always feel "slow". It's not HTC's fault.
Next time - go android.

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BTW, I'm replying this using my HD2.
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This is evident from the lack of auto capitalisation in your post

simplymee said:
This is evident from the lack of auto capitalisation in your post
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But seriously, this is the best device I ever had for my purposes.
only negative thing is the camera quality. Worser than what I had
thought about before buying.

zilask: I don't know what your problem is or what you're doing, regardless, I think you're a dofussss & a cry-baby (sorry, I know name-calling is not nice)... I'm running the ported Sense & keyboard on my 533Mhz Diamond and even thus I don't experience any lags!!! Its a SENSITIVE super screen, that's why you bought it -get used to it - and that's a 1 Ghz processor not a quantum leap so close some apps, or even give it a soft/hard reset to clear up any malfunctioning or hung up programs.
That said, the combination of 1Ghz + 200 Megs of free RAM makes an HD2 a monster with a license to kill, there is no keyboard or SENSE that's going to slow it down! So, I suspect that, whatever your problem is, its something you did, and no iPhone is going to save you - it too crashes and requires soft/hard resets! Have you never crashed your 3.5 Ghz & 4 GB RAM computer?
I'm sorry to be harsh, and if you feel offended -or can't take criticism- perhaps you should NOT have complained, and just simply asked for advice on your situation!!!

Well I felt stupid last year after buying my first WM device. But I simply should have tested more before I bought it.

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zilask: I don't know what your problem is or what you're doing, regardless, I think you're a dofussss & a cry-baby (sorry, I know name-calling is not nice)... I'm running the ported Sense & keyboard on my 533Mhz Diamond and even thus I don't experience any lags!!! Its a SENSITIVE super screen, that's why you bought it -get used to it - and that's a 1 Ghz processor not a quantum leap so close some apps, or even give it a soft/hard reset to clear up any malfunctioning or hung up programs.
That said, the combination of 1Ghz + 200 Megs of free RAM makes an HD2 a monster with a license to kill, there is no keyboard or SENSE that's going to slow it down! So, I suspect that, whatever your problem is, its something you did, and no iPhone is going to save you - it too crashes and requires soft/hard resets! Have you never crashed your 3.5 Ghz & 4 GB RAM computer?
I'm sorry to be harsh, and if you feel offended -or can't take criticism- perhaps you should NOT have complained, and just simply asked for advice on your situation!!!
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So, why can't I complain, if I'm not happy with the device. I read most of the forum and I simply expressed my frustration and feelings towards the phone. If this forum is only for positive feedback then it should be stated somewhere. I also don't understand why you have to call me a doufuss? Shoul I just call you an asshole just because we have different opinions? I don't think that would be right. Or do you expect me that reading your post I would suddenly realize how happy I am with this phone and I was all wrong?
Please, think before you post such reply next time. Especially without owning the phone you're righting about.

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So, why can't I complain, if I'm not happy with the device. I read most of the forum and I simply expressed my frustration and feelings towards the phone. If this forum is only for positive feedback then it should be stated somewhere. I also don't understand why you have to call me a doufuss? Shoul I just call you an asshole just because we have different opinions? I don't think that would be right. Or do you expect me that reading your post I would suddenly realize how happy I am with this phone and I was all wrong?
Please, think before you post such reply next time. Especially without owning the phone you're righting about.
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...LOL...
If you have a technical problem or expert opinion, however, this IS the right place where many sincere & intelligent experts are here! Enthusiasts like me will listen to you, brainstorm with you, and if we can, we'll not hesitate to offer our sincere help without expecting anything in return.
You post a new thread and people come in to see if they can help and all they find is this; Man, this is NOT the psychiatrics forum, no one is here to cure your anger or listen to your complaints and disdainful whining!
So, will I call you a dofuss for expecting a mommy's shoulder, YES, but, would I tell you to f***k off just because you just PMed me a "f***k you" ? Absolutely not...that's just lame

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[...] Especially without owning the phone you're righting about.
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!! What are you, a nouveau riche? why would I even bother reading your sh*t if I don't have an HD2, or are you the only person with enough money to buy one?? You are too juvenile dude, I had enough of you....[OUT]

OK Guys, please calm down, show some respect and use decent language! First and last warning, vacation coming up!

tnyynt said:
OK Guys, please calm down, show some respect and use decent language! First and last warning, vacation coming up!
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Where are we going for vacation??

Mikey1022 said:
Where are we going for vacation??
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I really don't think its you who's going somewhere, probably me & the .... other guy

Seriously though, I had a ton of applications running in the background, the only thing I can really fault apart from battery life, and had no issues of lag. This phone is a beast.

I feel elated
You are entitled to you opinion, but I do not share your experinece.
When faced with a technical problem, I turn and face it and direct my energy into finding a solution, not giving up and blaming.
The problems I encounter are mostly due to pushing the envelope of what a device was designed for.
On some platforms, which will remain nameless, this is not even possible, hence my love of WM & HTC devices.
For a non-enthusiast user, this device is superb, probably the best available, but that's only my opinion.
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I just feel like I fell for HTC's empty promises yet again, just as it has happened in the past so many times. You buy an HTC phone and you find it a little slow, the typing is not perfect and you say hey, maybe the next one will fix all these problems. The next one comes, you dish out your hard earned money for a super duper king of all phones just to find out that it's still half baked, but since christmas is coming it needs to be sold now. And of course the annoying little nuances never get fixed. Maybe in the next phone...
Htc never published the video drivers for the Kaiser, nor the HD and will never fix up the HD2. It is kind of ridiculous that such a powerful machine still lags from time to time and that typing is nearly impossible. If I did my job that poorly I would be fired already.
I only wish the iphone had a decent screen I might not buy HTC ever again.
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Clearly this is out of hand. I think forums generally serve a small percentage of actual phone users...'power users' dare I say it and those wishing to learn more. A forum is bound to highlight all of any devices problems because that's is one of the primary reasons they exist. So all of the other millions of happy customers you never get to hear from. Clearly this is an awesome device.
I think a little more sensitivity (girly-ness) is required!!

Are You Bored of your HD2?

My phone history is no small list i've tried pretty much everything out there From N97, to Blackberry 9700... HD2 cought my eye because i originally had the HD, however it seems that i'm getting the itch to move on to possibly the N900 or E72
Anyways just wondering what your experiences have been like with your device, and what are your most cool applications?

I change phones quite often too. My last phone in fact was a N900. Great phone yet I felt it was a bit slow. So far I am loving the hd2 and don't have plans to switch for quite some time. With every phone there was always something that bothered me. I thought Windows mobile would be it but so far it has been great. My only past issue was with a touch diamond being a bit sluggish, this hd2 definitely does not have that problem.
I could possibly see a jump to the N900, but an E72 (used to own an E71)?! No way. Using symbian is like jumping through a time warp to the past.

i know im lil off topic but i feel you guys on never finding perfect phone before one i got now. I dont mean to push android on WM guys but other then lil lag sometimes its been best phone for me.

It's gonna take a real monster of a phone for me to even think about considering getting rid of my HD2.
I've never been as happy with a phone as I am with this, and I don't think I'll start having wandering eyes for a looooooooong time!

wait till Winmo 7 comes. I reckon it will be a real sweet OS
I also change phones quite often. I always loved my iphone 3GS, but the HD2 has kept my attention for a while now. It does everything my iphone used to do for me.
I think once Microsoft implements Xbox live games into winmo, we'll all be laughing!

I'll get bored when they have a dual core 1.5 GHz Snapdragon or Tegra 2 HD3 with WM7

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I'll get bored when they have a dual core 1.5 GHz Snapdragon or Tegra 2 HD3 with WM7
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And AT LEAST a 4.7" screen. lol - I wouldn't really want one that big, but I definitely don't want smaller!

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And AT LEAST a 4.7" screen. lol - I wouldn't really want one that big, but I definitely don't want smaller!
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I wouldn't mind an even bigger screen. They could do it with the hd2 by removing the border around the lcd. Imagine nothing but screen corner to corner.

in the end it's still a phone.. doesn't have wheels or boobs..

The experience of the HD2 in most cases spoils you, and you will find it difficult to use a phone with a smaller screen. Apart from the earpiece quality at the higher frequencies, i am completly happy with this phone having owned about 10 different phones including iphone.

bel_z_bub said:
in the end it's still a phone.. doesn't have wheels or boobs..
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But I heard that on WM7 it will preform BJ's .

I must say, the HD2 is one of the best phone I came across.
I've worked over 2 years as the buyer for a multimedia chain and got the oppertunity to test drive a whole lot of device.
Also I'm using a ppc over 7 years now and untill the HD2 there were only 2 devices who have the "professional"/fun factor that the HD2 has.
And that was the Magician and the Universal.
Now I don't argue about the N900 because he has a "full" linux on it and for the linux guru's this is a wonderfull device. But if you aren't that good or fond in Linux then there is nothing special on the N900, and he is idd quite slow in normal use.
The other problem is that several years ago people did not compare a ppc with a normal phone (nokia symbian and etc...) but the mainstream users now also want a pcc thus the discussing is started... (certainly no personal blame meant)

I have no intentions of getting rid of the HD2 until there is a Nvidia Tegra powered platform available running WinMo7 with a screen equal to or bigger than the HD2.
The extra screen size compared to other mobiles on the market today really does make all the difference. I see people considering exchanging their HD2 for the Nexus One, but personally I find the screen a real letdown after being used to my HTC.
The one thing that does bug me about it is the low capacity battery included but, touch wood, so far I've managed to keep it running 24/7 by charging thru the night and every now and again in the car. Not enough of a let down for me to start looking at other handsets anyhow.

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The one thing that does bug me about it is the low capacity battery included but, touch wood, so far I've managed to keep it running 24/7 by charging thru the night and every now and again in the car. Not enough of a let down for me to start looking at other handsets anyhow.
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That is a serious battery drain, do you work so much on your device?
Eg I use my device constantly, 15 sms/day, 1 a 2hours phone, 30min surfing wifi and or hspda and I can do over a day and a half with one battery charge

This topics makes me laugh (not being offensive).
But it's pretty difficult to get bored of it. Of course we could have much more action on it but i'm sure in time we will have that also.

I cant see myself getting bored of the HTC HD2 anytime soon. Still got lots to do to it. Custom Roms, writing my own apps etc. Once i have it perfect then I will be using it until my contract runs out and i can get the latest super phone for free

Seeing as I have just discovered 800x480 encoding of 720p videos using WinMenc makes amazingly clear videos, and the demo of Electopia showing OpenGL 2.0 capabilities, I don't see myself getting bored any time soon.

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That is a serious battery drain, do you work so much on your device?
Eg I use my device constantly, 15 sms/day, 1 a 2hours phone, 30min surfing wifi and or hspda and I can do over a day and a half with one battery charge
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Yeah, I use it constantly for the web and MSN (wifi/hsdpa/3g) as well as calls/sms. I could probably tweak it to last longer by disabling wifi/bluetooth etc when not connected but haven't found a good app to automate this yet.
Of course, once I find a 'cheap' car-cradle with built-in micro-usb (ie. put the phone in the cradle and it automatically starts charging - rather than fiddle around with cables and whatnot) the batterylife won't be a problem no more.

karkid said:
My phone history is no small list i've tried pretty much everything out there From N97, to Blackberry 9700... HD2 cought my eye because i originally had the HD, however it seems that i'm getting the itch to move on to possibly the N900 or E72
Anyways just wondering what your experiences have been like with your device, and what are your most cool applications?
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No where near board with it but as you've most likely tried everything there is for the HD2 why don't you list your best top 10 apps that you've tried and then we'll compare notes

For me the HD2 is my very first PocketPC/Smartphone. For me this phone is very powerful that it'll do fine for the coming years, if the phone can last that long. My only reason for switching to another phone is when the specs are at least equal to the one of the HD2, MUCH improved battery life and support of both capacative and resistive touch with adequate software and UI support. You can't get better than that. I'm not a gamer, so more power and a higher frequency is not necessarily my wish.

Concerning Problem already showing up

I have a vanilla build, all updates, no exchange.
Took the EVO out of my pocket today, tried to unlock it and touchscreen wasn't responding...turned the screen off and tried to turn it back on but it wouldn't. Ended up having to pop the battery and replace it.
That doesn't impress me for a two day old device.

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I have a vanilla build, all updates, no exchange.
Took the EVO out of my pocket today, tried to unlock it and touchscreen wasn't responding...turned the screen off and tried to turn it back on but it wouldn't. Ended up having to pop the battery and replace it.
That doesn't impress me for a two day old device.
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How often has it happened? This happens occasionally in a lot of devices. One of the first things most people do when troubleshooting laptops, for example, it to unplug it and remove the battery. Sometimes, a power setting get's bugged. Heck, I've seen it happen on an iPhone, which is a reall B to get taken care of if you like your warranty.

This story reminds me of people who bought a Ferrari and because they paid over 200K they didn't expect it to have brakes that squealed or have anything break on it for the lifetime of the car.
It happens. If it is repeated then its another story. But if you had to pull the battery once in every 100 uses would it be too much?
I had to replaced 4 Iphones within 2 months and lost my current data because the thing locked up. Once it happened as I was leaving the store before I had the change to even mess with it. It locked up and would not reset.
I hope that its an isolated problem with the phone and if not just get a new one.

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This story reminds me of people who bought a Ferrari and because they paid over 200K they didn't expect it to have brakes that squealed or have anything break on it for the lifetime of the car.
It happens. If it is repeated then its another story. But if you had to pull the battery once in every 100 uses would it be too much?
I had to replaced 4 Iphones within 2 months and lost my current data because the thing locked up. Once it happened as I was leaving the store before I had the change to even mess with it. It locked up and would not reset.
I hope that its an isolated problem with the phone and if not just get a new one.
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I was a windows mobile user for years...theses kind of issues were almost expected. I then got an iphone...and found out you dont have to deal with theses issues. It always worked (the phone anyway, network is another issue) I think it maybe froze once while I owned it...and it was jailbroke with backgrounding apps running.
I don't think it's wrong to expect the same from an HTC Android device... I rely on this thing, it's not a toy...it shouldn't behave like one.
Maybe I'm a little gun shy, as my last HTC device was a nightmare (HTC Touch) went through 9 devices until I left sprint all together.

Then you got a good IPHONE. I so happened to have 4 bad ones. I expect my phone to work. The EVO and the INCREDIBLE has worked from day one.
I have been around Windows Phones for a long time as well. I don't expect it to lock up but it does.
I have come to expect that THERE ARE NO MANUFACTURERS that create 100% working out of the box phones.

Wow!
I am surprised anyone is having any SERIOUS issues.
1. Iphone 3G
2. HTC HD2
3. Now the EVO
This was my most recent line up. The iphone 3g was a great device. GREAT. Just like the first car when people were used to walking. Innovative device severely limited and relatively stable. The HD2 is a major junk pile. I hacked it, flashed it, and tried to make it work. The EVO is beautiful and leaps above both of the above. I won't bother you all with my drivel, but the ONLY problem I have (except wanting to sleep less to mess with it) is the headphone jack thinking I am plugging in a headset (mic) and going completely apes%$t. The voice dialing went nuts. The music players would skip over and over again. Then I searched the droid forums and saw the:
HEADSET BLOCKER WIDGET.
Remember this, because I am sure this problem in particular was not limited to my phone as it has been reported on a number of HTC devices. Who uses those silly corded headsets anymore???? Um.....BLUETOOTH.
Good luck to those of you with problems. I absolutely worship the EVO so far. Its nearly seamless to this point.

Grims said:
I was a windows mobile user for years...theses kind of issues were almost expected. I then got an iphone...and found out you dont have to deal with theses issues. It always worked (the phone anyway, network is another issue) I think it maybe froze once while I owned it...and it was jailbroke with backgrounding apps running.
I don't think it's wrong to expect the same from an HTC Android device... I rely on this thing, it's not a toy...it shouldn't behave like one.
Maybe I'm a little gun shy, as my last HTC device was a nightmare (HTC Touch) went through 9 devices until I left sprint all together.
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I was out to dinner with my friend who owns a iPhone. He said the only complaint he had was that his iPhone freezes up on him. I told him all computers are prone to that. Even my daughter's iPod freezes. The main problem with the iPhone is the battery cannot be removed to reset the entire circuitry. At least with HTC products, the battery can be removed to reset. If the iPhone's reset-circuit becomes corrupted, the battery WILL have to be removed to reset it. What a bummer. My Evo has not had even one problem.

I had a similar issue to the original poster, but it doesn't just happen on the lockscreen is is prevelant through the entire phone.
My issue is that the top half of the touchscreen seems to become "dead" and does not accept input for anywhere from 5 seconds to 20 seconds. Pulling the battery helps but this is starting to happen frequently enough in many different places of the OS and apps that i don't think it is a software issue.
My local store is out of stock and will call then they get more in stock to replace, but at this point I'll have to deal with it and see how often it comes up.
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Reasons why I should buy the HD2 instead of the Nexus One

Guys, I'm absolutely TORN between these two, and am leaning toward the HD2 a lot (because of how comfortable customizing Windows Mobile is) but can someone tell me why the HD2 is a better buy than the Nexus One? I'm just looking for some reassurance as to how the HD2 is better (apart from the screen size).

i have the hd2 and is a powerfull device the only thing is it have WM if i were you ill buy the nexus or you have a better option the evo 4g

Your decision
Andriod is great, for some people, wm is great for some, I love hd2, but personal choice,. Thats why so many different phones to choose from, lots of different personal choices,,,Quig

brekem said:
i have the hd2 and is a powerfull device the only thing is it have WM if i were you ill buy the nexus or you have a better option the evo 4g
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The EVO 4G is a CDMA device and I use a GSM network. How is the Nexus One better than the HD2?

lquigley said:
Andriod is great, for some people, wm is great for some, I love hd2, but personal choice,. Thats why so many different phones to choose from, lots of different personal choices,,,Quig
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Doesn't the HD2 have a lot of problems? I read this post of a guy with an HD2 and he said he has a new problem with it every day lol is that true?

well i cant tell you if it but i comming from a g1 i prefferd android over WM

Why not check the HTC Droid Incredible if android is a option
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQOsgZFBUGY
i , myself use a HD2 and i love it.

hackm0d said:
Doesn't the HD2 have a lot of problems? I read this post of a guy with an HD2 and he said he has a new problem with it every day lol is that true?
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I saw that too. TBH i think that was a very large case of user incompetence. I've had my HD2 about 6 weeks now and i've not had any problems with it that weren't my fault to begin with except for the sms sound notification issue and the slow HTC messaging application issue but these are problems almost everyone is having and the second one isn't so bad if you don't have text mainiacs for friends or want to flash a custom rom that use's the outlook style WM default.
I love my windows mobile device for the simple things. Things like direct push of my email from my exchange server and the familiar UI. As a linux fan i was very excited when android was first annouced but after using a G1 in the local tmobile store i changed my mind a little. I haven't used android since so i have no idea if it's grown up any.

Nexus One uses a crappy pentile AMOLED screen.
Until today, I have not had a single lock-up, freeze, etc and what have you with my HD2. I think it all boils down to how versed you are with Windows Mobile. I however, did (without much thinking), double clicked on the SimLock.exe program to see what would happen. Naturally, this pained me for 60 seconds since I couldn't minimize the program. I had to hit the home key (brings it up for .5 second before the sim lock program comes up again) and quickly swipe my way to the soft reset button (had to do this 8 times while starting up every other program because it was a fleeting image. It was funny.

M3PH said:
I saw that too. TBH i think that was a very large case of user incompetence. I've had my HD2 about 6 weeks now and i've not had any problems with it that weren't my fault to begin with except for the sms sound notification issue and the slow HTC messaging application issue but these are problems almost everyone is having and the second one isn't so bad if you don't have text mainiacs for friends or want to flash a custom rom that use's the outlook style WM default.
I love my windows mobile device for the simple things. Things like direct push of my email from my exchange server and the familiar UI. As a linux fan i was very excited when android was first annouced but after using a G1 in the local tmobile store i changed my mind a little. I haven't used android since so i have no idea if it's grown up any.
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What about the SMS sound and HTC messaging issue?
PoisonWolf said:
Nexus One uses a crappy pentile AMOLED screen.
Until today, I have not had a single lock-up, freeze, etc and what have you with my HD2. I think it all boils down to how versed you are with Windows Mobile. I however, did (without much thinking), double clicked on the SimLock.exe program to see what would happen. Naturally, this pained me for 60 seconds since I couldn't minimize the program. I had to hit the home key (brings it up for .5 second before the sim lock program comes up again) and quickly swipe my way to the soft reset button (had to do this 8 times while starting up every other program because it was a fleeting image. It was funny.
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Yeah it's things like that that make me think a WM device has a sort of soul, it always needs your attention, like Windows does. I used to have an iPAQ h4150 that ran WM2003 and I loved the apps and the gaming and file management capabilites. I also loved how everything was so familiar and easy to use. It's just that with the flick and swipe culture being so rampant everywhere and combining this with Android's open nature, just makes me think that WM 6.5 won't be as worthwhile. and lol why didn't you just pop the battery door off and reset?

hackm0d said:
What about the SMS sound and HTC messaging issue?
Yeah it's things like that that make me think a WM device has a sort of soul, it always needs your attention, like Windows does. I used to have an iPAQ h4150 that ran WM2003 and I loved the apps and the gaming and file management capabilites. I also loved how everything was so familiar and easy to use. It's just that with the flick and swipe culture being so rampant everywhere and combining this with Android's open nature, just makes me think that WM 6.5 won't be as worthwhile. and lol why didn't you just pop the battery door off and reset?
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Firstly, that was not challenging. Easy way out.
Anyhow, hope you make a decision. WM 6.5 will be around for at least a year more after WP7 releases (so roughly 2 years or close to it if you get it now). By then, when you've used the HD2 as the last great Windows Mobile device, you can switch to the Hd4 which probably has 800mhz quadcore chips or something with 5000mAH batteries the size of a nickel or something. Who the heck knows what will happen in 2 years. A lot of emerging battery tech is arriving, and I hope it reaches the mobile scene soon since battery life as it is is sagging behind by a decade or more now.

hackm0d said:
What about the SMS sound and HTC messaging issue?
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On occasion and at random the phone will not play the sms notification sound if the device is in standby but as soon as you hit any button to bring the device out of standby mode it pings you. The way i get around it is to enable a registry tweak which makes the green led at the top of the device blink when a message comes in.
The messaging app itself is just plain slow. If you have a contact with more than a few messages associated with them it can take up to 30 seconds to load them all. There is also a small delay when you hit the text input to start typing new sms messages. It is very much down to poor coding imho and although there are a couple of cabs out there to are supposed to fix this they appear to be a bit hit and miss. It doesn't really bug me that much, i think it as sort of a quirk and if you text while watching TV or doing other things then you don't really notice it.

M3PH said:
On occasion and at random the phone will not play the sms notification sound if the device is in standby but as soon as you hit any button to bring the device out of standby mode it pings you. The way i get around it is to enable a registry tweak which makes the green led at the top of the device blink when a message comes in.
The messaging app itself is just plain slow. If you have a contact with more than a few messages associated with them it can take up to 30 seconds to load them all. There is also a small delay when you hit the text input to start typing new sms messages. It is very much down to poor coding imho and although there are a couple of cabs out there to are supposed to fix this they appear to be a bit hit and miss. It doesn't really bug me that much, i think it as sort of a quirk and if you text while watching TV or doing other things then you don't really notice it.
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Darn I usually leave my phone somewhere on my bed or couch and I wouldn't see a blinking LED, usually I depend on the sound.
And 30 seconds? That's a lot of time, even my current Symbian smartphone doesn't take that long.
Do you think that, at this point, with WP7 and Android Gingerbread coming out in the end of the year, it would be better for me to skip out on a smartphone?

hackm0d said:
Darn I usually leave my phone somewhere on my bed or couch and I wouldn't see a blinking LED, usually I depend on the sound.
And 30 seconds? That's a lot of time, even my current Symbian smartphone doesn't take that long.
Do you think that, at this point, with WP7 and Android Gingerbread coming out in the end of the year, it would be better for me to skip out on a smartphone?
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Like I said, if you wait, you'll have a dual-core snapdragon next year. Of course, even after WP7 comes out, it'll take about 2 ~ 3 years before it even reaches the maturity of what Windows Mobile is today.

So I'm supposed to wait huh?
Darn, I guess I'll never see HTC/Microsoft's last hurrah with Windows Mobile 6.5. I think it's okay though, I might as well get a decent notebook that'll last me a couple of years so that I don't ask as much from a smartphone as I was asking from Windows Mobile and the HD2.

I dare say there will be a call for downgrading devices from wp7 to wm6.5, a lot of people will be unhappy with the reduced functionality and lack of customisability.

hackm0d said:
So I'm supposed to wait huh?
Darn, I guess I'll never see HTC/Microsoft's last hurrah with Windows Mobile 6.5. I think it's okay though, I might as well get a decent notebook that'll last me a couple of years so that I don't ask as much from a smartphone as I was asking from Windows Mobile and the HD2.
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I would never have got my Leo if it wasn't for O2-UK's inability to understand terms like redundancy and co-location and finally, an enthusiastic builder with a shovel but it is seriously the best phone (well it's not really a phone more a personal communications device) i have ever had. Yeah it's got it's problems but they are all HTC's fault for not sticking with the stock interface throughout and instead thinking they can do better.
If i was you (and 6 weeks ago i sorta was) i would go for the HD2 and i would make the same choice everytime of offering.

A friend of mine got the EVO on release day, and I've spent some time messing with it. Suprisingly, with Sense running on both, the core experience between the two is very similar. At the end of the day, I'd go for the EVO over the HD2 for the availability of apps, and what feels like a better touchscreen, but I don't feel the HD2 is as inferior to the EVO as I thought I would.
Between the HD2 and the Nexus one, I'd go for the HD2 because of the bigger screen, and generally better hardware. I'm an old iPhone user, so the hype of apps wore off for me a long time ago....if Apps are important to you, then definitely get the Nexus One, otherwise my vote goes for the HD2.
The last few iterations of the Energy Rom have been rock solid stable for me...rarely crashes, if ever. No messaging bug or crashes for me.

hd2 all the way. nexus one has been reviewed up against the hd2 and has proven to have better hardware run smoother. i have found if your an app person Windows mobile is still as possible to compete availability is concerned. i use omarket which is an app market for freewarepocketpc.net and also i visit umnet.com and i am just happy when it comes to apps.

M3PH said:
I would never have got my Leo if it wasn't for O2-UK's inability to understand terms like redundancy and co-location and finally, an enthusiastic builder with a shovel but it is seriously the best phone (well it's not really a phone more a personal communications device) i have ever had. Yeah it's got it's problems but they are all HTC's fault for not sticking with the stock interface throughout and instead thinking they can do better.
If i was you (and 6 weeks ago i sorta was) i would go for the HD2 and i would make the same choice everytime of offering.
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I'm pretty much looking for laptop-esque functionality, i.e. downloading torrents, word document composing and everything in a pocket-friendly package. Do you think it offers that? And what ROM are you running?
mystik610 said:
A friend of mine got the EVO on release day, and I've spent some time messing with it. Suprisingly, with Sense running on both, the core experience between the two is very similar. At the end of the day, I'd go for the EVO over the HD2 for the availability of apps, and what feels like a better touchscreen, but I don't feel the HD2 is as inferior to the EVO as I thought I would.
Between the HD2 and the Nexus one, I'd go for the HD2 because of the bigger screen, and generally better hardware. I'm an old iPhone user, so the hype of apps wore off for me a long time ago....if Apps are important to you, then definitely get the Nexus One, otherwise my vote goes for the HD2.
The last few iterations of the Energy Rom have been rock solid stable for me...rarely crashes, if ever. No messaging bug or crashes for me.
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You sure? The person above said almost everyone has the messaging bug.
Any major issues worth mentioning?