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Reception issue with 8125

Am i the only one having problems with reception? Im always getting dropped calls and my AIM always disconnects. I tried a speedtest and get 70-130kbps on edge but my bud with a sidekick gets ~200. Sort of wierd considering tmobile US only gets gprs i believe? But anyway, if theres a fix then thatd be great.
btw, hows that foil trick in the other forum?

Actually, the Sidekick III (hiptop 3) uses EDGE technology also; this is just an assumption that he has an SK3 since the bandwidth hints EDGE technology.
EDGE speeds will vary depending on your location. In my house on my MDA, where i have full bars, I average about 210Kbps.

Yeah sorry, he has a Sidekick 2 and we were both in the same place when we did the speed test. Cingular sucks

i have really crappy reception with the tmobile mda too vs when i pull the sim card out and plug it into an old unlocked nokia.

My reception has been pretty good. I think it does a lot better then my Motorola Razr ever did.

The 8125 or the MDA doesn't support Edge.
Also, the orginal roms had problems. Update your wixard to a 2.21-2.26 rom and all should be well.

drdingo21, what do you mean 8125/MDA/Wizard doesn't support EDGE?!
ofcourse they do! maybe you dont have EDGE service available in your area but all Wizard variations do indeed support EDGE. I get ~180kb/s in my neighborhood but it can fall to 40kb/s at times during peak hours....not that i care because i mostly use it to check email and stuff like that

drdingo21 said:
The 8125 or the MDA doesn't support Edge.
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WRONG.
The Wizard is a Class 10 Edge device... the fastest Edge device available.
Don't spout off incorrect statistics when you don't know what you're talking about.
The fastest speed test I've seen on my 8125 was in the 180kbps range....
Most of the time it's between 80 and 120 though.
I just ran a speed test and got 81kbps

GldRush98 said:
WRONG.
The Wizard is a Class 10 Edge device... the fastest Edge device available.
Don't spout off incorrect statistics when you don't know what you're talking about.
The fastest speed test I've seen on my 8125 was in the 180kbps range....
Most of the time it's between 80 and 120 though.
I just ran a speed test and got 81kbps
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how are you able to do speed tests? i've just recently upgraded my rom to the newest one and reception is somewhat better. However i'm definitely not able to get those blazing speeds that you are mentioning. Is that thru wifi or thru the phone providers data network? thanks!

HSPDA ???

Hi!
Now I think I may get a few people thinking I am wierd but hey!! I would like to know a bit more about HSPDA. I know it is a new speed access for data. But how do i activate my Ameo to use it and does anyone know where i can get a coverage map to see where i can use it??

HSDPA is activated on W'n'W Plus by default - not sure how you tell on the Ameo - some ROMS display H instead of U/3G but the Ameo doesn't appear to.

On my HTC Advantage on Cingular it dispalys 'H' when I am in a HSPDA coverage area.

yes mine displays H at times

I have been wondering the same thing (i.e how to tell when the Ameo is using HSDPA).
In the UK, I have never seen an "H" displayed with my Ameo on web'n'walk

Like I say, on other phones it depends on the ROM - I have never seen an H on my Ameo and have been getting far faster than 3G speeds!

On T-Mobile UK, wherever there is 3G, there is HSDPA. The T-Mobile ROM does not change between displaying 3G and H - no need becauise 3G = H on T-Mobile UK.
I forget the max T-Mobile speed at present - about 600k I think. If I remember correctly, they are aiming to double that in places by the end of the year.
No need to configure an English Ameo for HSDPA.

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On T-Mobile UK, wherever there is 3G, there is HSDPA. The T-Mobile ROM does not change between displaying 3G and H - no need becauise 3G = H on T-Mobile UK.
I forget the max T-Mobile speed at present - about 600k I think. If I remember correctly, they are aiming to double that in places by the end of the year.
No need to configure an English Ameo for HSDPA.
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i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).

Could do with your support buddy...
wu5262 said:
i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).
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Agreed. I too get an average of 1k but mine too tops out at about 1.1-1.2.
Hey wu. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope all's well. I would have thought the Athena project would be of interest to...plus with your contacts, your help would no doubt be invaluable to us all.
Anyway no sales pitch. Just hope you join in, as we now have 2 great developers on board and are soon to receive 2 devices. OK enough plugging for now.
See you there hopefully.

mackaby007 said:
Agreed. I too get an average of 1k but mine too tops out at about 1.1-1.2.
Hey wu. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope all's well. I would have thought the Athena project would be of interest to...plus with your contacts, your help would no doubt be invaluable to us all.
Anyway no sales pitch. Just hope you join in, as we now have 2 great developers on board and are soon to receive 2 devices. OK enough plugging for now.
See you there hopefully.
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Hi mackaby, I have been a bit busy, yes, the Athena project interest me a lot, but I am having problems with my paypal.......hopefully i will sort it out soon.You have a nice day and see you around.

wu5262 said:
i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).
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The info comes straight from several sources at T-mobile - all their 3G coverage is also HSDPA. However, I have an Ameo, which only ever shows 3G.

apd said:
The info comes straight from several sources at T-mobile - all their 3G coverage is also HSDPA. However, I have an Ameo, which only ever shows 3G.
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I have heard this before but am not certain it's true, can anyone else confirm or deny?

Confucious said:
I have heard this before but am not certain it's true, can anyone else confirm or deny?
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that is certainly wrong, i have seen 3G and HSDPA separately in different location. The speed difference is huge. BTW, you shouldn't listen to mobile operator, most of the time they don't know what are they talking about. Guess what, some of them don't even know there is a 3.5G (HSDPA). (I mention this to them, and they ask me to google it !)

No 3G in the USA with the HD?!

Hey guys looking into purchasing an HD. Was reading this review, http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=1111&p=4 , and it says that there is no 3G available for the USA. It's in the last paragraph named PURCHASING and it's also under the CONS section.
Is this true?

Unfortunately, NO USA 3G is correct...only EDGE. For more info, there are already a number of threads about this.

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Unfortunately, NO USA 3G is correct...only EDGE. For more info, there are already a number of threads about this.
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Tried doing a search, but didn't find anything. I guess I wasn't using the right keywords.
Are there any developments with this? Like is there going to be a later version with 3g capability?
Because of this, I'm going to have to look for another phone.

No further developments or announcements yet...maybe after the New Year we'll hear something.
Here's one of the threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450670

you should be fine with edge. enough to push email and light browsing. 3g just means more battery drainage imo. plus the pricy data package. I mean if your really need 3g, I'd rather get it for a notebook, then you would have full potential. Most of the locations have wifi now a days so hopefully 3g won't be your downfall on not getting the phone.

EkS said:
Hey guys looking into purchasing an HD. Was reading this review, http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=1111&p=4 , and it says that there is no 3G available for the USA. It's in the last paragraph named PURCHASING and it's also under the CONS section.
Is this true?
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Very true but I've been using mine on AT&T's edge network and performance is not bad... there is wifi at both home and work so in those enviroments really fast... 3G would be nice but at the end of the day not a real deal breaker -- for me at least

I agree, Edge is also fine with me and worth it just to have all the other functionality of this great device!

galaxys said:
I agree, Edge is also fine with me and worth it just to have all the other functionality of this great device!
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Does one need a 3G (fast) network in order to have GPS or mapping capabilities in the US?
I'm seriously thinking about getting this phone, but I really won't be able to use it to its full extent until April, 2009. I'm currently in the middle east and will be moving back to the states next year.

galaxys said:
No further developments or announcements yet...maybe after the New Year we'll hear something.
Here's one of the threads: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450670
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Thank you!
Cheeze[iT] said:
you should be fine with edge. enough to push email and light browsing. 3g just means more battery drainage imo. plus the pricy data package. I mean if your really need 3g, I'd rather get it for a notebook, then you would have full potential. Most of the locations have wifi now a days so hopefully 3g won't be your downfall on not getting the phone.
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I agree, Edge is also fine with me and worth it just to have all the other functionality of this great device!
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I won't be getting it because there is no 3G. I use it to tether with my notebook when nothing else is available, and most of the time I have 3G service. I do pay for the expensive data plan. I thought I had found my next phone, but I guess not.

Another US user on the AT&T network here. I, too, "downgraded" from a 3G phone. I haven't regretted it.
I did a couple of speed test comparisons between my old phone on 3G and the Touch HD on EDGE. I found that the bandwidth test results showed my 3G phone to have around four times the bandwidth that the Touch HD has on EDGE.
However, the real difference is much less than that suggests. For most online activities, unless you're dealing with the download of large files, most of the time is spent during connection overheads and latencies. In practice, I find that the difference in speed is less than a factor of two. That is easily worth the additional capabilities of the Touch HD.
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Does one need a 3G (fast) network in order to have GPS or mapping capabilities in the US?
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No.
Even the Google Maps location feature based on cell-tower triangulations works fine on the Touch HD in the US using the EDGE network (at least here in the San Francisco Bay Area).

guney said:
Another US user on the AT&T network here. I, too, "downgraded" from a 3G phone. I haven't regretted it.
I did a couple of speed test comparisons between my old phone on 3G and the Touch HD on EDGE. I found that the bandwidth test results showed my 3G phone to have around four times the bandwidth that the Touch HD has on EDGE.
However, the real difference is much less than that suggests. For most online activities, unless you're dealing with the download of large files, most of the time is spent during connection overheads and latencies. In practice, I find that the difference in speed is less than a factor of two. That is easily worth the additional capabilities of the Touch HD.
No.
Even the Google Maps location feature based on cell-tower triangulations works fine on the Touch HD in the US using the EDGE network (at least here in the San Francisco Bay Area).
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Thanks.
One more noob question: does a (an expensive) data plan usually have to be purchased to activate google maps? I'd probably only be using google maps and light browsing on my phone. Approx how much would I be looking at concerning monthly cost?

Yes, you'll need a data plan for google maps as each map has to be downloaded for each new GPS location. The "all you can drink" data plan for AT&T is about $30 a month.
I actually miss the 3G on my Kaiser and its a bit embarassing trying to show an iPhone user something web related on your HD at Edge speed.

Recommended radio for ATT

I have a unlocked tmob hd2, using it on ATT.
I get Edge ( as expected ) but that seems to be very slow....( probably this is the speed of edge)
Is there any specific radio version for using with ATT.
Any user experience is appreciated

I am using the tmobile hd2 on ATT and the speed seems fine to me. I am usually on wifi and really dont take notice of it. then again, how can you test the speed to know that you are getting true EDGE network speeds?
Also, I am using a custom ROM [Manila version touch x-treme 2.30.6.30],
with radio version 2.08.50.08_2
Bytheway, is it even possible to change the radio version? I would think that whats on the tmobile phone is specifically for their network.

bhagiratha said:
Bytheway, is it even possible to change the radio version? I would think that whats on the tmobile phone is specifically for their network.
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Funny thing is my unlocked HD2's radio reception and quality is much better running on ATT compared to when I had the T-Mo sim chip in. I must have some really crappy towers around me or ATT just saturates the area or the radio wasn't tested very well on the T-Mo network. Regardless, this puppy runs great on ATT. ATT Edge is better than T-Mo Edge as well. Go figure.

When i checked the speed 3g vs edge on att its huge
download speed 1574 vs 124
Upload speed 331 vs 19
Edge really feels so slow, especially after used to 3g speeds...
Probably get telstra then
Edit to correct the speed no. s

drgopoos said:
When i checked the speed 3g vs edge on att its huge
Upload speed 1574 vs 124
download speed 331 vs 19
Edge really feels so slow, especially after used to 3g speeds...
Probably get telstra then
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Hmmm, my download speeds on Edge match or slightly exceed your downloads for 3g. My downloads for T-Mo averages less than 100kb. I do get better results not using the ATT proxy though.

dario69 said:
Hmmm, my download speeds on Edge match or slightly exceed your downloads for 3g. My downloads for T-Mo averages less than 100kb. I do get better results not using the ATT proxy though.
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Sorry i got the no. s wrong.. .its the other way round....
I have edited my post

Radios aren't assigned to carriers. What works on T-Mobile will work on ATT. If you are on ATT using an unlocked T-Mo HD2, no matter what radio you use, you will not get 3G - different bands.

Know that very well but was wondering which radio would give the best reception for edge

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Radios aren't assigned to carriers. What works on T-Mobile will work on ATT. If you are on ATT using an unlocked T-Mo HD2, no matter what radio you use, you will not get 3G - different bands.
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Do they really have a separate hardware for different bands? I doubt it, would be pretty expensive. If it's a software, I guess we can expect somebody to hack it and enable all HSDPA AT&T bands

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Do they really have a separate hardware for different bands? I doubt it, would be pretty expensive. If it's a software, I guess we can expect somebody to hack it and enable all HSDPA AT&T bands
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It's actually for bands, so yes, there's separate hardware. Carriers do this to help instill customer loyalty and retention, among other things. There simply is no way to "hack it and enable all HSDPA AT&T bands"

SO If I have a TMO HD2 and have AT&T service - If I am a big internet user - I shouldn't bother with this phone? My Fuze will be faster? Or is it worth keeping the HD2 on At&T? I love the phone - the size, the screen, the features - ect... but If it is going to be a slower user experience for data I rather just sell it.

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SO If I have a TMO HD2 and have AT&T service - If I am a big internet user - I shouldn't bother with this phone? My Fuze will be faster? Or is it worth keeping the HD2 on At&T? I love the phone - the size, the screen, the features - ect... but If it is going to be a slower user experience for data I rather just sell it.
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It just depends on 1) how available wifi is as an option for you, and 2) if the EDGE speeds (in your area) are acceptable for when you'd have to be on that (no wifi available). My guess is that they probably won't be, especially if by "internet use" you include a lot of webpages, and/or streaming of any kind.

HSDPA? I always have an H on my phone - can the TMO HD2 do HSDPA on AT&T? If so is that different? I know I am a noob when it comes to bands.

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HSDPA? I always have an H on my phone - can the TMO HD2 do HSDPA on AT&T? If so is that different? I know I am a noob when it comes to bands.
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No, HSDPA is just a higher-speed 3G spec...it uses the same band ranges as regular 3G, so the same incompatibility still exists between AT&T and Tmo

Going back to the original question.
Is there any users on ATT who find a particular radio more useful than other...
WIth regards to edge reception
Thanks

I used 2.06 2.07, 2.08 with no difference on edge speed, I am in Dallas. However, in some areas I can get 3G, I thought HD2 was not compatible with US 3G frequencies, go figure.

farch said:
I used 2.06 2.07, 2.08 with no difference on edge speed, I am in Dallas. However, in some areas I can get 3G, I thought HD2 was not compatible with US 3G frequencies, go figure.
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That is interesting.
I just unlocked my HD2 but have yet to stick my sim in it - still on my FUZE... Debating on weather to sell it or use it.

I am running TMOUS unlocked HD2 on ATT.
I moved from original TILT and to me EDGE seems way better than 3G on my old TILT. I think it do to the processor speed probably but for me the results are still great.
I can only imagine how TELSTRA version would run on ATT !!!
Anybody know how actually measure the connection speed of my phone?
Thanks

NY_HAMMER said:
I am running TMOUS unlocked HD2 on ATT.
I moved from original TILT and to me EDGE seems way better than 3G on my old TILT. I think it do to the processor speed probably but for me the results are still great.
I can only imagine how TELSTRA version would run on ATT !!!
Anybody know how actually measure the connection speed of my phone?
Thanks
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www.dslreports.com/mspeed
Visit that site from your phone's browsers for a speed test. You'll probably get slightly different results using IE vs Opera, so try it several times to be confident in your results.
Avoid mobilespeedtest.com if you come across that site...their results are inconsistent and unreliable.

[Q] Can I get 3G+ on ATT Focus?

I've done the whole diagnosis tweaking (release 6) and pretty much all of the other tweaks I've found in these very helpful threads.
But my download and upload speeds are atrocious. 80-150 kbs mostly. I ALWAYS have a 3g signal. I'm located in Boston and before this I had a Tilt2, which data speeds avg. 2000 - 3500 kbs.
Could it be my sim card? it is like 3-4 years old. Just a thought, because really i have no idea.
I am a novice when it comes to this type of tweaking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thx

The specs indicate that the Focus is only capable of HSPA (HSDPA and HSUPA), not HSPA+.
Michael.

ouch, that hurts....8(
Thanks for the quick reply...much appreciated

But your Focus should still be able to match the speed of your Tilt2 which is HSPA as well (but with HSUPA disabled). The real world experience really depends where you are and how many AT&T customers are on the same tower as you. I routinely get about 100kbps speed (download) on my various 3G smart phones as well here in nation's capital.
On the other hand, a lot of ppl who bought the new '4G' HSPA+ AT&T phones (Inspire 4G and Atrix 4G) are also rarely ever get HSPA+ speed at all. Those so called 4G phones also comes with HSUPA disabled.
So, in the end, it is the same crappy AT&T network that limits your connection speed, really doesn't matter what phone you have. I'll be happy if I can reach the full 3G speed (2 to 3 mbps down, 1mbps up) in next few years. And refuse to play the AT&T '4G' game.

You should get a new sim card considering it is 3-4 years old that will affect connectivity to 3g and hspa network..
Boston network shouldn't be a problem.
Samsung Focus At&t USA

I had the same problem when I had an old SIM card in my att fuze when trying to connect to 3g and hspa speed networks...rule of thumb is buy a new SIM when switching to a new phone....it also depends on what network your on...are you at&t?
Samsung Focus At&t USA

Yes, I am currently on Att network. Which I must say was really reliable and fast, up until the last few months...
And I will get a new sim card after work today or early tomorrow. I will let you know if that helps at all.
Thanks peeps 8)

Jcavz said:
I've done the whole diagnosis tweaking (release 6) and pretty much all of the other tweaks I've found in these very helpful threads.
But my download and upload speeds are atrocious. 80-150 kbs mostly. I ALWAYS have a 3g signal. I'm located in Boston and before this I had a Tilt2, which data speeds avg. 2000 - 3500 kbs.
Could it be my sim card? it is like 3-4 years old. Just a thought, because really i have no idea.
I am a novice when it comes to this type of tweaking. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thx
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Samsung Focus unlocked I get 3G+ in EU, if that helps. Seemed pretty fast, but I haven't done a speed test, though.

Usually I unlock my phone as soon as I get it home. With a bunch of unknowns with the Focus, I'm waiting it out right now before I do anything
So My phone is still locked 8)
Thanks for the help

I got 3G+ icoon with Rogers ROM, but not with AT&T ROM. And there's tool which can enable 3G+ icon, so I think it's just a registry issue.

3g+
I also get 3G+ with a Rogers sim card in my Focus, same card in the BB only 3G.

Is it possible to check whether this is just graphic, or there is a real difference in d/u speeds? I am using AT&T Focus in Europe.

You can check real speed with speediest.net to differentiate whether its gfx only or real network.

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I also get 3G+ with a Rogers sim card in my Focus, same card in the BB only 3G.
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I'd love to hear what results you get if you test out the download/upload speeds. Like others have said you can use speedtest.net or there's a pretty good app called Bandwidth that I use.
Sent from my SGH-i917 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

I'm getting a Focus and will unlock it to use on T-Mobile. What's the highest speed I can get? Thanks.

ikingblack said:
I'm getting a Focus and will unlock it to use on T-Mobile. What's the highest speed I can get? Thanks.
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7.2 mbps download

siralex241 said:
7.2 mbps download
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tmobile's edge network is that fast?

minori_aoi said:
I got 3G+ icoon with Rogers ROM, but not with AT&T ROM. And there's tool which can enable 3G+ icon, so I think it's just a registry issue.
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Do you have a link to the tool that enables the 3G+ icon

baritoneguy said:
Do you have a link to the tool that enables the 3G+ icon
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HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Connectivity\CellularUx\DataConnectionIcon
1XHSDPA = "3G+"
You can basically change it into anything (3 chars max.). And I prefer "H", instead of "3G+".
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