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Better browser for 6.1? Or customizer for 6.5?

For the past day or so I've been playing with different 6.1 and 6.5 roms for my titan (Verizon xv6800), trying to decide which to go with. The two contenders seem to be DCD 4.1.2 (WM 6.1) with HTC Home and its customizer, and the new bbsandkm WM 6.5 build.
So far, 6.1 seems to be the winner for reasons of speed and memory use. Also, it seems easier to customize the HTC Home screen than it is to customize Titanium, lovely though it is. But there's one awfully tempting feature of 6.5, and that's the version of IE. The automatic full-screen and finger scrolling are very nice. Is there any way to get those features into 6.1? Or can someone direct me to a nice way to customize the Titanium home screen to have just the stuff I'm interested in? On the home screen I'd mostly like a nice big clock, a weather panel, PIM panels (calendar and tasks) and a launcher for apps (GPS, games, whatever).
Many thanks in advance for your wisdom and/or experience.

i used SPB Pocket Plus 4.02 on bbsands 6.5
it adds finger friendliness to file explorer and ie
also has a bunch of other nice abilities that sbp 2/3 doesn't have and it uses less memory
no fancy sliding screens or anything...but you get a task switcher...close menu...and i think up to 6 today tabs.
it also can double up the top hardkey buttons to short/long presses (messaging/ie buttons)
so you can quicklink 4 programs total to those two buttons...
i recommend that program 100%...all these features can be enabled/disabled
though personally i use a mix of skyfire/opera to get my webbing done
i would also highly recommend checking out mattsm's 6.5 build
if you notice on ppcgeeks, bbsand is/was taking a break and forwarded development to him
i run his 6.5 (i think 23004 build) and its well above the memory i would get on 6.1
no turning back now

Nobody Important said:
For the past day or so I've been playing with different 6.1 and 6.5 roms for my titan (Verizon xv6800), trying to decide which to go with. The two contenders seem to be DCD 4.1.2 (WM 6.1) with HTC Home and its customizer, and the new bbsandkm WM 6.5 build.
So far, 6.1 seems to be the winner for reasons of speed and memory use. Also, it seems easier to customize the HTC Home screen than it is to customize Titanium, lovely though it is. But there's one awfully tempting feature of 6.5, and that's the version of IE. The automatic full-screen and finger scrolling are very nice. Is there any way to get those features into 6.1? Or can someone direct me to a nice way to customize the Titanium home screen to have just the stuff I'm interested in? On the home screen I'd mostly like a nice big clock, a weather panel, PIM panels (calendar and tasks) and a launcher for apps (GPS, games, whatever).
Many thanks in advance for your wisdom and/or experience.
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as far as internet browsing i use skyfire which is really easy to use and very finger friendly. also opera mini is good too it even allows tabbed browsing.
in terms of the titanium today screen in wm6.5 they have a chome editor which allows you to edit it

For WM6.1 use FTouchFlo and click on full screen it will stay full screen (unless you click a button but it will go back automatically).

There are 6.1 ROM's that have the new version of IE.
There are also several other browser options including Opera Mini, Skyfire, Opera Mobile, etc.
FTouchFlo will add finger friendliness to every program and is a good add on for the slightly older builds of 6.1 that do not have the finger friendly features added to the few MS programs that MS programmed it into in the newer builds. I actually prefer the ROMs that do not have the finger friendly versions because then it's easier to use FTouchFlo and add it to all my programs. If you have the newer builds it is much harder to figure out how to exclude the built in programs so that FTouchFlo does not conflict with the built in gesture handling.

Need help with 6.5 SMS

I recently discovered the world of flashing after getting my contract voided with Orange and I love the new wm 6.5 based roms. However, I find the new default text application to be a pain in the ass.
Apparently it's part of manilla so to get it to rotate I've had to remove manilla as the exception on gsen, which is annoying(I've tried half a dozen rotate apps, not just gsen).
Also, I don't like it's new layout, you can't see the message when the keyboard pops up and it does funny things to fingerkeyboard. Now I'd like to stay with 6.5 roms. So here's my qustion.
Is there a way to revert back to the 6.1 texting style or is there an application that can replace the 6.5 style that's just as intuitive?
Thanks.

evokeuk said:
I recently discovered the world of flashing after getting my contract voided with Orange and I love the new wm 6.5 based roms. However, I find the new default text application to be a pain in the ass.
Apparently it's part of manilla so to get it to rotate I've had to remove manilla as the exception on gsen, which is annoying(I've tried half a dozen rotate apps, not just gsen).
Also, I don't like it's new layout, you can't see the message when the keyboard pops up and it does funny things to fingerkeyboard. Now I'd like to stay with 6.5 roms. So here's my qustion.
Is there a way to revert back to the 6.1 texting style or is there an application that can replace the 6.5 style that's just as intuitive?
Thanks.
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Not sure what ROM your on now but the answers will probably come faster if you ask in that ROM thread
Other than that I know DUttys 6.5 R9 Rom had the older keyboard installed which I also liked
You can have a look in Duttys 6.5 Thread too

ozmoran said:
Not sure what ROM your on now but the answers will probably come faster if you ask in that ROM thread
Other than that I know DUttys 6.5 R9 Rom had the older keyboard installed which I also liked
You can have a look in Duttys 6.5 Thread too
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I tried, but had no replies. It's not the keyboard that's the pain in the ass, it's the fact that in the new text layout, the keyboard obsecures all the message when you bring it up in landscape.

Not too sure what you mean my old and new style. I have Duttys R10 6.5 ROM.
The Manilla text I dont use, I use the standard Windows one, which is accessed by tapping "All Messages", when you are on the Messages tab in Manilla. The standard full qwerty and fingerkeyboard appears to work fine for me, both pushing the previous texts up the screen so I can see where I am typing and as much of the older messages as the screen allows. When the screen is landscape the keyboard takes up most of the room on the screen, but everything appears ok for me...

Jason1978 said:
Not too sure what you mean my old and new style. I have Duttys R10 6.5 ROM.
The Manilla text I dont use, I use the standard Windows one, which is accessed by tapping "All Messages", when you are on the Messages tab in Manilla. The standard full qwerty and fingerkeyboard appears to work fine for me, both pushing the previous texts up the screen so I can see where I am typing and as much of the older messages as the screen allows. When the screen is landscape the keyboard takes up most of the room on the screen, but everything appears ok for me...
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Ah, that's it! The standard windows one is the one I like. I'll just access it from that now. Thanks.
Is there a way to make that the default? So when you tap the message to reply it takes you to that one rather than the manilla one?

Not that I have seen... probably would be a change to one of the manilla files to get it to launch the message using the standard app, but I just always go to "All messages".
If anyone knows the answer, that would be helpful....

Bottom start menu and Ok button for WM6.5

I would like to ask what the name of this application?
Thanks.

what do you mean?

It is windows phone 6.5.1 's feature .

hi,
Please see the attached screenshot, in red box.
thanks.

look answer upper.
wm6.5.1 OS feature

Like thangkls said, it's simply a feature of newer builds of WM 6.5.

thank you very much for your replies.

Any chance this can be disabled? I for one really hate it. On QVGA with my fat fingers it's annoying. Also, it seems to have arguements with my preferred task switcher/manager.

fwp said:
Any chance this can be disabled? I for one really hate it. On QVGA with my fat fingers it's annoying. Also, it seems to have arguements with my preferred task switcher/manager.
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Use a Com2 Build. It cannot be disabled.

So many 6.5.x die-hard fans... tell me why?

Other than asthetics, is there any actual performance advantage to using a 6.5.x ROM?
The things I hear is that:
the 6.5 builds are more stable, particularly with Sense.
the 6.5.x builds are more finger friendly.
Since I've never tried one, can any 6.5.x die-hards tell me what it is that causes you to sacrifice said stability? Is it just the latest and greatest idea?

looking at the pace at which software and ROMS get updated i think part of it is having hte latest and greatest - it's almost a game who can get the latest sense packages or WM build.
From what i can see 6.5.x adds threaded view, bottom start bar and nicer bigger buttons. Aesthetics and button usability ARE important in a phone.
I also believe 24xx builds are the fastest.
However, you must realise sense will catchup. This is why many roms have a 2359/2400 tree as well as a 218x tree.
it appears from the forums that not everyone has horrendous 6.5.x stability issues though.

Thanks for the feedback.
Is 23540 the latest build we have Chefs using here on the forum? I have not found a later build, but maybe I missed it.
Anyone who has anything to share on this, I am curious and trying to decide if I want to take the plunge.

I'm using a 6.5.x rom (Evolution 1.3) and its stable and general I found its other apps that cause it to fail not the rom. I like it for the interface, much easier for one handed use and for a finger not stylus.
I did try another 6.5.x rom earlier and it was very unstable but I found I liked the interface. I used a 6.5 rom in the interim and it was very stable but really liked the more finger friendly 6.5.x rom style.
If you use a popular 6.5.x rom it will probably be okay but I would be a bit more careful with the newer chefs roms.

There is a lot of reasons I prefer 6.5.x over 6.5, finger friendly, thread e-mail, new UI, etc... Nonetheless it is a personal preference and you have to be in it so you can understand it. So you can seat on the side line and watch us play with it or you can just join the fun. At least if you try it, you will know what you are or not missing. And if you don't like it then you go back to side line again keep watching out of the window.

im one who really dont like 6.5.5...too big buttons who change the screen "wallpaper" space...and of course i dont like the big menu style...i dont know about stability cos i just tryed for some hour before flash another rom...i really dont understand why there are so many 6.5.5 roms compared to classical one

the asthetics are the reason why i HATE 6.5.x - the new start button looks out of place and ruins the spacing on the softkey bar...

looking at the builds i think it also takes up extra space on screen unecessarily. every pixel counts
I find 6.5 to be aesthetically good enough. I havent seen any ugliness - and everything seems finger friendly enough.
I will try 4354x build soon, but 218x seems ok. TBH I have a hard time seeing why people think WM6.5 brings the HD2 down so much.
It seems to sip battery atm even with a few addons, and seems impressively configurable - like Mio satnavs.

Caus HD2 has a large screen so 6.5.X look like easy too use (Push Button)
and Rom 6.5.X is also stable too.
You should try.

Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo

Laurentius26 said:
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
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I'm pretty sure (or assumed) that the total usable screen space is still the same eventually, because the 'thicker' softkeys/buttons at the bottom, are compensated by the 'thinner' taskbar at the top.

Laurentius26 said:
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
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Actually I think that the software buttons on the bottom are user friendy, for the following reasons:
1. you get your close button on the bottom so you don't have to "travel" all the way to the top to close an app. (ideal for one-hand usage)
2. for a large device like the hd2 i like it that the right soft-menu button is positioned closer to the center. It makes it more accessible for my rather small hands when I use it with one hand.
3. The large windows software button is in my opinion better than the tiny hardware button.
For the rest I agree with you.

Laurentius26 said:
Hi,
To my opinion wm6.5.x isn't that great and still in a very early beta status so bugs bugs bugs....
The startmenu at the bottum of the screen yeah great but the large buttons I don't see the benefit as you have hardware buttons beneat them.
Besides that the large buttons at the bottum of the screen in wm6.5x open a finger menu which you have in wm6.5 as well.
Another thing is that I find it a pitty the large software buttons in wm6.5.x taking a large space of that beautifull
screen you have on HD2.
And faster? No it isn't faster but very slugish compared to wm6.5.
Grtz Leo
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+1 on that, i know that this is the future but as long as htc will release an official 6.5.x rom i will stick with com2 roms. there are too many bugs mainly graphics ones related to the sense.

As others have stated, I'm one of those "Hate 6.5.5" people. Compared to the stable, classic 6.5, it just looks ugly-IMHO.

Hi Appelflap,
what about the Windows start menu hardware button at the bottum of the screen?
And if you want to go back the hardware Homebutton?
appelflap said:
Actually I think that the software buttons on the bottom are user friendy, for the following reasons:
1. you get your close button on the bottom so you don't have to "travel" all the way to the top to close an app. (ideal for one-hand usage)
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Edit; overlooked number 3 hihi, sorry.
Grtz Leo
appelflap said:
3. The large windows software button is in my opinion better than the tiny hardware button.
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Laurentius26 said:
Hi Appelflap,
what about the Windows start menu hardware button at the bottum of the screen?
And if you want to go back the hardware Homebutton?
Edit; overlooked number 3 hihi, sorry.
Grtz Leo
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Even more better than the button interface of wm 6.5.x is a gesture UI. I think this is going to have the future. But don't let me go off-topic here...

A gesture UI sounds interesting.
If you disable Sense from today isn't that what you mean Appelflap the WM6.5.x interface?
Now you are ON topic so go ahead.
appelflap said:
Even more better than the button interface of wm 6.5.x is a gesture UI. I think this is going to have the future. But don't let me go off-topic here...
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Laurentius26 said:
A gesture UI sounds interesting.
If you disable Sense from today isn't that what you mean Appelflap the WM6.5.x interface?
Now you are ON topic so go ahead.
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lol, no that's not what I meant. What I mean is a interface where you don't have to push any buttons but where you can just swipe your way around. For example instead of a back button, just swipe back.. Instead of a home button just swipe upwards etc. etc.

gesture based OS
Palm WebOS already does this - I have a HD2 and a Pre and gotta say, WebOS rocks so much. It's really so natural to use the gestures that when I switch back to my HD2 I almost have to forget/retrain the way I use my phone!

steviesteve78 said:
Palm WebOS already does this - I have a HD2 and a Pre and gotta say, WebOS rocks so much. It's really so natural to use the gestures that when I switch back to my HD2 I almost have to forget/retrain the way I use my phone!
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Hey, didn't know that the WebOS has that! Nice to know, i'm going to read a bit about it.
(BTW let's face it Palm is the inventor of this form-factor and they did a pretty good job with Grafity. I'm very curious what they are doing nowadays)

ROM's with Start at the bottom

OK, this might sound stupid but could anybody point me to ROM's with bottom Start softkey? Most chef cooked their ROM's with top Start softkey. And no fancy icons and taskbar, please. Thanks.

dan138zig said:
OK, this might sound stupid but could anybody point me to ROM's with bottom Start softkey? Most chef cooked their ROM's with top Start softkey. And no fancy icons and taskbar, please. Thanks.
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What you are looking for are 23xxx builds, Energy ROMs have those builds, they are 6.5.x builds , the 21xxx builds are 6.5 builds
6.5 = Start Menu Top Left
6.5.x = Start Menu Bottom Left

i'm afraid Energy doesn't meet my fancy as it doesn't have htc messaging. but nice info there.

dan138zig said:
i'm afraid Energy doesn't meet my fancy as it doesn't have htc messaging. but nice info there.
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Well if you investigated it, he has the HTC messaging cab on his addons link all you have to do is install it ......