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Considering sending my Galaxy back, need some advices...

Hi there,
got my GalaxyS for 3 days now, and been owning a Desire for 2.5 months.
I was perfectly happy with my Desire, the reason I still ordered the Galaxy was because all the talks about S-Amoled got me really excited, and the larger screen was too tempting because I'm an avid reader.
After 3 days, I must admit my feelings are a little mixed:
On the one hand, the screen of Galaxy IS gorgeous, color/contrast/sunlight readability all top. And the more app storage (which pained me a lot on the Desire) is also extremely welcome.
But, on the other hand, there are still things Desire does better - to my dismay, the text display on the Galaxy seems to be worse than on Desire?! At same level of zoom, Galaxy displays the fonts more pixelated, but this is only visible when the font is small, many other people seem to share this sentiment.
And also, even the lowest brightness setting on the Galaxy is too bright for me in the dark?! I do a lot of reading at night in bed, the lowest setting on Desire has a tinted color, but doesn't hurt my eyes. Galaxy on the other hand, I can't really stare at it for long without my eyes tiring...
So right now I'm really a bit unsure... Is there any chance getting software solution to set the brightness lower than low?;-) Also, would the display quality of small fonts improve with newer system/software, whatever?
If not, then I'm afraid I'll just stick to my Desire and send the Galaxy back
Thanks for any thoughts!
Billy

Would never recommend an amoled screen to a person who likes to use the device as an e-book reader(until they get rid of the pentile submatrix). You should get a Droid or HD2 if you want a decent display.
The reason why the pixels appear larger on the SGS is simply because of the fact that they are.
If you found the Desire to better suit your needs then I'd recommend you go back to it.

Just curious, how does the iPhone 4 fair in term of text display? Not that I'm considering getting THAT

I would recommend to keep Samsung Galaxy S for phone and very mobile use and then to wait and buy Samsung TAPE for reading and other stuff.

n3p3nth3 said:
Just curious, how does the iPhone 4 fair in term of text display? Not that I'm considering getting THAT
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The iPhone 4 display is geared towards text, it has a high pixel density as a result of high-res/small screen size and a regular grid pixel layout.
The Samsung screen is more targeted to graphics & video with faster refresh, massive contrast, larger display, oh and its 16:9 wide screen too

Thanks guys for the info and advices, guess in the end I'll just toss a coin to decide

i personally like s-amoled for one reason
it doesn't consume as much power. it matters when your screen is 4.0 inches

Seems there is no 'perfect' phone...
I've been strongly expecting to purchase the SGS (Captivate actually). But I've also been interested in using it as a reader some.
I've been reading the posts about Pentile topics.
Also I really want a phone that will be very viewable in sunlight.
I've been thinking the new MOTO X may be nice...but then I'd have to change carriers.
[SIGH] [/SIGH]

ewingr said:
I've been strongly expecting to purchase the SGS (Captivate actually). But I've also been interested in using it as a reader some.
I've been reading the posts about Pentile topics.
Also I really want a phone that will be very viewable in sunlight.
I've been thinking the new MOTO X may be nice...but then I'd have to change carriers.
[SIGH] [/SIGH]
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The sgs is great to use in direct sunlight, even better than my hd2 was.
It also does pretty well when it comes to ebook reading as long as you don't zoom out too much(I'd only recommend it for light reading).

Worth waiting for or just get Atrix 4G?

I poked around for a thread like this, but couldn't find one directly answering my question, link me if I missed it. I'm on AT&T coming from the Blackberry Bold II (9700), which for all the crap BB gets, it served me well. Now, I want to move to an Android phone, and am due for an upgrade on July 26th. The things I'm looking for are speed, battery life, and build quality. I don't give a crap about cameras, ports, etc. (unless it doesn't have micro usb). My question is, should I jump on the Atrix 4G on the 26th or is it worth waiting around for the Galaxy SII to pop into the US? I know this seems like a vs thread, but I just wanted to know from users, if this phone is worth waiting for based on this criteria.

The newest version of software for the SGS2 was leaked a couple of days ago. A developer was digging around in the code and found settings for AT&T's LTE network and the unique logos that AT&T uses for 4G. They are supposed to be launching LTE in five cities this Summer and have no phones to support it. If you add it up, my guess is that you're probably looking at a maximum of 60 days. From what I've read about the Atrix it excels at nothing but doesn't suck at anything either. It has a Pentile display which drives some people nuts (Google it for more info). If I were in your position I'd wait.

i switched from atrix cuz of no neon support. Maybe you should search that.

Does NEON show what it claims to the average user? Although NEON support does seem like something I'd like my phone to support. Also, I've read mixed opinions about the Pentile display, I'll have to see it myself to tell if it bugs me.

I'm in the same boat. Been waiting for what seems like forever for an official SGS2 on AT&T announcement. Now, the atrix is only $49 at Best Buy with a 2 year contract extension. That, to go with the newly unlocked Atrix BL is starting to convince me to give up hope of the SGS2 appearing on AT&T any time soon...
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The newest version of software for the SGS2 was leaked a couple of days ago. A developer was digging around in the code and found settings for AT&T's LTE network and the unique logos that AT&T uses for 4G. They are supposed to be launching LTE in five cities this Summer and have no phones to support it. If you add it up, my guess is that you're probably looking at a maximum of 60 days. From what I've read about the Atrix it excels at nothing but doesn't suck at anything either. It has a Pentile display which drives some people nuts (Google it for more info). If I were in your position I'd wait.
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Do you have a link to this?
Edit: N/M, found it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1162330

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Do you have a link to this?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1162330
http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/05/19/att.lte.tests.prove.speed.up.to.spec/

i just bought a used Atrix and i have to say that screen is horrible, you can actually see the pixels in pictures and videos.
colors are not even smooth like if you looked at an image of the sky you can see pixels between the different shades of blue. you can see that also on skin color. the effect is just like old colored screen phones that had 64k color display only.
people blame the pentile screen but i've used other pentile screens and never seen something as bad as this. moto tries to hide that by using brushed or blurred wallpapers, i noticed it right away cause i had hd pictures on my sd card. i kept searching for answer cause something was not right i even thought my phone was faulty.
the only thing that might explain things was this.
it was written by decoyd in the motorola forum i quoted the text since i cant post links
Recently, I transcoded some of my media library to qHD (960x540) resolution and I kept noticing a lot of visual artifacts on the Atrix screen that were not there when played on a different screen. I understand that colors will often look different on different screens, and often things look different when images are squished onto a very small screen, but this was not the case. There were genuine changes to what was being rendered.
Further investigation led me to: nouvoyance If I'm not mistaken, this is the company responsible for our qHD pentile LCD screen. As explained on the above link, a typical LCD screen is broken down into red, green and blue subpixels in the following configuration:
RGBRGBRGBRGBRGB
RGBRGBRGBRGBRGB
RGBRGBRGBRGBRGB
In this configuration, a pixel is a 1x3 RGB cell of subpixels. The Nouvoyance pentile LCD, in contrast, is configured:
RGBWRGBWRGBWRGBW
BWRGBWRGBWRGBWRG
RGBWRGBWRGBWRGBW
BWRGBWRGBWRGBWRG
Now, here they offer a little double-speak wherein they explain that they do away with any one cluster of subpixels representing a single pixel. But to compute the 960x540 resolution for our screen, they end up counting either an RG pair of subpixels or a BW pair of subpixels as a pixel. They then offer the following example as justification as to why this is just as good.
To render alternating horizontal black and white lines in the RGB format, you would reder the following (I will use K to represent black)
RGBRGBRGBRGBRGBRGB White Line
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK Black Line
RGBRGBRGBRGBRGBRGB White Line
For alternating black and white vertical lines, you would render:
W K W K W K
RGBKKKRBGKKKRGBKKK
RGBKKKRBGKKKRGBKKK
RGBKKKRBGKKKRGBKKK
This can be accomplished on the pentile screen with the following configurations:
RGBWRGBWRGBWRGBW and RGKKRGKKRGKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK BWKKBWKKBWKK
RGBWRGBWRGBWRGBW RGKKRGKKRGKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK BWKKBWKKBWKK
This does infact render nice black and white horizontal and vertical lines, but these examples are really the exception to the rule. These examples rely on the fact that for any subpixel pair, RG or BW, the complementary pixels just so happen to be lit up in the directions of the lines. This will not happen in general. For example, in MS Paint, I generated two qHD images of alternating blue and yellow lines, both horizontal and vertical.
When displaying both images at full resolution on my Atrix, it's clear right away that something is amiss. I looked closely, using a 60X jewelers lupe, and for both images, the image displayed is exactly the same:
KKBKKKBKKKBKKKB
KKRGKKRGKKRGKK
KKBKKKBKKKBKKKB
KKRGKKRGKKRGKK
For the horizontal blue and yellow stripes, this is the "correct" configuration of pixels, although the overall picture looks poor because there are large blocks of black that breaks up the continuity of the horizontal lines. This is apparent without magnification. For the vertical stripes, the rendered image is all wrong. This is closer to what vertical black and white stripes should look like than blue and yellow. And this goes to the heart of the problem, there are numerous images that cannot be rendered at qHD resolution because either geometrically, the qHD display cannot light up the proper configuration, or to render the correct colors, the pixel must "borrow" subpixels from a neighbor thus disrupting accurate rendering of the adjacent pixel.
I tested a few other images, for example:
RGKBRGKBRGKB
KBRGKBRGKBRG
RGKBRGKBRGKB
KBRGKBRGKBRG
This tries to force the screen to render color-incompatible pixels next to one another. The screen "solves" this by reordering the subpixels.
What is stopping other manufacturers from playing the same sematics games and declaring that a pixel on an old RGB screen is now some pair of subpixels, and advertising a similarly overstated resolution. I understand that by including a white pixel, and then grouping by 4s, you would be penalizing yourself in the resolution when paired against RGB screens, but twisting around the definition of pixel is not the solution. In the end, the screen cannot render in qHD without introducing visual artifacts which are painfully obvious when watching videos or looking at pictures directly on the screen.
If I am misunderstanding something, please set me straight. How do you justify saying that the Atrix display is qHD? I understand these examples are somewhat contrived, but to me they show that, once again, the Atrix isn't quite what it was advertised to be.
I've included some basic images for people to see what I'm talking about, but you will need substantial magnification to see the individual subpixels clearly (although this does not mean you cannot see the agregate effects of the subpixel hanky-panky). Also, note that some lupes display the image reflected both horizontally and vertically so the ordering may appear reversed.
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Atrix is a horrible excuse for a dual core phone.
And if you even think about removing motoblur your phone will lag like crazy. Battery life is the only positive
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intruda119 said:
Atrix is a horrible excuse for a dual core phone.
And if you even think about removing motoblur your phone will lag like crazy. Battery life is the only positive
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS!
Motorola are a joke company living on borrowed time...
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aah i dont know why i didnt think of doing this before.
anyway, here is a link where the user decoyd claims that the atrix display only has 480x540 addressable pixels:
supportforums.motorola.com/message/389843#389843
i posted his analysis hoping maybe someone can confirm it since moto just ignored him :/

MYB87 said:
aah i dont know why i didnt think of doing this before.
anyway, here is a link where the user decoyd claims that the atrix display only has 480x540 addressable pixels:
supportforums.motorola.com/message/389843#389843
i posted his analysis hoping maybe someone can confirm it since moto just ignored him :/
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Moto ignore the consumer, its what they do best! Even the Droid 3 supposedly is gonna be shipped with a locked bootloader, joke!
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without neon support, you can't play h264 high profile clips which is most popular.
ie when downloaded a 720p clip from internet, atrix cant handle it if you dont convert via pc.

JupiterdroidXDA said:
Moto ignore the consumer, its what they do best! Even the Droid 3 supposedly is gonna be shipped with a locked bootloader, joke!
[email protected]
Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II
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The atrix has an unlocked bootloader now, as far as I know.

[Q] Screen improvement fix?

I have the Acer Iconia on a test run..........I am somewhat peeved by the screen being just a tad bit washed out. I mean, compared to Galaxy Tab or even Asus EEPad ( I also have them for testing !!!). But Iconia feels more solid, and its very responsive - a big plus !! So much faster than the Galaxy Tab.
Is there any custom fix for the screen.........like a kernel fix or something that improves gamma or something like that....
Thanks !

You can't compare A500's color with Transformer or Galaxy Tab 10.1, the Transformer is IPS screen while the Galaxy Tab is AMOLED screen, both are completely different technology from the A500... and as you found out, both of these technologies do offer nicer color than A500's TN technology.

ray1234 said:
You can't compare A500's color with Transformer or Galaxy Tab 10.1, the Transformer is IPS screen while the Galaxy Tab is AMOLED screen, both are completely different technology from the A500... and as you found out, both of these technologies do offer nicer color than A500's TN technology.
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Uh.. just because they're different technologies doesn't mean they can't be compared. In fact, it allows them to be compared.
Comparatively, the a500's screen is pretty weak. I think a simple saturation boost would help it quite a bit.
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Electrodeath0 said:
Uh.. just because they're different technologies doesn't mean they can't be compared. In fact, it allows them to be compared.
Comparatively, the a500's screen is pretty weak. I think a simple saturation boost would help it quite a bit.
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what I meant is IPS and AMOLED is known to produce richer colors than TN screen, that is a fact - so don't waste time to verify the facts, I haven't seen any TN screens that can beat IPS/AMOLED, no matter how you tweak it.

Nobody said it had to beat it, stop getting so defensive. We just want it to be better.
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Electrodeath0 said:
Nobody said it had to beat it, stop getting so defensive. We just want it to be better.
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I ain't defensive, it isn't my thread anyway.... I'm just saying you can't get it better if it's in the hardware, I just want to save your time looking into something impossible.

just a little input here. once chainfire 3d fully supports honeycomb/ics you may be able to write a plugin that adjusts the color saturation. i personally am waiting to adjust the color temperature as it is a bit cold.

gh123man said:
just a little input here. once chainfire 3d fully supports honeycomb/ics you may be able to write a plugin that adjusts the color saturation. i personally am waiting to adjust the color temperature as it is a bit cold.
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That would be great! Mine has a blue color cast as well, it'll be nice to get rid of that. Out of curiosity, why has chainfire 3d got anything to do with this? I don't recall chainfire 3d having any color adjustments?

Hate to burst bubbles, but the Galaxy Tab 10 does not at all have an OLED screen... it's an LCD... they have a 7 inch tablet coming out with Super AMOLED, but Samsung isn't even producing 10" OLED screens yet. It's just a much brighter, more colorful screen, but the colors almost seem unnaturally bright. I kinda like the more natural tones on my A500's screen.

ray1234 said:
That would be great! Mine has a blue color cast as well, it'll be nice to get rid of that. Out of curiosity, why has chainfire 3d got anything to do with this? I don't recall chainfire 3d having any color adjustments?
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cf3d has a day and night setting. the night setting allows you to adjust your color settings. if you lower blue you then bring up the color temperature
this is the only non cm7 way i know of to adjust your color settings cross rom

gh123man said:
cf3d has a day and night setting. the night setting allows you to adjust your color settings. if you lower blue you then bring up the color temperature
this is the only non cm7 way i know of to adjust your color settings cross rom
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ic, I haven't got the pro version of chainfire 3d, I think this setting is only available on pro version.

Galaxy note displaying small fonts? Crisp or not?

Upgraded my iPhone 4 and got a Samsung Skyrocket. I love the screen constrast, but that's it. When reading the screen gives me the impression of being smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, if that's possible. I keep zooming in and out and side to side at every website I load. With the iPhone, bam, I was there, or two clicks away from the correct way to read something.
Love the phone, except the screen. I tried to tweak the density after rooting, but I can't fabricate pixels. Text looks coarse and it's hard to find a correct zoom size. Maybe it's a fonts issue?
Although I'm 41 I'm pretty good at reading small fonts, but the small fonts on the iPhone 4 screen were great, while on the Skyrocket it's a mess. I have to increase the zoon to a point where I'm scrolling websites left to right, which I hate. I could get full width on the iPhone 4 even reading forums (so I like to see the nick name on the left and other info, not only the post)...not so on the Skyrocket (before you think my eyes are a freak exception I must add that, OTOH, I am myopic, so far from perfect!)
So what I want from a review is this: will the Galaxy note and/or the Skyrocket HD give me the same crisp sense I got with the iPhone 4 when reading? That's all I care about when it comes to resolutions CRISP TEXT!
Thanks!

You can calculate the pixel density (dpi) yourself. iPhone 4 has the highest DPI due to its retina display nature (326 dpi). Galaxy Nexus is very close (316 dpi) IIRC. And GNote will be slightly lower due to larger screen. They all should be much better than the WVGA resolution on a 4.3" or 4.5" screen, e.g. GS2 or Skyrocket. So text readability should be better. BTW, iPhone 4 screen has the lowest contrast ratio among other phone screens.

RipplingHurst said:
Upgraded my iPhone 4 and got a Samsung Skyrocket. I love the screen constrast, but that's it. When reading the screen gives me the impression of being smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, if that's possible. I keep zooming in and out and side to side at every website I load. With the iPhone, bam, I was there, or two clicks away from the correct way to read something.
Love the phone, except the screen. I tried to tweak the density after rooting, but I can't fabricate pixels. Text looks coarse and it's hard to find a correct zoom size. Maybe it's a fonts issue?
Although I'm 41 I'm pretty good at reading small fonts, but the small fonts on the iPhone 4 screen were great, while on the Skyrocket it's a mess. I have to increase the zoon to a point where I'm scrolling websites left to right, which I hate. I could get full width on the iPhone 4 even reading forums (so I like to see the nick name on the left and other info, not only the post)...not so on the Skyrocket (before you think my eyes are a freak exception I must add that, OTOH, I am myopic, so far from perfect!)
So what I want from a review is this: will the Galaxy note and/or the Skyrocket HD give me the same crisp sense I got with the iPhone 4 when reading? That's all I care about when it comes to resolutions CRISP TEXT!
Thanks!
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I can't comment on the Skyrocket HD and can't make a comparison to the iPhone 4, but the text on the Note is as clear and crisp as I've ever seen. I came from an Infuse and an GS2 and marvel every day at how much better the screen is. I still play with my GS2 on occasion but after using the Note for a month now I could never go back to it for daily use.
My desktop and laptop are gathering dust as I find myself using the Note more and more for browsing and reading online.
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If you are used to iPhone retina. Do not buy an SAMOLED display.
Its the worst kind of display ever made. Maybe look for a SAMOLED plus device. (But I do not like AMOLED in general. In this stage its just bad...)
But for sure not the old Pentile matrix. No matter how much you try, it will never look like an S-LCD, retina etc.
And no its not crisp. Nothing you were used to on iPhone.
I have both. Note and iPhone
(Also still Galaxy S)
You can pretty much google non biased pages about the SAMOLED technology explained.
And the SAMOLED HD is still a pentile matrix.
As I was getting it I was hoping due to its size I wont see the difference like I seen it on the SGS. But no.. Full page view my not possible due the fonts becoming not readable. Despite the advertising or ppl telling you how crisp it is.
Just go to a shop and try to browse a bit with it. And look on the small fonts.
Also memory effect and the "lines" on the SAMOLED is still a problem and more so seen on the Note.
I would not recommend this phone to ppl with "good" eyes (looking for sharp, smooth fonts) or coming from decent DPI displays.
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You can calculate the pixel density (dpi) yourself. iPhone 4 has the highest DPI due to its retina display nature (326 dpi). Galaxy Nexus is very close (316 dpi) IIRC. And GNote will be slightly lower due to larger screen. They all should be much better than the WVGA resolution on a 4.3" or 4.5" screen, e.g. GS2 or Skyrocket. So text readability should be better. BTW, iPhone 4 screen has the lowest contrast ratio among other phone screens.
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I think this is the best article for this http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1319022037
It has 315 ppi (pixels per inch), which is slightly lower than the Apple iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S, which has a pixel density of 326 ppi. One would imagine that this qualifies as a "Retina Display" (because it is over 300 ppi and viewed from 10-12 inches) but actually it does not.
Because we are talking about a Super AMOLED display and not a Super AMOLED Plus, the display is based on a so-called PenTile pixel structure, where pixels share subpixels.
And if you calculate the real pixel density you will find that the Galaxy Nexus is actually closer to a “real” ppi value of 200, which is just slightly higher than on the Galaxy S II (that uses a Super AMOLED Plus with RGB pixel structure). Some claim that a PenTile panel needs around 420 ppi to qualify as a Retina display and that is probably also the reason why Retina is nowhere to be found on the specs sheets of neither Galaxy Note nor Galaxy Nexus.
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Thanks all for the useful input. I was this close to buy one now on the Expansys website, but now I'm worried.
I sold my iP4 already, and I'm stuck with the Skyrocket for now. I would buy the Note and sell the skyrocket on ebay, but now I don't know.
Back to research. I wonder what store would sell the note here in the bay area (so that I can see one with my own eyes).

RipplingHurst said:
Upgraded my iPhone 4 and got a Samsung Skyrocket. I love the screen constrast, but that's it. When reading the screen gives me the impression of being smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, if that's possible. I keep zooming in and out and side to side at every website I load. With the iPhone, bam, I was there, or two clicks away from the correct way to read something.
Love the phone, except the screen. I tried to tweak the density after rooting, but I can't fabricate pixels. Text looks coarse and it's hard to find a correct zoom size. Maybe it's a fonts issue?
Although I'm 41 I'm pretty good at reading small fonts, but the small fonts on the iPhone 4 screen were great, while on the Skyrocket it's a mess. I have to increase the zoon to a point where I'm scrolling websites left to right, which I hate. I could get full width on the iPhone 4 even reading forums (so I like to see the nick name on the left and other info, not only the post)...not so on the Skyrocket (before you think my eyes are a freak exception I must add that, OTOH, I am myopic, so far from perfect!)
So what I want from a review is this: will the Galaxy note and/or the Skyrocket HD give me the same crisp sense I got with the iPhone 4 when reading? That's all I care about when it comes to resolutions CRISP TEXT!
Thanks!
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No, it is not as smooth as it is compared to the IP4, I can easily see the jagged edges/feathering on the text. Maybe you need to wait for an HD SAMOLED Plus.
Also if you care about the screen quality in all aspects you might find the HD SAMOLED lacking in quality control if you dont get lucky with the panel lottery.

Ok here is your answer:
My wife is also myopic she reads very small letters by simply removing her eye glasses.
So what I did is that on the Opera Mobile I went to the the XDA website and zoomed it All the way out so that the entire page was visible and handed my GNote to her to read it without zooming in,she could very easily read it since the letters were very crisp,please keep in mind that she uses an Iphone4 and in her opinion the reading experience is at least as good on the GNote as well,however you should know that the text in both stock browser and Dolphin are much larger even I can read it without zooming in.
Hope this helps.
Jack

You guys make it seem horrible and unusable. I dont have the greatest eyes buy i can read pages witjout zooming. Small text is not as crisp as ip4 but not that far behind.
GALAXY NOTE

intruda119 said:
You guys make it seem horrible and unusable. I dont have the greatest eyes buy i can read pages witjout zooming. Small text is not as crisp as ip4 but not that far behind.
GALAXY NOTE
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The OP is asking if its the "same" the answer is only yes or no and nothing in between.
From what I can tell nobody is making it sound like its unusable, infact you see more of the website on the Galaxy Note as compared to the IP4 due to the higher resolution but the crisp text feeling is not the same.
At least he only cares for text quality and is not concerned about brightness uniformity on whites or if they are pure or yellowish whites.

That is the worst example i've seen You can at least upload a screenshot with the full resolution. Don't use the S-Pen method, but do the swipe. That way you'll get the correct size.
And don't upload it with the XDA app. It compresses the image even more
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There's quite a bit of FUD here.
The size of the characters is a function of screen resolution, screen size and zoom level. The Galaxy Note has a resolution of 1280x800 which is similar to many 12" laptops, but is crammed into a 5.3" display. Hence text will appear tiny when a normal webpage is displayed at native resolution without any zoom.
Having said that, due to the screen size and resolution, it's very easy to view an entire webpage and zooming into a section you want to read is a matter of a couple of touches, just like an iPhone.
@RipplingHurst: Try alternate browsers like Opera, Dolphin, Firefox to compare how well the page reflows when zoomed in. I believe that is the real crux of your issue.

speedofheat said:
There's quite a bit of FUD here.
The size of the characters is a function of screen resolution, screen size and zoom level. The Galaxy Note has a resolution of 1280x800 which is similar to many 12" laptops, but is crammed into a 5.3" display. Hence text will appear tiny when a normal webpage is displayed at native resolution without any zoom.
Having said that, due to the screen size and resolution, it's very easy to view an entire webpage and zooming into a section you want to read is a matter of a couple of touches, just like an iPhone.
@RipplingHurst: Try alternate browsers like Opera, Dolphin, Firefox to compare how well the page reflows when zoomed in. I believe that is the real crux of your issue.
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Sure, those 3 factors are what influence the size of the characters, but that's only one factor in legibility. The pentile display makes for a significantly worse reading experience, there's no two ways about it. Particularly in greyscale.
And as the previous replies stated, it all depends on what you're used to. I'm used to working on high-end IPS monitors, which probably makes it worse for me.
But I agree with you that no matter how good/bad the display is, the browser still makes the biggest difference. And on the iPhone, the browser is very, very good at zooming in.
I recently noticed that the stock Note browser (most likely on all Android stock browsers), it uses static dithering when you zoom in... which is just ridiculous when you consider the power it's got!

Very interesting points all. I should definitely try other browsers. i think playing with apps like lcd density is not productive to what im trying to accomplish. To the one who pointed how the wife reads well in the note being myopic like me, that really helped me and tilted me back to trading my skyrocket for the note. will see what happens.
i'm really used to read in bed with my phone very close to me, and I l'd like to quickly find a zooming that I like no matter what page. Apple stock browser is really good at zooming and deciding what to render together with text, as it was pointed above.
Now movies are not that important to me and I think the skyrocket does a much better job than the iPhone at that. Im sure I wouldn't be disapointed with the Note. I've read about the white tint and I can live with that, no problem.
But I really wish web browser had all the rendering power needed to display smooth text. For me that's the big deal about high resolutions in tiny screens.

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But I really wish web browser had all the rendering power needed to display smooth text. For me that's the big deal about high resolutions in tiny screens.
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Ok me trying again. Despite I wrote you all up. Even with the links and all.
If you want quality and smooth fonts especially the small ones. The PenTile is not physically able to do that. Just to some extent of size. Has really not much to do with the browser... that rendering can really do only this much when it comes to small letters.
If you take out the rendering and the browser out of the equation when it comes down to it the SAMOLED will loose against SLCD , or IPS or how they are all called.
I never said its unusable and sincerely there is no competition for that res and screen for the next 2 months I guess or more. If it was unusable I would already sell it. But I would rather wait for an LCD with that res phone.
Am I just telling you. You will see thats not smooth.
Especially now that many ppl told you. And you using the phone on your nose.

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Very interesting points all. I should definitely try other browsers. i think playing with apps like lcd density is not productive to what im trying to accomplish. To the one who pointed how the wife reads well in the note being myopic like me, that really helped me and tilted me back to trading my skyrocket for the note. will see what happens.
i'm really used to read in bed with my phone very close to me, and I l'd like to quickly find a zooming that I like no matter what page. Apple stock browser is really good at zooming and deciding what to render together with text, as it was pointed above.
Now movies are not that important to me and I think the skyrocket does a much better job than the iPhone at that. Im sure I wouldn't be disapointed with the Note. I've read about the white tint and I can live with that, no problem.
But I really wish web browser had all the rendering power needed to display smooth text. For me that's the big deal about high resolutions in tiny screens.
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It wold be better if you can try the device for your self and decide. Im very particular about the screen and i easily get bothered about the yellowish whites that my replacement screen has.. and in dont like to crack up the brightness when im in bed using my phone but thats personal preference.
Movies on the galaxy note is borked for now theres a thread about it and this is the major deal breaker for me and the source of my decision to get a refund.
The screen quality/technology is the major factor on how great your text will appear. The really high ppi the ip4 makes it hard to beat in text smoothness when zoomed out. But it doesnt mean the galaxy note is bad you just dont get that jagged free text or thst safari goodness in text reflow.

EarlZ said:
It wold be better if you can try the device for your self and decide. Im very particular about the screen and i easily get bothered about the yellowish whites that my replacement screen has.. and in dont like to crack up the brightness when im in bed using my phone but thats personal preference.
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If it bothers you, maybe you should start a thread about these screen issues Earl... you might get a couple of replies

Seems like the guys answering here have broken Notes or something. I can easily read an unzoomed webpage even in portrait mode with good quality fonts. Supercurios screen app also changes the rendering of small fonts so try that. I've tried the ip4 extensively and much prefer my Note.
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RipplingHurst said:
Upgraded my iPhone 4 and got a Samsung Skyrocket. I love the screen constrast, but that's it. When reading the screen gives me the impression of being smaller than a 3.5" iPhone, if that's possible. I keep zooming in and out and side to side at every website I load. With the iPhone, bam, I was there, or two clicks away from the correct way to read something.
Love the phone, except the screen. I tried to tweak the density after rooting, but I can't fabricate pixels. Text looks coarse and it's hard to find a correct zoom size. Maybe it's a fonts issue?
Although I'm 41 I'm pretty good at reading small fonts, but the small fonts on the iPhone 4 screen were great, while on the Skyrocket it's a mess. I have to increase the zoon to a point where I'm scrolling websites left to right, which I hate. I could get full width on the iPhone 4 even reading forums (so I like to see the nick name on the left and other info, not only the post)...not so on the Skyrocket (before you think my eyes are a freak exception I must add that, OTOH, I am myopic, so far from perfect!)
So what I want from a review is this: will the Galaxy note and/or the Skyrocket HD give me the same crisp sense I got with the iPhone 4 when reading? That's all I care about when it comes to resolutions CRISP TEXT!
Thanks!
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The problem is with the goddamn font that comes with the Note.
Install Roboto and you'll be fine.
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Seems like the guys answering here have broken Notes or something. I can easily read an unzoomed webpage even in portrait mode with good quality fonts. Supercurios screen app also changes the rendering of small fonts so try that. I've tried the ip4 extensively and much prefer my Note.
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The problem is with the goddamn font that comes with the Note.
Install Roboto and you'll be fine.
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Guys, no one said you cant use the Note....
But the OP is in particular out for smoothness.
No font, rendering etc cant help the physical build of PenTile. Its the hardware thats bad or that I am not get crucified, lets say not perfect... (far from perfect )
Please read something about it before you jump to advices. Look closely to your display. You really had to be blind to not see that the fonts, object anything is not smooth.
The other faults of the SAMOLED that the OP will notice particularly on brown or grey background I wont even start to talk about .

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i'm really used to read in bed with my phone very close to me, and I l'd like to quickly find a zooming that I like no matter what page. .
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One of the great joys of the note is that due to its large screen you don't need to hold it so close... Even though the dpi is less than the iphone, the fact that you can hold it further away should make up for it.. If you showed the same amount of text on the note and the iphone, does anyone really say it reads easier on the iphone?

App for color calibration?

Hi!
im going to get the N10 in the next week and the first thing i will do because im a color junkie is a calibration test so se how close/far it is from
reference.
i have been into hardware calibration for displays for some years so i see myself as a pro.
i have X-Rite Display 3 Colorimeter and Chroma Pure calibration program.
http://www.chromapure.com/
the test patterns i use is from AVSHD709
http://www.avsforum.com/t/948496/avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration
i have already calibrated my LG Infinia LED TV to reference quality,so if only the right (ISF/CMS) settings is there i can calibrate any display to near reference quality.
but its all about the settings how much you can change.
so the question is:
is there a App that i can change the RGB values and saturation/hue also gamma settings?
or do i need to get a custom rom?
i know some custom roms for the SG2 has some screen/gamma adjustments in EX tweaks.
if its not i will still post the results from the calibration so you can check it out to see how good/bad calibrated the Nexus 10 is
Edit: i just found one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=745248
but i need this for the N10

Theres an app in the play store called Screen Adjuster that allows to change RGB, contrast, brightness but requires root. Been wanting to try it but I cant root my tablet as my pc wont recognize my tablet in fastboot.
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aznmode said:
Theres an app in the play store called Screen Adjuster that allows to change RGB, contrast, brightness but requires root. Been wanting to try it but I cant root my tablet as my pc wont recognize my tablet in fastboot.
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Just tried it out and it seemed to slow down the tablet.

404 ERROR said:
Just tried it out and it seemed to slow down the tablet.
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Try not to use contrast if you don't need it. That's what's slowed my galaxy s3 down
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Apps on the market only apply a filter on top of the screen. You're going to want a kernel with proper color calibration support to prevent performance loss.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/2
Here's anandtech's review of tablet displays.

vitaminxero said:
Apps on the market only apply a filter on top of the screen. You're going to want a kernel with proper color calibration support to prevent performance loss.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6472/ipad-4-late-2012-review/2
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thanks for the link
interesting
damn the Nexus 10 is WAY off in the Gamut Chart!
how the hell can they release a screen thats is so off?
surley needs some calibration there
fix a kernel with RGB adjustments and i will fix a calibration that is better than on the iPad4.
after that you can just copy the settings and BOOM you have a reference display.
(that is if the screens dont differ to much)
i have the tools and the Knowlegde to calibrate displays but zippo knowlegde in hacking kernels
so Kernel Experts
MAKE IT HAPPEND!
Edit: first thing you will start with is the grayscale
when the grayscale is right (whites is white and not blue) then automatic you have your 6500k color temp (6500kelvin is messured from daylight in california if someone wants to know)
Also the Gamut is adjusted in position.
so its easy
with a correct grayscale everything (almost) else becomes right on spot.
one setting that they dont test there is Gamma
gamma at 2.2 is important if you want to see all details in darker parts of movies or photos.
gamma is adjusted with all three sliders Red/Green/Blue locked
So what i need is RGB adjustments and Saturation/HUE adjustments if its possible
comon hackers
we must beat the iPad!

If you want to have ICC support in kernel you've to ask a kernel dev. But I don't think that someone will implement this feature. Because the majority of users doesn't know or care about correct colors.
As the test results of your linked page show the N10 reaches a "good" neutral in white, gray and black. But the contrast is very low and by calibrating and profiling it you'll reduce it more. You've to calibrate D65 at 120 - 140 cd and after this to write a correction profile especially for blue and violet tones.
Apple does such things because their customers want to have and need good colors. But I don't see a market for android users. Photoshop touch is crap and there is no other "real" graphics suite / app. Given gamut is okay for daily use, e.g. viewing movies and surfing around the web.
So, don't be disappointed if your wish to cailbrate and profile the N10 won't be possible at all. An google seems not to have plans for ICC support in android, see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/android-developers/Ifnsdbkqxqo

The only thing that really seems off is that it has very washed out purples. Its fine other than that. It strange as it can display blue and red just fine.
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If you want to have ICC support in kernel you've to ask a kernel dev. But I don't think that someone will implement this feature. Because the majority of users doesn't know or care about correct colors.[/url]
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Fortunately a lot of devs seems to think different seeing the amount of stuff they've coded that average Joe doesn't know or care about.
I for one would love to see the OP succeed as i see nothing wrong with getting better colour accuracy on my N10.

I personally really hope that a color calibration app/kernel becomes available.....devs PLEASE make it happen!! I like the punchy (albeit 'ficticious') colors of the amoLED display on my Galaxy Note....Please devs, give us the option to control/enhance the color of the Nexus 10's screen!

Another shout for some calibration tools on the nexus 10. All my main displays are calibrated & it's quite a shock to pick up my nexus 10 & the see the washed out colours

Indeed, the guy who mentioned the fact that the average Joe doesn't care about color reproduction is forgetting the fact that not a single one of us here is an average consumer, I also own an iPad 3 and I really loathe the washed out look on our display, the iPad looks very similar to the calibration I have on my Sony TV while the nexus looks almost like a color less gray when its put beside them, they all look like crap when you put them besides my SGS 2 though, all I really need to be completely happy with my Nexus would be a way to calibrate our screens, I have already pretty much given the iPad to my little sister but I hate to admit that the colors there look much much better than on the Nexus.
And by loathe I mean that I completely hate and despise it, such a great display ruined by the damn color calibration, the option should be built into Android for ****s sake.
PLEASE devs make it happen, color calibration seems to be an issue shared between all of the recent Nexus devices, for example, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one on the LG Optimus G (Or so I've read)

It's a shame Google are apathetic on this issue. Users that want do photo work are forced to go to Apple. Small OT aside: It's the same deal with audio creation apps/interfaces, Google doesn't care. I'd rather set my sites on Ubuntu.

Another vote for getting some kind of good calibration tool for the N10. I can put up with a lot, but the black levels are killing me. I would even put up with some loss of detail if I could get better black levels.

So... Guys, how can we contact Google to ask them to fix this themselves or do something so we can fix it ourselves?

Fidelator said:
So... Guys, how can we contact Google to ask them to fix this themselves or do something so we can fix it ourselves?
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i will search tomorrow
but isnt this a problem for samsung?

pg_ice said:
i will search tomorrow
but isnt this a problem for samsung?
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Nah, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one in the Optimus G and the screen on the 7 is kind of washed out from what I've read, and from past experience I've seen that Samsung tends to calibrate their screens pretty nice, (albeit a bit saturated) on factory settings across all devices.

Hope someone can sort out the black levels, watching movies the blacks look grey specially with Dark Knight! Tried all sorts of things but nowt helping!

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Fidelator said:
Nah, the screen on the Nexus 4 doesn't look as good as the one in the Optimus G and the screen on the 7 is kind of washed out from what I've read, and from past experience I've seen that Samsung tends to calibrate their screens pretty nice, (albeit a bit saturated) on factory settings across all devices.
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It's a shame for Google not calibrating any of their screens. Nexus 4 has those ugly washed colors, same with the nexus 10. And black levels, despite as many synthetic tests you will post (anandtech etc) are quite bad.
I'm so sure this is software... and 0 upgrades from Google. Its ok they will push next version of android as soon as avaliable, but nothing else, no OTAs for bug fixing. Any other brand would have already pushed several upgrades to new devices, bugs appear and samsung, htc etc gives you solutions (not always, but...)