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hey friends
i m going to buy desire hd tommorow and selling galaxy s ,
just want to make am i making right choice coz i m quite happy with display quality of galaxy s,but not wid its buggy ui and after installing custom ui and softwares make it battery hungry and laggy ......
also i m looking for camera flash and better build quality ,
guide me friends ,deal or no deal
thanks in advance
Go ahead with desire hd, I have changed from milestone to desire hd, htc sense is very user friendly interface, enhanced apps (browse, music player, sms , input ) no need to install third party. I am very happy with desire hd.
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well i m confused about display quality of desire hd as compared to galaxy s
How about going to a store and comparing the screens?
Some prefer LCD, others AMOLED.
You obviously get stronger colours and better blacks with AMOLED, while the LCD isn't bad at all and I'd like to say it is a bit sharper than AMOLED.
Also, and this might be due to the fact that I'm used to LCD, but I always find the colors my friends SGS to be oversaturated, and slightly tinted.
umiss said:
How about going to a store and comparing the screens?
Some prefer LCD, others AMOLED.
You obviously get stronger colours and better blacks with AMOLED, while the LCD isn't bad at all and I'd like to say it is a bit sharper than AMOLED.
Also, and this might be due to the fact that I'm used to LCD, but I always find the colors my friends SGS to be oversaturated, and slightly tinted.
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thts the thing i was looking ,benifits of desire hd display ,i hve heard lcd display are better in direct sunlight than s amoled is it true ?
trust me, the DHD is an amazing device - i'd fully reccomend it!
jeet1988 said:
thts the thing i was looking ,benifits of desire hd display ,i hve heard lcd display are better in direct sunlight than s amoled is it true ?
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that's right
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/21/super-amoled-vs-amoled-vs-lcd-in-direct-sunlight-fight/
alexluckett said:
trust me, the DHD is an amazing device - i'd fully reccomend it!
that's right
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/21/super-amoled-vs-amoled-vs-lcd-in-direct-sunlight-fight/
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thnks bro
buying it now
I much prefer the amoled screen, its taken me ages to get over having a lcd, each time i pick up my desire or blade, i cry a little.
But the rest of the hardware is erm.. Ace. (see what i did?)
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mikecoffee said:
I much prefer the amoled screen, its taken me ages to get over having a lcd, each time i pick up my desire or blade, i cry a little.
But the rest of the hardware is erm.. Ace. (see what i did?)
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hmmm twist in story
why so?
Personal preferences. AMOLED is good, but LCD ain't bad. Your computer screen is LCD. Try the Desire HD before you buy it.
The build quality of the DHD is very good. Some people complain about the plastic sim and battery covers, but these are necessary from RF engineering point of view (either you have alluminum back with plastic covers, or you have the whole back plastic - you decide which is better). Anyway, I didn't have any of the issues reported here - no sim cover misalignment, no proximity sensor issues (solved by the first OTA update AFAIK), no init bug (I keep USB debuging on just to be sure ), no nothing. Maybe, just maybe, my screen is tilted a little bit, but it might be my imagination playing tricks on me.
AMOLED vs. LCD is really down to the person who uses it. IMO the only good thing about AMOLED technology is the real black. Other than that, the larger viewing angle is unusable and the colours seem "wrong" to me.
Just a little warning - as you might know, the new 1.72 ROM can't be rooted (yet?), so if you intend to buy from a store, check the phone if it has the old 1.32 ROM, so you can root it and then go with the 1.72 root keeping update procedure.
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Just a little warning - as you might know, the new 1.72 ROM can't be rooted (yet?), so if you intend to buy from a store, check the phone if it has the old 1.32 ROM, so you can root it and then go with the 1.72 root keeping update procedure.
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Highlighted for emphasis due to the importance of this
DHD is a great phone. Love mine to bits. I've been trying to keep an AOSP rom on mine for a while now but keep coming back to Sense. Its just such a fantastic UI. Also the screen is fine. Colours are crisper on AMOLED but text is clearer on SLCD. The text display on AMOLED seems slightly pixelated and blurry to me
I think the S AMOLED screen is great but it's not as sharp. My DHD is sharper than my friends Galaxy S and it is noticable if you stare at both screens. Also after using the DHD the AMOLED seems to have a tint of purple not to mention it's whites never really look white. But boy are the blacks black, I cried a little when I compared. But the thing is the black on the DHD are good anyways.
I agree the dhd is the best phone i've owned, but like i said it just takes a while to get used to screen coming from amoled
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wht bout the audio quality of dhd ,specially from loud speakers
jeet1988 said:
wht bout the audio quality of dhd ,specially from loud speakers
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I've got a SGS for about 5 months now i switched to DHD. Audio quality is ok but not as good as SGS. Other wise i love it so much as its all leg free with specially with Android Revolution HD rom. I found SLCD does show natural colours then SAMOLED when watching videos. Dolby Mobile sounds great when listening music through headset.
Go for it..
I got the DHD for 3 Days now and its ... omg i cant explain!
the best thing is, i am an android user since G1, and even better , i CAME from G1 ! i was like OMFG *mouth open*
nothing to complain but one thing: after using apps like "Talking Tom the Cat" and same stuff (gf's daughter loves it!) it starts FC such games. it loads the game, i see like 2 seconds of the animated "avatar" than it crashes. a restart fixed it. but after some starts of 2 or 3 other games like that, it happend again.
BUT ONLY with such games!
other games like dungeon defender, nova, exzeus aso run like hell and keep my mouth open!
i was like the little girl in Despicable Me when gettin the fluffy unicorn "ITS SO FLUFFYY!!" but i was like "ITS SO DAMN AWESOME!!"
sry, i am 27 but exited like a 5 year old on christmas
The DHD is far superior. Bigger screen, better build quality (bye bye cheap plastic, hello unibody aluminium), and faster hardware (latest Snapdragon and 768MB RAM vs. outdated Hummingbird and 512MB RAM).
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I think the S AMOLED screen is great but it's not as sharp. My DHD is sharper than my friends Galaxy S and it is noticable if you stare at both screens. Also after using the DHD the AMOLED seems to have a tint of purple not to mention it's whites never really look white. But boy are the blacks black, I cried a little when I compared. But the thing is the black on the DHD are good anyways.
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I noticed exactly the same thing with my friends SGS.
The colors are all tinted blue/purple, but the blacks are wonderful.
SGS also has better digitizer (I read somewhere that is runs at 60hz whereas HTC runs at 50hz and iphone at 100hz, cant remember the source though), but you notice how things move better with your finger on the SGS, just slightly.
On the other hand, I notice random lags all the time on my friends SGS.
It's not an easy choice.
im using DHD now and its an awesome phone, the best that ive ever had.
I was coming from a HTC Magic upgrade, thus the difference is very significant.
However, if i owned a SGS, i wouldnt hv upgraded to a DHD to be honest. There will be a slightly better performance from the DHD compared to the SGS, but its not big enough to justify an upgrade IMO.
I wouldve waited next year, and see how those tegra 2 phones performs, and upgrade to one of them.
This does not work well with Touchwiz launcher or the default dialer and some of the older programs.
Change the Density of the screen. Get more info on your screen, like with a high resolution setting on your PC
Need ROOT (+ BusyBox)
*Fast density switching
*With the possibility to save the density and load it on demand or save the density as your default system density
Density change not supported by all devices.
Recent changes:
(Dec. 11) Preview / temporary density change now supports more devices. Corrected version# in the about box
Note1: setting the density as the system density will not work on the *Droid Incredible* stock rom. Temporary change and change by widget on reboot will though.
Note2: The new *Nexus S* will *not* support a system density change at the moment. If it will support a temporary change is not known at the moment.
LCD Density Changer v5.4 for Android
When this programs first came I guess it did not work with the Samsung Epic so well. But now it works perfectly with the Samsung Epic. From my experience using it the first time I flashed my phone the settings did not stick then I did a fresh install and not my setting stay on my phone. The only problem I have with this application is it makes my dialer small. But I know that the genius here will come out with a theme for our phone if the demand is high. Try this program out on the android market it is now free. Please let me know what you think of it.
I am using a density of 186 and the default density is 240 so (240/186) = 1.290322580645. So (240/186)*480 = 619.354838709677 and (240/186)*800 = 1032.258064516129. My map programs look great and so does my browser. If only people can start making themes that support this resolution.
I went to this website http://thirdculture.com/joel/shumi/computer/hardware/ppicalc.html to measure the ppi and with my resoultion I got a score of 300.95 ppi. I believe the Iphone 4 score is 319. With program you can go as low as 182 and without any FC. Beyond 182 and your contact will FC. (240/182)*480 = 633 and (240/182)*800 = 1055 with a ppi of 307.57 ppi which is not too bad. Most of the newer programs adjust to the new screen resolution. Also the great part is you can always change your resolution back to the default if you want to.
This sounds not to good for future stability
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Shoulon said:
This sounds not to good for future stability
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Relax this will not mess up the stability of android. This will only increase awareness of the need for more flexible resolutions. The program is very safe and stable. I have been using this program with little to no problems the only problem I have is the dialer can be too small but you can still make phone calls. Some people may preferr more real estate space on their screen and some people my want to their display to have less real estate space. It is all personal preference.
does it remove pentile?
shabbypenguin said:
does it remove pentile?
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No, that's a hardware element/flaw in amoled screens.
063_XOBX said:
No, that's a hardware element/flaw in amoled screens.
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This can be changed by editing build.prop,why do you need an app?
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Can somebody make a dialer theme that supports LCD Density Resolution 186?
ecooce said:
This can be changed by editing build.prop,why do you need an app?
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Not everybody is as tech savvy as you are you know. This app will make it easier for people to change the resolution to their screens. Without removing your sdcard or changing a text file. Also does anybody know how to theme. I was wondering if somebody could start making themes for the higher resolution or at least make a dialer that will display regular size. The dialer on my phone is a little bit small if I could get this fix my phone will be perfect. Now I can have the best of both worlds a Super Amoled screen with similar resolution as the Iphone 4.
The difference between PenTile and Real-Stripe
The difference between PenTile and Real-Stripe
You can find this article here: http://www.tested.com/news/pentile-vs-real-stripe-amoled-displays-whats-different/1868/
Pentile sub-pixels
All the pixels of your phone are made up of multiple sub-pixels. Your phone's resolution (often 800 or 854x480) is measured in pixels. Each of the sub-pixels is for a certain color-- red, blue, or green. On Samsung's Super AMOLED screens, each pixel is composed of 8 sub-pixels. PenTile refers to the arrangement of these sub-pixel elements. Unlike standard screens, PenTile is in an RG-BG arrangement. So you get one-third fewer sub-pixels in total by repeating the green after each red or blue sub-pixel. These screens are easier to manufacture, and we know that AMOLEDs are not easy to make in the first place.
RGB sub-pixels
Super AMOLED Plus will change the sub-pixel arrangement to be more in-line with other screen technologies. These screens will use RGB-RGB sub pixel arrangement. So here you get those extra screen elements back. Samsung has decided to brand this "Real-Stripe". Whereas each pixel in PenTile is made up of 8 sub-pixels, the Real-Stripe screen have 12 elements per pixel. That's the 50% increase in sub-pixels Samsung has been throwing around. It comes from a comparison to PenTile.
The effect of sub-pixel arrangement
When you look very closely at a Super AMOLED screen, you can see the effect of the PenTile screen. Some colors look almost grainy, or dare we say pixilated. This is more noticeable with warmer colors. Things can look speckled, and text a little more blurry. We will, however, say that Super AMOLED looks better than standard AMOLED screens in the sharpness department.
If you take a closer look at a Super AMOLED Plus screen, you will see those additional Real-Stripe sub-pixels at work. There should be no more graininess when viewed closer thanks to the additional screen elements. This will put Samsung's screens more in-line with LCD in clarity. This new sub-pixel arrangement won't come without cost, though.
The drawback to Real-Stripe is that the resulting pixels are overall greater in size. That means screen have to be a little bigger to accommodate the expected WVGA resolution. Super AMOLED phones like the Nexus S and Galaxy S had 4-inch screens. The Infuse 4G and Galaxy S2 are running Super AMOLED Plus panels at 4.5 and 4.3-inches respectively. The increased size is because the pixels are larger. We still expect image quality ot be better than Super AMOLED.
What this means for the future
The increase in pixel size for Real-Stripe is due to the manufacturing technology Samsung is using to produce their screens. Samsung currently employs Fine-Metal-Mask (FMM) technology to manufacture Super AMOLED and Super AMOLED Plus. This is a fine method, but it is expensive and has a printing accuracy of about 15μm (micrometers). Using this technique, Samsung can only make screen with pixel densities of about 200ppi. That's right in line with a 4.3-inch WVGA screen.
Samsung expects to soon switch over to laser-induced thermal imaging (LITI). As you may expect, this is a cheaper and more accurate method of producing AMOLED panels. LITI has accuracy of about accuracy of about 2.5μm. As a result, Samsung expects to be able to produce panels over 300ppi. In case you weren't aware, the iPhone 4 is about 326ppi. That could be an incredible AMOLED screen.
We flat-out like Samsung's Super AMOLED screens, and AMOLED Plus is likely to be a worthy successor. The color vibrancy and black levels are great, and clarity is better than standard AMOLED. The lingering issues with AMOLED are slowly being eroded as new manufacturing technologies roll out. Samsung phones will probably continue to have some of the most impressive screens out there for the foreseeable future. Let us know what you think about AMOLED panels and the different sub-pixel arrangements. Would you overlook Samsung's other Android issues to lay hands on a Super AMOLED Plus screen?
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FYI this is a paid app on the marketplace.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer&feature=search_result
algorhythm said:
FYI this is a paid app on the marketplace.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.beansoft.lcd_density_changer&feature=search_result
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Not anymore lol
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Try Go Contacts with has a Go Dialer included it is free.
I found the solution to my problem. It is call Go Contacts which has go dialer bundled with. Download on free application and get the second for free. You can't beat that deal!!!!
What is your opinion on LCD Density?
Has anybody try this program and what are your thoughts on it.
Its alright. I can do the same thing by editing the build.prop file that the app does, so no real reason except the interface. I'm at 190 right now. I like it there.
heathmcabee said:
Its alright. I can do the same thing by editing the build.prop file that the app does, so no real reason except the interface. I'm at 190 right now. I like it there.
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I have been on 100 LCD density threads and your the only other person to do 190. High five!
You must it is a cool interface.
Did you try Go Contacts as a fix for the dial pad? You can download it from the android market place.
not free. so idk
Reply i like this on 186
But there are a few problems like the corner has the time cut off and keyboard is now.smaller
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Looks nice but overheats and drains my battery
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not free. so idk
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I downloaded from the android market place for free yesterday. Besides that is not even the topic. I am sick of self righteous people getting off topic. If you paid for your program I want to hear about your experiences or if you got it for free I want to great about your experiences with LCD Density. Is the only thing you guys can talk about is did you pay for the software? Please don't look down on me because I choose to download the android market place for free and not pay for it and don't look down me for choosing to make it easier for people to download the software on this site by providing a link to the apk file.
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Hey all, I hate the Atrix's power button position.
Now, I love android, ever since I started with it a year and a half ago with the locked up Motorola Milestone that eventually gor ROMs.
Compared to my very modded and optimized Milestone, my new Atrix totally blows it out of the water, its much snappier and more responsive out of the box than my 1-month-to-optimize Milestone. I have no cope about it at all android-wise. I gotta say I did NOT like the default launcher, so I installed ADW (I wanted easy theming) but I had some problems not being able to move widgets, so I installed Launcher Pro Plus (which I paid for) and it works like a charm specially cool with the cube looped transition!
I even use motoBLUR widgets, I think that the speed dial ones are much more handsome than the default shortcuts and that also goes for the new calendar widget!
But hardware wise... well, first of all its all plasticy, so that's a minus for many persons, but that is fixable with a rubberized cover to change the feel of it. Even though I get a somewhat solid feel from it, I do not feel like I will break it all that easy, even though it's plastic. The screen is quite good, a big improvement from the Droid-Milestone's. It is even comparable to the Samsung Galaxy S IMO!! And a thing I truly miss is the dedicated camera button the Milestone has.
The only real cope that I have that I think may not be all that personal and could apply to more persons is the position of the unlock-power button. Now its a great position for swiping your fingerprints, but its a sort of hard to reach button and its not so easy to press it. It should've been placed on a side of the phone or they could've left that as a fingerprint reader AND put a proper power button.
All in all, compared to my previous iPhone 3G, Motorola Milestone and the Samsung Galaxy S and iPhone 4 that roam my house, I gotta say this Motorola Atrix is probably the BEST cellphone I have ever had and seen, and it will probably be that way for some time.
Saludos,
Gustavo
I'm glad you're happy with it. I used to have a Galaxy S which I hard bricked and I really feel it was faster on day to day use and had a much better screen. Anyway, just opinions, right
rawfa said:
I'm glad you're happy with it. I used to have a Galaxy S which I hard bricked and I really feel it was faster on day to day use and had a much better screen. Anyway, just opinions, right
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Your saying the galaxy s screen is better than the atrix? In what way? The atrix has higher resolutions
SuperDeform said:
Your saying the galaxy s screen is better than the atrix? In what way? The atrix has higher resolutions
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Far more vivid colors and true blacks, possibly? Not to mention it does a better job of actually displaying yellow...
But personally, I prefer the Atrix's resolution over the Captivate's colors.
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Your saying the galaxy s screen is better than the atrix? In what way? The atrix has higher resolutions
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I'll take the Atrix TFT screen for the battery life, but I'll easily take the SGS for the bigger desktop icons. Currently I'm messing around with the density settings to make them larger using RE, but can't find the right number that suits me yet...
Hey, I also came from a moddem Milestone (which I still have) to the Atrix.
I like the dedicated camera button as well.
As far as the screen goes, I like the size more but the Atrix has some serious gradient banding issues. Even on the Android Market - the Download or Install button. It is a gradient of light and dark grey , you can see the bands where the greys change shades.
The Milestone didn't have this kind of banding at all.
Using the GoChat app for facebook chat; the ,main screen goes from light blue to dark blue at the bottom and the banding there is very visible.
I didnt see any banding on my Milestone, just a smooth gradient
ccrows said:
I'll take the Atrix TFT screen for the battery life, but I'll easily take the SGS for the bigger desktop icons. Currently I'm messing around with the density settings to make them larger using RE, but can't find the right number that suits me yet...
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I found 260 or higher gives bigger icons
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Upgraded my iPhone 4 and got a Samsung Skyrocket. I love the screen constrast, but that's it. When reading the screen gives me the impression of being smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, if that's possible. I keep zooming in and out and side to side at every website I load. With the iPhone, bam, I was there, or two clicks away from the correct way to read something.
Love the phone, except the screen. I tried to tweak the density after rooting, but I can't fabricate pixels. Text looks coarse and it's hard to find a correct zoom size. Maybe it's a fonts issue?
Although I'm 41 I'm pretty good at reading small fonts, but the small fonts on the iPhone 4 screen were great, while on the Skyrocket it's a mess. I have to increase the zoon to a point where I'm scrolling websites left to right, which I hate. I could get full width on the iPhone 4 even reading forums (so I like to see the nick name on the left and other info, not only the post)...not so on the Skyrocket (before you think my eyes are a freak exception I must add that, OTOH, I am myopic, so far from perfect!)
So what I want from a review is this: will the Galaxy note and/or the Skyrocket HD give me the same crisp sense I got with the iPhone 4 when reading? That's all I care about when it comes to resolutions CRISP TEXT!
Thanks!
You can calculate the pixel density (dpi) yourself. iPhone 4 has the highest DPI due to its retina display nature (326 dpi). Galaxy Nexus is very close (316 dpi) IIRC. And GNote will be slightly lower due to larger screen. They all should be much better than the WVGA resolution on a 4.3" or 4.5" screen, e.g. GS2 or Skyrocket. So text readability should be better. BTW, iPhone 4 screen has the lowest contrast ratio among other phone screens.
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Upgraded my iPhone 4 and got a Samsung Skyrocket. I love the screen constrast, but that's it. When reading the screen gives me the impression of being smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, if that's possible. I keep zooming in and out and side to side at every website I load. With the iPhone, bam, I was there, or two clicks away from the correct way to read something.
Love the phone, except the screen. I tried to tweak the density after rooting, but I can't fabricate pixels. Text looks coarse and it's hard to find a correct zoom size. Maybe it's a fonts issue?
Although I'm 41 I'm pretty good at reading small fonts, but the small fonts on the iPhone 4 screen were great, while on the Skyrocket it's a mess. I have to increase the zoon to a point where I'm scrolling websites left to right, which I hate. I could get full width on the iPhone 4 even reading forums (so I like to see the nick name on the left and other info, not only the post)...not so on the Skyrocket (before you think my eyes are a freak exception I must add that, OTOH, I am myopic, so far from perfect!)
So what I want from a review is this: will the Galaxy note and/or the Skyrocket HD give me the same crisp sense I got with the iPhone 4 when reading? That's all I care about when it comes to resolutions CRISP TEXT!
Thanks!
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I can't comment on the Skyrocket HD and can't make a comparison to the iPhone 4, but the text on the Note is as clear and crisp as I've ever seen. I came from an Infuse and an GS2 and marvel every day at how much better the screen is. I still play with my GS2 on occasion but after using the Note for a month now I could never go back to it for daily use.
My desktop and laptop are gathering dust as I find myself using the Note more and more for browsing and reading online.
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If you are used to iPhone retina. Do not buy an SAMOLED display.
Its the worst kind of display ever made. Maybe look for a SAMOLED plus device. (But I do not like AMOLED in general. In this stage its just bad...)
But for sure not the old Pentile matrix. No matter how much you try, it will never look like an S-LCD, retina etc.
And no its not crisp. Nothing you were used to on iPhone.
I have both. Note and iPhone
(Also still Galaxy S)
You can pretty much google non biased pages about the SAMOLED technology explained.
And the SAMOLED HD is still a pentile matrix.
As I was getting it I was hoping due to its size I wont see the difference like I seen it on the SGS. But no.. Full page view my not possible due the fonts becoming not readable. Despite the advertising or ppl telling you how crisp it is.
Just go to a shop and try to browse a bit with it. And look on the small fonts.
Also memory effect and the "lines" on the SAMOLED is still a problem and more so seen on the Note.
I would not recommend this phone to ppl with "good" eyes (looking for sharp, smooth fonts) or coming from decent DPI displays.
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You can calculate the pixel density (dpi) yourself. iPhone 4 has the highest DPI due to its retina display nature (326 dpi). Galaxy Nexus is very close (316 dpi) IIRC. And GNote will be slightly lower due to larger screen. They all should be much better than the WVGA resolution on a 4.3" or 4.5" screen, e.g. GS2 or Skyrocket. So text readability should be better. BTW, iPhone 4 screen has the lowest contrast ratio among other phone screens.
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I think this is the best article for this http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1319022037
It has 315 ppi (pixels per inch), which is slightly lower than the Apple iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S, which has a pixel density of 326 ppi. One would imagine that this qualifies as a "Retina Display" (because it is over 300 ppi and viewed from 10-12 inches) but actually it does not.
Because we are talking about a Super AMOLED display and not a Super AMOLED Plus, the display is based on a so-called PenTile pixel structure, where pixels share subpixels.
And if you calculate the real pixel density you will find that the Galaxy Nexus is actually closer to a “real” ppi value of 200, which is just slightly higher than on the Galaxy S II (that uses a Super AMOLED Plus with RGB pixel structure). Some claim that a PenTile panel needs around 420 ppi to qualify as a Retina display and that is probably also the reason why Retina is nowhere to be found on the specs sheets of neither Galaxy Note nor Galaxy Nexus.
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Thanks all for the useful input. I was this close to buy one now on the Expansys website, but now I'm worried.
I sold my iP4 already, and I'm stuck with the Skyrocket for now. I would buy the Note and sell the skyrocket on ebay, but now I don't know.
Back to research. I wonder what store would sell the note here in the bay area (so that I can see one with my own eyes).
RipplingHurst said:
Upgraded my iPhone 4 and got a Samsung Skyrocket. I love the screen constrast, but that's it. When reading the screen gives me the impression of being smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, if that's possible. I keep zooming in and out and side to side at every website I load. With the iPhone, bam, I was there, or two clicks away from the correct way to read something.
Love the phone, except the screen. I tried to tweak the density after rooting, but I can't fabricate pixels. Text looks coarse and it's hard to find a correct zoom size. Maybe it's a fonts issue?
Although I'm 41 I'm pretty good at reading small fonts, but the small fonts on the iPhone 4 screen were great, while on the Skyrocket it's a mess. I have to increase the zoon to a point where I'm scrolling websites left to right, which I hate. I could get full width on the iPhone 4 even reading forums (so I like to see the nick name on the left and other info, not only the post)...not so on the Skyrocket (before you think my eyes are a freak exception I must add that, OTOH, I am myopic, so far from perfect!)
So what I want from a review is this: will the Galaxy note and/or the Skyrocket HD give me the same crisp sense I got with the iPhone 4 when reading? That's all I care about when it comes to resolutions CRISP TEXT!
Thanks!
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No, it is not as smooth as it is compared to the IP4, I can easily see the jagged edges/feathering on the text. Maybe you need to wait for an HD SAMOLED Plus.
Also if you care about the screen quality in all aspects you might find the HD SAMOLED lacking in quality control if you dont get lucky with the panel lottery.
Ok here is your answer:
My wife is also myopic she reads very small letters by simply removing her eye glasses.
So what I did is that on the Opera Mobile I went to the the XDA website and zoomed it All the way out so that the entire page was visible and handed my GNote to her to read it without zooming in,she could very easily read it since the letters were very crisp,please keep in mind that she uses an Iphone4 and in her opinion the reading experience is at least as good on the GNote as well,however you should know that the text in both stock browser and Dolphin are much larger even I can read it without zooming in.
Hope this helps.
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You guys make it seem horrible and unusable. I dont have the greatest eyes buy i can read pages witjout zooming. Small text is not as crisp as ip4 but not that far behind.
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intruda119 said:
You guys make it seem horrible and unusable. I dont have the greatest eyes buy i can read pages witjout zooming. Small text is not as crisp as ip4 but not that far behind.
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The OP is asking if its the "same" the answer is only yes or no and nothing in between.
From what I can tell nobody is making it sound like its unusable, infact you see more of the website on the Galaxy Note as compared to the IP4 due to the higher resolution but the crisp text feeling is not the same.
At least he only cares for text quality and is not concerned about brightness uniformity on whites or if they are pure or yellowish whites.
That is the worst example i've seen You can at least upload a screenshot with the full resolution. Don't use the S-Pen method, but do the swipe. That way you'll get the correct size.
And don't upload it with the XDA app. It compresses the image even more
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There's quite a bit of FUD here.
The size of the characters is a function of screen resolution, screen size and zoom level. The Galaxy Note has a resolution of 1280x800 which is similar to many 12" laptops, but is crammed into a 5.3" display. Hence text will appear tiny when a normal webpage is displayed at native resolution without any zoom.
Having said that, due to the screen size and resolution, it's very easy to view an entire webpage and zooming into a section you want to read is a matter of a couple of touches, just like an iPhone.
@RipplingHurst: Try alternate browsers like Opera, Dolphin, Firefox to compare how well the page reflows when zoomed in. I believe that is the real crux of your issue.
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There's quite a bit of FUD here.
The size of the characters is a function of screen resolution, screen size and zoom level. The Galaxy Note has a resolution of 1280x800 which is similar to many 12" laptops, but is crammed into a 5.3" display. Hence text will appear tiny when a normal webpage is displayed at native resolution without any zoom.
Having said that, due to the screen size and resolution, it's very easy to view an entire webpage and zooming into a section you want to read is a matter of a couple of touches, just like an iPhone.
@RipplingHurst: Try alternate browsers like Opera, Dolphin, Firefox to compare how well the page reflows when zoomed in. I believe that is the real crux of your issue.
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Sure, those 3 factors are what influence the size of the characters, but that's only one factor in legibility. The pentile display makes for a significantly worse reading experience, there's no two ways about it. Particularly in greyscale.
And as the previous replies stated, it all depends on what you're used to. I'm used to working on high-end IPS monitors, which probably makes it worse for me.
But I agree with you that no matter how good/bad the display is, the browser still makes the biggest difference. And on the iPhone, the browser is very, very good at zooming in.
I recently noticed that the stock Note browser (most likely on all Android stock browsers), it uses static dithering when you zoom in... which is just ridiculous when you consider the power it's got!
Very interesting points all. I should definitely try other browsers. i think playing with apps like lcd density is not productive to what im trying to accomplish. To the one who pointed how the wife reads well in the note being myopic like me, that really helped me and tilted me back to trading my skyrocket for the note. will see what happens.
i'm really used to read in bed with my phone very close to me, and I l'd like to quickly find a zooming that I like no matter what page. Apple stock browser is really good at zooming and deciding what to render together with text, as it was pointed above.
Now movies are not that important to me and I think the skyrocket does a much better job than the iPhone at that. Im sure I wouldn't be disapointed with the Note. I've read about the white tint and I can live with that, no problem.
But I really wish web browser had all the rendering power needed to display smooth text. For me that's the big deal about high resolutions in tiny screens.
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But I really wish web browser had all the rendering power needed to display smooth text. For me that's the big deal about high resolutions in tiny screens.
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Ok me trying again. Despite I wrote you all up. Even with the links and all.
If you want quality and smooth fonts especially the small ones. The PenTile is not physically able to do that. Just to some extent of size. Has really not much to do with the browser... that rendering can really do only this much when it comes to small letters.
If you take out the rendering and the browser out of the equation when it comes down to it the SAMOLED will loose against SLCD , or IPS or how they are all called.
I never said its unusable and sincerely there is no competition for that res and screen for the next 2 months I guess or more. If it was unusable I would already sell it. But I would rather wait for an LCD with that res phone.
Am I just telling you. You will see thats not smooth.
Especially now that many ppl told you. And you using the phone on your nose.
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Very interesting points all. I should definitely try other browsers. i think playing with apps like lcd density is not productive to what im trying to accomplish. To the one who pointed how the wife reads well in the note being myopic like me, that really helped me and tilted me back to trading my skyrocket for the note. will see what happens.
i'm really used to read in bed with my phone very close to me, and I l'd like to quickly find a zooming that I like no matter what page. Apple stock browser is really good at zooming and deciding what to render together with text, as it was pointed above.
Now movies are not that important to me and I think the skyrocket does a much better job than the iPhone at that. Im sure I wouldn't be disapointed with the Note. I've read about the white tint and I can live with that, no problem.
But I really wish web browser had all the rendering power needed to display smooth text. For me that's the big deal about high resolutions in tiny screens.
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It wold be better if you can try the device for your self and decide. Im very particular about the screen and i easily get bothered about the yellowish whites that my replacement screen has.. and in dont like to crack up the brightness when im in bed using my phone but thats personal preference.
Movies on the galaxy note is borked for now theres a thread about it and this is the major deal breaker for me and the source of my decision to get a refund.
The screen quality/technology is the major factor on how great your text will appear. The really high ppi the ip4 makes it hard to beat in text smoothness when zoomed out. But it doesnt mean the galaxy note is bad you just dont get that jagged free text or thst safari goodness in text reflow.
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It wold be better if you can try the device for your self and decide. Im very particular about the screen and i easily get bothered about the yellowish whites that my replacement screen has.. and in dont like to crack up the brightness when im in bed using my phone but thats personal preference.
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If it bothers you, maybe you should start a thread about these screen issues Earl... you might get a couple of replies
Seems like the guys answering here have broken Notes or something. I can easily read an unzoomed webpage even in portrait mode with good quality fonts. Supercurios screen app also changes the rendering of small fonts so try that. I've tried the ip4 extensively and much prefer my Note.
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RipplingHurst said:
Upgraded my iPhone 4 and got a Samsung Skyrocket. I love the screen constrast, but that's it. When reading the screen gives me the impression of being smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, if that's possible. I keep zooming in and out and side to side at every website I load. With the iPhone, bam, I was there, or two clicks away from the correct way to read something.
Love the phone, except the screen. I tried to tweak the density after rooting, but I can't fabricate pixels. Text looks coarse and it's hard to find a correct zoom size. Maybe it's a fonts issue?
Although I'm 41 I'm pretty good at reading small fonts, but the small fonts on the iPhone 4 screen were great, while on the Skyrocket it's a mess. I have to increase the zoon to a point where I'm scrolling websites left to right, which I hate. I could get full width on the iPhone 4 even reading forums (so I like to see the nick name on the left and other info, not only the post)...not so on the Skyrocket (before you think my eyes are a freak exception I must add that, OTOH, I am myopic, so far from perfect!)
So what I want from a review is this: will the Galaxy note and/or the Skyrocket HD give me the same crisp sense I got with the iPhone 4 when reading? That's all I care about when it comes to resolutions CRISP TEXT!
Thanks!
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The problem is with the goddamn font that comes with the Note.
Install Roboto and you'll be fine.
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Seems like the guys answering here have broken Notes or something. I can easily read an unzoomed webpage even in portrait mode with good quality fonts. Supercurios screen app also changes the rendering of small fonts so try that. I've tried the ip4 extensively and much prefer my Note.
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The problem is with the goddamn font that comes with the Note.
Install Roboto and you'll be fine.
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Guys, no one said you cant use the Note....
But the OP is in particular out for smoothness.
No font, rendering etc cant help the physical build of PenTile. Its the hardware thats bad or that I am not get crucified, lets say not perfect... (far from perfect )
Please read something about it before you jump to advices. Look closely to your display. You really had to be blind to not see that the fonts, object anything is not smooth.
The other faults of the SAMOLED that the OP will notice particularly on brown or grey background I wont even start to talk about .
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i'm really used to read in bed with my phone very close to me, and I l'd like to quickly find a zooming that I like no matter what page. .
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One of the great joys of the note is that due to its large screen you don't need to hold it so close... Even though the dpi is less than the iphone, the fact that you can hold it further away should make up for it.. If you showed the same amount of text on the note and the iphone, does anyone really say it reads easier on the iphone?
Why I love my Moto X even though I'm a spec lover.
1. Active Notifications - by far the best feature
2. Touchless Control - I'm using this more and more everyday.
3. Battery life
4. Small, compact and easy to hold.
5. X8 computing system. No lag whatsoever. Yes, smoother than my two other Snapdragon 600 phones.
6. Assembled in the US.
The phone is not perfect (camera, warm screen, 720 screen).
My other phones include S4 and LG Optimus Pro.
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I just bought the Moto Droid Maxx on Verizon. I've been using a GS4 and before that a Nexus 4.
I have to say, this phone is awesome. I'm loving active notifications, assist, and touchless control. They're changing the way that I use my phone.
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Why I love my Moto X even though I'm a spec lover.
1. Active Notifications - by far the best feature
2. Touchless Control - I'm using this more and more everyday.
3. Battery life
4. Small, compact and easy to hold.
5. X8 system. No lag whatsoever. Yes, smoother than my two other Snapdragon 600 phones.
6. Assembled in the US.
The phone is not perfect (camera, warm screen, 720 screen).
My other phones include S4 and LG Optimus Pro.
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a 4.7inch screen with an RGB matrix display with ppi above 300.. there is no way you would notice a difference compared to 1080p unless the screen technology itself is different. the resolution makes no difference and it just seems like such a petty thing to complain about. youre saving battery life. its the same way people who dont understand android think this phone sucks because its not quad core. lol.. you save battery and gain speed with the dualcore. its a lot more efficient. things like this will make it a hard phone to sell to the folks who like to brag about useless specs (aka the s3/s4 groupies)
warm screen can be adjusted with color multipliers and gamma settings
camera i really hope it sucks because of software like the first few batches of the htc one and not hardware related
The only time you can see a difference on the screen is when comparing Moto X to a 1080 screen side by side. The 720 screen is very good but not the best. I understand the decision behind the 720. As for it being warm, yes it can be changed but not out of the box like other phones (Samsung). For now, I'm stock with default settings.
I love the Moto X and highly recommend it.
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a 4.7inch screen with an RGB matrix display with ppi above 300.. there is no way you would notice a difference compared to 1080p unless the screen technology itself is different. the resolution makes no difference and it just seems like such a petty thing to complain about. youre saving battery life. its the same way people who dont understand android think this phone sucks because its not quad core. lol.. you save battery and gain speed with the dualcore. its a lot more efficient. things like this will make it a hard phone to sell to the folks who like to brag about useless specs (aka the s3/s4 groupies)
warm screen can be adjusted with color multipliers and gamma settings
camera i really hope it sucks because of software like the first few batches of the htc one and not hardware related
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I know people say that it's not noticeable. But it is. I have a Droid DNA 1080p. After using that, i can easily tell the difference. I even compared the same news article side by side. It's clearly more pleasurable to read on a 1080p screen than a 720p screen. That said, it could potentially be fixed with a font update as some of the font on the htc was thinner compared to the font on the moto x.
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a 4.7inch screen with an RGB matrix display with ppi above 300.. there is no way you would notice a difference compared to 1080p unless the screen technology itself is different. the resolution makes no difference and it just seems like such a petty thing to complain about. youre saving battery life. its the same way people who dont understand android think this phone sucks because its not quad core. lol.. you save battery and gain speed with the dualcore. its a lot more efficient. things like this will make it a hard phone to sell to the folks who like to brag about useless specs (aka the s3/s4 groupies)
warm screen can be adjusted with color multipliers and gamma settings
camera i really hope it sucks because of software like the first few batches of the htc one and not hardware related
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You need to use a 1080p screen cause the difference is definitely noticeable. Put the HTC one next to the moto x and get ready to be blown away.
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I used the Moto X in an AT&T store next to my One and honestly I did not have any complaints.
Too many people way overreact to things especially to screen resolution, 720p is still overkill in my opinion.
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I used the Moto X in an AT&T store next to my One and honestly I did not have any complaints.
Too many people way overreact to things especially to screen resolution, 720p is still overkill in my opinion.
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Nobody is saying that the moto X has a bad screen or that 720p isn't good, it is. But a 1080p is better, plain and simple.
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Nobody is saying that the moto X has a bad screen or that 720p isn't good, it is. But a 1080p is better, plain and simple.
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Better technically, sure.
But a deal breaker, it shouldn't be, for the spec whores, this isn't your phone anyway.,
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Better technically, sure.
But a deal breaker, it shouldn't be, for the spec whores, this isn't your phone anyway.,
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Not a deal breaker at all. Some folks claim that you can't tell the difference between a 1080p vs 720p which is completely false.
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Better technically, sure.
But a deal breaker, it shouldn't be, for the spec whores, this isn't your phone anyway.,
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It has nothing do with spec whores. It has everything to do with please your eye sight. If I personally can see a difference between 720p and 1080p then yes, its going to bother me. If its correctable thought some font/sorcery then we got something.
And why wouldn't you want the most important item (the screen) to be satisfying. But to each to their own.
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And why wouldn't you want the most important item (the screen) to be satisfying. But to each to their own.
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Because at the end of the day, it's still a HD screen with a PPI over 300 which is the supposed maximum amount a normal eye can notice.
I don't buy most people who say "Well I can see the difference" Not to discredit those of you who really might be able to but most are dead lying and I'm sure of it.
But as you said, to each their own.
anaphora68 said:
I just bought the Moto Droid Maxx on Verizon. I've been using a GS4 and before that a Nexus 4.
I have to say, this phone is awesome. I'm loving active notifications, assist, and touchless control. They're changing the way that I use my phone.
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I'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts on the Moto X vs the Moto Droid Maxx. From what I can gather, the Moto X has only three main benefits over the Maxx:
Moto maker customisation
Much better looking
A little bit cheaper
I'm not fussed about the customisation. It looking better and being a bit cheaper are nice but no way a deal breaker.
On the flip side, the Maxx as the following benefits:
Much bigger battery
Wireless charging
Larger screen (not that important for me)
In short, the benefits of the Moto X aren't that great for me. However, most of the benefits of the Maxx are massive bonuses for me.
With the main benefit of the Moto X being the customisation, I really don't know why people are choosing the Moto X over the Maxx especially with the following downsides to the customisation:
Not yet available
Will be carrier exclusive when it does start
Not all options will be available to start with (e.g. wood)
Some options will cost a premium (e.g. wood).
Moto Maxx just seems like the obvious choice.
Any thoughts or opinions?
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Moto Maxx just seems like the obvious choice.
Any thoughts or opinions?
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I think your points are valid. To me the design is the deciding factor. The Droid phones look ugly to me and will be greasy finger print magnets (case free living for me). As long as I get a full day of battery from the X then that is all I need.
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I think your points are valid. To me the design is the deciding factor. The Droid phones look ugly to me and will be greasy finger print magnets (case free living for me). As long as I get a full day of battery from the X then that is all I need.
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I agree. I'll grant the Maxx is not as big a fingerprint magnet as the Ultra, but I still find the Droid line to be boxy and butt ugly. Not something I'm interested in at all.
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I know people say that it's not noticeable. But it is. I have a Droid DNA 1080p. After using that, i can easily tell the difference. I even compared the same news article side by side. It's clearly more pleasurable to read on a 1080p screen than a 720p screen. That said, it could potentially be fixed with a font update as some of the font on the htc was thinner compared to the font on the moto x.
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You need to use a 1080p screen cause the difference is definitely noticeable. Put the HTC one next to the moto x and get ready to be blown away.
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The HTC One uses an LCD screen. Like I mentioned in my post, 720 vs 1080 on such a small screen makes absolutely no difference if the technology is the same. If Motorola used the exact same screen technology but used a 1080 resolution instead, it would hardly be noticeable and by hardly I mean BARELY unless you're staring at the screen close up in a completely dark room.
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The HTC One uses an LCD screen. Like I mentioned in my post, 720 vs 1080 on such a small screen makes absolutely no difference if the technology is the same. If Motorola used the exact same screen technology but used a 1080 resolution instead, it would hardly be noticeable and by hardly I mean BARELY unless you're staring at the screen close up in a completely dark room.
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I just compared it to a GS4. So that's Amoled vs Amoled.......yeah I can still tell. It's noticeable. I must have amazing eyes.
Pixel density is pixel density. And the magic number isn't 316 ppi, it's higher. Resolution is the same as a dead pixel, once you notice it's flaw. it's over.
I am looking right now at a Galaxy S3 306 PPI, and an HTC one .. ( Over 400 ), and whoever says the human eye can't distinguish the difference is downright blind, an idiot or has an agenda of some sort ..
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I am looking right now at a Galaxy S3 306 PPI, and an HTC one .. ( Over 400 ), and whoever says the human eye can't distinguish the difference is downright blind, an idiot or has an agenda of some sort ..
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Two completely different screen technologies. You are always going to notice the difference between an Amoled and an LCD, regardless of PPI count. Funny, most people mention PPI as if they've been counting it all their lives. Screens are personal preferences, and people have different eyesights and color sensitivities, so there's no right answer. Just accept that and move on.
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I am looking right now at a Galaxy S3 306 PPI, and an HTC one .. ( Over 400 ), and whoever says the human eye can't distinguish the difference is downright blind, an idiot or has an agenda of some sort ..
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They're just justifying things after the fact.
There is absolutely a difference. Granted, the X is better due to the lack of pentile, but I can still quite easily tell. It's not horrible in terms of pixel density, but the display isn't great by any other metric.