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Keyboard response time

Is there any way to speed up the response of the keyboard? Because when im txting, i'll be done way before it puts everything in that i typed.

Id like to know this one too or is it more the speed of the phone youre using, available storage etc?

This is one of those annoyingly simple questions that has no single easy answer.
At one level a WM phone is running a host of services that a regular phone doesn't and therefore it is unlikely to be as "crisp" as a basic phone.
However there are variables that can be looked at and some are more complex than others.
Can you reduce the number of background running programs?
Can you flash a different ROM that is lite on some greedy services and indeed do you want to if it means loss of functionality for other things?
Perhaps there are registry tweaks that are relevant
Is the phone really slow or is it you that is a very fast texter? (might sound daft but in order to decide if your phone is slower than other Hermes, then we'd need something to guage it by.
Perhaps a simple Hard Reset might clean things out?
Perhaps test with a soft reset before testing to see if it is faster. If it is then the system is getting clogged by a process or program?
Have you done much customising of the phone?
What ROM are you using?
Have you loaded customisation of the today screen and if so does it work faster without it?
Do you use push email or other polling services like weather apps?
Is the keyboard just as "laggy" when using Pocket Word or is it only laggy when texting?
Is the phone generally laggy when tapping icons for example? A very general guide to how well the device is running is how long it takes to orientate from portrait to landscape when opening the keyboard. Anything more than around 3 or 4 seconds means there are probably things that can be done to speed things up.
All things to consider and indeed speed is probably one of the most important factors behind folk choosing to flash new ROMs. However, I'd look at some of the more basic things above before flashing a new one.
It will always help people to make suggestions if you provide as much detail as possible. Lack of info. often results in few answers to questions.
Mike

Hero Lag

does anybody have a major problem with hero lagging. It is really annoying. I was wondering if rooting the hero can fix this problem. If not do you guys think the 2.1 update will fix it.

What ROM are you running? What apps do you normally have running in the background? Are you using a Task Killer that automatically kills apps on a set time frame? Have you tried doing a factory reset/wipe to see if it makes a difference? And finally, where do you see the lag the most? Is it in a particular application, or are you judging the "lagginess" based on moving back and forth from your home screens in SenseUI?
Answering ALL of these questions will help us understand what you're seeing a little better. Your question is a little vague, and your answers will probably help you get some more support from folks on here.
Thanks!

My phone was laggy too. I rooted it and put the fresh rom on it and I saw a big improvement in overall performance. Still not as fast as my old iphone 3gs, but I would never go back. I also don't use task manager anymore. It always runs in the background and drains your battery faster.

I was having the same issue.. and I narrowed it down to Handcent(SMS) of all things..
phone was fast until I installed it.. then it ran like a dog.... then I uninstalled handcent and speed it actually usable now..
I would like to see confirmation of this from others as well..

tyrnight said:
I was having the same issue.. and I narrowed it down to Handcent(SMS) of all things..
phone was fast until I installed it.. then it ran like a dog.... then I uninstalled handcent and speed it actually usable now..
I would like to see confirmation of this from others as well..
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Yeah handcent killed me, made the phone not just a dog, but a wounded dog born with 2 legs. 10x worse than the stock hero app, which is bad.

I'm running handcent, but I haven't noticed any specific slowdowns from it. It can take a while to load the main handcent screen when you have lots and lots of texts in there, but I usually clear them out when I get over 100 or so anyway.

Check to see that you have the most recent version of Handcent. I think I read that there was a performance bug related to their special "with Christmas animations" holiday release (that has since been fixed).
Also, remember to clear the boot-cache directory and reboot after upgrading apps ('rm -r /data/boot-cache/*'; reboot). The Hero has problems with caching apps after upgrades (so you aren't actually running the upgrade version). I have no idea if this was fixed in the newer ROMS. I'm running Fresh and still do it, as it only takes a sec (if you have the android-sdk and root set up).

Turning off HandCent popup notifications resulted in a substantial performance increase for me. Which is good, as I really like the features HC adds (such as voice-to-text).

I had the latest version and it was always cleared out sms wise. and I never used popup notifications.. they were annoying.. and I just got a fresh replacement of the Hero (warrantee) and its still on stock rom and Handcent still killed it.. in one day..

i have not rooted, pure stock phone. only app i think runs in background is email and loopt
I notice the lag from everything to sense UI to the clock taking 2-3 secs to update to my contacts scrolling, to text message lag, to calling even lags. like anything and everything can lag.

It all has to do with this bug in Android 1.5:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3453
I'm running AOSP 1.6 on my Hero right now and it is ridiculously fast.
So yes, I think that the 2.1 update (which hopefully will come out soon) is going to fix these issues for us.

on your location settings turn off "network location" then reboot..your lag will be gone...and make sure you have a task manager installed too and end your apps so they take over your processor

Task managers are a waste of time.

Sawawa said:
Task managers are a waste of time.
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I agree with this statement.

Sawawa said:
It all has to do with this bug in Android 1.5:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3453
I'm running AOSP 1.6 on my Hero right now and it is ridiculously fast.
So yes, I think that the 2.1 update (which hopefully will come out soon) is going to fix these issues for us.
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This is very true. I was running the 2.1 build from here the last few days (thought I had to revert due to missing some texts and voicemail) and it's much speedier. It uses the HTC keyboard, but it's much faster in its response, almost instantaneous. The location bug really does suck up a lot of CPU time.
Also, maybe its just me, but I think it's important to remember the kind of device we're using, the hardware involved, and what you're asking it to do. It's not like you're walking around with a quad core CPU and 4GB of RAM in your pocket, but it seems a lot of people think it should respond as if that's what it has. It's a phone, yes, and it should be able to do phone stuff quickly if possible, but look at all it can and is doing. If you need absolute speed, get a dumb phone that can't browse the web, play games, or do just about anything. It'll run just fine.

handcent never made my phone lag. The only thing that made my phone lag was HTC's battery widget. Damn thing slowed my phone down so I uninstalled it and phone is running back fast again. I still use task manager because I do notice once to many apps are open it lags. Don't care what anyone says it happens on my phone. I do have a lot of applications on ignore though.

Try disabling Location services.

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I agree with this statement.
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I used to wholeheartedly disagree with this statement, until I read a kickass article explaining how Android actively manages memory.
Now, I also agree with this statement 100%. I don't even use my paid task manager app anymore. :/

hd2 really pi***** me off now!

got a hd2, stock rom, latest, all patches,
and its doing my head in!
runs so slow, messages are so slow to load, and the phone sometimes doesnt come out of standby!
i love the size of the phone etc, but its tempting to sell it now
any suggestions?

same deal here, any help would be great!

runs so slow, messages are so slow to load,
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known issue with the messaging app. Only real help is to reduce the ammount of mesages you store.
and the phone sometimes doesnt come out of standby!
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called the 'sleep of death' No cure for it once a rom is installed that i am aware, however many of the cooked roms have cured this issue. (I haven't seen it for about a month now)
Long thread about not waking up HERE

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known issue with the messaging app. Only real help is to reduce the ammount of mesages you store.QUOTE]
sorry for off topic, does Android w/ Snapdragon or Android in general have the same problem/s like Windows Mobile does?
All this stuff should be as quick as speeding bullet.
and another question,
what kind of processor do we need to get what we want out of WinMo?
From what I gather it would have to be atleast 2 to 3 ghz. (for it to never stutter.)
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im using a hero and an hd2 both freeze up from time to time. if you use Google apps a lot stick with android. if your lazy stick with android. if you have time to always tweak your phone go with winmo. and despite what you read windows has way more apps than android the only problem is most of the apps are 3 or more years old and not being updated anymore so not too finger friendly.

My HD2 (U.S. Tmobile - Stock Rom) runs like lightning, but not for lack of effort (well, not too much effort). I installed BsB Tweaks and Clean Ram, applied the performance tweaks in BsB (there's even one messaging that allows for "classic" style), and make sure to run Clean Ram (level two) once or twice a day. I also make liberal use of the task manager after opening any apps that fail to close with the press of an X (most?). Occasionally I'll notice a bit of slowdown, but Clean Ram will usually cure what ails it. Worst case scenario is I'll need to do a soft reset (which I always do after installing/uninstalling any apps), but, with BsB, it's a breeze as there's a command for it in the menu, so no need to wrangle with the battery cover and poke the red button!
As far as Android goes, I've no clue how it will run on HD2 level hardware, but, seeing as much of the issues with the HD2 seem to revolve around the Sense UI and HTC in particular, I would imagine some of the same issues will crop up. I'm coming over from Android (G1) to WinMo. My G1 had the same issues with messaging (HTC!!!) but, otherwise, didn't require much by way of maintenance. It was just slow and there was nothing I could do about it!
Play around with some of these tools on here. I'm a total WinMo noob, but I gotta say I'm loving the tweakability of the OS, and I'm especially enjoying learning about all of the cool stuff XDA has available for it.

No Lag here
Hey guys, I'm not sure if you guys are managing your opened applications properly... HD2 will keep all the apps you opened in the background running unless you actually closed them... and for most of the apps the only way to close them is to go to taskmanager (start>taskmanager>endtask, see a quicker way to do this below)....
Solution: you need to close the applications that are open!!!!
some tweaks that make this easier
- BsB Tweaks (solves many problems)
- Dutty's Taskmanager (allows you to switch between currently opened apps and also allows you to close them, it puts an icon on the top right corner in the taskbar) HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!

Few n00b questions

So tomorrow I'm going to be getting my first ever smartphone (HTC HD2) and I had a couple questions.
1.) Do I need a 3G SIM card to obtain 3G speeds?
2.) What exactly is a ROM? Anybody know of really good ones for the HD2?
3.) Does the phone freeze often? If so is there a fix for this?
4.) If Windows 7 ever comes out for this phone will I be able to upgrade to it.
5.) Same as above but for Android OS
6.) Are there good apps out there? Like Last.fm, twitter, etc.
7.) Would Android apps work on the HD2?
Sorry for all the questions, just wanted to make one big post so that I didn't have to constantly nag and make other threads.

1.) Do I need a 3G SIM card to obtain 3G speeds?
I don't know the definite answer but I've had my SIM card forever and I get 3G speeds.
2.) What exactly is a ROM? Anybody know of really good ones for the HD2?
It's like installing a new operating system on your computer. But all of the ROMs are about the same, but are customized for different aspects (different versions of Sense (or not at all), what programs the Chef likes, etc). See the ROM section.
3.) Does the phone freeze often? If so is there a fix for this?
Sometimes. No.
4.) If Windows 7 ever comes out for this phone will I be able to upgrade to it.
Officially: No. Unofficially: unknown; don't count on it.
5.) Same as above but for Android OS
Being worked on, could take a looooooooooooooong time.
6.) Are there good apps out there? Like Last.fm, twitter, etc.
That guide in my sig has some decent apps. I know there's a Last.fm app and a good twitter one, but their names escape me.
7.) Would Android apps work on the HD2?
No. Same goes for iPhone apps.

Thanks for the quickly reply, also what do you think of the phone?
I only got to handle it a little bit at the store, should I return it and wait for something else or should I keep it?

I got the phone because I'm stuck on T-Mobile and I like Windows Mobile, and I absolutely love it from a hardware standpoint. Windows Mobile takes a while to grow on you, and if you've ever played with an iPhone it can be quite jarring to use.
If you like tweaking stuff and having more control over your phone, I definitely recommend it. If you like apps, ease of use, and eye candy, not so much..... It's a hard choice I know.
ETA: Personally, I think the keyboard kinda sucks on it, so if you like composing long emails or texting an insane amount, you might want to rethink your choice.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just saw that jdwrrzmm already pointed you to the same place I was anyway

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I got the phone because I'm stuck on T-Mobile and I like Windows Mobile, and I absolutely love it from a hardware standpoint. Windows Mobile takes a while to grow on you, and if you've ever played with an iPhone it can be quite jarring to use.
If you like tweaking stuff and having more control over your phone, I definitely recommend it. If you like apps, ease of use, and eye candy, not so much..... It's a hard choice I know.
ETA: Personally, I think the keyboard kinda sucks on it, so if you like composing long emails or texting an insane amount, you might want to rethink your choice.
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im withJDWRRZMM, i think thought the keyboard sucked, but i like a ton of things about it. ive only had mine for a few weeks, and honestly my first thought was there is not nearly enough to do on this phone (speaking from a non-developer stand point).... but i decided to let it try to grow on me, and the more i read through these forums, the more i like the phone...
like stated above, its not ANYTHING like an iphone(which i jumped from).... but in hind sight, the iphone had to grow on me too... i diidnt like aapple very much, so....
id say give it a few weeks, learn more about it, then make your mind up wether you like it or not...
sorry so much writing

1.) Do I need a 3G SIM card to obtain 3G speeds?
No
2.) What exactly is a ROM? Anybody know of really good ones for the HD2?
ROM is the OS. Good custom roms are energy and englencia stock roms is the latest one
3.) Does the phone freeze often? If so is there a fix for this?
Stock ROM-Yes ; Custom ROM- Yes/No Depends on how stable the rom is
4.) If Windows 7 ever comes out for this phone will I be able to upgrade to it.
If a chef can port it, but it will never be officialy released.
5.) Same as above but for Android OS
Same as above
6.) Are there good apps out there? Like Last.fm, twitter, etc.
Plenty. Liked the apps on the HD2 better than the blackberry's but not better than the iPhone(prob would get killed for this one ) or Anroid
7.) Would Android apps work on the HD2?
Not that anyone knows of
Cool apps I've found while using a Custom ROM
-Wireless Tether (makes your phone a wireless router for your laptop) most custom roms come with this pre installed
-Klaxon ( great custom alarm, Stock alarm sucks. It will shut off fully after a couple snoozes which is bad for me haha)
-BSB Tweaks (great app that lets you tweak your phone without doing it manually)
Hope this helps

Why do people hate the keyboard on this phone? I personally love it a lot better than Androids and Iphones keyboards.
If you want apps check out Omarket, there are a ton of free apps there. Few apps I would recommend would be co0kies home tab for great home customizing and clean RAM for keeping your phone running smoothly.

Coming from a g1, I did not think I would like not having a hard keyboard. I really like the keyboard on the hd2. I also have not had any freeze ups and any of the known lags. Cookies Home Tab is awesome. I would also recommend a good task manager. I use Dutty's and like it.

So I got the phone, I'm liking it so far and I have no freeze ups yet and the keyboard seems very nice.
Just one more thing, I saw that there was ROM update from HTC itself, how do I get the update?

SecrtAgentMan said:
So I got the phone, I'm liking it so far and I have no freeze ups yet and the keyboard seems very nice.
Just one more thing, I saw that there was ROM update from HTC itself, how do I get the update?
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Have you tried the swype keyboard..that is what I use and it rocks...not many phones have swype so that is nice showoff feature..
Here is the link for the ROM update but you might want to check to see if your phone already has the updated stock ROM installed. But here is the link for the ROMs..you are looking for the 2.13 Go to START/SETTINGS/ABOUTPHONE/SOFTWAREINFORMATION then you will see the ROM version!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655653
Hope this helps

Yea i have 2.13, what's the swype thing you're talking about though?

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Yea i have 2.13, what's the swype thing you're talking about though?
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If you have 2.13 you should have swype so you can check it out. Open up a text message and hit the keyboard icon on the bottom and once it pops up hit it again but a little to the right of the actual button and a list will pop up and you should select swype.
swype allows you to drag your finger from letter to letter without lifting to spell a word.
Check out videos on youtube by searching swype keyboard

Sense is a hog

I find Sense is a resource hog... I mean a real hungry hog on this at$t Tilt2 and their latest rom. Read in a few other posts where I'm not the only one that experiences this. gwes.exe grows and grows and grows....and memory just will not release when closing programs. The phone comes to a crawl, down to 20mb left of memory, phone starts closing programs on its own so no multi tasking….time to restart. Even then, there is over FORTYmb of memory difference between running it over Windows default! I don’t even have to open any programs, just navigate Sense’s menus and memory drops like a rock!
Trying Mobile Shell now and the difference is night and day. Sense IMO is still a better looking, more intuitive interface. Mobile Shell is too complicated and over down. Great features there, but too much IMO. But it looks like I gotta stick with SPB Mobile Shell because my phone is so unreliable with Sense running, and it runs like it is suppose to with Mobile Shell.
OK... rant over...

Flash a custom ROM. I like Sense, run it with Cookies Home Tab (which is also a resource hog, but love it too) on the newest Energy ROM, and typically have 60-70 mb (or more) Program Memory free after using the phone all day.

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Flash a custom ROM. I like Sense, run it with Cookies Home Tab (which is also a resource hog, but love it too) on the newest Energy ROM, and typically have 60-70 mb (or more) Program Memory free after using the phone all day.
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I don't want to flash a custom rom as of right now. This phone is my business line, so I can't afford to get that deep into customization. I've done it with the old Tilt, but right now a custom rom is not an option.
I am using Cookies, and the icon pack. Found they do not effect Sense's appetite for memory. With or without those two, Sense will gobble 40mb regardless. And cause gwes.exe to grow from there.
I've also noticed my battery life is 'about' 25% better with Sense turned off.

True. I experience the same thing. But you have to remember why it's there in the first place. Sense is almost a replacement of WiMo(Not hiting towards the OS part)
The entire UI is redone and every single click is done in sense with no direct interaction with WiMo. And we can both agree, HTC did a good job with the sense. I myself was on a 1st Gen Samsung Omnia before i got my HTC TP2, and that was with a stock WiMo and only included stuff like a dial-app, and a mp3 player and stuff like that. Everything else including SMS was done directly in WiMo and i will take A Memory hog over that any day.
That being said, there is stuff HTC or Developers here could do:
Isolate the biggest RAM-Sink. You mention gwes.exe yourself(Which is actually not HTC but Microsoft)* And try to find out why they continuesly take up more and more ram and try to fix it.
Split up sense so different tasks are handled by different applications, which after you are done can be killed with easy to save RAM(Composing Email/SMS, Weather Check, Contactlist, Music player, ETC ETC.) I know some of this is already done, but there more could be done more.
Work on how do decrease RAM usage for different parts of Sense. Maybe even contact some Developers from this community or other communities(A_C of S2 would be a great place to start)
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"Gwes is the Graphical Windowing and Event Subsystem. It’s one little program that draws all the controls on the device like scrollbars, buttons, and checkboxes. It also handles passing window messages back and forth between applications and manages the WndProcs of all of the programs on the device that are displaying UI."
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The WinMo 6.5 Start Menu is the biggest memory hog of all. You can improve things dramatically by disabling the standard start menu and using either QuickMenu or OCMan's start menu replacement.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621800
http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000...8000-modaco-com/318725/free-up-even-more-ram/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7937478&postcount=16392
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711914
To disable the start menu, use one of Arto's Start Menu Remove cabs.
To restore your start menu use one of Hayami's Start Menu Restore cabs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7690749&postcount=43
Use the ControPanel_shotcuts download to activate Settings in QuickMenu.
I start up with 94MB Ram on a Tilt 2 with dozens of apps installed, and it's typically at 75MB after a week.

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You mention gwes.exe yourself(Which is actually not HTC but Microsoft)*
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I am already familiar with gwes.exe. Been in the WinMo world long enough to know by now it is part of the OS.
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WiMo and i will take A Memory hog over that any day.
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I don't mind a resource hog myself, makes for faster operation... if... you have enough resources to go around. But this phone just doesn't have enough memory to multitask with Sense running too.

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Sense is almost a replacement of WiMo(Not hiting towards the OS part)
The entire UI is redone and every single click is done in sense with no direct interaction with WiMo. )
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I would agree, or better yet, Sense is an effort to make some of the WinMo apps finger friendly and intuitive. For the most part they succeded. I would take exception to some, like Contact editing. While their contact editor is FF, I still find myself clicking the more button to enter data, and back to WinMo's contact editor it goes.
Edit: and another waste IMO, is the drop-down menus. I like the look and feel of the WinMo menus better.

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The WinMo 6.5 Start Menu is the biggest memory hog of all. You can improve things dramatically by disabling the standard start menu and using either QuickMenu or OCMan's start menu replacement.
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Thanks for the links, time for some more reading.
Sometimes I wish I could just be a noob tho... have someone hold my hand and guide me... step... by... step.

Quickmenu was mentioned above. One user, colossus_r has gone the extra mile and included all the settings in his version of Quickmenu. I used to use his version before NRGZ28 started cooking it into his ROMs.
If you do decide to use any version of QuickMenu, it would behoove you to increase the distance between the items in the menu. This give a better look to the menu as well as making it more finger-friendly. Do do this (after installing everything, of course), bring up Quickmenu, and tap QuickMenu > Option > View tab, and then set Menu item edge to 16.

Bookmarking this.

I know the problem you speak of, and my solution was to use cleanRAM.exe. Great little program, you can choose how "deep" it cleans, is fast, and it does the job quite well. After a run, it has brought RAM usage down to ~%50, or about 90mb, with Sense on. It's the one program I brought over from my old Q9, and I'm glad I did.

I really liked Sense/TF3D (or what ever you call it), till I tried to run 3rd party apps. A few games would not even run, others would start after a few min.
NFS shift will not even run with it running but, with Sense turned off, it runs fine on my TP2... Stock rom (well, Mr. X's fixed stock rom), with no Sense (just 6.5) I will boot up my phone with 90mb+ free.
It's just too bad that apps don't run right under it..or I would use it.

Without flashing a custom rom your limited... however if you download the htcAddicts.com cleanRam and run it after you open and close 2 or more apps, you will find it will free up alot of memory as your correct the stock sense rom leaks and uses memory like a monster.. Hope ya try this im sure you'll be pleased.

The 15 day trial for Mobile Shell ran out for me. Decided I didn't wanna use Mobile Shell, so uninstalled it. Ran Sense again... and within 15mins phone is lagging and or locking up. Memory dropped below 20meg..
Time to load a custom rom... or learn to cook my own. Me tinks the at$t rom would be just fine, if I can unload all the gawd dam bloatware.

GWelker62 said:
The 15 day trial for Mobile Shell ran out for me. Decided I didn't wanna use Mobile Shell, so uninstalled it. Ran Sense again... and within 15mins phone is lagging and or locking up. Memory dropped below 20meg..
Time to load a custom rom... or learn to cook my own. Me tinks the at$t rom would be just fine, if I can unload all the gawd dam bloatware.
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If you don't want a custom ROM, the easiest way to reclaim memory is to replace the Start Menu. It, by itself, eats about 20MB of RAM ALL THE TIME!
QuickMenu is a favorite of mine. There are several Start Menu replacements, though. NRGZ28 has 5 options cooked into the Energy ROMs.
Also, check \Windows\Start Up folder to see what you can remove from there. The stock TMoUS ROMs were easy to clean up that way.

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If you don't want a custom ROM, the easiest way to reclaim memory is to replace the Start Menu. It, by itself, eats about 20MB of RAM ALL THE TIME!
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Working on that option this week to see how it works.
I haven't done a hard reset yet either and started over. I normally install apps and tweak a lot after installing a new rom, then hard reset and only install/tweak what I liked. Haven't done that yet with the latest at$t rom.

GWelker62 said:
I don't want to flash a custom rom as of right now. This phone is my business line, so I can't afford to get that deep into customization. I've done it with the old Tilt, but right now a custom rom is not an option.
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I was the same way with my old tilt, roms,roms and more roms ..then i got the new tilt2 , kept it stock for the first year , i played with several add-on's even had Mobile Shell which i loved but the phone was a bit too laggy, i then bit the bullet this past month and installed the lastest rom upgrade from AT&T reinstalled Mobile Shell , still was not happy about performance, so I finally broke down Hspld and then found basically a stock rom with all the garbage removed.. .wowsers finally it was fast and stable with Mobile Shell (disliked sense) . So what i am getting at, is to go ahead and make the plunge unlock it flash the simplest rom ....I am a business user so my phone is very important to me in keeping my wallet supplied with greenbacks..
the biggest reason i like Mobileshell is it is easy to use and has as many favorite people that i want listed...have about twenty manufacturers on the that page ..

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. Haven't done that yet with the latest at$t rom.
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Not much of a difference, the boatware kills the upgrade..not really worth it IMO

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Ok look as much as I do agree with you that on a stock rom with very little fixes and alterations the sense ui may take up tons of memory. BUT!!!!!! On a custom rom with minor adjustments it works great, I use it to on a day to day bases with the energy rom and it completely keeps up with me. Battery life is great I get live update for e-mails, use it to do some research on the net and i utilize all that sense brings together. In other words all I'm really trying to say is, HTC made a great job consolidating all these tools that we use on a day to day bases into a single ui. If u were to run individual programs to do everything that sense brings together, ur phone would be as slow as Forest Gump from lack of memory.

Try flashing EnergyROM! NGRZ added some different start menu options than can save 20-30 mbs or ram, it makes using SenseUI snappy!