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Hi all,
I'm a new PPC user and I love the customization and features that the phone offers, but I have one major gripe right now that's making me debate keeping the phone. I'm working with a XV6800 and I'm a frequent texter and the slowdown due to what I'm sure are a variety of things is really bothering me.
When I soft-reset the phone, everything is quite speedy, but over the course of the day, my memory starts to "leak" and everything slows down. It'll sometimes take my phone 3 to 5 second to switch from vertical to horizontal when I open the keyboard, another few seconds to open and look at the message, and then once I start typing, the letters drag behind at a speed much slower than the one I'm typing at.
My question is, will going with a stable ROM such as DCD's or Custel's when he releases one and keeping the number of applications I install and run to a minimum solve this completely? I'm experiencing this even after a few hours use with no other programs running, so I don't think that's the way a phone should operate "smoothly." Or am I completely wrong, is this just something I have to get used to and accept? If that's the case, I may be considering the wrong phone.
In addition, what about threaded SMS? Will that have any effect on this text messaging delay?
In summary, I'm looking to get rid of the delay in all of my apps and across the whole phone, not just in texting, but that's the best and most notable example I have. Any advice on speeding it up would be appreciated for these specific issues, but before I run out of time, I want to make sure this is a solveable issue.
Finally, on a separate note, is there any downside to doing several soft-resets a day if necessary? Eventually over the next week or so I want to tweak it to not have to do this, but for now, is that ok?
Thanks!
My question is, will going with a stable ROM such as DCD's or Custel's when he releases one and keeping the number of applications I install and run to a minimum solve this completely?
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Yes
i was ready to throw the phone out the car window until i installed dcd's rom. it is faster and the phone is just better now. now i love my phone.
In summary, I'm looking to get rid of the delay in all of my apps and across the whole phone, not just in texting, but that's the best and most notable example I have. Any advice on speeding it up would be appreciated for these specific issues, but before I run out of time, I want to make sure this is a solveable issue.
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best thing for a speed is to get rid of the stock rom with custel or dcd's rom has higher pagepool and other tweaks. dcd's is very polished.
the phone is garbage with the stock rom. the memory leak is still an issue and is a "feature" built into windows mobile. i use oxios hibernate to release the memory though out the day. soft resets used to be twice a day with the stock rom, now it is once a week if that.
Finally, on a separate note, is there any downside to doing several soft-resets a day if necessary? Eventually over the next week or so I want to tweak it to not have to do this, but for now, is that ok?
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no downside other than you shouldnt have to do it. the stock rom is just garbage for even making you have to do it.
where do i find the other roms? sorry im new and don't have a whole lot of time at work to search.
does anybody have a major problem with hero lagging. It is really annoying. I was wondering if rooting the hero can fix this problem. If not do you guys think the 2.1 update will fix it.
What ROM are you running? What apps do you normally have running in the background? Are you using a Task Killer that automatically kills apps on a set time frame? Have you tried doing a factory reset/wipe to see if it makes a difference? And finally, where do you see the lag the most? Is it in a particular application, or are you judging the "lagginess" based on moving back and forth from your home screens in SenseUI?
Answering ALL of these questions will help us understand what you're seeing a little better. Your question is a little vague, and your answers will probably help you get some more support from folks on here.
Thanks!
My phone was laggy too. I rooted it and put the fresh rom on it and I saw a big improvement in overall performance. Still not as fast as my old iphone 3gs, but I would never go back. I also don't use task manager anymore. It always runs in the background and drains your battery faster.
I was having the same issue.. and I narrowed it down to Handcent(SMS) of all things..
phone was fast until I installed it.. then it ran like a dog.... then I uninstalled handcent and speed it actually usable now..
I would like to see confirmation of this from others as well..
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I was having the same issue.. and I narrowed it down to Handcent(SMS) of all things..
phone was fast until I installed it.. then it ran like a dog.... then I uninstalled handcent and speed it actually usable now..
I would like to see confirmation of this from others as well..
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Yeah handcent killed me, made the phone not just a dog, but a wounded dog born with 2 legs. 10x worse than the stock hero app, which is bad.
I'm running handcent, but I haven't noticed any specific slowdowns from it. It can take a while to load the main handcent screen when you have lots and lots of texts in there, but I usually clear them out when I get over 100 or so anyway.
Check to see that you have the most recent version of Handcent. I think I read that there was a performance bug related to their special "with Christmas animations" holiday release (that has since been fixed).
Also, remember to clear the boot-cache directory and reboot after upgrading apps ('rm -r /data/boot-cache/*'; reboot). The Hero has problems with caching apps after upgrades (so you aren't actually running the upgrade version). I have no idea if this was fixed in the newer ROMS. I'm running Fresh and still do it, as it only takes a sec (if you have the android-sdk and root set up).
Turning off HandCent popup notifications resulted in a substantial performance increase for me. Which is good, as I really like the features HC adds (such as voice-to-text).
I had the latest version and it was always cleared out sms wise. and I never used popup notifications.. they were annoying.. and I just got a fresh replacement of the Hero (warrantee) and its still on stock rom and Handcent still killed it.. in one day..
i have not rooted, pure stock phone. only app i think runs in background is email and loopt
I notice the lag from everything to sense UI to the clock taking 2-3 secs to update to my contacts scrolling, to text message lag, to calling even lags. like anything and everything can lag.
It all has to do with this bug in Android 1.5:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3453
I'm running AOSP 1.6 on my Hero right now and it is ridiculously fast.
So yes, I think that the 2.1 update (which hopefully will come out soon) is going to fix these issues for us.
on your location settings turn off "network location" then reboot..your lag will be gone...and make sure you have a task manager installed too and end your apps so they take over your processor
Task managers are a waste of time.
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Task managers are a waste of time.
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I agree with this statement.
Sawawa said:
It all has to do with this bug in Android 1.5:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3453
I'm running AOSP 1.6 on my Hero right now and it is ridiculously fast.
So yes, I think that the 2.1 update (which hopefully will come out soon) is going to fix these issues for us.
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This is very true. I was running the 2.1 build from here the last few days (thought I had to revert due to missing some texts and voicemail) and it's much speedier. It uses the HTC keyboard, but it's much faster in its response, almost instantaneous. The location bug really does suck up a lot of CPU time.
Also, maybe its just me, but I think it's important to remember the kind of device we're using, the hardware involved, and what you're asking it to do. It's not like you're walking around with a quad core CPU and 4GB of RAM in your pocket, but it seems a lot of people think it should respond as if that's what it has. It's a phone, yes, and it should be able to do phone stuff quickly if possible, but look at all it can and is doing. If you need absolute speed, get a dumb phone that can't browse the web, play games, or do just about anything. It'll run just fine.
handcent never made my phone lag. The only thing that made my phone lag was HTC's battery widget. Damn thing slowed my phone down so I uninstalled it and phone is running back fast again. I still use task manager because I do notice once to many apps are open it lags. Don't care what anyone says it happens on my phone. I do have a lot of applications on ignore though.
Try disabling Location services.
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I used to wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, until I read a kickass article explaining how Android actively manages memory.
Now, I also agree with this statement 100%. I don't even use my paid task manager app anymore. :/
I'm starting to feel like I been had on the HD2 1GHz SD processor. Sometimes I press the Home Key and all the keys will light up but the screen won't come on. Ill even press the Send Key, End Key or Window Key, nothing. I have to hold down the End Key and the screen will show up in a very slow fade-in sequence. Than I can slide to unlock (which is very slow as well) and the Homescreen will pop up but everything is slow or lagging, even the weather animation.
My friends Droid which is only 500MHz is blazing fast, faster than my HD2, how the hell lol? Also my 2G iPhone at 400MHz is faster too. I wasn't running a stock 8GB iPhone either, it was jail-broken on T-mobile and was filled with nearly 6GB of stuff. I had 3 pages of apps, running a custom Nexus One theme with an RSS weather/news feed on the second page and a Nexus one live wallpaper lock-screen. Although it had its share of slowdown between menus and such, it was faster than this phone.
What can I do to speed up this phone (or get my advertised 1GHz), I mean 1GHz I should be flying through the tabs and screens but it lags almost everywhere, even the keyboard is such a pain when its lagging or because of an incoming message or MMS it downloads. Twitter is soo bad at times, it's frustrating. I don't want to be like everyone else and give up on it already, I really like this phone but what can I do to fix these issues? There needs to be an OS update ASAP, phone is glitchy as hell.
P.S. I'm starting to think T-mobile knows this phone isn't as fast as the processor says, all there ads talk about the size of the screen but never about the (so far) industry leading 1 GHz Snap Dragon Processor. Apple is always showing off how fast the iPhone is.
Sounds like you have a problem with your software- my HD2 works snappy and fine.
The original HTC SMS app has a slowdown issue when you have over about 3000 SMSes in the database, you can use the default Microsoft one (search for "Zenyee disable messaging"). Also for my particular device (T9193 Telstra version) they changed SMS in a ROM update so it isn't so bad any more.
The fastest processor in the world can't overcome software glitches. WiMo 6.5 was never optimized to run snapdragon imo since it was out the door anyway.
This is why the iPhone is so stable. Apple controls the software and hardware, and each are optimized to the max, so a slower processor feels faster.
Your friends Droid basically is doing the same thing, in that, the OS is better optimized to use the 500mhz processor.
Same here. The HD2 is laggy, not all the time, but much of the time. It spoils the whole experience because it's unpredictable. I also found the Droid to be laggy and unresponsive. While playing with it at a Verizon store, I was constantly missing swipes and clicks. Only the iphone has impressed me with consistently reliable responsiveness.
I have had no problems with my HD2.... it's the fastest phone I've ever had. Always fast and snappy. I can play playstation games at full speed, run windows 95 at a good speed. It runs everything I throw at it with ease.
its also the fastest phone i've played with, minus maybe the nexus one. compared to every other non-snapdragon phone, there's virtually no lag anywhere other than when opening applications or something.
all the previous windows phones were super laggy, but i feel like the hd2 just rocks. a couple of iphoners have even said its freakishly smooth during navigation or in opera
I have not really had any lag issues on the phone, only a few when I am taxing it.
The iPhone does not really allow true multitasking and was designed for that hardware. Often times people forget to check task manager and kill applications they dont need running. WM6.5 was not taylored to any hardware so its not quite as snappy but I prefer this greatly over my wifes 3gs
I always get random lag too...I believe its due to WM 6.5
Thats why I'm waiting for WM7 to come out so bad, since it will be optimized for the processor.
Bad slowdowns are due to some software crashing and hogging all resources. Soft reset, and if it repeats just start getting rid of the programs you installed and find the culprit.
exchange it for a new one. sounds like u got a lemmon.
Why are some HD2s laggy ?
Check:
1. free internal RAM (if lots of pics are in the album the cache eats the RAM: move it to storage card)
2. Opera-Cache: move it to SD-card. when cache is full and new sites loaded into cache after ending Opera there is some delay in reaction of HD2 for 1 minute till cache is cleared.
3. See sticky threads to optimize registry
4. Install SKTools and run full background automatic services and after installation of apps "Autoclean". SKTools is really worth it´s prize.
5. Get "Junk Cleaner" (free) and once in a while clean junk
6. Check which mods You have installed (wallpapers, themes etc.) and if You have uninstalled old ones before applying the new ones. You can mess up quite a bit the speed with this.
This WM-device is tempting to install (and then uninstall) apps on the fly leaving a lotta crap in reg and temp-folder which You rarely do on Your PC or Notebook thus slowing down Your HD2. Any other phone would have frozen in the mess the instant but Snapdragon handles it, but slow.
My HD2 is blazing fast (faster than some Netbooks/Notebooks) and more usable than almost all netbooks since I follow the above advice (once again 1000 TX to XDA-pros here, they solved almost all my problems)
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Bad slowdowns are due to some software crashing and hogging all resources. Soft reset, and if it repeats just start getting rid of the programs you installed and find the culprit.
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I have not installed any programs and I'm constantly ending task and still no help. The phone has some major bugs.
just flash 1.72 firmware, it is blazing fast and the battery life will be better too!
It would be nice to know what firmware you're using. My HD2 is extremely fast, it replies instantly on nearly everything.
More information would be appreciated.
I have had no such issues with my unit... in fact, it's relatively flawless. The only complaint I have about mine is that I didn't get it sooner...
It's quite fast, incredibly gorgeous, and always reliable. No dropped calls, SMS always on time, and E-mails come n' go as often as I'd like them to. It's absolutely perfect... IMO.
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I have had no such issues with my unit... in fact, it's relatively flawless. The only complaint I have about mine is that I didn't get it sooner...
It's quite fast, incredibly gorgeous, and always reliable. No dropped calls, SMS always on time, and E-mails come n' go as often as I'd like them to. It's absolutely perfect... IMO.
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Exactly the same for me, except for the self-enforced blip with the virus yesterday!
I'm having some problems aswell! And that was even before I started flashing the ROM... Sometimes, it gets so slow that I can't do anything - This happens especially if it has been charged over night. The next day it'll take some time before it reacts (when unlocking) firstly, it takes a lot of time after I press one of the buttons and then secondly the unlock slider can be moved to the side without unlocking.
Sometimes the SMS function just slows down incredibly - It takes a second to respond each letter and it can't keep up with spaces.
I usually close all of my tasks so there is no more than 2-3 running at the time. It just begins to feel so unreliable.
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just flash 1.72 firmware, it is blazing fast and the battery life will be better too!
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You mean this? http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-official-firmware-v1-72-for-asia/
I have a USHD2 from T-mobile, this update is for the Asian version of the HD2.
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It would be nice to know what firmware you're using. My HD2 is extremely fast, it replies instantly on nearly everything.
More information would be appreciated.
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I have a USHD2 T-mobile. OS Version 5.2.21889 (21889.5.0.87) ROM Date: 2/22/10.
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You mean this? http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-official-firmware-v1-72-for-asia/
I have a USHD2 from T-mobile, this update is for the Asian version of the HD2.
I have a USHD2 T-mobile. OS Version 5.2.21889 (21889.5.0.87) ROM Date: 2/22/10.
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Also list any applications, tweaks, backups etc and sometimes it is important to remove the folder \Application Data from the SD Card before or immediately after flashing new ROM be it stock or custom.
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Also list any applications, tweaks, backups etc and sometimes it is important to remove the folder \Application Data from the SD Card before or immediately after flashing new ROM be it stock or custom.
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Flashmore
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Bone stock my friend, I haven't d/l anything or install anything to this phone, it's still a virgin.
I find Sense is a resource hog... I mean a real hungry hog on this at$t Tilt2 and their latest rom. Read in a few other posts where I'm not the only one that experiences this. gwes.exe grows and grows and grows....and memory just will not release when closing programs. The phone comes to a crawl, down to 20mb left of memory, phone starts closing programs on its own so no multi tasking….time to restart. Even then, there is over FORTYmb of memory difference between running it over Windows default! I don’t even have to open any programs, just navigate Sense’s menus and memory drops like a rock!
Trying Mobile Shell now and the difference is night and day. Sense IMO is still a better looking, more intuitive interface. Mobile Shell is too complicated and over down. Great features there, but too much IMO. But it looks like I gotta stick with SPB Mobile Shell because my phone is so unreliable with Sense running, and it runs like it is suppose to with Mobile Shell.
OK... rant over...
Flash a custom ROM. I like Sense, run it with Cookies Home Tab (which is also a resource hog, but love it too) on the newest Energy ROM, and typically have 60-70 mb (or more) Program Memory free after using the phone all day.
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Flash a custom ROM. I like Sense, run it with Cookies Home Tab (which is also a resource hog, but love it too) on the newest Energy ROM, and typically have 60-70 mb (or more) Program Memory free after using the phone all day.
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I don't want to flash a custom rom as of right now. This phone is my business line, so I can't afford to get that deep into customization. I've done it with the old Tilt, but right now a custom rom is not an option.
I am using Cookies, and the icon pack. Found they do not effect Sense's appetite for memory. With or without those two, Sense will gobble 40mb regardless. And cause gwes.exe to grow from there.
I've also noticed my battery life is 'about' 25% better with Sense turned off.
True. I experience the same thing. But you have to remember why it's there in the first place. Sense is almost a replacement of WiMo(Not hiting towards the OS part)
The entire UI is redone and every single click is done in sense with no direct interaction with WiMo. And we can both agree, HTC did a good job with the sense. I myself was on a 1st Gen Samsung Omnia before i got my HTC TP2, and that was with a stock WiMo and only included stuff like a dial-app, and a mp3 player and stuff like that. Everything else including SMS was done directly in WiMo and i will take A Memory hog over that any day.
That being said, there is stuff HTC or Developers here could do:
Isolate the biggest RAM-Sink. You mention gwes.exe yourself(Which is actually not HTC but Microsoft)* And try to find out why they continuesly take up more and more ram and try to fix it.
Split up sense so different tasks are handled by different applications, which after you are done can be killed with easy to save RAM(Composing Email/SMS, Weather Check, Contactlist, Music player, ETC ETC.) I know some of this is already done, but there more could be done more.
Work on how do decrease RAM usage for different parts of Sense. Maybe even contact some Developers from this community or other communities(A_C of S2 would be a great place to start)
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"Gwes is the Graphical Windowing and Event Subsystem. It’s one little program that draws all the controls on the device like scrollbars, buttons, and checkboxes. It also handles passing window messages back and forth between applications and manages the WndProcs of all of the programs on the device that are displaying UI."
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The WinMo 6.5 Start Menu is the biggest memory hog of all. You can improve things dramatically by disabling the standard start menu and using either QuickMenu or OCMan's start menu replacement.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621800
http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000...8000-modaco-com/318725/free-up-even-more-ram/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7937478&postcount=16392
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711914
To disable the start menu, use one of Arto's Start Menu Remove cabs.
To restore your start menu use one of Hayami's Start Menu Restore cabs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7690749&postcount=43
Use the ControPanel_shotcuts download to activate Settings in QuickMenu.
I start up with 94MB Ram on a Tilt 2 with dozens of apps installed, and it's typically at 75MB after a week.
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You mention gwes.exe yourself(Which is actually not HTC but Microsoft)*
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I am already familiar with gwes.exe. Been in the WinMo world long enough to know by now it is part of the OS.
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WiMo and i will take A Memory hog over that any day.
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I don't mind a resource hog myself, makes for faster operation... if... you have enough resources to go around. But this phone just doesn't have enough memory to multitask with Sense running too.
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Sense is almost a replacement of WiMo(Not hiting towards the OS part)
The entire UI is redone and every single click is done in sense with no direct interaction with WiMo. )
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I would agree, or better yet, Sense is an effort to make some of the WinMo apps finger friendly and intuitive. For the most part they succeded. I would take exception to some, like Contact editing. While their contact editor is FF, I still find myself clicking the more button to enter data, and back to WinMo's contact editor it goes.
Edit: and another waste IMO, is the drop-down menus. I like the look and feel of the WinMo menus better.
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The WinMo 6.5 Start Menu is the biggest memory hog of all. You can improve things dramatically by disabling the standard start menu and using either QuickMenu or OCMan's start menu replacement.
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Thanks for the links, time for some more reading.
Sometimes I wish I could just be a noob tho... have someone hold my hand and guide me... step... by... step.
Quickmenu was mentioned above. One user, colossus_r has gone the extra mile and included all the settings in his version of Quickmenu. I used to use his version before NRGZ28 started cooking it into his ROMs.
If you do decide to use any version of QuickMenu, it would behoove you to increase the distance between the items in the menu. This give a better look to the menu as well as making it more finger-friendly. Do do this (after installing everything, of course), bring up Quickmenu, and tap QuickMenu > Option > View tab, and then set Menu item edge to 16.
Bookmarking this.
I know the problem you speak of, and my solution was to use cleanRAM.exe. Great little program, you can choose how "deep" it cleans, is fast, and it does the job quite well. After a run, it has brought RAM usage down to ~%50, or about 90mb, with Sense on. It's the one program I brought over from my old Q9, and I'm glad I did.
I really liked Sense/TF3D (or what ever you call it), till I tried to run 3rd party apps. A few games would not even run, others would start after a few min.
NFS shift will not even run with it running but, with Sense turned off, it runs fine on my TP2... Stock rom (well, Mr. X's fixed stock rom), with no Sense (just 6.5) I will boot up my phone with 90mb+ free.
It's just too bad that apps don't run right under it..or I would use it.
Without flashing a custom rom your limited... however if you download the htcAddicts.com cleanRam and run it after you open and close 2 or more apps, you will find it will free up alot of memory as your correct the stock sense rom leaks and uses memory like a monster.. Hope ya try this im sure you'll be pleased.
The 15 day trial for Mobile Shell ran out for me. Decided I didn't wanna use Mobile Shell, so uninstalled it. Ran Sense again... and within 15mins phone is lagging and or locking up. Memory dropped below 20meg..
Time to load a custom rom... or learn to cook my own. Me tinks the at$t rom would be just fine, if I can unload all the gawd dam bloatware.
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The 15 day trial for Mobile Shell ran out for me. Decided I didn't wanna use Mobile Shell, so uninstalled it. Ran Sense again... and within 15mins phone is lagging and or locking up. Memory dropped below 20meg..
Time to load a custom rom... or learn to cook my own. Me tinks the at$t rom would be just fine, if I can unload all the gawd dam bloatware.
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If you don't want a custom ROM, the easiest way to reclaim memory is to replace the Start Menu. It, by itself, eats about 20MB of RAM ALL THE TIME!
QuickMenu is a favorite of mine. There are several Start Menu replacements, though. NRGZ28 has 5 options cooked into the Energy ROMs.
Also, check \Windows\Start Up folder to see what you can remove from there. The stock TMoUS ROMs were easy to clean up that way.
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If you don't want a custom ROM, the easiest way to reclaim memory is to replace the Start Menu. It, by itself, eats about 20MB of RAM ALL THE TIME!
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Working on that option this week to see how it works.
I haven't done a hard reset yet either and started over. I normally install apps and tweak a lot after installing a new rom, then hard reset and only install/tweak what I liked. Haven't done that yet with the latest at$t rom.
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I don't want to flash a custom rom as of right now. This phone is my business line, so I can't afford to get that deep into customization. I've done it with the old Tilt, but right now a custom rom is not an option.
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I was the same way with my old tilt, roms,roms and more roms ..then i got the new tilt2 , kept it stock for the first year , i played with several add-on's even had Mobile Shell which i loved but the phone was a bit too laggy, i then bit the bullet this past month and installed the lastest rom upgrade from AT&T reinstalled Mobile Shell , still was not happy about performance, so I finally broke down Hspld and then found basically a stock rom with all the garbage removed.. .wowsers finally it was fast and stable with Mobile Shell (disliked sense) . So what i am getting at, is to go ahead and make the plunge unlock it flash the simplest rom ....I am a business user so my phone is very important to me in keeping my wallet supplied with greenbacks..
the biggest reason i like Mobileshell is it is easy to use and has as many favorite people that i want listed...have about twenty manufacturers on the that page ..
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. Haven't done that yet with the latest at$t rom.
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Not much of a difference, the boatware kills the upgrade..not really worth it IMO
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Ok look as much as I do agree with you that on a stock rom with very little fixes and alterations the sense ui may take up tons of memory. BUT!!!!!! On a custom rom with minor adjustments it works great, I use it to on a day to day bases with the energy rom and it completely keeps up with me. Battery life is great I get live update for e-mails, use it to do some research on the net and i utilize all that sense brings together. In other words all I'm really trying to say is, HTC made a great job consolidating all these tools that we use on a day to day bases into a single ui. If u were to run individual programs to do everything that sense brings together, ur phone would be as slow as Forest Gump from lack of memory.
Try flashing EnergyROM! NGRZ added some different start menu options than can save 20-30 mbs or ram, it makes using SenseUI snappy!
I'm getting quite annoyed at my phone's lack of RAM.
I browse the internet and constantly open new windows (up to the max 4 allowed by the HTC browser, but that's another story) so that I can quickly go back a page when I need to.
If for some reason I go and use a couple of other apps on the phone, and then come back to the browser I constantly find that the oldest 3 pages have dropped completely out of RAM, and the 4th one has as well, and that last one alone loads up again.
This is annoying, time-consuming and messes up my browsing session. Is there some way I can prioritise the browser so that most other apps get killed off before it does?
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I'm getting quite annoyed at my phone's lack of RAM.
I browse the internet and constantly open new windows (up to the max 4 allowed by the HTC browser, but that's another story) so that I can quickly go back a page when I need to.
If for some reason I go and use a couple of other apps on the phone, and then come back to the browser I constantly find that the oldest 3 pages have dropped completely out of RAM, and the 4th one has as well, and that last one alone loads up again.
This is annoying, time-consuming and messes up my browsing session. Is there some way I can prioritise the browser so that most other apps get killed off before it does?
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Try using firefox instead on the defualt browser .its not perfect yet but its getting
better and better with every beta release .
I don't think an alternate browser will help with Android unwantedly killing off processes.
Incidentally, I tried Firefox a couple of months ago and found it to be completely unusable - I take it it's worth checking out again now then?
Another possibility is to set the Android memory manager to be less aggressive in removing things from memory (you can use an app like AutoKiller to change the settings easily---try tweaking the settings to see if helps with your usage model).
I know AutoKiller will also allow you to lower the oom value for the process (the lower the oom, the less likely the memory manager will kill it in the background), but I don't think this will help for the browser (since the OS will dynamically change its oom each time you bring it to the foreground and send it to the background again). If someone knows a way to make the oom value permanently lower, that sounds like exactly what you want.
Maybe someone else has some ideas. I know often times launchers will have the option to keep themselves in memory, and CM6 has the option to keep messaging in memory (more like your situation), so it should be doable.
setspeed said:
I don't think an alternate browser will help with Android unwantedly killing off processes.
Incidentally, I tried Firefox a couple of months ago and found it to be completely unusable - I take it it's worth checking out again now then?
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defo ,its much better now i figured since you were annoyed by 4 tab limit
you might find firefox helpful. because it doesnt have limit or if it does its more than 4 for sure also it has an aption called (your tabs from last time) which again i think
you will find it usefull ,you can also sync it with you pcs firefox too .
EDIT: I just tried it to make sure, even if you reboot your phone
and open firefox again you can just press on (your tabs from last time)
and it will restore them all.
The way I see it there are a few things you can do...
Firstly, you could try a renice script. It does what other people have suggested and changes the oomph value to what you like. It was commonly used on the g1 for the dialer so that you wouldn't miss phone calls lol. Its easy to do if you know the syntax, I would make you one myself if I was near a computer lol.
Another thing you could do is try an aosp/CM based rom, as those generally have much, much lower ram usage compared to sense.
Lastly you could try a different browser. There are so many to choose from I'm sure one will fit your needs.
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I use autokiller on my DZ, you have to have root to use this tho... quite satisfied about it, almost all the time 90+ free ram even when doing heavy stuff... quits the unused shizzle...
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I HIGHLY recommend Dolphin Browser HD.
It is significantly faster than the stock Browser and I have had no issues with Android closing it down. One feature I like is that there is actually an 'Exit' button in the menu for those individuals who have OCD like me and don't like the Browser running in the background when not wanted.
Thus far, this is the best mobile Browser I have used. That being said, I have not tried Firefox and have been a regular user of Opera Mini in the past on other devices.
You should try miren browser once, i'm using it now instead of dolphin hd, and there is a exit button in the menu to. I think its better styled, it has got all the features of dolphin HD without all the bloating around... no gestures tho
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I think its more of poorly optimized software because im pretty sure that google devs don't even utilize the full 512mb of RAM in 2.2. Chances are its the HTC sense limiting you.
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Yeah I don't think this issue is anything to do with a lack of RAM.
I may try another ROM, however I'm just not up for flashing all the time like I used to with my old Desire or G1 before that. I want a 100% working ROM, preferably something that allows overclocking with a kernel that doesn't break stuff.
And I also want my HTC phone dialler/contacts as well, not vanilla or a cheap copy from the Market. Oh, and I hate the vanilla lockscreen - it's just hard to operate compared to the Sense one. I don't know why it's so hard to unlock side to side on Android - the iPhone takes a little flick and it's unlocked - vanilla Android is like a mission to ensure I've dragged it far enough across to unlock.
And I don't want my keyboard or capacitive keys or quick keys mullered up (I am running a Euro DZ).
If these issues can be dealt with easily when setting up the ROM/phone then I'm prepared to devote a little time to doing it.
So - any suggestions, please?
dont use htc sense roms.
I'm running the virtuous sense rom with his advanced kernel, ive ran the normal rom about 2 weeks, and ive yet to see differences other then a huuuuuuuge speed increase... i would just try it once if i were you its such a relieve...
I played with the latest over the weekend. I ended up uninstalling it. I'd hit a page with scripting and then firefox would lock up and crash.
Web2Go isn't perfect, but at least it doesn't crash as often.
This has nothing to do with RAM. This phone handles RAM just fine. Use Miren and thank me later. It's the best browser by far!
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You should try miren browser once, i'm using it now instead of dolphin hd, and there is a exit button in the menu to. I think its better styled, it has got all the features of dolphin HD without all the bloating around... no gestures tho
cheers
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No text reflow = showstopper.
Unless I'm just being blind, I can't find any way to enable this in the settings for Miren.
It's sense. Sense roms use way more RAM than vanilla roms do. Also check out dolphin HD or dolphin mini browser.
Another issue I'm having which points to lack of RAM (whether this is due to Sense sucking it all up or not) is that programs do not stay in in RAM for that long, ie I go away from an app then return after using a few other apps (not massive games or anything) and when I return the first app's UI has been kicked out of memory and has to load up again, causing anything between a momentary (dialler, mesaging) to an annoyingly long (browser, maps, market) white screen, as data is downloaded again.
People talk a lot of sh*t about the iPhone, but cacheing (caching? sp?) a copy of the last screen for each app before it's closed so you instantly get a visual image of the UI of the app following the opening animation is a pretty good idea IMO.
Has anyone here used the Desire HD? I would think with the 768MB of RAM on that badboy this would be less of a problem.
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Another issue I'm having which points to lack of RAM (whether this is due to Sense sucking it all up or not) is that programs do not stay in in RAM for that long, ie I go away from an app then return after using a few other apps (not massive games or anything) and when I return the first app's UI has been kicked out of memory and has to load up again, causing anything between a momentary (dialler, mesaging) to an annoyingly long (browser, maps, market) white screen, as data is downloaded again.
People talk a lot of sh*t about the iPhone, but cacheing (caching? sp?) a copy of the last screen for each app before it's closed so you instantly get a visual image of the UI of the app following the opening animation is a pretty good idea IMO.
Has anyone here used the Desire HD? I would think with the 768MB of RAM on that badboy this would be less of a problem.
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I've now installed Enomther's Official rom - what a difference to the speed of the phone! It absolutely flies, even when clocked at a lower CPU speed, and it appears to retain stuff in memory a lot better than the standard Sense rom. Also, there's over 100MB more of free RAM afte a fresh boot.
I'm definitely sold on the efficiency of stock Android, but I'm now missing some of my HTC goodies... I don't think anyone can deny that the HTC dialler is a different level to the rudimentary Android one. And I am missing my HTC browser - that seems a bit smoother, and the text reflow is more reliable, the stock browser seems a bit temperamental on that front.
Other than that, I can live without all the other Sense stuff. So my next question is, can the dialler and browser be installed on my new rom? Do they have any dependencies which would prevent me using them? How would I go about ripping the apps from the HTC rom? I'm an ADB noob so I need some kind expert to tell me how