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Hey,
I am developing for WM5 using C# ... is there any way that I can show my SIP keyboard but without the bar below it? I am running my App fullscreen and it just looks silly with the little bar below it... also it's a waste of real estate of the screen.
this is a pic of what I mean
Is there any reg key/COM usage/code/workarounds or anything I can do (not sticking something on the screen ) to hide this while showing the keyboard?
Mark
is this is an iphone keyboard??
i understand your pain. This is a design decision from Microsoft so that the user is able to switch on and off the keyboard at any time. But obviously they messed it up.
When I was trying I was not even able to draw something upon it to at least make it invisible. Anyway, if u are programming in C++ you could create your own SIP class. try this article from MSDN to help you out http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/02/10/370355.aspx
Hehe... yes it is indeed an iPhoney keyboard
I got it using the PCMKeyboard Here and then skinning it with this skin I actually found somewhere in xda dev forums
I have seen that link, that would allow me to create my own SIP keyboard and add it in... I like the iphone one and want to use it.. just without the stupid little icon. I'm happy to hack it off but ideally only when in my app... it'd be a bit annoying to lose it permanantly. I was thinking about some way to even force it offscreen... so it's "there" it's just not visible? ... might be a load of hassle as id'd have to catch the scrollbar everytime and only show it when the screen content was > screenheight + 20 px or something... but that might be an idea. Obviously I could write a keyboard controll but that's a lot of hassle to write and skin it.... unless there is already one in .net out there
Hope some xda dev genius can come up with a better solution though...
Resco Keyboard Pro also has iphone keyboard skin.
Yeah we work closely with Peter and the guys at resco with their mobile forms toolkit and co-design a lot of custom items... unfortunately that is just another SIP keyboard... so I would run into the same problem of hiding the evil little icon/toolbar.
There must be someone here who knows how to do this.. I mean I just watched videos of people proving they are smarter than HTC and writing OpenGL drivers for a phone!! lol... I might go and annoy a jr developer to make myself feel smart again as reading posts in this forum are no good for my ego
Not sure if there is anything in here for you. I can't see what your after, but I'll post it anyhow. You might be able to gleam something from it...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa182530.aspx
Ta
Dave
DaveShaw said:
Not sure if there is anything in here for you. I can't see what your after, but I'll post it anyhow. You might be able to gleam something from it...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa182530.aspx
Ta
Dave
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Hmm... nothing there, but thanks very much. I have created a menu bar and when I add more than 2 items to it the sip icon moves to the right hand side, so there is obviously something somewhere that can control this... if it is docked in that menu, I wonder if there is a way to hide the menu as opposed to removing it and possibly hide the sip thing too??! or the sip thing might exist "above" the bar and just appear to be on it....
Any more ideas would be very welcome!
Cheers for the help,
Mark
I'm no programmer so I can't help. But I remember when I was using PocketCM contacts (written by the tene who wrote PocketCM keyboards), during the sms screen the keyboard will popup but the little "evil" bar won't appear. You may want to ask tene how s/he achieved that.
wearefree said:
I'm no programmer so I can't help. But I remember when I was using PocketCM contacts (written by the tene who wrote PocketCM keyboards), during the sms screen the keyboard will popup but the little "evil" bar won't appear. You may want to ask tene how s/he achieved that.
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Ooh... cheers for that! I'll post on the PocketCM forum and see if I can get an idea.. or is he a member here?
Can't believe how much hassle such a small thing is... unfortunately my plan to push the form 25px lower to simply hide the bar doesnt seem to be working....
Mark
I just saw the thing about the Q&A thread ... so sorry for doing this... but in for a penny and all that...
I have seen here what looks like the code to hide the sip button.. but I am unsure how to call that in c# anyone able to help?
markmcgookin said:
I just saw the thing about the Q&A thread ... so sorry for doing this... but in for a penny and all that...
I have seen here what looks like the code to hide the sip button.. but I am unsure how to call that in c# anyone able to help?
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Im having a play, let me see what I find...
Dave
Cheers dave!
Much appreciated!
Heres a quick Port of what I need to do to show/hide the SIP.
Did you also spot the link to the C++ article at the bottom. (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/266244/EN-US/)
Ta
Dave
Dave,
Thanks for your help... that seems to just be the same as
this.InputPanel1.enabled = false;
and if you still click there it proceeds to appear. I really want the keyboard up.. but with no icon or space down there. (Tempted to say it's impossible just to spark peoples interest in a challenge! lol)
I have tried this and it's PERFECT for what I want... only in VB
So I am going to have a go at converting it to c# ... but we all know... this will never work... lol so I will keep you posted and put the solution up when I finish. (P.S - Please dont tell my boss I've spent all day on this... but you know what it's like when you come up against a problem that puzzles you!)
HORRAY!
We have success... this is based on the work from the link that the guys in the above post have done in VB... I won't lie I don't understand it 100% but I get most of it. I have ported it over to .cs and it works a treat!
the commented out line in the code is for me, I have a custom iphoney SIP with different dimensions in it. The project as is should work for the standard windows kb sip.
Thanks so much for all the contributions and help though!
solution is attached
markmcgookin said:
HORRAY!
We have success... this is based on the work from the link that the guys in the above post have done in VB... I won't lie I don't understand it 100% but I get most of it. I have ported it over to .cs and it works a treat!
the commented out line in the code is for me, I have a custom iphoney SIP with different dimensions in it. The project as is should work for the standard windows kb sip.
Thanks so much for all the contributions and help though!
solution is attached
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Grats Mark,
I was just looking at that code. What it does, is it gets the Handle of the Window of the SIP (keyboard and the bar your trying to hide) using Find Window, SipWndClass is the name of the SIP window.
And them moves them down, off the bottom of the screen.
Ta
Dave
I dont mean to bring up old threads but I just wanted to add a note for any one that stumbles across this on the intertubes(as i did). In fact, the sipbutton and sipkeyboard have different handles. To actually hide the sipbutton(and not just move the keyboard over top of it) you need to use the "MS_SIPBUTTON" class to get your handle instead of "SipWndClass".
i.e.
Code:
Dim h As IntPtr = FindWindow("MS_SIPBUTTON", Nothing)
MoveWindow(h, 0, Me.Height, 0, 0, False)
With Fingerkeyboard you have the option to simply not show the entire bar
Would it be possible to have this work only if your keyboard was in landscape position? I know Fingerkeyboard has this option but I would like to do the same thing with a different keyboard. Thanks in advance.
Oh wow.
I have been looking for this solution for a LONG TIME. I'd love to be able to have the same type of screen as using Pocket CM (keyboard at the bottom of the screen) in other programs, without losing the functionality of the screen buttons... like "Send" "Menu" in messaging.
In case others are also frustrated (as I was) with how to toggle open and closing the software keyboard in the WM 6.5.x builds, I thought I'd post this.
The solution is simple: imagine the icon is split in two halves, and the LEFT HALF will open and close the keyboard. The RIGHT HALF will open up the options menu.
It works every time! Nothing to do with a long press or short tap or anything like that -- it's all about where you press. IMHO, a long press for options and a short tap for toggle makes more sense, but that just doesn't work... yet, anyway.
In other words, the SIP icon works the same as it always did -- the new icon is very misleading in that you don't realize it is really "split" in two.
Thanks. Thats what I found in the newest 6.5.5 builds too (I have to admit I did think I was going crazy for a couple hours last week before I noticed what my big thumb was doing
Though, just to clarify, I do remember 6.5.1 (and maybe 6.5.3) having the long-press for options. Unless it was the version of ezSIP I was using... it was different on those builds.
you sir, are my savior
jsmith8858 said:
In other words, the SIP icon works the same as it always did -- the new icon is very misleading in that you don't realize it is really "split" in two.
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I agree ... When I first noticed this I almost thought it was a bug or an unfinished element ... I hope it's easy to skin the button.
Thank you
Now my WinMo 6.5.5 is perfect.Tahnk you for this realy useful info.
Thanks a lot there..
Very much appreciated.. !!
How do i get this feature? Do i have to install something?
Other than asthetics, is there any actual performance advantage to using a 6.5.x ROM?
The things I hear is that:
the 6.5 builds are more stable, particularly with Sense.
the 6.5.x builds are more finger friendly.
Since I've never tried one, can any 6.5.x die-hards tell me what it is that causes you to sacrifice said stability? Is it just the latest and greatest idea?
looking at the pace at which software and ROMS get updated i think part of it is having hte latest and greatest - it's almost a game who can get the latest sense packages or WM build.
From what i can see 6.5.x adds threaded view, bottom start bar and nicer bigger buttons. Aesthetics and button usability ARE important in a phone.
I also believe 24xx builds are the fastest.
However, you must realise sense will catchup. This is why many roms have a 2359/2400 tree as well as a 218x tree.
it appears from the forums that not everyone has horrendous 6.5.x stability issues though.
Thanks for the feedback.
Is 23540 the latest build we have Chefs using here on the forum? I have not found a later build, but maybe I missed it.
Anyone who has anything to share on this, I am curious and trying to decide if I want to take the plunge.
I'm using a 6.5.x rom (Evolution 1.3) and its stable and general I found its other apps that cause it to fail not the rom. I like it for the interface, much easier for one handed use and for a finger not stylus.
I did try another 6.5.x rom earlier and it was very unstable but I found I liked the interface. I used a 6.5 rom in the interim and it was very stable but really liked the more finger friendly 6.5.x rom style.
If you use a popular 6.5.x rom it will probably be okay but I would be a bit more careful with the newer chefs roms.
There is a lot of reasons I prefer 6.5.x over 6.5, finger friendly, thread e-mail, new UI, etc... Nonetheless it is a personal preference and you have to be in it so you can understand it. So you can seat on the side line and watch us play with it or you can just join the fun. At least if you try it, you will know what you are or not missing. And if you don't like it then you go back to side line again keep watching out of the window.
im one who really dont like 6.5.5...too big buttons who change the screen "wallpaper" space...and of course i dont like the big menu style...i dont know about stability cos i just tryed for some hour before flash another rom...i really dont understand why there are so many 6.5.5 roms compared to classical one
the asthetics are the reason why i HATE 6.5.x - the new start button looks out of place and ruins the spacing on the softkey bar...
looking at the builds i think it also takes up extra space on screen unecessarily. every pixel counts
I find 6.5 to be aesthetically good enough. I havent seen any ugliness - and everything seems finger friendly enough.
I will try 4354x build soon, but 218x seems ok. TBH I have a hard time seeing why people think WM6.5 brings the HD2 down so much.
It seems to sip battery atm even with a few addons, and seems impressively configurable - like Mio satnavs.
Caus HD2 has a large screen so 6.5.X look like easy too use (Push Button)
and Rom 6.5.X is also stable too.
You should try.
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
Laurentius26 said:
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
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I'm pretty sure (or assumed) that the total usable screen space is still the same eventually, because the 'thicker' softkeys/buttons at the bottom, are compensated by the 'thinner' taskbar at the top.
Laurentius26 said:
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
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Actually I think that the software buttons on the bottom are user friendy, for the following reasons:
1. you get your close button on the bottom so you don't have to "travel" all the way to the top to close an app. (ideal for one-hand usage)
2. for a large device like the hd2 i like it that the right soft-menu button is positioned closer to the center. It makes it more accessible for my rather small hands when I use it with one hand.
3. The large windows software button is in my opinion better than the tiny hardware button.
For the rest I agree with you.
Laurentius26 said:
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
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+1 on that, i know that this is the future but as long as htc will release an official 6.5.x rom i will stick with com2 roms. there are too many bugs mainly graphics ones related to the sense.
As others have stated, I'm one of those "Hate 6.5.5" people. Compared to the stable, classic 6.5, it just looks ugly-IMHO.
Hi Appelflap,
what about the Windows start menu hardware button at the bottum of the screen?
And if you want to go back the hardware Homebutton?
appelflap said:
Actually I think that the software buttons on the bottom are user friendy, for the following reasons:
1. you get your close button on the bottom so you don't have to "travel" all the way to the top to close an app. (ideal for one-hand usage)
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Edit; overlooked number 3 hihi, sorry.
Grtz Leo
appelflap said:
3. The large windows software button is in my opinion better than the tiny hardware button.
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Laurentius26 said:
Hi Appelflap,
what about the Windows start menu hardware button at the bottum of the screen?
And if you want to go back the hardware Homebutton?
Edit; overlooked number 3 hihi, sorry.
Grtz Leo
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Even more better than the button interface of wm 6.5.x is a gesture UI. I think this is going to have the future. But don't let me go off-topic here...
A gesture UI sounds interesting.
If you disable Sense from today isn't that what you mean Appelflap the WM6.5.x interface?
Now you are ON topic so go ahead.
appelflap said:
Even more better than the button interface of wm 6.5.x is a gesture UI. I think this is going to have the future. But don't let me go off-topic here...
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Laurentius26 said:
A gesture UI sounds interesting.
If you disable Sense from today isn't that what you mean Appelflap the WM6.5.x interface?
Now you are ON topic so go ahead.
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lol, no that's not what I meant. What I mean is a interface where you don't have to push any buttons but where you can just swipe your way around. For example instead of a back button, just swipe back.. Instead of a home button just swipe upwards etc. etc.
gesture based OS
Palm WebOS already does this - I have a HD2 and a Pre and gotta say, WebOS rocks so much. It's really so natural to use the gestures that when I switch back to my HD2 I almost have to forget/retrain the way I use my phone!
steviesteve78 said:
Palm WebOS already does this - I have a HD2 and a Pre and gotta say, WebOS rocks so much. It's really so natural to use the gestures that when I switch back to my HD2 I almost have to forget/retrain the way I use my phone!
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Hey, didn't know that the WebOS has that! Nice to know, i'm going to read a bit about it.
(BTW let's face it Palm is the inventor of this form-factor and they did a pretty good job with Grafity. I'm very curious what they are doing nowadays)
Hi, I've searched but I could possibly be using the wrong search terms.
Looking to change the text that displays in the banner where it would say AT&T 3G? I've seen it done just now can't find it.
Any help appreciated, thanks.
ccmxda said:
Hi, I've searched but I could possibly be using the wrong search terms.
Looking to change the text that displays in the banner where it would say AT&T 3G? I've seen it done just now can't find it.
Any help appreciated, thanks.
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Check out the screenshot below...see the custom title in the top left under the start menu, is that what you're talking about? If so, the attached cab is what you'll need to put your own custom title there...just install and run it, it's nothing but a simple text box where you can enter whatever you're heart desires
Does this work on Windows Mobile 6.5? On any service carrier?
develop1 said:
Does this work on Windows Mobile 6.5? On any service carrier?
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Yes, it's been used successfully on many different devices on many different carriers.
Thanks, that worked for the carrier name on the s2u2 lockscreen, but I guess Energy is doing something on the Today banner to override both the Personalizer and the Carrier.
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Thanks, that worked for the carrier name on the s2u2 lockscreen, but I guess Energy is doing something on the Today banner to override both the Personalizer and the Carrier.
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Gotcha, or is that Energy ROM 6.5.3? That may be the difference too....I know it works on 6.5, but I'm not sure about 6.5.3
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Gotcha, or is that Energy ROM 6.5.3? That may be the difference too....I know it works on 6.5, but I'm not sure about 6.5.3
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This worked for me on 6.5.3 Thanks!!!
Any chance you can share your slider icons?
Doinshots said:
This worked for me on 6.5.3 Thanks!!!
Any chance you can share your slider icons?
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They actually came as part of a theme, done by xda memeber s2w, you can find that theme on THIS page where he has a bunch, it's called "Dark Revised"
I have installed "Personalizer_3.1.cab" on my TP2 with orignal wm6.5 rom with sense 2.5...
But I can't finde shortcut named Personalizer in my Start Menu...
Can anyone tell med Step by Step what to do?
that screen shot you have
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Check out the screenshot below...see the custom title in the top left under the start menu, is that what you're talking about? If so, the attached cab is what you'll need to put your own custom title there...just install and run it, it's nothing but a simple text box where you can enter whatever you're heart desires
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wher can i find that for my tp2 I really like your tp2 screen
bigboy38 said:
wher can i find that for my tp2 I really like your tp2 screen
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Check out my post 2 above yours there... the look you're seeing is mostly due to a theme called "Dark Revised" by s2w, and it's available on that page I linked to along with several others he's done. The taskbar icons at the top are from Spike's popular MicNeo set, varient_V2 to be exact, I've attached the cab for that below.
If you are using the Energy Rom....
ccmxda said:
Thanks, that worked for the carrier name on the s2u2 lockscreen, but I guess Energy is doing something on the Today banner to override both the Personalizer and the Carrier.
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That is a feature you can edit on the energy Rom. If you are using the one with cookie home tabs, all you have to do is go to the cookie home tab editor and go to advanced, at the very bottom is a choice to change the text that appears in that area. Just click on that box, and it will open the editor to change that text.
Hope that helps.
Perfect, thanks!
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Perfect, thanks!
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Glad I could help, mate.
Is there any big difference between this versions of WM ?? in speed or something ... or its just one version and another version???
BoneMo said:
Is there any big difference between this versions of WM ?? in speed or something ... or its just one version and another version???
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good question! I'd realy like to see some head-to-head features comparison between the two.
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good question! I'd realy like to see some head-to-head features comparison between the two.
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6.5.x is a bit more finger friendly. better finger friendly menus and such.
The most noteable change is the start button is now at the bottom instead of teh top.
samsamuel said:
6.5.x is a bit more finger friendly. better finger friendly menus and such.
The most noteable change is the start button is now at the bottom instead of teh top.
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Is it all different??
heh, sorry can't tell you any more detail.I flashed to a 6.5.x rom about 6 hours after getting the phone so I barely used 6.5
i know about this graphic a finger friendly change..but its not a reason for changing from 6.5 ro 6.5.x... any table or something at any site. ??? i tried using google but i only found comparison between 6.1 and 6.5
WM 6.5.3 is faster than 6.5
Most of the new features are optical.
Newer Outlook with threaded emails in 6.5.x, you can shift icons in menu.
http://smartmania.mobilmania.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=18677
6.5.x:
- much more fingerfriendly through the whole system (just look at the contacts plugin *whooo* )
- improved memory management (I did not encounter any memory leak as in the old WM builds)
- the system feels more smooth and fast
- improved start menu (drag and drop to arrange folders and icons)
- much prettier (the black on grey square buttons are awesome)
- threaded E-Mail in Messaging
Petulinek said:
Newer Outlook with threaded emails in 6.5.x, you can shift icons in menu.
http://smartmania.mobilmania.cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=135&t=18677
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I LOLed on the post about "the more stripes u have the more adidas u have"