How to Toggle SIP in WM 6.5.x -- it's easy! - Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General

In case others are also frustrated (as I was) with how to toggle open and closing the software keyboard in the WM 6.5.x builds, I thought I'd post this.
The solution is simple: imagine the icon is split in two halves, and the LEFT HALF will open and close the keyboard. The RIGHT HALF will open up the options menu.
It works every time! Nothing to do with a long press or short tap or anything like that -- it's all about where you press. IMHO, a long press for options and a short tap for toggle makes more sense, but that just doesn't work... yet, anyway.
In other words, the SIP icon works the same as it always did -- the new icon is very misleading in that you don't realize it is really "split" in two.

Thanks. Thats what I found in the newest 6.5.5 builds too (I have to admit I did think I was going crazy for a couple hours last week before I noticed what my big thumb was doing
Though, just to clarify, I do remember 6.5.1 (and maybe 6.5.3) having the long-press for options. Unless it was the version of ezSIP I was using... it was different on those builds.

you sir, are my savior

jsmith8858 said:
In other words, the SIP icon works the same as it always did -- the new icon is very misleading in that you don't realize it is really "split" in two.
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I agree ... When I first noticed this I almost thought it was a bug or an unfinished element ... I hope it's easy to skin the button.

Thank you
Now my WinMo 6.5.5 is perfect.Tahnk you for this realy useful info.

Thanks a lot there..
Very much appreciated.. !!

How do i get this feature? Do i have to install something?

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New Applauncher idea

http://cre.ations.net/creation/dock
I was Digg'ing when I saw this little app. Can we do it so that it works on PPC and with any app and any launch icon (png preferably?)
The source code is in there... so this should be easy?
dferreira said:
http://cre.ations.net/creation/dock
I was Digg'ing when I saw this little app. Can we do it so that it works on PPC and with any app and any launch icon (png preferably?)
The source code is in there... so this should be easy?
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Nice !!!
Notice how fast it goes and no lagging
i wish someone can create a today plugin like this.. or a window based launcher.. i hate full screen apps..
it's possible to download it for my htc elf (wm06)
naillik said:
it's possible to download it for my htc elf (wm06)
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no, it won't work in any device except the iphone..
we are here to request some very good hearted and generous WM programmer to maybe find some time to create a similar application..
all other platforms are making very big leaps in terms of Menu Handling and Graphic User Interfaces.. these features makes or breaks a Platform's sales.. especially to those who are thinking of switching...
too bad Windows Mobile's base GUI is a decade behind the others..
so pleaaase.. pretty please? can someone look into making this? i may sound pathetic but if this is all i can do to make this slick launcher come to WM doorsteps and i'm willing to do more..
ytsejam_ said:
no, it won't work in any device except the iphone..
we are here to request some very good hearted and generous WM programmer to maybe find some time to create a similar application..
all other platforms are making very big leaps in terms of Menu Handling and Graphic User Interfaces.. these features makes or breaks a Platform's sales.. especially to those who are thinking of switching...
too bad Windows Mobile's base GUI is a decade behind the others..
so pleaaase.. pretty please? can someone look into making this? i may sound pathetic but if this is all i can do to make this slick launcher come to WM doorsteps and i'm willing to do more..
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On the other side, if it's just eyecandy, it's almost worthless.
I'm not convinced that this kind of GUI is really useful: one precise tap to move, maybe more, then on tap to launch. It appears to me that it's more efficient that one tap bring a menu, or like in PCM keyboard, one tap, 250ms later you can choose the right option.
tene said:
On the other side, if it's just eyecandy, it's almost worthless.
I'm not convinced that this kind of GUI is really useful: one precise tap to move, maybe more, then on tap to launch. It appears to me that it's more efficient that one tap bring a menu, or like in PCM keyboard, one tap, 250ms later you can choose the right option.
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yes that's what i am aiming at.. maybe we could have a launcher icon that when you tap and hold, brings up a new set of icons, etc.. IMHO this is better that having bunch of little non-appealing tabs to click on, then click again to launch an app..
also, this GUI is more than of a today screen material for it displays a lot of shortcuts in one line, meaning more space left on today screen real estate.. so if you have a lot of shortcuts on your today screen, you don't have to fill the entire screen with icons or reduce the icon size to fit em all.. don't we all hate scroll bars on our today screen? with this, all you need to do is do a horizontal scroll (or maybe move D-pad left or right) to focus the offscreen shortcuts.. far better than tabbed launchers IMHO.. besides, finger scrolling is now easy to do and common to most new Devices due to Touch based ROMS..
Have you seen the MRU (Most Recent Apps) plugin on our WM Smartphones? this is the same concept, except that it launches specific shortcuts instead of shuffled apps, and navigation is controlled by a swipe movement..
Menu-based Launcher already exists
If you want to press a button to bring up a menu of icons, that already exists. Check out WM5NewMenu by saman-cz (this forum). It started off as a shortcut to add a new appointment or contact, but evolved into a program launcher with some really neat capability like nested menus and shortcuts for speeddial. Doesn't have icons though, just shortcut name (prob keeps the memory smaller).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=255580
I'd still be interested in a horizontal scroller for frequently used apps to replace cLaunch on the today screen if anyone can take that on...
tene said:
On the other side, if it's just eyecandy, it's almost worthless.
I'm not convinced that this kind of GUI is really useful: one precise tap to move, maybe more, then on tap to launch. It appears to me that it's more efficient that one tap bring a menu, or like in PCM keyboard, one tap, 250ms later you can choose the right option.
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Tene I think your PocketCM is the general idea, instead of contact list and vertical scrolling you could make it shortcut list and horizontal scrolling.
Hello,
I lwould like to have an AppLauncher similar to the MacOSX bar.
in bottom U have small icons, if U are hove on one it becomes bigger and on releasing it, a Menu slides in the screen.
Im already trying to code such an app, in native C++.
But for a first Release ( just showing the GUI ) it' ll takes still a little time.
I have not so much in moment ( studying?!, moving into another house... ), also its my first Programm using the winapi....
So wish me luck....

(found) Cascaded programs-only menu

(edit) Quickmenu in english is out !
Hola amigos, since I don't use wisbar anymore I'd love to find such a launcher.
I want cascaded, direct access to the (initially submenu) programs list
I don't need to have recent apps or settings (builtin start menu already does the job quite well).
Cubes are useless to me (too slow, uncomplete lists, don't use the contacts fav. page)
Do you know something like that, or is it still to develop ?
Would you like it as well ?
And at last, does someone know how to make a shortcut that launch builtin start menu ?
Thanks for reading !
SmallMenu seems to be the perfect candidate for you. the start menu that SmallMenu uses is customizable, so you can take out the Recent Programs and Settings as you wish, as well as adding other items such as Running Tasks or Task Management Tools, among other things.
or WisBar Lite.
Thanks for your answers, I just tried both of them:
Wisbar lite is too slow at scrolling application list and can't directly display programs (one need to open the programs submenu).
SmallMenu is really cool. It's uglish, but it does its job well.
I may write another launcher to fit exactly what I need with a better look.
Meanwhile, thank you for the hint !
So, what you want is a pretty SmallMenu? How pretty you want it to be? I mean.. er.. care for a photoshopped of what you are having in mind?
Ok, I just played a bit more with SmallMenu & it's almost perfect.
Actually, I'm member of the Ban-The-Stylus association
Above all I want bigger buttons (I should have mentionned it before), for easy thumb operation.
Also a better look would be nice.
So I need a bigger font (that looks better), separators between each row and a gradient background for each row as well.
The ability to have running tasks displayed in a submenu is also great, and so would be the closing icon if it was, once more, bigger.
Or much better, if we could close the application with tap 'n hold !
I'd be glad to purchase if that wishlist is fulfilled, the problem is, I can't even find a Contact link on their homepage, while the development seems active. Weird.
Do you have an idea how to contact them ?
Small menu is great and all. But isnt there any program out there that can cascade the start menu and dosent give you all the extra stuff thats in small menu and wisebar lite?
I just want a program that cascades the start menu. no task manger, no soft reset, no battery meter and so on....
KidGixxer said:
Small menu is great and all. But isnt there any program out there that can cascade the start menu and dosent give you all the extra stuff thats in small menu ?
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You can disable them. I don't think your concern is about 20/30kb storage space ?
I've been using SmallMenuPlus for a few months and find it too useful to be without. Organize your programs into like directories and it's too easy.
With it being an execute file you can link it to a hard button, cube, shortcut or even a FTouchFlo launch swipe
Now I have no use for the default WM Start bar except to get into Settings (SmallMenu seems to forget where this is on every S/R).
I have no problem navigating and selecting with my thumb, although slightly larger icons wouldn't be rejected.
Taping the small icon in the top left corner can be hit-and-miss sometimes so I made my own larger one and select it with the 'Use external skin for start button' option. This way I can't miss it but still leave a little room to get the default Start bar if I need to. Make your icon 25 high and any width, mine is 42x25.
No one is aware how to contact Small Menu authors ?
Do we get an email address to contact them when we register ?
I'd like to see if they can do something about my requests before I register.... but no forum, no contact form, no email, too bad
alternatively you could try psw indibar 2.7.0 for cascading menus, (have tried the lot and to me, this one's the keeper), and it tops up by giving ram and or battery meters on the top bar, or anywhere you want.
Customization is a pain in the beginning, but once done you;ll be happy
www.apoxsoft.com
lastnikita said:
No one is aware how to contact Small Menu authors ?
Do we get an email address to contact them when we register ?
I'd like to see if they can do something about my requests before I register.... but no forum, no contact form, no email, too bad
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Try [email protected]
how about "quick menu"... a totally free cascading menu supporting today themes without handicaping the original today menu....the only problem is...only simplified chinese version is available....
http://www.yonsm.net/read.php?358&page=6
note: the latest version is 2.7 which was released on 22/10
by the way, this is his email address: [email protected] egg on him to release an english version if you like quick menu as i do^^
Thanks a lot for both suggestion and contact link, I'll give them a try later tonight !
I have sent a mail to that guy. His other software is in english so I think we have a chance.
iiiox said:
how about "quick menu"... a totally free cascading menu supporting today themes without handicaping the original today menu....the only problem is...only simplified chinese version is available....
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I'm giving up on trying it, too lazy ^^
Does it support font customization (size) ?
Lastnikita,
This is something I am very interested in, if that gives you any motivation.
I too used to use Wisbar but it was far too hit and miss for my liking. Sometimes it would load in, sometimes not. It all depended on teh theme in use at the time as it was sensitive to some, not sensitive to others. In the end I pulled it.
Will keep a watching brief on this thread to see how you get on.
Cheers
WB
iiiox said:
how about "quick menu"... a totally free cascading menu supporting today themes without handicaping the original today menu....the only problem is...only simplified chinese version is available....
http://www.yonsm.net/read.php?358&page=6
note: the latest version is 2.7 which was released on 22/10
by the way, this is his email address: [email protected] egg on him to release an english version if you like quick menu as i do^^
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Oh yea this program rocks. I searched around for QuickMenu 2.6. from what i found out, he is working on an english version but having problems.
wacky.banana said:
I too used to use Wisbar but it was far too hit and miss for my liking. Sometimes it would load in, sometimes not. It all depended on teh theme in use at the time as it was sensitive to some, not sensitive to others. In the end I pulled it.
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Not to sound like a commercial but if plain old vanilla cascading start menu is what you want then why not use WA3 with the default theme which looks pretty much like the WM6 default and disable all the bells and whistles?
I've never heard of a case where the default theme wouldn't load -- it was usually the fancy aftermarket themes that added all of the extra graphics and sounds that caused the loading problems.
can't you just use wm5newmenu?

Bottom start menu and Ok button for WM6.5

I would like to ask what the name of this application?
Thanks.
what do you mean?
It is windows phone 6.5.1 's feature .
hi,
Please see the attached screenshot, in red box.
thanks.
look answer upper.
wm6.5.1 OS feature
Like thangkls said, it's simply a feature of newer builds of WM 6.5.
thank you very much for your replies.
Any chance this can be disabled? I for one really hate it. On QVGA with my fat fingers it's annoying. Also, it seems to have arguements with my preferred task switcher/manager.
fwp said:
Any chance this can be disabled? I for one really hate it. On QVGA with my fat fingers it's annoying. Also, it seems to have arguements with my preferred task switcher/manager.
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Use a Com2 Build. It cannot be disabled.

So many 6.5.x die-hard fans... tell me why?

Other than asthetics, is there any actual performance advantage to using a 6.5.x ROM?
The things I hear is that:
the 6.5 builds are more stable, particularly with Sense.
the 6.5.x builds are more finger friendly.
Since I've never tried one, can any 6.5.x die-hards tell me what it is that causes you to sacrifice said stability? Is it just the latest and greatest idea?
looking at the pace at which software and ROMS get updated i think part of it is having hte latest and greatest - it's almost a game who can get the latest sense packages or WM build.
From what i can see 6.5.x adds threaded view, bottom start bar and nicer bigger buttons. Aesthetics and button usability ARE important in a phone.
I also believe 24xx builds are the fastest.
However, you must realise sense will catchup. This is why many roms have a 2359/2400 tree as well as a 218x tree.
it appears from the forums that not everyone has horrendous 6.5.x stability issues though.
Thanks for the feedback.
Is 23540 the latest build we have Chefs using here on the forum? I have not found a later build, but maybe I missed it.
Anyone who has anything to share on this, I am curious and trying to decide if I want to take the plunge.
I'm using a 6.5.x rom (Evolution 1.3) and its stable and general I found its other apps that cause it to fail not the rom. I like it for the interface, much easier for one handed use and for a finger not stylus.
I did try another 6.5.x rom earlier and it was very unstable but I found I liked the interface. I used a 6.5 rom in the interim and it was very stable but really liked the more finger friendly 6.5.x rom style.
If you use a popular 6.5.x rom it will probably be okay but I would be a bit more careful with the newer chefs roms.
There is a lot of reasons I prefer 6.5.x over 6.5, finger friendly, thread e-mail, new UI, etc... Nonetheless it is a personal preference and you have to be in it so you can understand it. So you can seat on the side line and watch us play with it or you can just join the fun. At least if you try it, you will know what you are or not missing. And if you don't like it then you go back to side line again keep watching out of the window.
im one who really dont like 6.5.5...too big buttons who change the screen "wallpaper" space...and of course i dont like the big menu style...i dont know about stability cos i just tryed for some hour before flash another rom...i really dont understand why there are so many 6.5.5 roms compared to classical one
the asthetics are the reason why i HATE 6.5.x - the new start button looks out of place and ruins the spacing on the softkey bar...
looking at the builds i think it also takes up extra space on screen unecessarily. every pixel counts
I find 6.5 to be aesthetically good enough. I havent seen any ugliness - and everything seems finger friendly enough.
I will try 4354x build soon, but 218x seems ok. TBH I have a hard time seeing why people think WM6.5 brings the HD2 down so much.
It seems to sip battery atm even with a few addons, and seems impressively configurable - like Mio satnavs.
Caus HD2 has a large screen so 6.5.X look like easy too use (Push Button)
and Rom 6.5.X is also stable too.
You should try.
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
Laurentius26 said:
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
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I'm pretty sure (or assumed) that the total usable screen space is still the same eventually, because the 'thicker' softkeys/buttons at the bottom, are compensated by the 'thinner' taskbar at the top.
Laurentius26 said:
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
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Actually I think that the software buttons on the bottom are user friendy, for the following reasons:
1. you get your close button on the bottom so you don't have to "travel" all the way to the top to close an app. (ideal for one-hand usage)
2. for a large device like the hd2 i like it that the right soft-menu button is positioned closer to the center. It makes it more accessible for my rather small hands when I use it with one hand.
3. The large windows software button is in my opinion better than the tiny hardware button.
For the rest I agree with you.
Laurentius26 said:
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
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+1 on that, i know that this is the future but as long as htc will release an official 6.5.x rom i will stick with com2 roms. there are too many bugs mainly graphics ones related to the sense.
As others have stated, I'm one of those "Hate 6.5.5" people. Compared to the stable, classic 6.5, it just looks ugly-IMHO.
Hi Appelflap,
what about the Windows start menu hardware button at the bottum of the screen?
And if you want to go back the hardware Homebutton?
appelflap said:
Actually I think that the software buttons on the bottom are user friendy, for the following reasons:
1. you get your close button on the bottom so you don't have to "travel" all the way to the top to close an app. (ideal for one-hand usage)
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Edit; overlooked number 3 hihi, sorry.
Grtz Leo
appelflap said:
3. The large windows software button is in my opinion better than the tiny hardware button.
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Laurentius26 said:
Hi Appelflap,
what about the Windows start menu hardware button at the bottum of the screen?
And if you want to go back the hardware Homebutton?
Edit; overlooked number 3 hihi, sorry.
Grtz Leo
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Even more better than the button interface of wm 6.5.x is a gesture UI. I think this is going to have the future. But don't let me go off-topic here...
A gesture UI sounds interesting.
If you disable Sense from today isn't that what you mean Appelflap the WM6.5.x interface?
Now you are ON topic so go ahead.
appelflap said:
Even more better than the button interface of wm 6.5.x is a gesture UI. I think this is going to have the future. But don't let me go off-topic here...
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Laurentius26 said:
A gesture UI sounds interesting.
If you disable Sense from today isn't that what you mean Appelflap the WM6.5.x interface?
Now you are ON topic so go ahead.
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lol, no that's not what I meant. What I mean is a interface where you don't have to push any buttons but where you can just swipe your way around. For example instead of a back button, just swipe back.. Instead of a home button just swipe upwards etc. etc.
gesture based OS
Palm WebOS already does this - I have a HD2 and a Pre and gotta say, WebOS rocks so much. It's really so natural to use the gestures that when I switch back to my HD2 I almost have to forget/retrain the way I use my phone!
steviesteve78 said:
Palm WebOS already does this - I have a HD2 and a Pre and gotta say, WebOS rocks so much. It's really so natural to use the gestures that when I switch back to my HD2 I almost have to forget/retrain the way I use my phone!
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Hey, didn't know that the WebOS has that! Nice to know, i'm going to read a bit about it.
(BTW let's face it Palm is the inventor of this form-factor and they did a pretty good job with Grafity. I'm very curious what they are doing nowadays)

(REALLY) close apps on wm 6.5.x with stock X-button?

hello! i hope i'm the first who opened a thread about this:
i don't want to use a taskmanager at top right because there already exists a X-button at the bottom right. but when i use this button, the tasks just run in background and won't close completely... my question is now:
is there any taskmanager for wm 6.5.x which integrates in the bottom taskbar to fully close tasks with the stock X-button? or is there maybe a tweak like bsb where i can change this setting?
thx in advance!
fruchtfliege said:
hello! i hope i'm the first who opened a thread about this:
i don't want to use a taskmanager at top right because there already exists a X-button at the bottom right. but when i use this button, the tasks just run in background and won't close completely... my question is now:
is there any taskmanager for wm 6.5.x which integrates in the bottom taskbar to fully close tasks with the stock X-button? or is there maybe a tweak like bsb where i can change this setting?
thx in advance!
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AMeBa can do this, and more. (make sure you install all three cabs that are attached to the first post)
Happy closing
In HTC Task Manager (V. 2.1 Build 1918.3631), there is the option of "Enable the"X" button to end running programs" either by tapping "X" or tapping + holding "X". Not sure whether this works on ALL programs though.
byronlee said:
In HTC Task Manager (V. 2.1 Build 1918.3631), there is the option of "Enable the"X" button to end running programs" either by tapping "X" or tapping + holding "X". Not sure whether this works on ALL programs though.
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Unfortunately that task manager doesn't run on windows mobile 6.5.x (bottom-bar WM) .
This one does. It doesn't close application by tapping on the x button, but by tap-and-hold the clock in the new windows mobile version.
XTask DO the job !!!
I'm using Xtask, especially XHook.exe, to close all my apps, and it works like a charm.
No installation, it's only an exe, run as service after each reset, do no eat memory.
I've remapped my Close/OK button to XHook.exe (with AEButtonPlus), and now I REALLY close apps.
thank you for your replies. i already discovered xtask and it works fine!
Maybe, it's better set to 'OK Key' (in AE Button plus) command 'Close active application'
I like everything about this ROM and plan to upgrade from the Sept 3rd to Oct 3rd this weekend.
I would like to know about the zoombar and scrolling thru messages from the main screen.
On other builds, I could do this if i was at msg 15, zoombar back to 1 real quick instead of flick flick flick.
Can you maybe fix this and cook into your final copy.
I dont know how many people dont use ms voice command as its one of the first to load for my bt headset and hearing messaging in my ear.
Maybe the concensus could be to cook or not cook it in.
Everything else works beautiful compared to other ROM's i have tried and I also commend you on your work.
I will be changing the battery icon myself as its very hard to read the percentage at a glance.
Thank you for all you do.
andersondb1 said:
I like everything about this ROM and plan to upgrade from the Sept 3rd to Oct 3rd this weekend.
I would like to know about the zoombar and scrolling thru messages from the main screen.
On other builds, I could do this if i was at msg 15, zoombar back to 1 real quick instead of flick flick flick.
Can you maybe fix this and cook into your final copy.
I dont know how many people dont use ms voice command as its one of the first to load for my bt headset and hearing messaging in my ear.
Maybe the concensus could be to cook or not cook it in.
Everything else works beautiful compared to other ROM's i have tried and I also commend you on your work.
I will be changing the battery icon myself as its very hard to read the percentage at a glance.
Thank you for all you do.
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huh?
well i see you wrote thank you, so you're welcome
ASCIIker said:
huh?
well i see you wrote thank you, so you're welcome
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If you could read, you would see that I am asking about the zoombar function to be fixed.
Also I would like to use VLingo but it requires a dedicated button to set during configuration and the PPT is not there under the settings/personal/buttons.
I mapped the button using the Ameba settings to Voice command but Vlingo still doesnt work.

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