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IIWPO: Theft protection in ROM for Himalaya

(Re-published due to forum structure change)
Based of the IIWPO solution initially meant for Wallaby devices (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=2526), I created a customizable installer for Himalaya:
See the Wiki page on IIWPO
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/IIWPO
Hopefully IIWPO suprises a lot of thiefs!!!!!

This is way too cool! I really love this software. I hope never to have to rely on it but just to know its there will make me sleep better. Thanks.

Wow!
The link doesn't work, but... there is or could you do something like that for the PDA2K?
Thanks!
Chris

The wiki pages are offline.
Use the Google cache to read about IIWPO.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Bsy8qCnKXKIJ:wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/IIWPO+IIWPO&hl=en
See attachment for the cab mentioned on the wiki pages.

Edsub,
I am wondering if the already excellent IIWPO could be further enhanced by a simple but witty add-on. I am imagining the capability to receive a Kill-Signal via SMS. If all attemps to recover the phone fails because the person who holds it has not put in a full & proper owner name + address we still have a phone number right? Therefore we can send an SMS to the phone at will. If IIWPO listens for a specific sms subject line then we could instruct it to disable the phone in some fashion that can be reversed and display a message to this end "tell" the thief to return the phone no questions asked etc. If still no luck then we could send a signal forever killing the phone. Am I watching too many spy movies? ;-)
Hope you like the idea. Sounds fun to me. Regards

I like the idea :twisted: , but since am not a CE developer (and I did not develop IIWPO either, just put the parts that were there together for use on a Himalaya) I have no idea whether or not this is possible.
Maybe any of the real xda-developers see a possibility here :?:

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Edsub,
I am wondering if the already excellent IIWPO could be further enhanced by a simple but witty add-on. I am imagining the capability to receive a Kill-Signal via SMS. If all attemps to recover the phone fails because the person who holds it has not put in a full & proper owner name + address we still have a phone number right? Therefore we can send an SMS to the phone at will. If IIWPO listens for a specific sms subject line then we could instruct it to disable the phone in some fashion that can be reversed and display a message to this end "tell" the thief to return the phone no questions asked etc. If still no luck then we could send a signal forever killing the phone. Am I watching too many spy movies? ;-)
Hope you like the idea. Sounds fun to me. Regards
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This is possible, and was used on an HP Jornado 928 ...
On this handset, a simple SMS containing a specific codeword or PIN would 'lock' the handset so that it could not be used. Quite useful and as far as I know unique to the HP Jornado 928.
Anyone know any different ?
Cheers
Mark

wow!! this would be great for the PPC! ive tried something like this in my symbian NOKIA 6600! and its very useful!! if you change the sim the phone will automatically send a message to your predefined numbers containing some info on the current location of your phone... and if you send a code to it thru SMS it will lock up and it cant be used unless you flash it or something.. i bet the PPC version is even greater!! cant wait for a full version!

Marc MD said:
wow!! this would be great for the PPC! ive tried something like this in my symbian NOKIA 6600! and its very useful!! if you change the sim the phone will automatically send a message to your predefined numbers containing some info on the current location of your phone... and if you send a code to it thru SMS it will lock up and it cant be used unless you flash it or something.. i bet the PPC version is even greater!! cant wait for a full version!
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im using a 7610 nokia n was wondering wat is the software ur using for ur nokia 6600 thanks

I would like the facility to electrocute the new "owner" through the ear when he makes a call, 50,000 volts would be fine. Or maybe a spring bolt that would activate and shatter his jaw.

Perhaps the local police station...
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I would like the facility to electrocute the new "owner" through the ear when he makes a call, 50,000 volts would be fine. Or maybe a spring bolt that would activate and shatter his jaw.
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My wife lost her handphone to some dishonest fella who picks it up and perhaps remove the SIM/off the HP.
Perhaps we can have it SMS your selected police station on startup and replay an SMS with your customised message:
"Yeah baby! I've stolen this handphone and there is NOTHING that you bloody incompetent slobs can do about it! <vulgarities applied here>!"
<repeat 100 times>
In my country, we can have different numbers for neighbourhood police post. The SMS will be repeated as a robotic voice message to the LAND phone as well.
I can at least ensure that the message does not go into a generic 911 number. :twisted:

[email protected] said:
im using a 7610 nokia n was wondering wat is the software ur using for ur nokia 6600 thanks
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the apps name is theft alert! very useful app indeed for the Nokia Symbian that is...

oooops sorry.... double post...
@henrylim
well that is entirely possible!!! and that is a damn good idea you have there!

hey will this work on a WM5 device (PDA2K upgraded)? If so will it be the same steps?

[Q] OUTGOING call waiting notification

hi all,
i've been looking for the outgoing call waiting notification feature since the very first time i've started using windows mobile phones.. its like this; when i call someone and that someone is on a call with another person, i should get a message saying that the person is on a call so that i'd know that he is busy with another call.. this feature is on the very oldest fones and its a shame that its not on windows mobiles.. well, not a shame really, the "great" iphone doesnt have it either anyways, its a great feature to have.. it seem the feature is missing in windows mobile, microsoft must've missed it in the making.. however, after a looooooong time, i've read around the net that the samsung omnia displays this notification saying tht the party am calling is on a call so that i'd know that am disturbing a person on a call.. can anyone confirm this and try to rip it off the omnias rom so that we can use it on other windows mobile phones?? if so its gonna be a dream come true for all windows mobile users..

Very true! i'm also awaiting this missing functioanlity in Windows Mobile.
I Guess we should post this thread in the general section of this forum. If possible Admin move this thread there to get better exposure! and quick solution by our great xda team!

I seriously need this fuction. Anybody managed to fix this ? Please help !

does anyone have an omnia to check this and mix some files from the omnia's with the touch hd..?

I'm very interesting in this post and the solution if it has... It´s very much time with this problem... None of the experts can help us in this post...
Regards,

I don't have this problem.
If i call someone and this person is in a call i can hear that.

very very weird.. I cannot understand how such an important notification feature is missing.

GoldCoin said:
I don't have this problem.
If i call someone and this person is in a call i can hear that.
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How do you do that ? and what do you hear ?

GoldCoin said:
I don't have this problem.
If i call someone and this person is in a call i can hear that.
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Thats because your operator does that for you.. not all operators does this.. but all fones except winmo and iphone shows a notification saying the other party is on a call.. but whats interesting is the SAMSUNG OMNIA can do this and its winmo.. so if it can, it means all winmo can do it..
and whats sad is, no one can still mix up the files of the OMNIA with the touch hd (or any other winmo fone). is there anyone out there who knows how to mess with stuff and who is willing to do some experimenting? comon guys, its really a wish come true for all of us winmo users..

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Thats because your operator does that for you.. not all operators does this.. but all fones except winmo and iphone shows a notification saying the other party is on a call.. but whats interesting is the SAMSUNG OMNIA can do this and its winmo.. so if it can, it means all winmo can do it..
and whats sad is, no one can still mix up the files of the OMNIA with the touch hd (or any other winmo fone). is there anyone out there who knows how to mess with stuff and who is willing to do some experimenting? comon guys, its really a wish come true for all of us winmo users..
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Wait a minute. Omnia can do this ? this is not a missing feature in WM ? WTF !? Why do we always have to suffer with the OS ?

Xeon said:
Wait a minute. Omnia can do this ? this is not a missing feature in WM ? WTF !? Why do we always have to suffer with the OS ?
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yup, u heard me right.. i tested it myself on the omnia of a friend.. but i dont have one with me to play with it and experiment.. and my friend wont give me his fone to do the stuff.. if only someone here could help.. i think omnia's fone app is able to do this.. if it can do, why cant we have it on our touch hd and other hundreds of winmo fones??

i dont think it has something to do with the applications but I just cannot understand how it is working on ohmnia !!!!!!!

So much time without solution, I think that the problem will never be solved.
Regards friends,

i do hear a busy tone and on the phone screen i get "busy". why don't you???

This is something the operator does. First of all, the person you are calling should have the 'call waiting' service enabled. Then if you call him/her, the operator should provide you with different tone (not calling or busy) and you will know that the other party is in a call and he/she will get a notification that you are waiting on the second line (that's also done by the operator). So don't blame Microsoft for something that's not actualy their fault. Blame them for something that's their fault .

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This is something the operator does. First of all, the person you are calling should have the 'call waiting' service enabled. Then if you call him/her, the operator should provide you with different tone (not calling or busy) and you will know that the other party is in a call and he/she will get a notification that you are waiting on the second line (that's also done by the operator). So don't blame Microsoft for something that's not actualy their fault. Blame them for something that's their fault .
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I think you are not getting anything here. I have the same sim card and the same services running and I am calling the same party... I get a Waiting popup message on the screen with NOKIA phones and Connecting... with WM device. Anybody can confirm that the notification works with omnia ?

yeah xeon, i gues its me and u only who gets what we're talking about.. different tone or not, other fones including nokias, motorolas, sony ericssons and all shows a message saying that the other party is on a call.. and about windows mobile, i donno about the xperia but the omnia does this for sure, i checked it myself.. a litte waiting text shows up in the fone app, where the operator name is mostly.. anyways, is there any person who'd like to help us out by checking in omnia?? and maybe they could extract files from the omnia's rom which can/might be able to use on other windows mobile fones.. i guess microsoft did miss out an important feature.. i guess they are to blame..
even htc did miss it out in their dial pad.. but samsung have included the feature in their dial pad, so i think its more than possible for us to have this feature on all windows mobile phones coz yota contacts came to our fones, xtrakt can be played on out hds, the facebook app in wm 6.5 can be used, and there are so many more.. i just wish a developer with an omnia who is interested in this feature would help us

look at my pic in post 14. what else do you expect? what else do u need? a pop-up notice? anyway, imho the most important thing here is the "busy" tone i get because even if i'll have a full screen pop-up i'll probably miss it when the phone is at my ear and probably with the screen off already.

KukurikU said:
look at my pic in post 14. what else do you expect? what else do u need? a pop-up notice? anyway, imho the most important thing here is the "busy" tone i get because even if i'll have a full screen pop-up i'll probably miss it when the phone is at my ear and probably with the screen off already.
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no my friend.. thats because the person who u call has call waiting disabled.. that happens to all of us too.. the REAL case is, if the person who u are calling is on a call WITH call waiting ENABLED, we should know that he is on a call/i am on waiting instead of ringing continuosly without us knowing he's on a call and am on waiting.. hope this clears your doubt..

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look at my pic in post 14. what else do you expect? what else do u need? a pop-up notice? anyway, imho the most important thing here is the "busy" tone i get because even if i'll have a full screen pop-up i'll probably miss it when the phone is at my ear and probably with the screen off already.
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I expect What other phones do. We should not get Connecting.. or Busy ( actually u cannot get busy because you will get disconnected and you shouldnt for a simple reason that the other party should have the possibility to swap between you and the other person on hold ). I will explain it for the last time :
When you call someone the phone status is :
1- Dialing ... --> Connected, the phone vibrates and the screen goes off
--> Busy, the other party is no accepting calls and has
call waiting feature disabled. Line is dropped
Now when you dial a person number that has the call waiting enabled other phones behave like :
2- Dialing... --> Connecting, Waiting notification on your screen and the other party receives a request to either reject you
( this is where you get the busy) or accept your call...
and hence you get connected and the screen goes off.
Now with HD, You do not get any hint that the person you are calling is currently having a conversation with someone else and you keep on waiting for him to either answer or reject you whereas with Omnia you do.

Voice features

A woman inside my Palm Treo 750 used to read me the appointments and reminders out loud when they come due. I can't find a similar sheila in my HD2. Is it a part of WM 6.5 or is there program to install to do this or is it a lost cause?

That isn't a windows feature, probably either something palm included themselves, or maybe you were using a third party appointments program?
Sorry, don't know of anything with that feature myself, but then i'm not a huge software hound, i'm usually happy with the pre loaded apps.

Yep, it was probably a Palm customization. But it was nice!

My missus does that job for me, and doesn't take up any precious system memory!
Sam, , 1pm, do the washing, sam, 1.30 go to teh shop, sam, its 5pm, cook me something.
CAn't say i'm over impressed with the feature myself,,,,,,, hehe

Yeah, but I bet you can't put her in your pocket. It's good when you're talking to someone and your phone in your pocket says; "Call Jack Doe at 1:30"

paulmin said:
Yeah, but I bet you can't put her in your pocket. It's good when you're talking to someone and your phone in your pocket says; "Call Jack Doe at 1:30"
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Think you may be referring to Microsoft Voice Command which doesn't come pre-installed in HD2. This can be found on the forum or purchase a retail version but at the moment doesn't work as it should. There are many threads on this subject.

[REG] Better profile handling program

Hi guys, first post from me so excuse if theres some infos missing what you need, but I'll add as something is asked.
I'm a long user of Nokia phones and just changed my E90 into a Diamond. And the one thing that I really miss is that theres not exactly different profiles to choose from (or made your own). Theres only selections for silent and vibrate, other than the normal selections. And I really miss that from Nokia phones. Just a few simple clicks and phone has a loud theme with a different ringtone and SMS message sound, or then its almost quiet (like when my baby is sleeping).. I think you all get the picture, if you ever had Nokia phones =)
So my reguest is for someone to point out a program or if someone wants to make I would be glad, really glad I think some others would like these too
I could make another post but I'll just add few other programs also to here that maybe someone knows if there exists similar for Diamond
- BestProfiles (enable selected profiles to turn on at some time of day)
- FlipSilent (turn ur phone face-down and its on silent, works for alarming to go snooze)
- Putty (great for symbian phones but I found only programs that arent so good as this is)
Anyways thnx in advantage if someone can help a dude out...
PS. only had HTC for a few days but after starting using it I had to order a data-plan to my mobile and a better battery, but this was off-topic..

Try ageye's G-Profile (http://www.ageye.de/index.php?s=gprofile/about), you get a fully 14-days working demo and full app is just 5€! One of the most happily money spent ever for my Diamond, now I even have it start playing music when I plugin earphones/carkit and stop when disconnecting!

teorouge said:
Try ageye's G-Profile , you get a fully 14-days working demo and full app is just 5€! One of the most happily money spent ever for my Diamond, now I even have it start playing music when I plugin earphones/carkit and stop when disconnecting!
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I just installed it and it seems a fair try, tho it has a lot more possibilitys that i would actually need from a app might even help that dude out to translate it to my native language, like i just did to PocketShield, not finished yet but almost =)
Below again some off-topic, maybe some admin explains to me how to get rid of it =)
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Got that error from replying to your message and wondered first that wtf, i didnt put any links in my reply, and after that noticed that link from u to G-Profile

>>>Experienced HD2 users are most welcome!<<<

Hey guys!
I am thinking of buying an HD2 and sell my N96; I know that some of my questions or maybe all are already somewhere but i guess not that they are in the same post; so here i go:
1---Can the sms be stored on MMC?
2---If the sms are on SIM/MMC/Phone; can they be copied/moved from one of these locations to another?
3---Can you create custom folders in sms? (you create a custom one and you move some sms to this folder) (i know HTCsms doesn't allow but I’ve read that default winmo messaging allows it, I’ve also read that HTCsms can be disabled but till now i didn't knew how to do all that!!!)
4---Does it really take a decade to load msgs? (in case you have hundreds of thousands) (what's the solution if yes please)
5---Does winmo have the "mark/unmark/mark all" option? (if you have to deal with a lot of files/sms/pics...??
6---Can you store the pics/videos taken on MMC?
7---Can these pics/videos be simply manipulated by Albums/categories...?
8---Can the contacts be copied/moved from SIM to phone memory and to MMC?
9---How many zoom X does the camera support? I know it's not so beautiful compared to Carl zeis's lenses of nokia, but can they be acceptable or practical?
10---What about the loudspeaker? Does it have acceptable quality?
11--- Internet and WIFI reception; are they good?
12---Radio reception, is it good?
13-User profiles (silent, meeting...) can they be timed for instance? (e.g. meeting profile timed to end automatically on 5 PM when i finish work)
14---Synch with pc and transferring data (any kind of data) with PC; is it good?
Finally some subjective questions that i care to know their answers:
A-If you want to compare messaging between Symbian (n96) to the one in Winmo6.5 (HD2) in terms of options available, details seen, customizability, moving/copying, loading speed, memory capacity... which one do you find better?
B-If you want to compare calling functions between Symbian (n96) to the one in Winmo6.5 (HD2) in terms of options available, details seen in log, customizability, call sound quality... which one do you find better?
C-Finally, did anyone of you guys bought an HD2 and dropped a Nokia N96 (or any N series) and regret it in the end?
What can you suggest me? (i wish i can try an HD2 for a long time but i can't)
Do i go for it? Or it's not worth it?
Thank you guys in advance

Life Engineer said:
1---Can the sms be stored on MMC?
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Not that I know of, but I may be wrong.
2---If the sms are on SIM/MMC/Phone; can they be copied/moved from one of these locations to another?
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You can copy fron SIM to phone and from Phone to SIM.
3---Can you create custom folders in sms? (you create a custom one and you move some sms to this folder) (i know HTCsms doesn't allow but I’ve read that default winmo messaging allows it, I’ve also read that HTCsms can be disabled but till now i didn't knew how to do all that!!!)
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Have a search in this forum, there are threads about this around.
4---Does it really take a decade to load msgs? (in case you have hundreds of thousands) (what's the solution if yes please)
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On my stock O2 1.72 Rom, no it doesn't take long. It did on the older 1.43 Rom though.
5---Does winmo have the "mark/unmark/mark all" option? (if you have to deal with a lot of files/sms/pics...??
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Yes.
6---Can you store the pics/videos taken on MMC?
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Yes.
7---Can these pics/videos be simply manipulated by Albums/categories...?
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If you mean image editing, then no.
8---Can the contacts be copied/moved from SIM to phone memory and to MMC?
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They can be moved from SIM, but not MMC. (as far as I know)
9---How many zoom X does the camera support? I know it's not so beautiful compared to Carl zeis's lenses of nokia, but can they be acceptable or practical?
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I don't tend to use digital zoom in any way, shape or form, as any type is just poor. but it zooms in from wide to fully zoomed in 4 presses.
10---What about the loudspeaker? Does it have acceptable quality?
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Its not going to make a Cyrus system bow to it's quality, and the bass response isn't going to upset the neighbours, but yes, its pretty similar to my Nokia E90s output, and is acceptable.
11--- Internet and WIFI reception; are they good?
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Depends on the quality of the signal and the distance to the aerial, and how far down in the priority list your account is with the provider. But, I've never dropped below 3 bars Edge, usually sat between 3 and 4 bars HSDPA, and wifi through access points is easily fast enough to be perfectly useable.
12---Radio reception, is it good?
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Not really, its ok outside, but indoors mine struggles.
13-User profiles (silent, meeting...) can they be timed for instance? (e.g. meeting profile timed to end automatically on 5 PM when i finish work)
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Not out of the box, but there are programs to allow this.
14---Synch with pc and transferring data (any kind of data) with PC; is it good?
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Its pretty good, better than my E90 was, and it doesn't have to be rebooted to get the Memory card back!
Finally some subjective questions that i care to know their answers:
A -If you want to compare messaging between Symbian (n96) to the one in Winmo6.5 (HD2) in terms of options available, details seen, customizability, moving/copying, loading speed, memory capacity... which one do you find better?
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The HD2s messaging is pretty simple, but I find it easier to send MMSs inc. videos and photos compared to my E90. In terms of SMS arranging, you have 2 options, per message viewing and conversqtion mode. other than that, no other functions out of the box.
B-If you want to compare calling functions between Symbian (n96) to the one in Winmo6.5 (HD2) in terms of options available, details seen in log, customizability, call sound quality... which one do you find better?
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The call log is better on the HD2 in my view, you can select a different number for a contact to the one they rang you on, great if they switch their mobile off!
Never had any issues with call quality, always been crystal clear.
I like the HD2s idea of having all the options on one screens (like loudspeaker, keypad etc) than in a menu.
C-Finally, did anyone of you guys bought an HD2 and dropped a Nokia N96 (or any N series) and regret it in the end?
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Check my sig for the phones I've had, I've not regretted it at all. The HD2 has its faults, but it is such a powerful device, its expected to have quirks. My E90 had issues, it comes with the smartphone territory.
What can you suggest me? (i wish i can try an HD2 for a long time but i can't)
Do i go for it? Or it's not worth it?
Thank you guys in advance
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To be honest, that choice is up to you. I've personally not looked back, but you may miss features between them.

Thanks man you're great!
You seem a Windows mobile fan! Are you??
Man, googling the net for windows mobile isn't encouraging; they place it as the worst OS including (RIM, iphone's, symbian, android, maemo...); do you think this is true?? Is it that bad?!? I will be glad to hear (or read ) your opinion! I had enough from reviews; i want to see real experience with this thing!
I really like to buy the HD2 but this OS thing makes me nervous!
Any other feedback is well welcomed too!

I like Windows Mobile for what it *can* do, not necessarily what it does do, if that makes sense?
I like symbian, probably on the basis that it is a logical, easy to use menu layout, i.e. if I want to access a GPS program, I open the main menu and press the GPS folder. If I want further options, I open the menu options.
In this respect, WinMo is very similar (you can arrange your start menu how you want it, even with the added option of changing icons etc).
Comparing this to the iPhone for instance (as every review seems to anyway), you open the main menu, then have to trawl through the pages of icons to find the app you want. Granted, you can move the icons around, but as far as I know, you need a PC or Mac and iTunes to do this (not sure if they've fixed this in OS4, I lost interest at 3G)
I have my HD2 doing an awful lot, set up as a wireless router for my laptop, playing games, internet browsing (I was blown away with the 800 x 332 res on the E90, but the HD2 is on the next rung or two up!), emails (have it checking 4 pop3 accounts, 1 imap and one exchange account, all at different intervals and automatically stopped at night), full GPS Sat-Nav and all the rest of the features I can reel off.
I find it incredibly stable (before anyone flames, the iPhone and E90 do need reboots now and again ) and very functional.
Yes WinMo is a bit creaky these days, but a lot of people forget it was designed to be a PDA with almost desktop features rather than a phone with PIM, and was designed in the late 90s, before Apple were even designing pretty Macs, Nokia had just released phone with polyphonic ringtones, and Palm was on its knees. None of them had such a complex functionality, and few even come close more than a decade later.
Android is getting there, but not quite, and RIM, good god, who designs a touch friendly interface for a non-touch phone? Did they not realise they made it even harder to navigate using their pearl?

My son had both the N95,N96 and now XM5800 in no way you can compare those Nokias to HD2 at least from my perspective.If you like to do customization you may never regret for getting this phone,at least I didnt.The only downside i found is the limited internal storge but I usually make sure to install my apps on the SC(MMC).
Most of the applications are a bit old but very professional,I like them much better than the Iphone which I owned over a period of 3 years.
However you seem to live in Lebanon as I also do,I live in Dowra suberebean area.I dont know if somehow I can be any help to you.
good Luck

Thank you rp-x1 you are a good man!
I think i will buy it after all; i will try it for some months or maybe years and will sell it if i didn't like it! I have nothing to loose (except couple of hundreds of dollars! )
Yes hagba i live in lebanon and you are Armenian as i see
I live in Jounieh and i work in Sin elfil so i'm not so far from you!
I will be so glad if you give me your mail address or even your phone number (in my work i can call freely so don't worry) (you can send me a private msg) or if you don't want; it's enough for me if you can tell me what are the "good"s and the "bad"s of this phone in your practical experience (not as in reviews when they mention for example that 64K colors are a downside of this phone! What do i care man?!? Am i counting them?!? )
Thanks a lot

im afraid I dont have time for a lengthy answer so ill keep it simple......
I came from an n95 and I dont miss it at all, maybe the camera a little if im honest.....
and winmo is not the worst os... in my opinion....

From all your question, one fundamental aspect is that 'can you customize your ROM?' I believe WinMo is the most customizable. Look at the HD2 ROM development thread. You can't ever do such things in iPhone or others.

Hey Life I PM-ed you my email.