does anybody have a major problem with hero lagging. It is really annoying. I was wondering if rooting the hero can fix this problem. If not do you guys think the 2.1 update will fix it.
What ROM are you running? What apps do you normally have running in the background? Are you using a Task Killer that automatically kills apps on a set time frame? Have you tried doing a factory reset/wipe to see if it makes a difference? And finally, where do you see the lag the most? Is it in a particular application, or are you judging the "lagginess" based on moving back and forth from your home screens in SenseUI?
Answering ALL of these questions will help us understand what you're seeing a little better. Your question is a little vague, and your answers will probably help you get some more support from folks on here.
Thanks!
My phone was laggy too. I rooted it and put the fresh rom on it and I saw a big improvement in overall performance. Still not as fast as my old iphone 3gs, but I would never go back. I also don't use task manager anymore. It always runs in the background and drains your battery faster.
I was having the same issue.. and I narrowed it down to Handcent(SMS) of all things..
phone was fast until I installed it.. then it ran like a dog.... then I uninstalled handcent and speed it actually usable now..
I would like to see confirmation of this from others as well..
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I was having the same issue.. and I narrowed it down to Handcent(SMS) of all things..
phone was fast until I installed it.. then it ran like a dog.... then I uninstalled handcent and speed it actually usable now..
I would like to see confirmation of this from others as well..
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Yeah handcent killed me, made the phone not just a dog, but a wounded dog born with 2 legs. 10x worse than the stock hero app, which is bad.
I'm running handcent, but I haven't noticed any specific slowdowns from it. It can take a while to load the main handcent screen when you have lots and lots of texts in there, but I usually clear them out when I get over 100 or so anyway.
Check to see that you have the most recent version of Handcent. I think I read that there was a performance bug related to their special "with Christmas animations" holiday release (that has since been fixed).
Also, remember to clear the boot-cache directory and reboot after upgrading apps ('rm -r /data/boot-cache/*'; reboot). The Hero has problems with caching apps after upgrades (so you aren't actually running the upgrade version). I have no idea if this was fixed in the newer ROMS. I'm running Fresh and still do it, as it only takes a sec (if you have the android-sdk and root set up).
Turning off HandCent popup notifications resulted in a substantial performance increase for me. Which is good, as I really like the features HC adds (such as voice-to-text).
I had the latest version and it was always cleared out sms wise. and I never used popup notifications.. they were annoying.. and I just got a fresh replacement of the Hero (warrantee) and its still on stock rom and Handcent still killed it.. in one day..
i have not rooted, pure stock phone. only app i think runs in background is email and loopt
I notice the lag from everything to sense UI to the clock taking 2-3 secs to update to my contacts scrolling, to text message lag, to calling even lags. like anything and everything can lag.
It all has to do with this bug in Android 1.5:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3453
I'm running AOSP 1.6 on my Hero right now and it is ridiculously fast.
So yes, I think that the 2.1 update (which hopefully will come out soon) is going to fix these issues for us.
on your location settings turn off "network location" then reboot..your lag will be gone...and make sure you have a task manager installed too and end your apps so they take over your processor
Task managers are a waste of time.
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Task managers are a waste of time.
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I agree with this statement.
Sawawa said:
It all has to do with this bug in Android 1.5:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3453
I'm running AOSP 1.6 on my Hero right now and it is ridiculously fast.
So yes, I think that the 2.1 update (which hopefully will come out soon) is going to fix these issues for us.
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This is very true. I was running the 2.1 build from here the last few days (thought I had to revert due to missing some texts and voicemail) and it's much speedier. It uses the HTC keyboard, but it's much faster in its response, almost instantaneous. The location bug really does suck up a lot of CPU time.
Also, maybe its just me, but I think it's important to remember the kind of device we're using, the hardware involved, and what you're asking it to do. It's not like you're walking around with a quad core CPU and 4GB of RAM in your pocket, but it seems a lot of people think it should respond as if that's what it has. It's a phone, yes, and it should be able to do phone stuff quickly if possible, but look at all it can and is doing. If you need absolute speed, get a dumb phone that can't browse the web, play games, or do just about anything. It'll run just fine.
handcent never made my phone lag. The only thing that made my phone lag was HTC's battery widget. Damn thing slowed my phone down so I uninstalled it and phone is running back fast again. I still use task manager because I do notice once to many apps are open it lags. Don't care what anyone says it happens on my phone. I do have a lot of applications on ignore though.
Try disabling Location services.
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I used to wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, until I read a kickass article explaining how Android actively manages memory.
Now, I also agree with this statement 100%. I don't even use my paid task manager app anymore. :/
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Hi all,
I'm a new PPC user and I love the customization and features that the phone offers, but I have one major gripe right now that's making me debate keeping the phone. I'm working with a XV6800 and I'm a frequent texter and the slowdown due to what I'm sure are a variety of things is really bothering me.
When I soft-reset the phone, everything is quite speedy, but over the course of the day, my memory starts to "leak" and everything slows down. It'll sometimes take my phone 3 to 5 second to switch from vertical to horizontal when I open the keyboard, another few seconds to open and look at the message, and then once I start typing, the letters drag behind at a speed much slower than the one I'm typing at.
My question is, will going with a stable ROM such as DCD's or Custel's when he releases one and keeping the number of applications I install and run to a minimum solve this completely? I'm experiencing this even after a few hours use with no other programs running, so I don't think that's the way a phone should operate "smoothly." Or am I completely wrong, is this just something I have to get used to and accept? If that's the case, I may be considering the wrong phone.
In addition, what about threaded SMS? Will that have any effect on this text messaging delay?
In summary, I'm looking to get rid of the delay in all of my apps and across the whole phone, not just in texting, but that's the best and most notable example I have. Any advice on speeding it up would be appreciated for these specific issues, but before I run out of time, I want to make sure this is a solveable issue.
Finally, on a separate note, is there any downside to doing several soft-resets a day if necessary? Eventually over the next week or so I want to tweak it to not have to do this, but for now, is that ok?
Thanks!
My question is, will going with a stable ROM such as DCD's or Custel's when he releases one and keeping the number of applications I install and run to a minimum solve this completely?
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Yes
i was ready to throw the phone out the car window until i installed dcd's rom. it is faster and the phone is just better now. now i love my phone.
In summary, I'm looking to get rid of the delay in all of my apps and across the whole phone, not just in texting, but that's the best and most notable example I have. Any advice on speeding it up would be appreciated for these specific issues, but before I run out of time, I want to make sure this is a solveable issue.
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best thing for a speed is to get rid of the stock rom with custel or dcd's rom has higher pagepool and other tweaks. dcd's is very polished.
the phone is garbage with the stock rom. the memory leak is still an issue and is a "feature" built into windows mobile. i use oxios hibernate to release the memory though out the day. soft resets used to be twice a day with the stock rom, now it is once a week if that.
Finally, on a separate note, is there any downside to doing several soft-resets a day if necessary? Eventually over the next week or so I want to tweak it to not have to do this, but for now, is that ok?
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no downside other than you shouldnt have to do it. the stock rom is just garbage for even making you have to do it.
where do i find the other roms? sorry im new and don't have a whole lot of time at work to search.
got a hd2, stock rom, latest, all patches,
and its doing my head in!
runs so slow, messages are so slow to load, and the phone sometimes doesnt come out of standby!
i love the size of the phone etc, but its tempting to sell it now
any suggestions?
same deal here, any help would be great!
runs so slow, messages are so slow to load,
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known issue with the messaging app. Only real help is to reduce the ammount of mesages you store.
and the phone sometimes doesnt come out of standby!
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called the 'sleep of death' No cure for it once a rom is installed that i am aware, however many of the cooked roms have cured this issue. (I haven't seen it for about a month now)
Long thread about not waking up HERE
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known issue with the messaging app. Only real help is to reduce the ammount of mesages you store.QUOTE]
sorry for off topic, does Android w/ Snapdragon or Android in general have the same problem/s like Windows Mobile does?
All this stuff should be as quick as speeding bullet.
and another question,
what kind of processor do we need to get what we want out of WinMo?
From what I gather it would have to be atleast 2 to 3 ghz. (for it to never stutter.)
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im using a hero and an hd2 both freeze up from time to time. if you use Google apps a lot stick with android. if your lazy stick with android. if you have time to always tweak your phone go with winmo. and despite what you read windows has way more apps than android the only problem is most of the apps are 3 or more years old and not being updated anymore so not too finger friendly.
My HD2 (U.S. Tmobile - Stock Rom) runs like lightning, but not for lack of effort (well, not too much effort). I installed BsB Tweaks and Clean Ram, applied the performance tweaks in BsB (there's even one messaging that allows for "classic" style), and make sure to run Clean Ram (level two) once or twice a day. I also make liberal use of the task manager after opening any apps that fail to close with the press of an X (most?). Occasionally I'll notice a bit of slowdown, but Clean Ram will usually cure what ails it. Worst case scenario is I'll need to do a soft reset (which I always do after installing/uninstalling any apps), but, with BsB, it's a breeze as there's a command for it in the menu, so no need to wrangle with the battery cover and poke the red button!
As far as Android goes, I've no clue how it will run on HD2 level hardware, but, seeing as much of the issues with the HD2 seem to revolve around the Sense UI and HTC in particular, I would imagine some of the same issues will crop up. I'm coming over from Android (G1) to WinMo. My G1 had the same issues with messaging (HTC!!!) but, otherwise, didn't require much by way of maintenance. It was just slow and there was nothing I could do about it!
Play around with some of these tools on here. I'm a total WinMo noob, but I gotta say I'm loving the tweakability of the OS, and I'm especially enjoying learning about all of the cool stuff XDA has available for it.
No Lag here
Hey guys, I'm not sure if you guys are managing your opened applications properly... HD2 will keep all the apps you opened in the background running unless you actually closed them... and for most of the apps the only way to close them is to go to taskmanager (start>taskmanager>endtask, see a quicker way to do this below)....
Solution: you need to close the applications that are open!!!!
some tweaks that make this easier
- BsB Tweaks (solves many problems)
- Dutty's Taskmanager (allows you to switch between currently opened apps and also allows you to close them, it puts an icon on the top right corner in the taskbar) HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!
I'm starting to feel like I been had on the HD2 1GHz SD processor. Sometimes I press the Home Key and all the keys will light up but the screen won't come on. Ill even press the Send Key, End Key or Window Key, nothing. I have to hold down the End Key and the screen will show up in a very slow fade-in sequence. Than I can slide to unlock (which is very slow as well) and the Homescreen will pop up but everything is slow or lagging, even the weather animation.
My friends Droid which is only 500MHz is blazing fast, faster than my HD2, how the hell lol? Also my 2G iPhone at 400MHz is faster too. I wasn't running a stock 8GB iPhone either, it was jail-broken on T-mobile and was filled with nearly 6GB of stuff. I had 3 pages of apps, running a custom Nexus One theme with an RSS weather/news feed on the second page and a Nexus one live wallpaper lock-screen. Although it had its share of slowdown between menus and such, it was faster than this phone.
What can I do to speed up this phone (or get my advertised 1GHz), I mean 1GHz I should be flying through the tabs and screens but it lags almost everywhere, even the keyboard is such a pain when its lagging or because of an incoming message or MMS it downloads. Twitter is soo bad at times, it's frustrating. I don't want to be like everyone else and give up on it already, I really like this phone but what can I do to fix these issues? There needs to be an OS update ASAP, phone is glitchy as hell.
P.S. I'm starting to think T-mobile knows this phone isn't as fast as the processor says, all there ads talk about the size of the screen but never about the (so far) industry leading 1 GHz Snap Dragon Processor. Apple is always showing off how fast the iPhone is.
Sounds like you have a problem with your software- my HD2 works snappy and fine.
The original HTC SMS app has a slowdown issue when you have over about 3000 SMSes in the database, you can use the default Microsoft one (search for "Zenyee disable messaging"). Also for my particular device (T9193 Telstra version) they changed SMS in a ROM update so it isn't so bad any more.
The fastest processor in the world can't overcome software glitches. WiMo 6.5 was never optimized to run snapdragon imo since it was out the door anyway.
This is why the iPhone is so stable. Apple controls the software and hardware, and each are optimized to the max, so a slower processor feels faster.
Your friends Droid basically is doing the same thing, in that, the OS is better optimized to use the 500mhz processor.
Same here. The HD2 is laggy, not all the time, but much of the time. It spoils the whole experience because it's unpredictable. I also found the Droid to be laggy and unresponsive. While playing with it at a Verizon store, I was constantly missing swipes and clicks. Only the iphone has impressed me with consistently reliable responsiveness.
I have had no problems with my HD2.... it's the fastest phone I've ever had. Always fast and snappy. I can play playstation games at full speed, run windows 95 at a good speed. It runs everything I throw at it with ease.
its also the fastest phone i've played with, minus maybe the nexus one. compared to every other non-snapdragon phone, there's virtually no lag anywhere other than when opening applications or something.
all the previous windows phones were super laggy, but i feel like the hd2 just rocks. a couple of iphoners have even said its freakishly smooth during navigation or in opera
I have not really had any lag issues on the phone, only a few when I am taxing it.
The iPhone does not really allow true multitasking and was designed for that hardware. Often times people forget to check task manager and kill applications they dont need running. WM6.5 was not taylored to any hardware so its not quite as snappy but I prefer this greatly over my wifes 3gs
I always get random lag too...I believe its due to WM 6.5
Thats why I'm waiting for WM7 to come out so bad, since it will be optimized for the processor.
Bad slowdowns are due to some software crashing and hogging all resources. Soft reset, and if it repeats just start getting rid of the programs you installed and find the culprit.
exchange it for a new one. sounds like u got a lemmon.
Why are some HD2s laggy ?
Check:
1. free internal RAM (if lots of pics are in the album the cache eats the RAM: move it to storage card)
2. Opera-Cache: move it to SD-card. when cache is full and new sites loaded into cache after ending Opera there is some delay in reaction of HD2 for 1 minute till cache is cleared.
3. See sticky threads to optimize registry
4. Install SKTools and run full background automatic services and after installation of apps "Autoclean". SKTools is really worth it´s prize.
5. Get "Junk Cleaner" (free) and once in a while clean junk
6. Check which mods You have installed (wallpapers, themes etc.) and if You have uninstalled old ones before applying the new ones. You can mess up quite a bit the speed with this.
This WM-device is tempting to install (and then uninstall) apps on the fly leaving a lotta crap in reg and temp-folder which You rarely do on Your PC or Notebook thus slowing down Your HD2. Any other phone would have frozen in the mess the instant but Snapdragon handles it, but slow.
My HD2 is blazing fast (faster than some Netbooks/Notebooks) and more usable than almost all netbooks since I follow the above advice (once again 1000 TX to XDA-pros here, they solved almost all my problems)
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Bad slowdowns are due to some software crashing and hogging all resources. Soft reset, and if it repeats just start getting rid of the programs you installed and find the culprit.
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I have not installed any programs and I'm constantly ending task and still no help. The phone has some major bugs.
just flash 1.72 firmware, it is blazing fast and the battery life will be better too!
It would be nice to know what firmware you're using. My HD2 is extremely fast, it replies instantly on nearly everything.
More information would be appreciated.
I have had no such issues with my unit... in fact, it's relatively flawless. The only complaint I have about mine is that I didn't get it sooner...
It's quite fast, incredibly gorgeous, and always reliable. No dropped calls, SMS always on time, and E-mails come n' go as often as I'd like them to. It's absolutely perfect... IMO.
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I have had no such issues with my unit... in fact, it's relatively flawless. The only complaint I have about mine is that I didn't get it sooner...
It's quite fast, incredibly gorgeous, and always reliable. No dropped calls, SMS always on time, and E-mails come n' go as often as I'd like them to. It's absolutely perfect... IMO.
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Exactly the same for me, except for the self-enforced blip with the virus yesterday!
I'm having some problems aswell! And that was even before I started flashing the ROM... Sometimes, it gets so slow that I can't do anything - This happens especially if it has been charged over night. The next day it'll take some time before it reacts (when unlocking) firstly, it takes a lot of time after I press one of the buttons and then secondly the unlock slider can be moved to the side without unlocking.
Sometimes the SMS function just slows down incredibly - It takes a second to respond each letter and it can't keep up with spaces.
I usually close all of my tasks so there is no more than 2-3 running at the time. It just begins to feel so unreliable.
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just flash 1.72 firmware, it is blazing fast and the battery life will be better too!
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You mean this? http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-official-firmware-v1-72-for-asia/
I have a USHD2 from T-mobile, this update is for the Asian version of the HD2.
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It would be nice to know what firmware you're using. My HD2 is extremely fast, it replies instantly on nearly everything.
More information would be appreciated.
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I have a USHD2 T-mobile. OS Version 5.2.21889 (21889.5.0.87) ROM Date: 2/22/10.
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You mean this? http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-official-firmware-v1-72-for-asia/
I have a USHD2 from T-mobile, this update is for the Asian version of the HD2.
I have a USHD2 T-mobile. OS Version 5.2.21889 (21889.5.0.87) ROM Date: 2/22/10.
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Also list any applications, tweaks, backups etc and sometimes it is important to remove the folder \Application Data from the SD Card before or immediately after flashing new ROM be it stock or custom.
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Also list any applications, tweaks, backups etc and sometimes it is important to remove the folder \Application Data from the SD Card before or immediately after flashing new ROM be it stock or custom.
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Flashmore
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Bone stock my friend, I haven't d/l anything or install anything to this phone, it's still a virgin.
Cause I'm about to return this thing.
Software/OS wise:
- I guess this is an Android "thing", but the phone is constanly launching random programs in the background that I had nothing to do with, and it noticeably slows the phone down. If I see Sense stuttering, I'll run ATK, kill the dozen or so random things thta somehow launched all by themselves, and the phone is snappy again. Today I was typing a text message, and the phone was so slow, it was only registering one character every 5 seconds or so in the message. I went tho ATK, a whole ****load of random stuff was running, I killed it all, text messaging goes back to normal. How can you use an OS that randomly launches apps that degrade system performance? And as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the apps, or keep them from randomly launching on thier own in the background. I thought Android apps running in the background were supposed to not use any resources? But these a re having a noticible impact, clear as day. Sluggish UI, run ATK, kill the apps, silky smooth UI.
- I despise threaded SMS and you can't turn it off.
- I hate the little gray faces in the people list, and you can't turn them off
- Don't like the transparent folder backgrounds, and you can't do anything about it.
Hardware wise:
- The volume rocker is in a terrible positoin and is way to easy to accidentally hit. And apparently you need root to do anything about by remapping the keys
- If the phone is locked, sliding out the keyboard just a little bit wakes up the phone unlocked. andthen when trying to slide the KB back in you end up hitting buttons and hittingthe volume rocker, it's just annoying
- Suffers from the iPhone 4 "holding the phone in your righthand cuts your signal strength by 3 bars" problem
I mean, by themselves, none of these is a huge deal (except the OS slowing itself to a crawl, WTF is up with that?), but add them all up, on tp of the fact I'm paying $30 more a month over my Mogul, and I think this thing is going back to the Sprint store this weekend.
Kinda shocking that 5 years later the latest Androis phone still can;t match my Mogul in terms of useability.
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Cause I'm about to return this thing.
Software/OS wise:
- I guess this is an Android "thing", but the phone is constanly launching random programs in the background that I had nothing to do with, and it noticeably slows the phone down. If I see Sense stuttering, I'll run ATK, kill the dozen or so random things thta somehow launched all by themselves, and the phone is snappy again. Today I was typing a text message, and the phone was so slow, it was only registering one character every 5 seconds or so in the message. I went tho ATK, a whole ****load of random stuff was running, I killed it all, text messaging goes back to normal. How can you use an OS that randomly launches apps that degrade system performance? And as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the apps, or keep them from randomly launching on thier own in the background.
- I despise threaded SMS and you can't turn it off.
- I hate the little gray faces in the people list, and you can't turn them off
- Don't like the transparent folder backgrounds, and you can't do anything about it.
Hardware wise:
- The volume rocker is in a terrible positoin and is way to easy to accidentally hit. And apparently you need root to do anything about by remapping the keys
- If the phone is locked, sliding out the keyboard just a little bit wakes up the phone unlocked. andthen when trying to slide the KB back in you end up hitting buttons and hittingthe volume rocker, it's just annoying
- Suffers from the iPhone 4 "holding the phone in your righthand cuts your signal strength by 3 bars" problem
I mean, by themselves, none of these is a huge deal (except the OS slowing itself to a crawl, WTF is up with that?), but add them all up, on tp of the fact I'm paying $30 more a month over my Mogul, and I think this thing is going back to the Sprint store this weekend.
Kinda shocking that 5 years later the latest Androis phone still can;t match my Mogul in terms of useability.
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Ok - a long list of complaints. I'll try to address a few, but I don't think there are any "fixes" for any of these problems.
1. Have not had this happen on this phone. Not sure what is running....what were you doing at the time? What apps do you have installed?
2. You'd prefer a single message? Not really sure I understand the issue with threaded SMS...
3. If you hate the gray faces, you can customize the picture for each person - if you don't feel like doing that, then stop complaining. To assign a picture for your contacts - Contacts - "Joe Smith" - Edit - then click the Camera to the left of the contacts name. You can assign any picture you want.
4. This is something that can be modified once we have perm. root, I believe. Is customizable if you modify LPP or ADW.
5. I see a lot of people complaining about the terrible placement. I've only hit them once when closing the phone, but they are almost in the same position as my Heroc, so it must be a habit from avoiding that rocker.
6. My slider needs to slide until I see the 2nd row of keys before the screen turns on. Not sure if yours is diff. or not, but that seems acceptable to me. Perhaps you want to put a lock code or pin on, and then it won't open to the homescreen, etc.
7. I have noticed that too, but really almost every phone has this to some effect. And I've only watched the signal strength bars in the notifications bar. We should watch the signal strength (dB) to see if there really is a drastic difference. It hasn't negatively impacted my use of the phone (on a call, or surfing the web) so I don't really see it as an issue, but more of a pet peeve.
Sorry to hear you are so turned off by your experience so far. hope some of what I've written is useful.
There is no need for a task killer. Just because you see those apps in the backround doesnt actually mean they are running. Android works different in the fact that those are stored in ram to actually save battery if you were to open those apps. It doesnt use more battery to have those apps stored in your ram. Since froyo was introduced there is no reason to use ATK unless there is an aftermarket app that you know will cause power drain.
There is an app called Volume Locker. It will keep you from being able to change the volume level.
Also, there are different dialers out there that offer different looks if you dont like the sense dialer.
I dont have any issue with my bars going down when holding my phone. The reason that happens to an Iphone is because they built the antenna around the case of the phone. It's not built like that with the shift.
Is this your 1st android phone?
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Cause I'm about to return this thing.
Software/OS wise:
- I guess this is an Android "thing", but the phone is constanly launching random programs in the background that I had nothing to do with, and it noticeably slows the phone down. If I see Sense stuttering, I'll run ATK, kill the dozen or so random things thta somehow launched all by themselves, and the phone is snappy again. Today I was typing a text message, and the phone was so slow, it was only registering one character every 5 seconds or so in the message. I went tho ATK, a whole ****load of random stuff was running, I killed it all, text messaging goes back to normal. How can you use an OS that randomly launches apps that degrade system performance? And as far as I can tell there's no way to remove the apps, or keep them from randomly launching on thier own in the background. I thought Android apps running in the background were supposed to not use any resources? But these a re having a noticible impact, clear as day. Sluggish UI, run ATK, kill the apps, silky smooth UI.
- I despise threaded SMS and you can't turn it off.
- I hate the little gray faces in the people list, and you can't turn them off
- Don't like the transparent folder backgrounds, and you can't do anything about it.
Hardware wise:
- The volume rocker is in a terrible positoin and is way to easy to accidentally hit. And apparently you need root to do anything about by remapping the keys
- If the phone is locked, sliding out the keyboard just a little bit wakes up the phone unlocked. andthen when trying to slide the KB back in you end up hitting buttons and hittingthe volume rocker, it's just annoying
- Suffers from the iPhone 4 "holding the phone in your righthand cuts your signal strength by 3 bars" problem
I mean, by themselves, none of these is a huge deal (except the OS slowing itself to a crawl, WTF is up with that?), but add them all up, on tp of the fact I'm paying $30 more a month over my Mogul, and I think this thing is going back to the Sprint store this weekend.
Kinda shocking that 5 years later the latest Androis phone still can;t match my Mogul in terms of useability.
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1) if your talking about things like FM radio, Sprint navigation, NFL, Sprint TV, etc running in the background. they arent using processor time just small bits of memory they launch in the background after certain triggers like "SMS Recieved" occur and you cant change that without full root, or you can use the temporary root and set it after every boot
2 and 3) i believe you can with handsent or chomp
3) not without full root and nand unlock
as for the rest, havent had any issues with signal either on or off my airave so i cant really replicate your issue, havent had any slowness or slowdowns compared to the painfully buggy and slow mogul for sure.
There is no need for a task killer. Just because you see those apps in the backround doesnt actually mean they are running. Android works different in the fact that those are stored in ram to actually save battery if you were to open those apps. It doesnt use more battery to have those apps stored in your ram. Since froyo was introduced there is no reason to use ATK unless there is an aftermarket app that you know will cause power drain.
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but there is. Performance on the phone is noticably slower, sliuggish screen transitions, today my text messaging was barely working at all the phone was so bogged down. Killing tasks fixes the problem, so obviously those tasks are using some system resources. If they weren't I wouldn't care that they are there, but they are having a absolute impact of the phones performance and responsiveness.
none of the apps running were crazy stuff, there's maybe 2-3 things I installed from the market (Astra and Google Maps being the most frequnt) and the rest is preinstalled stuff, Teleus GPS, Voicemail, Gmail, Amazon MP3, etc. At the low point ATK says I have aorund 30M memory free, clearing the apps out brings it up to 160.
This isn't a "things running in the background bugs me", it's "these things are slowing the phone down.
2. You'd prefer a single message? Not really sure I understand the issue with threaded SMS...
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Yeah, each messgae should be a message. Unto itself. I know some people like threaded, and that's fine, but why is there no option to turn threaded SMS off? I can specify seperate auto completoin settings for the soft keyboard and hardkeyboard for crying out loud, but I can't choose how I want text messages displayed?
3. If you hate the gray faces, you can customize the picture for each person - if you don't feel like doing that, then stop complaining. To assign a picture for your contacts - Contacts - "Joe Smith" - Edit - then click the Camera to the left of the contacts name. You can assign any picture you want.
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Yeah, pardon me while I run off to snap 150 pictures and assign them all. I should be able to customize the view to no show pictures with the contacts, not be forec to have 1 chunk of screen real estate takend up "mystery gray head man"
4. This is something that can be modified once we have perm. root, I believe. Is customizable if you modify LPP or ADW.
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Thats good to know, thanks
Also, there are different dialers out there that offer different looks if you dont like the sense dialer.
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The dialers fine, it's the contact list.
Is this your 1st android phone?
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Yeah, an I knew there' be some getting used to things, but honestly, why am I paying more for a phone I have to get used to (and launches apps to slows down it's performance by itself)? I'l just go back to my Mogul, it works how I want, and is cheaper.
they arent using processor time
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SOMETHING getting auto launched is using processor time, absolutely. When the phone is runing so slow I can;t even type a text message, and killing the running apps fixes the problem, then there's something running in the background slowing the phone down massively.
Might want to try killing apps 1 at a time to find out what the rogue process is... generally task managers do more harm than good.
You can also sync facebook photo's with contacts if any of your contacts are on your fb account... if you use facebook that is You can also assign photo's thru your gmail account on the web, that is an easier interface than on the phone.
There is really no getting around getting used to a new phone.. just takes some time to get comfortable with it. Usually a week or 2.
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but there is. Performance on the phone is noticably slower, sliuggish screen transitions, today my text messaging was barely working at all the phone was so bogged down. Killing tasks fixes the problem, so obviously those tasks are using some system resources. If they weren't I wouldn't care that they are there, but they are having a absolute impact of the phones performance and responsiveness.
none of the apps running were crazy stuff, there's maybe 2-3 things I installed from the market (Astra and Google Maps being the most frequnt) and the rest is preinstalled stuff, Teleus GPS, Voicemail, Gmail, Amazon MP3, etc. At the low point ATK says I have aorund 30M memory free, clearing the apps out brings it up to 160.
This isn't a "things running in the background bugs me", it's "these things are slowing the phone down.
SOMETHING getting auto launched is using processor time, absolutely. When the phone is runing so slow I can;t even type a text message, and killing the running apps fixes the problem, then there's something running in the background slowing the phone down massively.
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You need to read up on this article. like I said before you only need to use it when you have a bad app. Close 1 at a time until you figure out the lag issue as I havnt had a single issue at all with lag. Why you shouldn't use task killers
When you close apps that always run they have to re-open and that uses CPU. All those apps running (except the one giving you issues) arent using any cpu just stored in your memory and if they need to be ran it actually saves CPU. You obvliously have more apps running than you think because I always have at the very least 80mb free. If you decide to root your phone you can always use auto killer memory optimizer and make it so if you hit a certain point it will close the empty apps etc.
Give it some time. Your obviously and amateur Android user (Please dont take offense) and will learn how they work and love it I promise.
I think you're the first person I've heard about who prefers Windows Mobile 6.X to Android. If that's the case, more power to you. Rock that Mogul and cut your monthly bill down and save some bucks. In this economy, nobody's going to argue with you over that.
Sounds like a lot of your gripes are just getting used to the phone. I've never once accidentally hit the volume rocker but I'm coming from a Sprint Hero too, so maybe that's why. If I cup my hand around the bottom of the phone I can get it to drop a bar or two, but I never hold my phone like that under normal use so it doesn't bother me. And my phone doesn't wake up until the keyboard is halfway out (2nd row of keys). If yours wakes from barely moving, maybe something is wrong with it? Take it back for a new one and see if that fixes the problem.
I haven't noticed any slowdown but again, I'm coming from the Hero and that was just a dog trying to run factory Sense. Some people have reported improved performance after performing a factory reset (though that's typically related to data speeds). Might be worth looking into if you're still having problems.
You need to read up on this article. like I said before you only need to use it when you have a bad app. Close 1 at a time until you figure out the lag issue as I havnt had a single issue at all with lag. Why you shouldn't use task killers
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I understand the who idea of android running crap in the background, and if it really worked as advertised and was using no CPU power, I wouldn;t care if there were 100 apps in the background. Whatever is running my my background is causing moderate performance issues most of the time, and occasionally severe performance issues.
Next time it happens I'll try the "kill them 1 at a time" thing and see if I can identify the culprit.
I recognize that most of this is just preference and getting used to the phone, but the performance degradation, the volume rocker, and the signal loss are, to me, enough added up to make the phone just not worth dealing with.
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I understand the who idea of android running crap in the background, and if it really worked as advertised and was using no CPU power, I wouldn;t care if there were 100 apps in the background. Whatever is running my my background is causing moderate performance issues most of the time, and occasionally severe performance issues.
Next time it happens I'll try the "kill them 1 at a time" thing and see if I can identify the culprit.
I recognize that most of this is just preference and getting used to the phone, but the performance degradation, the volume rocker, and the signal loss are, to me, enough added up to make the phone just not worth dealing with.
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Well that sucks you find one of the sickest Android phones not up to par. Maybe you should go back to a Windows phone lol
There's always the Jesus phone.
Also, the battery is doubling as a heater. I played angrybirds for about 20 minutes, my battery is reading 106 degrees F, and my hand is starting to sweat.
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Well that sucks you find one of the sickest Android phones not up to par. Maybe you should go back to a Windows phone lol
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Well, my windows phone doesn't launch mystery apps in the background to kill my performance, doesn't have threaded SMS, doesn't have transparent folders, doesn't put little grey heads next to my contacts, doesn't have any buttons that are easily pushed by mistake, doesn't have an overheating battery, doesn't unlock and wake up when the keyboard is opened, and doesn;t lose signal strength when you pick it up. So yeah, it's kinda dominating android on those points.
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There's always the Jesus phone.
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Herb, I am quickly starting to love your posts!
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Uh, I'd be inclined to think the device is defective or you installed something janky. I have only in a few situations with z4root seen lag on this thing.
I would try a factory reset (hold volume down while powering on the device, choose from menu) and see if that doesn't help. It will wipe the handset so be prepared for that.
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Hard reset fixed most of my issues, but the only big one was the battery life anyways. Try that and hopefully it works for you too.
Life is too short to be miserable over a cell phone. Take it back and go back to the Mogul. You clearly like it better and it's cheaper per month. Win-win.
Peace out! Go rock that bad ass mogul til the wheels fall off.
Scent phrum mie fone!
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Uh, I'd be inclined to think the device is defective or you installed something janky. I have only in a few situations with z4root seen lag on this thing.
I would try a factory reset (hold volume down while powering on the device, choose from menu) and see if that doesn't help. It will wipe the handset so be prepared for that.
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How can you back up your contacts? The Sprint store copied them over from my Mogul for me, so they're all on the phone, no on my gMail account.
I'd like to hold out and see if some of these issues are fixable, because there is a lot I like about the phone too. I love the marketplace, I like the proximity sensor, I like close to 99% of Sense, the screen is gorgeous. Is there hopw that when the phone is rooted I'll be able to fix some of this stuff?
Peace out! Go rock that bad ass mogul til the wheels fall off.
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I also got about a 50/50 split betweenn yes and no on whether or not I can go back to my SERO plan if I want to.
I'll give it a week, hopefully real root will be out by then, see if it helps/give the ability to fix some of this stuff, and if not, back to the Mogul. Much love for the 30 day return window!!
Unfortunately I think to get the contacts copied over to Google you'll need to log into your Google account and manually add them.
The nice thing is though, that once you start flashing ROM's they will automatically sync.
I find it much easier to go in and streamline my contacts on my computer.
Also, if you do not use Facebook or have pics to sync up from FB you can add pictures to your Google contacts and they will sync to the phone.
I rooted my phone a few months back and it's slow switching between a few screens, mostly from calling or web browsing back to home. Painfully slow, sometimes up to a minute. It's always been like this and I just want to know if there's steps I can take to speed it up or if it's just a memory problem. I used Cyanogen 6.1 to upgrade to android 2.2.1
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G1's are just slow!
Try keeping it lite. Uninstalling apps, keeping the essential ones, app2sd?
Don't have loads of widgets on your homescreen.
Task manager, i recommend ATK.
Hope this helps.
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I rooted my phone a few months back and it's slow switching between a few screens, mostly from calling or web browsing back to home. Painfully slow, sometimes up to a minute. It's always been like this and I just want to know if there's steps I can take to speed it up or if it's just a memory problem. I used Cyanogen 6.1 to upgrade to android 2.2.1
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If you are up to it, flash different ROM. There are ROM out there that is lightweight and fast. My personal favorites is SuperAosp. Currently they just released SuperAosp 6.0 that is fast and also best on bettery life.
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G1's are just slow!
Try keeping it lite. Uninstalling apps, keeping the essential ones, app2sd?
Don't have loads of widgets on your homescreen.
Task manager, i recommend ATK.
Hope this helps.
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Well, it's slow compared to what's out there, but it isn't "one minute to switch apps" slow for me... without a task manager or auto-killer. Every time I wipe I install nine apps from Market, and ten from SD card. They may sit back and be inactive if I've opened them, but they don't just all run at once and slow down to "one minute each switch"...
I'd agree with the widgets on homescreen though. I tend to avoid them out of preference, but they 'can' eat memory faster than we can down a beer. I don't have anything locked in memory except Messaging. Depending on what I'm switching from, it doesn't usually take that long to switch. If it's something like Skyfire -then no matter what I'm doing, the G1 just dies and Skyfire force closes pretty quickly. It just cannot handle such a memory hog. If I play SNesoid, I never see a force close and it takes seconds to switch. I don't fully understand it, but consider how resource heavy your apps are.
Seems to me you have swap enabled and now it's swapping ...
Try to run without swap / compcache and see if this helps.
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Seems to me you have swap enabled and now it's swapping ...
Try to run without swap / compcache and see if this helps.
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Reducing the widgets helped a lot. It's very usable now until I need to upgrade to 4G. Thanks for the recommendation. What is swap enabled?
Might I recommend trying a different ROM? On my Samsung Vibrant, I had stock TouchWiz and it went slow as hell, I tried another custom ROM and it works great. Much much MUCH faster, trust me get a different ROM, ask around for the best most light weight one, Super AOSP w what someone recommended here? Try that.
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Def check froyobylazlo 5.2 you'll need the new radio/spl hack by ezterry but its soo worth it. Auto memory manager helps out greatly too cuz its based off androids internal tasker instead of just another program made from someone else. With that app your g1 will fly even on default settings, on extreme....lol thank me later
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My G1 got slower recently, but not one minute slower. I've been really good about not installing anything except I configured titanium backup to run automatically, but the home screen has been crashing a lot too for some reason.
All I did was create three shortcuts for calling and texting someone. Those aren't the same as widgets are they?