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Is the IPAQ 910-12-14 manufactured by HTC?

I ask, because seeing this forum, is the first time I've seen that mentioned.
In another forum (not XDA-dev) I saw the manufacturer listed as Inventec.
And in an HP IPAQ forum. someone asked if the HTC mini-USB to 3.5 or 2.5 audio adapters would work on the IPAQ 910. Someone else answered "no", saying that the HTC mini-USB ports are eleven pin, while the one on this IPAQ is ten pin.
If the phone were made by HTC, I would think that they would use the same kind of mini-USB port, as on their other phones.
Is it known for sure, that the IPAQ 910 was manufactured by HTC?
Has anyone here tried one of the mini-USB audio adapters made for HTC, on their IPAQ 910? If so, how well did it work?
HTC chargers seem to work.
Thanks for your feedback.

no it is not made by HTC.
for audio adapter , see here

keyx said:
no it is not made by HTC.
for audio adapter , see here
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Why is it listed here then, under "Other HTC manufactured phones-Sable"?
So, do you agree with those who say that the mini-USB audio adapters made for HTC phones, will not work well with the IPAQ 910?
It's OK to use the same chargers and sync cables though, no? They seem to work--I hope not harming the phone in some way.

because we don't have other better place to meet & group the threads together haha, so people just just post here for any HP IPAQ i suppose
anyway adapter made for HTC won't work on 91x because the pin-layout is different for audio.
It is ok to use the same cable for charge and sync because the charge and data transfer is a common standard in mini-usb. No audio is defined in the standard so manufacturer define their own-standard

Thanks for the info.
It is weird then, that manufacturers make their own proprietary headphone port, and then do not even make an adapter for it.
Shame on HP for doing so! (At least HTC makes an adapter for theirs, including one that has another mini-USB for charging, and a 2.5 and 3.5 headphone ports.)
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Ha Ha. So the "HTC Sable" is a non-existent phone, an imaginary HTC phone, to list non-HTC phones under, so that the board admins don't know that people are discussing a (GASP!) non-HTC phone on their HTC-only board?
Oops, I hope they don't read this thread!
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By the way, Keyx, since you seem to be very technically knowledgeable, if you have a chance, please take a look at the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3619813&posted=1#post3619813
and let me know, if you have any insight into the question.
If I had known about this board, I might have posted it here. Not knowing, I posted it in the general WinMo board.
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HTC Sable exist and made by HTC, it is one of the older IPAQ model, i forgot the model number though
EDITED: look at the text under the main title of this subforum: Also known as HP iPAQ hw69xx (hw6915 / hw6925 / hw6945 / hw6965 / hw6910 / hw6920 / hw6940)
Traditionally a few IPAQ were made by HTC but not 61x/91x this time
I don't have a data plan now so can't really look into DUN issue..may be a few weeks after i can,definitely not now though

keyx said:
because we don't have other better place to meet & group the threads together haha, so people just just post here for any HP IPAQ i suppose
anyway adapter made for HTC won't work on 91x because the pin-layout is different for audio.
It is ok to use the same cable for charge and sync because the charge and data transfer is a common standard in mini-usb. No audio is defined in the standard so manufacturer define their own-standard
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As I mentioned already some time ago, there is a better place. Setup specially for ipaq 614/914 etc .... And ppl waiting to get news
Look here
Dirk

dirlan2001 said:
As I mentioned already some time ago, there is a better place. Setup specially for ipaq 614/914 etc .... And ppl waiting to get news
Look here
Dirk
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There is an IPAQ 910/912/914 forum there now, but zero posts there yet. I guess people are reluctant to post, if they think no one will read and respond there.
Someone has to start posting there........

I used to work on the HTC Juno (T-Mobile Shadow) in the Smartphone General section of xda-developers, and after a year or so they finally gave us our own sub-forum. They may eventually do the same here. You're right that there's a bit of an HTC-only vibe with the way the forum is organized, but certainly I've seen Toshiba and Samsung-manufacturered device ROMs around here too.
The benefits of staying with xda-developers are clear: we use the same tools and methods that are used for HTC devices. Not to mention that despite the new iPAQs having a different manufacturer, they share much of the same kinds of underlying hardware (i.e. Qualcomm chipset, ARM processor). Those who own an HP 61x or a 91x are likely to have owned an HTC device in the past and may own an HTC device in the future. It is nice for us to stay with the same community
The big irony, of course, is that we've seen far more progress on xda-developers for the 61x and the 91x than we have for the (older and uglier) iPAQ h6300, which was actually made by HTC. Just ask brewhoxs - he'll tell you all about how there's no custom ROM developed for that device at all
Maybe rather than jumping to other forums we should put the pressure on xda-devs moderators to give us a sub-forum of our own.

benjaminries said:
I used to work on the HTC Juno (T-Mobile Shadow) in the Smartphone General section of xda-developers, and after a year or so they finally gave us our own sub-forum. They may eventually do the same here. You're right that there's a bit of an HTC-only vibe with the way the forum is organized, but certainly I've seen Toshiba and Samsung-manufacturered device ROMs around here too.
The benefits of staying with xda-developers are clear: we use the same tools and methods that are used for HTC devices. Not to mention that despite the new iPAQs having a different manufacturer, they share much of the same kinds of underlying hardware (i.e. Qualcomm chipset, ARM processor). Those who own an HP 61x or a 91x are likely to have owned an HTC device in the past and may own an HTC device in the future. It is nice for us to stay with the same community
The big irony, of course, is that we've seen far more progress on xda-developers for the 61x and the 91x than we have for the (older and uglier) iPAQ h6300, which was actually made by HTC. Just ask brewhoxs - he'll tell you all about how there's no custom ROM developed for that device at all
Maybe rather than jumping to other forums we should put the pressure on xda-devs moderators to give us a sub-forum of our own.
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Well that's the problem .. the guys at WinMoDev made an agreement with XDA to keep out each others fishingpond. XDA for HTC-phones and WinMoDev for other. Although I must agree I haven't seen much life on WinMo, the forum being many times down for some reason.
So wether we keep 'hiding' in the Sable-forum, or move over depends on the posters and on the readers, of course.
Just my 2c
Dirk

dirlan2001 said:
Well that's the problem .. the guys at WinMoDev made an agreement with XDA to keep out each others fishingpond. XDA for HTC-phones and WinMoDev for other. Although I must agree I haven't seen much life on WinMo, the forum being many times down for some reason.
So wether we keep 'hiding' in the Sable-forum, or move over depends on the posters and on the readers, of course.
Just my 2c
Dirk
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Really? This is the first I've heard of such a mutual no-compete agreement between the voluntary operators of two free forums.
Interesting. Not to toot anyone's horn, but we'd probably get a successful one-shot transition if keyx, sergiorus, ke_steve_le, Montecristo and myself all moved at the same time.
And maybe we should? Except winmodevelopers.co.cc says they are moving to new phpbb forums that will be at winmodevs.com. Plus when I visit the existing site it tries to install an unknown ActiveX control. Not cool!
Haha we should shop around wmexperts.com and ppcgeeks.com for competing trade offers

benjaminries said:
Really? This is the first I've heard of such a mutual no-compete agreement between the voluntary operators of two free forums.
Interesting. Not to toot anyone's horn, but we'd probably get a successful one-shot transition if keyx, sergiorus, ke_steve_le, Montecristo and myself all moved at the same time.
And maybe we should? Except winmodevelopers.co.cc says they are moving to new phpbb forums that will be at winmodevs.com. Plus when I visit the existing site it tries to install an unknown ActiveX control. Not cool!
Haha we should shop around wmexperts.com and ppcgeeks.com for competing trade offers
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Hi,
Here's the topic in which Jay mentionned it ... The forum is still on the original *.forumer.com, so indeed rather confusing.
I use Firefox, no ActiveX seen or heared
Dirk

hey guys
im sorry to see you have had isues with the forum
at one point there was a very confusing time as we were gonna move to another brand of forum but that fell through, as for the downtime that was due to us perfecting the forum
one change that was implemented though as we have taken away all of the device forums this was mainly due to fatc that more and more device makers are bringing out winmo phones this makes it very hard for me and the other admins to keep track of
also we needed a place for non htc android devices to go
HOWEVER
the forum is up and running if you fancy moving there now
http://winmodevs.com
all the non htc devices are still welcome
also just to note the only reason there isnt a lot of posts is because if people dont se others helpoing they wont post so basically i need you devvers to get all you stuff moved over and theyll be a who load of new posters

Samsung Moment forum needed

Within the past week I migrated from the ROM-crazy Touch Pro to a Samsung Moment, and I'm disappointed to find that while XDA has a thriving Android community, there's barely a mention of the Moment. This is perplexing, as the Moment seems to be a very strong device.
I have found the SDX website and appreciate the good work going on over there, but it's a pretty small (though talented!) community. I would expect the Moment to gain more of a following if it were to get more exposure. Is there a reason XDA does not have a forum for this device? How would one go about requesting a new forum?

being a Moment and a CDMA Hero User i was wondering the same thing. :\

rattlez33 said:
Within the past week I migrated from the ROM-crazy Touch Pro to a Samsung Moment, and I'm disappointed to find that while XDA has a thriving Android community, there's barely a mention of the Moment. This is perplexing, as the Moment seems to be a very strong device.
I have found the SDX website and appreciate the good work going on over there, but it's a pretty small (though talented!) community. I would expect the Moment to gain more of a following if it were to get more exposure. Is there a reason XDA does not have a forum for this device? How would one go about requesting a new forum?
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This is a HTC device forum so no wonder the SAMSUNG Moment doesn't have its own forum. You can post things about the Moment in the Android Software Development section though.

I considered that, but then I noticed the Samsung Omnia and various Palm, Toshiba, and LG devices had XDA forums.

rattlez33 said:
I considered that, but then I noticed the Samsung Omnia and various Palm, Toshiba, and LG devices had XDA forums.
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No love for the Moment And I have one too

Reason would be because the XDA dev's would be pretty worthless (not an attack on them, just a statement of the following fact) at modifying and developing specific for the samsung moment. It utilizies different hardware and software that isn't found on any other android device (bits and pieces are found on other samsung devices only)... For example, the samsung moment utilizes a ONEnand chip and RFS (a samsung propritary) file system...

rattlez33 said:
I considered that, but then I noticed the Samsung Omnia and various Palm, Toshiba, and LG devices had XDA forums.
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I heard a mod said that those devices parts were made by htc and the phone was put together by htc. kinda like the nexus one thing.

Samsung Mobile and Sprint announced today that the Samsung Moment has been selected as the first phone to showcase a demonstration of a Mobile Digital TV chip.

Samsung and its Moment may not be mainstream like Motorola but I like the Moment and can't wait for the 2.1 update coming in late March or April. Should make it a better device with the improvements. At least that's the theory...

there is a forum for moment. i had it in my bookmarks but i had to do a reinstall on my comp so im searching for it again atm cuz i didnt save bookmarks.

Sadly the admins don't have time to read every thread in this forum... so it might be a better idea mentioning this in the following thread : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616206
This is monitored by the admins.
Dave

Indeed.. I already posted a request for the Galaxy(S) and the Spica in the request forum. If you want others, just go post your demand in following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616206

There is already a forum for Samsung (Android) devices.
Most Samsung users go to the SDX forum as XDA is an HTC Dev forum. I'd recommend checking there, first, as they have done A LOT in the way of development/modding/hacking/theming for the Moment.
The structure of the information provided in the guides can be a little hard to follow at first, but the guides are rather good. ROM/Update flashing is (often too) simple and the rooting process is automated in update.zip format, now.
Link: hxxp://sdx-developers.com
Personally, as a Moment user, I utilize both XDA and SDX, as great info can be found in both forums.

grayn0de said:
Personally, as a Moment user, I utilize both XDA and SDX, as great info can be found in both forums.
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Same here.

Requesting New "Accessories" Section

LatinSilEighty said:
Well since there's no Accessories section i figured Ide post this here...
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I agree. I've tons of questions and opinions about the availabilty of (or lack of) accessories for this phone.
How do we go about requesting a new "T-Mobile USA HD2 Accessories" child added to the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" parent thread?
I realize there may be a section for this over at the Leo side, but this is where I come for my 1024, since there are too many ways to go wrong back over at the Euro side...

I'll second that motion, because there are some clear differences in the two models which makes buying proper accessories difficult. It'd help a lot to have a T-MobileUS specific section.
Two things need to be made clear to new users:
"Don't flash a ...51... series Radio to your TMOUS HD2, or it'll be bricked!"
"Don't buy a European HD2 case for your TMOUS HD2, because it won't fit!"

+1
I'm dying to find a good USB cradle.

+1 for this

me too! +1

Bump
I'm bumping this post because:
It got buried over the weekend to page 2.
I'm hoping the mods missed it due to the OP and plus-ones being written over the weekend.
I like to see my threads on the first page
Here's hoping...

even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info. I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search. I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.

RKnight1983 said:
even though this would be nice, I think we should be grateful to have a different section for ROM and General info.
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Hence the "Request" and not the "Demand" Seriously though, I would be grateful if it were just a single root and 2,000 pages. This site is tremendous and I have been blown away from Day One with the assistance from other users that is given away freely here every day.
That being said, I don't think I'm being ungrateful in asking for one more section. If that is the way it seemed, please accept my humble apologies.
RKnight1983 said:
I really don't see the need for the different ROM section because I don't really look in the TMOUS section for ROM's personally because I know what to look for to make sure the ROM will work on my device, I know that this maybe for all the noobs around here (not calling you a noob) or people who need it in one space and don't want to search.
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Unfortunately, I did not originally know there was a difference. I had even picked out a (incompatible) ROM before looking for a Hard SPL. It was then that I stumbled upon the difference between the 512 and the 1024. It was also where I stumbled upon the "T-Mobile USA HTC HD2" root. Had it not been for the mistakes of others, who unfortunately bricked their phones learning the difference, I would have made the same rookie mistake.
As far as I can tell, this is the first time that a device difference this big has been released by HTC under the same general name (HD2, not Leo). This is the true source of the confusion, at least it was for me.
RKnight1983 said:
I just kinda think that it is just making the site better then needed and I personal could deal without a driffrent section just for TMUS HD2's. I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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I haven't seen different sections for GSM and CDMA either, but then we are dealing with an entirely fresh set of eyes with this phone. If you read my "What Did You Go Through For The HD2?" thread, you'll see that a good portion of the posters there are professing to have switched from other Operating Systems from iPhone to Android to Blackberry.
That being said, I don't think that too many of the so-called "n00bs" are really that, just misinformed and new to HTC or even Windows Mobile. I am sure that it takes a certain mindset and tempermant to take your brand-new, roughly-obtained $500 gadget and attempt a maneuver that could possibly turn it into a big fat paper-weight. Thus, we are seeing a lot of new faces, but not necessarily naive ones.
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My PC keyboard died so I had to finish this with my phone
With the influx of new users, xda-developers will benefit by listening to the new users and adapting to increase the usability and manageability of the website.
The US version of this phone is slightly larger than the Euro version, making many of the existing accessories simply do not fit this device. This necessitates a definitive section that is clearly deliniated from the existing sections.
you certainly have the right too disagree and the mods have the right to ignore the request, but I also feel that it doesn't hurt to ask

Last bump.
If this doesn't get action, I'll drop it and start spamming the General board...

RKnight1983 said:
I don't remember ever seeing different sections for GSM and CDMA version of different devices. I don't personally see this happing. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions though.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=479

Should xda give us our own portal?..They answered and said "YES"

Thanks to everyone that voted.
As for the 6 that voted No, have fun with your new EVO or Nexus One. I'm sure the $300-$400 is going to buy a great phone, but I'm going to hold off on it for a while.
Looks like we will have our own forum and sub-forums after the weekend
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6206357&postcount=899

We fought for this a long while ago... And I have suggested many times... I don't think it will happen as much as this sub-forum needs it..
*edit.. When I refreshed it was there..

Absolutely, positively yes.
The GSM Hero and the CDMA Hero are completely different phones. More different, at least that the Sprint Hero and the Verizon Droid Eris. (In fact, if there was ever a reason to put two phones in the same forum, it would be the Sprint Hero and the Eris. They're the same damn thing with different colored plastic...)
Sprint may not be the biggest carrier, but they're still not small. The Sprint Hero deserves the same treatment as any other phone....

Yes Yes Yes ...

No joke. The stupidist phones have their own forum. Why cant the CDMA Hero?
For instance:
The HTC Wallaby...Seriously?? ROFL
HTC Universal: Look how lame it looks...
HTC Apache: It barely has 250 threads.
HTC Charmer: Barely has 200 threads.
Palm Treo: Has two forums dedicated to their pile of **** phones. Really now?
HTC Athena: Lame
And that folks is just the tip of the iceberg. The CDMA Hero has more threads than the G2. LOL

Yes and a mod or two. I sent in a request for this yesterday.

its not even just a want at this point, its more like a need.

I mean as much activity that this single forum gets daily is cause alone for us to have our own portal

About time. This saves me two clicks...

Yeah lets go on strike...
Awww ****... no one needs us..
Oh well we really do need this, i hope they look at the stats soon, We have probably close to the highest posts and threads made a day.

totally agree we need this, not only would it help organize everything but then there would be the general discution section where people can post thier random stuff and not get 6 lame threads saying "stop with the lame threads" as far as potential mods go my votes go to toast and obilisk

we needed this a long time ago

Guys, there is a place to ask for this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276306&page=89
I posted just a day or so ago and even offered to donate for their time and effort to make this happen.
Maybe.....IF you posted your thoughts in that thread they would take a look.
It is after all a thread/area where they say to post and they'll answer you maybe?
Thanks,
Bubba.

bubbacs1 said:
Guys, there is a place to ask for this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=276306&page=89
I posted just a day or so ago and even offered to donate for their time and effort to make this happen.
Maybe.....IF you posted your thoughts in that thread they would take a look.
It is after all a thread/area where they say to post and they'll answer you maybe?
Thanks,
Bubba.
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I don't know that I would have offered them 50.00.
And in fact it's NOT hard to create subsections for this. This bulletin board software is fairly standard. Probably take 10 minutes to create stuff. Getting the mods to move threads around would take a while, sure, but the subfora would be ready and usable in the meantime.

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Who are the two ppl who said NO ?? They are certainly now owning a HTC Sprint Hero i believe

I agree. The subforum was a good idea when the GSM Hero had just been released and a CDMA version was still just a rumor, but now it is really its' own device with its' own community. We have no use for any of the GSM forums, all we have is this one dinky forum that expands at a collossal rate every day.

Re: Should xda give us our own portal? I'm sending over to Admins
No joke. The stupidist phones have their own forum. Why cant the CDMA Hero?
For instance:
The HTC Wallaby...Seriously?? ROFL
HTC Universal: Look how lame it looks...
HTC Apache: It barely has 250 threads.
HTC Charmer: Barely has 200 threads.
Palm Treo: Has two forums dedicated to their pile of **** phones. Really now?
HTC Athena: Lame
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You should understand that phones such as the Wallaby and Apache(although not the XDA line) are some of the original HTC phones and those forums are what started XDA. The Apache was HTCs first major entry into the US CDMA market. XDA-developers has historically been for GSM phones(ie,XDA's) with CDMA hacking based over at ppcgeeks.com. Threads for the Apache are in the thousands there.
Only since the CDMA hero has there been real active dominant development of any cdma phone done here....

it would be nice to just separate the general talk from the dev talk... I used to think this was a dev forum and everything else should go in hero general talk, the general user base reminds me otherwise on a daily basis.
Lord help you if you actually suggest a topic be moved, people start accusing you of acting like a self proclaimed mod. I've pretty much given up posting in this section because of it.

LOL. Seriously??? The EVO is coming out this summer and 25% of the hero community will be leaving immediately and then another 25% will leave for it in 6 months after that!
MODS, this subforum is just fine.

[Q] Any Development for porting WM7 into HD2?

hey there,
i was looking at windows 7 area but little confusing if those for HD2 or not? so is there any posssible way to port WM7 into USA Tmobile HD2? if is then please provide the links, files and details procedure. im a begineer person in all these stuff. need help. thanx

Ishtiak said:
hey there,
i was looking at windows 7 area but little confusing if those for HD2 or not? so is there any posssible way to port WM7 into USA Tmobile HD2? if is then please provide the links, files and details procedure. im a begineer person in all these stuff. need help. thanx
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Use search button and learn or your gonna end up bricking or soft bricking your phone .
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HD2 will fully support Windows 7. It is a supported phone and meets the requirments for buttons, resolution, memory, and speed.
T-Mobile will be releasing a free upgrade to Windows 7 later this year for the HD2. Not sure about others but I am sure the chefs will present 7.0 - I am personally not that excited about it.

free_loaderz said:
HD2 will fully support Windows 7. It is a supported phone and meets the requirments for buttons, resolution, memory, and speed.
T-Mobile will be releasing a free upgrade to Windows 7 later this year for the HD2. Not sure about others but I am sure the chefs will present 7.0 - I am personally not that excited about it.
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Really, this is the first I've heard of that. Where did you hear/read that from?

falconeyez said:
Really, this is the first I've heard of that. Where did you hear/read that from?
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It's not..... this thread should probably be closed and free_loaderz be banned...
All the information regarding Windows Phone 7 and HD2 is plastered all over the stickies in the 7 forums. You can't miss it if you know how to read.
Here
And here
Doesn't even require a search it's a sticky right on the top..... come on now.

"Windows 7" is an operating system for PCs.
What is "WM7"?

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"Windows 7" is an operating system for PCs.
What is "WM7"?
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It is actually Windows Phone 7

Just the facts folks:
T-Mobile or HTC ARE NOT RELEASING WP7 FOR THE HD2 OR ANY OTHER CURRENT DEVICE
WP7 IS being developed for the HD2....but we don't know if/or it will fully function
Asking for a WP7 ROM or release is grounds for a moderator warning
Please stop posting threads about this.

For further discussion please post in this thread.

It's real, check this out...
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/06/htc-hd2-runs-windows-phone-7-makes-us-yearn-for-more-video/

It's awesome. I'm waiting new ROM's with WM7 soon for HD2

calc said:
It's not..... this thread should probably be closed and free_loaderz be banned...
All the information regarding Windows Phone 7 and HD2 is plastered all over the stickies in the 7 forums. You can't miss it if you know how to read.
Doesn't even require a search it's a sticky right on the top..... come on now.
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Yeah but you have to admit, this looks to be a marketing ploy to push people into buying the new phones rather than buying the HD2 or equivalent and installing 7 at the time of release. Eventually, basing this assumption on track records and past experience, they will probably release a downloadable installer for those who meet the minimum requirements. But saying that the phone won't see an upgraded OS because of two extra buttons sounds absurd to me.
The MS devs probably also need to focus on a certain hardware set initially and after bugs are corrected we will probably see OS upgrades available, like they were hinting at before all the hype and hoopla. I don't see why you would suggest banning someone for curiosity, sure this is probably annoying to read over and over. But people are excited and you can't blame them.

WP7 will never come to legacy devices...it's been said by HTC and Microsoft both that legacy devices will never get official WP7 upgrades. People that keep hopeing for official updates really need to embrace reality.

I hope some dev about WM7.

Sorry I see now where to post further about this topic.

you taking this way to serious its just questions. you are typing like u mad over there. WE ARE NOT ALL COMPUTER GEEKS like you. chill out and help out or just keep it to yourself really.

This question has been asked HUNDREDS of times though, thats the problem. People don't understand patience.
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