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Reception issue with 8125

Am i the only one having problems with reception? Im always getting dropped calls and my AIM always disconnects. I tried a speedtest and get 70-130kbps on edge but my bud with a sidekick gets ~200. Sort of wierd considering tmobile US only gets gprs i believe? But anyway, if theres a fix then thatd be great.
btw, hows that foil trick in the other forum?

Actually, the Sidekick III (hiptop 3) uses EDGE technology also; this is just an assumption that he has an SK3 since the bandwidth hints EDGE technology.
EDGE speeds will vary depending on your location. In my house on my MDA, where i have full bars, I average about 210Kbps.

Yeah sorry, he has a Sidekick 2 and we were both in the same place when we did the speed test. Cingular sucks

i have really crappy reception with the tmobile mda too vs when i pull the sim card out and plug it into an old unlocked nokia.

My reception has been pretty good. I think it does a lot better then my Motorola Razr ever did.

The 8125 or the MDA doesn't support Edge.
Also, the orginal roms had problems. Update your wixard to a 2.21-2.26 rom and all should be well.

drdingo21, what do you mean 8125/MDA/Wizard doesn't support EDGE?!
ofcourse they do! maybe you dont have EDGE service available in your area but all Wizard variations do indeed support EDGE. I get ~180kb/s in my neighborhood but it can fall to 40kb/s at times during peak hours....not that i care because i mostly use it to check email and stuff like that

drdingo21 said:
The 8125 or the MDA doesn't support Edge.
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WRONG.
The Wizard is a Class 10 Edge device... the fastest Edge device available.
Don't spout off incorrect statistics when you don't know what you're talking about.
The fastest speed test I've seen on my 8125 was in the 180kbps range....
Most of the time it's between 80 and 120 though.
I just ran a speed test and got 81kbps

GldRush98 said:
WRONG.
The Wizard is a Class 10 Edge device... the fastest Edge device available.
Don't spout off incorrect statistics when you don't know what you're talking about.
The fastest speed test I've seen on my 8125 was in the 180kbps range....
Most of the time it's between 80 and 120 though.
I just ran a speed test and got 81kbps
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how are you able to do speed tests? i've just recently upgraded my rom to the newest one and reception is somewhat better. However i'm definitely not able to get those blazing speeds that you are mentioning. Is that thru wifi or thru the phone providers data network? thanks!

Anyone in USA really concerned about losing 3G?

Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?

My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.

th1nm1nt said:
My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.
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Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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I share
yeah, ummm, no 3G coverage here, don't care, lol. your 10%, well I am about 1%, just when I travel and can't hardly tell a difference anyway. Two things: Either the HTC rep that gave us bad news about the arrival of Blackstone in US is not telling the truth or doesn't know the truth to tell it. OR..... HTC really has the wrong idea about consumers in the US. Surely they realize that we want the device because of the many other improvements that it brings. The improvements in performance and the killer screen does it for me. I have owned PDA phone after PDA phone starting with the old Verizon xv6600, which by the way has a large screen compared to kaiser and many others and I know a breakthrough when I see one. If they really don't plan to release this device, then they had better be working on a 3G version with or without a sliding keyboard that runs windows mobile 7. If their really going to skip around generations and stuff, that wm7 device better arrive on time and on par with the iPhone in refinement and usability. They should make a device that people don't really need to cook ROMs to be satisfied with. Do it right the first time, don't take backwards steps, don't take baby steps either. Turn one foot directly in front of the other, in full force and confidence; the smart way. I want it now!

brucewilsonpa said:
Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?
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i think maybe its hidden and we can unlock it(if i get it, ill try to unlock the usa 3g) and if not maybe i can get ahold of a prototype with usa 3g. if not then oh well. ill keep it and sell it once they make one with usa 3g. i say if ur really worried then wait.......

I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...

Doesnt matter to me.
Only time I use it is if I accidentally update my weather application.

JesseW said:
I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...
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We finally got 3G here when I live in Millsboro Delaware. After installing Solace I to get the Big H now. I was either dumb or confussed. LOL However after the good people on here explained that H is better then 3G I was delighted. Not sure why. Called ATT said it was a little better, well faster and was fine for me to use with my unlimited plan.
Solace 1.5 is so smooth I just can't believe that I'd think of getting or replacing my Tilt. I think I finally found the phone for me.
Beachboyde/Jon

I switched from the Tytn 2 over to the Diamond not too long ago. I gave up 3G for slimmer form factor. I barely notice the difference. Maybe occasionally when I use YouTube or Opera, I wish I had a faster connection, but my day to day use of corporate push email is unaffected.
I would like to see the XDA pros open up 3G on these phones, but I feel the features are worth living with EDGE.
...but then again, I've been tempted to pick up a Slingbox lately too. Not sure I'd trust Slingplayer running on E.

Blob8me said:
Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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So does that mean I'm no longer the stalker...but now you are?

T-mobile USA has 1700 Mhz and 2100 MHz frequencies for 3G support.
This is what I got from their website
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What frequency does your 3G network support?
Our 3G network supports both the 1700MHz and 2100MHz frequencies.
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So... I'll try 3G there once I get mine....

3G or no 3G
I have a Touch Diamond with no 3G (edge only) and one with 3G. (the big H) .
To me, not a big enough difference to worry about. The Edge connection is actually fast enough for me. May a half sec. difference in connection to web pages. Im getting the Touch HD. Besides most of the time I'm on wifi anyway. No big deal

So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.

bartimeus said:
So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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Not determined yet. The Elite team in the Raphael ROM forum does admit there is different hardware. They have connected to the US 3G, but don't think it is stable. They haven't finalized their research as of yet, but sure some more information will be coming shortly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420586

ok so it is hardware inside the phone that differs between US and EU 3G?
So if the bands on the specs page of the phone list US bands then it should be good to go?
Not trying to hyjack the thread I am just curious.

i will be getting an HD and droppign the touch pro... i think

bartimeus said:
So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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As far sas i heard. its the onboard chip that does the differents. HTC said that on some of the old phones, where it got hacked and worked with 3G, hardware was there but not activated. thats why the people here could get it to work. But HTC stated that this is not the case in the HD. THey said that the HD can not be hacked to work with 3G, as it is not possible hardware wise for the HD to recieve 3g signals on the USA network

i believe i said this already once but its more of a matter of just the antennas and if they can recieve the usa 3g bands or not. the actual chipset i know can use the bands its a matter or just enabling them.

I thought the 3g put a 3g icon not the big h? Thats how it shows on my friends tilt. Me i have not had 3g ever since i have used at&t lol cause i had the wizard and now the wing. Does 3g affect call performance or just data, if so i could care less about 3g then. Although i would rather no pay the premium price on the hd buying from europe

AT&T has HSUPA but you have to activate it in the settings.

No 3G in the USA with the HD?!

Hey guys looking into purchasing an HD. Was reading this review, http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=1111&p=4 , and it says that there is no 3G available for the USA. It's in the last paragraph named PURCHASING and it's also under the CONS section.
Is this true?

Unfortunately, NO USA 3G is correct...only EDGE. For more info, there are already a number of threads about this.

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Unfortunately, NO USA 3G is correct...only EDGE. For more info, there are already a number of threads about this.
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Tried doing a search, but didn't find anything. I guess I wasn't using the right keywords.
Are there any developments with this? Like is there going to be a later version with 3g capability?
Because of this, I'm going to have to look for another phone.

No further developments or announcements yet...maybe after the New Year we'll hear something.
Here's one of the threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450670

you should be fine with edge. enough to push email and light browsing. 3g just means more battery drainage imo. plus the pricy data package. I mean if your really need 3g, I'd rather get it for a notebook, then you would have full potential. Most of the locations have wifi now a days so hopefully 3g won't be your downfall on not getting the phone.

EkS said:
Hey guys looking into purchasing an HD. Was reading this review, http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=1111&p=4 , and it says that there is no 3G available for the USA. It's in the last paragraph named PURCHASING and it's also under the CONS section.
Is this true?
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Very true but I've been using mine on AT&T's edge network and performance is not bad... there is wifi at both home and work so in those enviroments really fast... 3G would be nice but at the end of the day not a real deal breaker -- for me at least

I agree, Edge is also fine with me and worth it just to have all the other functionality of this great device!

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I agree, Edge is also fine with me and worth it just to have all the other functionality of this great device!
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Does one need a 3G (fast) network in order to have GPS or mapping capabilities in the US?
I'm seriously thinking about getting this phone, but I really won't be able to use it to its full extent until April, 2009. I'm currently in the middle east and will be moving back to the states next year.

galaxys said:
No further developments or announcements yet...maybe after the New Year we'll hear something.
Here's one of the threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450670
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Thank you!
Cheeze[iT] said:
you should be fine with edge. enough to push email and light browsing. 3g just means more battery drainage imo. plus the pricy data package. I mean if your really need 3g, I'd rather get it for a notebook, then you would have full potential. Most of the locations have wifi now a days so hopefully 3g won't be your downfall on not getting the phone.
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I agree, Edge is also fine with me and worth it just to have all the other functionality of this great device!
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I won't be getting it because there is no 3G. I use it to tether with my notebook when nothing else is available, and most of the time I have 3G service. I do pay for the expensive data plan. I thought I had found my next phone, but I guess not.

Another US user on the AT&T network here. I, too, "downgraded" from a 3G phone. I haven't regretted it.
I did a couple of speed test comparisons between my old phone on 3G and the Touch HD on EDGE. I found that the bandwidth test results showed my 3G phone to have around four times the bandwidth that the Touch HD has on EDGE.
However, the real difference is much less than that suggests. For most online activities, unless you're dealing with the download of large files, most of the time is spent during connection overheads and latencies. In practice, I find that the difference in speed is less than a factor of two. That is easily worth the additional capabilities of the Touch HD.
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Does one need a 3G (fast) network in order to have GPS or mapping capabilities in the US?
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No.
Even the Google Maps location feature based on cell-tower triangulations works fine on the Touch HD in the US using the EDGE network (at least here in the San Francisco Bay Area).

guney said:
Another US user on the AT&T network here. I, too, "downgraded" from a 3G phone. I haven't regretted it.
I did a couple of speed test comparisons between my old phone on 3G and the Touch HD on EDGE. I found that the bandwidth test results showed my 3G phone to have around four times the bandwidth that the Touch HD has on EDGE.
However, the real difference is much less than that suggests. For most online activities, unless you're dealing with the download of large files, most of the time is spent during connection overheads and latencies. In practice, I find that the difference in speed is less than a factor of two. That is easily worth the additional capabilities of the Touch HD.
No.
Even the Google Maps location feature based on cell-tower triangulations works fine on the Touch HD in the US using the EDGE network (at least here in the San Francisco Bay Area).
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Thanks.
One more noob question: does a (an expensive) data plan usually have to be purchased to activate google maps? I'd probably only be using google maps and light browsing on my phone. Approx how much would I be looking at concerning monthly cost?

Yes, you'll need a data plan for google maps as each map has to be downloaded for each new GPS location. The "all you can drink" data plan for AT&T is about $30 a month.
I actually miss the 3G on my Kaiser and its a bit embarassing trying to show an iPhone user something web related on your HD at Edge speed.

Why is 3G Slow?

Ok I use have a Wing and ive never gotten a data plan because of the price. I finaly broke down and got a G1 cause there was more power under the hood plus anyone could develop on it being open. Well i got a deal on one and the price was decent so I got a data plan bundled with my original plan. Ive never used a data connection before so when I got home I started playing with it. I wasnt all that impresed with the connection speeds, Its almost like its on a crappy dial-up connection. The Youtube app is pretty much useless unless your on wifi it only plays about 2sec's before it buffers for a minute and then plays another 2sec's. Now is this normal? Is this what 3g really is? Am I missing a bigger picture here?. Heres some of the things i have done to try and get some sort of improvement.
Screwed around with APN's.
Tryed it in diffrent areas around the state.
Flashed it with 1.5 which i do believe came with a new radio.
Any input would be greatly appreciated, Im not putting down the phone as a matter of fact i love it, Im just not too fond of this connection technology.

I was dealing with some of the same issues.I installed Adrenaline and my connection seems way better

How is the coverage in you area? I've never had any problems with my 3G on my G1, always between 2 and 3 MBit connection...... Are you sure your carrier supports UMTS/HSDPA? Without those 3G is worth nothing..... Also make sure you are stationary when testing speeds.

Coverage is great ive never lost a 3g connection its just slow as hell and almost is useless to me, My carrier is T-mobile and wether or not it is supported i dont have a clue as to find out if it is.
well my test speed stationary was 38.6 Kbit\s with full bars, Doesnt even come close to your speeds. Any other Ideas?

When you're using your mobile network, does the 3G symbol show in the notification bar? Or does it say E? If it says E and you're getting those speeds then those are about right for the EDGE network. However, if you're connected with the 3G symbol next to the link, then those speeds are too slow. If it says E, make sure you don't have 2G network only checked under settings>wireless>mobile network. If that's not checked, then its likely you just don't have 3G in your area.

nope the notification is always 3G

Meh my edge is 10kb download, I would kill for 3g...
It takes miniutes to load pages and seconds to load google.

RBRat3 said:
Im just not too fond of this connection technology.
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It's not the connection technology - it's either a problem with your phone, or just that your carriers network isn't very good and/or doesn't have the necessary backbone to cope with the amount of traffic generated by its subscribers. Given that T-Mobiles 3G network in the US isn't exactly pervasive, I'd hedge my bets that it is a network issue.
Here in the UK, I live in a very rural area, and I get 2.4mbps on my G1 via T-Mobile UK. Can't really tell the difference between being on WiFi and 3G given the actual processing speed of the device.
Of course, we're very lucky here in the sense that we are a small country (thing of Georgia and Florida combined) with a high population density. This means it is comparatively simple to get blanket 3G coverage (say 95% ish at least in terms of population).
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I never really said it was the connection technology, Its just that my first impression with 3g has been unfavorable, Damn I just sold my wing and i didnt even think of trying out the 3G on it to see if anything was better. Ohh and sadly when i do get edge Its great and alot more faster which is odd to say but to face the facts i can watch youtube videos with edge with no problem. Ill probley reflash it with official 1.5 and if i get the same results then is there a way to dumb down the browser to make it almost txt based without any image and uneeded script loading to atleast make browsing the web alittle more likeable.

RBRat3 said:
I never really said it was the connection technology, Its just that my first impression with 3g has been unfavorable, Damn I just sold my wing and i didnt even think of trying out the 3G on it to see if anything was better. Ohh and sadly when i do get edge Its great and alot more faster which is odd to say but to face the facts i can watch youtube videos with edge with no problem.
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Theoretically, EDGE maxes out at 192kbps and "standard" UMTS 3G at 384kbps. With HSDPA, the theoretical maximum is 7.2mbps, but most carriers don't support speeds such as this yet (T-Mobile UK supposedly at 4.5mbps).
So, if you are getting better performance over EDGE than you are over 3G, and assuming that T-Mobile uses the same backhaul network for both 3G and EDGE traffic, it seems more likely to me that you may have a problem device. I'd suggest a trip to a T-Mobile retail location may help, since they should be able to compare your experience with other devices.
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Well ill check out some nearby stores and see if they have working display models to try it out and cross refrence them to see if they compare the same. To get alittle off topic here so far i have had one problem with the device I played Retro defense from the market (Game BTW) and i played it for 2 hours straight. After 2 hours of gameplay that phone was hotter than hell which was kinda scarey and It just shut off blinking red on the notification LED so i figured the phone can actually overheat. I can reproduce this over and over only with that game. So if that hasnt happend to anyone then its a possibility that your assumption might be right that my device might have a defect. But its kind of a big crossover between overheating and connection difficulty.

Crazy thought, i know, but how's EDGE speed on the HD2?

can one of the lucky ones nice enough to disable 3G and see how the EDGE speed is?

If i disable 3G H, I will have G.
Don't have E here in Netherlands.

thank you for that
The HD2 is a class 12 EDGE capable of 560kbps...twice as fast as the EDGE speed on diamond/tp/hd/d2/tp2. I was just wondering if someone can test it to see if it gets even around the 400-500kbps range.

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thank you for that
The HD2 is a class 12 EDGE capable of 560kbps...twice as fast as the EDGE speed on diamond/tp/hd/d2/tp2. I was just wondering if someone can test it to see if it gets even around the 400-500kbps range.
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Mine will be arriving tomorrow, i am in the states so I will only have EDGE. I have never benchmarked mobile connectivity so if you will:
1. post a link to the app that does it
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2. Post the site i can use
I will post these results tomorrow

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Mine will be arriving tomorrow, i am in the states so I will only have EDGE. I have never benchmarked mobile connectivity so if you will:
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congrats mallman!! Use this dslreport link to test your EDGE speed. It's better to run it a few times to get the avg speed http://i.dslr.net/iphone_speedtest.html
Thanks!

lude219 said:
congrats mallman!! Use this dslreport link to test your EDGE speed. It's better to run it a few times to get the avg speed http://i.dslr.net/iphone_speedtest.html
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will do, UPS shows it "out for delivery" hopefully that doesn't mean 8 hours haha.

Sweet web site, just for comparison (if anyone cares), here are the numbers I got using a Tilt2 on AT&T in the Seattle area. I did this test using AT&T's stock ROM and Opera 9.5
http://i.dslr.net/iphone_speedtest.html
3G Turned ON : 528kbps / 654kbps / 698kbps --> so average is 626kbps
unfortunately I didn't find a way to turn off 3G so I can't tell what my EDGE speeds would be, if anyone knows a way let me know.

LCyberFox said:
unfortunately I didn't find a way to turn off 3G so I can't tell what my EDGE speeds would be, if anyone knows a way let me know.
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Go into Comm Manager...

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unfortunately I didn't find a way to turn off 3G
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I can tell you how to do it on a TP2: maybe the same will work on an HD2? Go onto the Settings screen in TouchFLO/Sense. Hit "Communications", then "Phone" (not the switch, the bit to the left); scroll down to the bottom and hit "Band"; then, in the top section ("Network Type") choose "GSM" rather than "Auto" and hit the "Done" soft button.

LCyberFox said:
Sweet web site, just for comparison (if anyone cares), here are the numbers I got using a Tilt2 on AT&T in the Seattle area. I did this test using AT&T's stock ROM and Opera 9.5
http://i.dslr.net/iphone_speedtest.html
3G Turned ON : 528kbps / 654kbps / 698kbps --> so average is 626kbps
unfortunately I didn't find a way to turn off 3G so I can't tell what my EDGE speeds would be, if anyone knows a way let me know.
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Hi cyberfox, the Tilt2 (or TP2) has a class 10 EDGE capable of up to 236kbps. The HD2 has a class 12 EDGE of up to 560kbps. No need to do your EDGE test because the older qualcomm MSM7xxxx on your tilt2 and my diamond has a max of 236kbps...though real world it's around 100+kbps (i have very good EDGE reception and have done many tests and they range from 90-140kbps).
For that reason, I'm curious as how fast the HD2 EDGE really is, and if it can average above 400kbps...that would be night and day! Hopefully mallman or someone here in the States can verify

I'm insulted! To think I wouldn't know how to do it if the option was actually there in Comm Manager or in the Phone settings!
I guess the stock ATT Rom (I plan on selling this guy soon so I don't want to put a cooked rom in) removes that option. I remember my old Tilt loaded with EnergyROM had a "3G on/off" right in the HTC's communication screen, this one doesn't have it there or in the phone settings (there is no "Band", and you can't even pick the network you want, it just has a "Find Network" button which puts me in ATT's network automatically, no settings).
But anyhow, as lude219 noted the real thing we all (well, at least I) want to know is the EDGE on the HD2 and how it compares with 3G, as he said if the HD2 edge can really reach 500 and averages at 400 then well 400-500 vs 600 isn't that bad at all

I get 230Kbps with the HD2 on at&t and have full bar...i think at&t might not be supporting EDGE class 12

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I get 230Kbps with the HD2 on at&t and have full bar...i think at&t might not be supporting EDGE class 12
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i agree because i got 230 once and upper 190's to 220's other times. Sorry for the delay, had to find time to get to a place wher ei actually had good ervice lol. I really hope they release this on verizon so i can sell it and get one on verizon lol. I am so jealous of my wife's imagio connection stability.

Here is a screen shot I got while inside a building over 1mi (as the crow flies) from the tower and 3 bars displayed on ATT edge. I will have to try it with better signal soon..

thank you clubtech, mallman and mike for the sad confirmation I guess AT&T capped their EDGE...oh well...i guess i'll wait even longer

Tmo US
Can someone post a test for US T-Mobile on Edge connection please