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[new release] VJSlippyPalm - Toggles Palm Messaging

VJSlippyPalm
Guys, a quick app:
see here for the Palm Messaging App
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=280256
Once installed, you lose some access to the normal inbox, which you may still want.
Using VJSlippyPalm, you can assign the app to a hardware key.
Running VJSlippyPalm will then launch the Palm Messaging app.
However, pressing it again will close Messaging and instead switch to the normal Inbox. And vice versa.
If you have one of the apps already launched in the background, it will jump to that app (eg if Inbox is open, and you're on the Today screen, it will jump to Inbox)
By default it will close the other app.
You can launch it with a command line -min to minimise instead, for whatever reasons.
-about will show information about the app.
Download from my website.
V
PS: please note, this is not an app to uninstall the Palm Messaging App. It just switches between the different screens. Backup your system before installing Palm Messaging!

lol...well, that was fast!
Will give it a shot now...thanks.

Very nice, although I get a slow screen redraw between Messaging and Outlook E-Mail. Any ideas? On a i-mate JASJAM.

Okay this probably has something to do with Messaging closing, rather than minimising.
I understand creating a shortcut with "-min", but how to assign this shortcut to the Messaging hard key?

hmmm... i installed the palm messaging app and did the registry. i lost the sms/mms on inbox. is using this software will bring the sms/mms in the inbox or will this just switch between the two?

beatrix - it's nothing sophisticated, it just switches between the normal inbox and the palm app. It won't modify registry or fix anything that's already been broken
To assign the -min version to a hardware key, go into your start menu, find the existing shortcut to VJSlippyPalm, copy it, paste it, and then edit the copy. You want to amend the shortcut to just say
"....blah blah\vjslippypalm.exe" -min
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Rename the shortcut to VJSlippyPalm Min.lnk
And then launch that in the normal way from Settings > Buttons.
V

Legend, thanks!

What is the difference between the Palm threaded app in that link above (that was removed) and the one here on freewareppc.com?
http://www.freewareppc.com/communication/smsthreader.shtml

trojan9x said:
What is the difference between the Palm threaded app in that link above (that was removed) and the one here on freewareppc.com?
http://www.freewareppc.com/communication/smsthreader.shtml
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That one is the triangle powers .Net app. It's not integrated nicely like the Palm version and was very buggy when I tried it and very slow to load.

cant install cab from site on phone
hey, i tried dling the cab from your site directly from my phone, but it just brought me to a webpage with a whole lot of source code and stuff.

Seems ok to me:
http://www.vijay555.com/vj/releases/vjslippypalm/vjslippypalm.cab
paste it in to your browser, should work.
V

hey, tried it again and it still didnt work. tried in pie and opera.

Weststar - I didn't know you were using your PDA to browse. I could attach it as an attachment, but I don't like doing that as I like to update the cabs on my website as I develop them - attaching it will cause a static link of course. Could you use your PC to download instead? Worst case I'll attach.
V

well im at school right now, so i cant do it on my computer. but whatever works out for you is fine with me =)

do you /anybody know if the Palm's thread messaging implies all the SMS will go from the default inbox to the Palm's own database? i.e. if you open the default mail application, will it still be able to read all old sms.

to Zenkins:
I'm guessing you already have your answer by now, but to you or in case anyone else wonders, after install your SMS will NOT go to the old messaging database. I assure you this minor drawback is not worth passing the Palm threaded messaging app up though. It works beautifully! The lack of threading was my biggest and only serious complaint about my CHT-9000 (Hermes/TyTN/8525) since leaving my Treo 600. I use SPB backup to backup the databases daily in any case so for me at least, it's a non-issue.

Err, just realized I misread... I'm pretty sure the install killed my old SMS database. I'm not 100% certain I did have anything in it since I had just flashed the ROM and started fresh, but I'm pretty sure i did.

I don't understand. Which install killed your db?
VJSlippyPalm certainly shouldn't, it doesn't touch any databases, and AFAIK the Palm app shouldn't destroy it either, hence the use of VJSlippyPalm to switch between the two apps, which can co-exist well. However, I don't use the Palm app so can't say definitively.
V

thanks, I have figured that the old SMS will be lost. in anycase, I tried installing the palm messaging, it hung on me when I try to compose the message, or if it manage to compose and send, it goes straight into the sentbox, but the message doesn't get send out at all.
any idea?

Really no idea, as I said, I don't use it. Try googling for VJSlippyPalm and it'll take you to the another website that packaged up the Palm app. They've discussed bugs etc there.
V

[App] Palm Threaded messaging - WORKING MMS!!!

Post by Hannip on Treo central:
hannip said:
Need beta testers to try out this port of the Palm Threaded SMS app from the Treo 800w.
There are two cabs. One for the Sprint Treo Pro and another for the GSM Treo Pro.
Some known issues with this beta:
- No notification icon appears on the today screen when an sms comes in. This is actually a bug with the original program.
- MMS voice record fails initialization. Most likely due to different hardware.
- MMS receive fails on download step. (Sprint only)
Muffnician reported that sMMS works as a workaround to view MMS for Sprint users. Also go to Menu->Options in the Palm SMS app and uncheck the checkbox for "Automatically collect MMS Messages" to avoid getting download errors. GSM users can ignore this. You don't have this limitation.
Note that you will not be able to access or transfer your outlook sms messages into Palm SMS. Well maybe you can transfer 10 at a time each time Palm SMS starts., but there is no other way to do it
Installation instructions:
1) BACKUP your device using Sprite.
2) Download and extract the cab from the zip file and install it on your device.
3) Soft reset the device (use a program to do this to be safe)
4) When the device boots go to the Today screen settings to position/enable/disable the plugins as desired.
5) There will be a link in Programs called "Palm Messaging". This should open Palm sms. It should also show up in the Button settings so you can assign it to a key.
That's it.
Test sending and receiving sms and mms messages. Report any issues you find.
Thanks to cjohnson19401 for creating some webspace for me to upload the cab files for those that don't have access to rapidshare. :thumbsup:
For Sprint Treo Pro:
RapidShare: Easy Filehosting
you can also get it here.
http://carlnet.no-ip.org/phone/hannip/Palm 800w Threaded SMS beta1.zip
For GSM Treo Pro on AT&T/Cingular:
RapidShare: Easy Filehosting
you can also get it here.
http://carlnet.no-ip.org/phone/hannip/Palm 800w Threaded SMS GSM beta2.zip
Uninstall instructions:
1) Go to Start->Settings (Personal tab) and select the Today settings icon.
2) Select Items tab and uncheck boxes for "Messaging" and "Inbox".
3) Hit ok to refresh the today screen.
4) Soft reset
5) After boot go to Start->Settings (System Tab) and select the Remove Programs icon.
6) Select Palm Messaging and click Remove.
7) Soft reset
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Install the GSM version and take note of how I got to make it work, your MMS app may be different and you must always back up in the registry before you delete something in case you cant use MMS any more. Here is the post I made which found out how to make it work.
~~Tito~~ said:
I got it to work! When I was seeing what the problem was, i found out that the OEM MMS application was missing. So I gave up a late night and flashed and restored my back up. Well what ever happened my palm threaded text messaging worked!! I had previously installed it in my back up and it couldn't send any, now i tested it just to see and it works! You can find it here.
Ok, it stops being able to send after a soft reset. . . I will see what I can do to fix it. If anyone wants to pitch in, then pitch in . This is the latest version of the palm threaded messaging that works!
Edit #2: Ok, I got it. Just delete the MMS Key in the registry that samsung has. If you have installed Arcsoft Uninstall it and delete that key as well. Delete: "HLM\Software\Samsung\MMS" and if you installed arcsoft and uninstalled it delete: "HLM\Software\Arcsoft"
I've soft resetted twice with no issues.
We got the best mms/sms app around, 0 lag and 100% mms working!
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Once you figure out what you need to delete send a MMS and receive an MMS to make sure it works. If your not on at&t, then you can change the settings with in the application.
Working on:
-VGA
-QVGA
-320x320
-240x240
Works, but iffy:
-WQVGA- Graphical Issues, needs more confirmation​Solution to make message size limit to 600kb:
HLM/Software/Palm/Varnish/Messaging/MMS/MaxMsgSize "614400"

User Contributions
- Slimag Made an OEM Package

What would be the benefits of using this instead of the OEM windows threaded messaging?

Its faster and simpler to use, no more wm text lag, less of a resource hog, plus all the conversations save to one file for easy back up. Its the best just trust me .

can i use it for diamond?

QVGA?
How many percent of resources?

You guys have to try it out, to see what display issues happen, or don't happen.
Also,
It replaces the default Messaging app. So when you uninstall it, the default messaging app might not reappear. If that happens make a shortcut from "tmail.exe" in windows, back to the original location(Usually \Windows\Start Menu") it was and rename it to messaging or what ever you'd like.
System resources:
Ram takes like 1mb-4mb
The lower amount would be when its idle.
CPU will be around 0%-32%, Maybe less, because it only goes up when a new message comes in then instantly goes back to zero.
The lower amount would be when its idle.

screenies?

I will post later. Just test it out and see what issues you may run into.

I would like to see screenies before testing ANY application

I cant upload any screen shots right now since I tried from my phone and it wouldn't(away from my pc). I am on a short trip to mexico, and I am in california right now, but when I am in mexico, I am going to shut off data to avoid any charges. If you see uploaded images then it worked finnaly, hehe.
If your doubting this application, do a quick search on here for "palm threaded sms".

does this version address the issue of messages sometimes being stuck in the out box and resending itself, will there be vga support in the future?

wow! i can finally throw out my old (almost 3 years old) cab from treo 750. mms working like they should, nicer program icon and some minor changes. not so big step forward but better this than nothing now i can uninstall arcsoft 4.0X and still have mms capability!
any chances for working oem package?

neva dinova said:
does this version address the issue of messages sometimes being stuck in the out box and resending itself, will there be vga support in the future?
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I dont have that Issue so I guess it does, and for the vga issue, I dont have the knowledge to do that, so someone here on xda could probably do it :/. try it out and see if there is any issue

slimag said:
any chances for working oem package?
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I'll take a crack at it

Seems to be working fine on my Fuze (Touch Pro) so I'm guessing it works fine on VGA

Can you send a mms? No text display issues and such?
Can you provide a screeny?

~~Tito~~ said:
Can you send a mms? No text display issues and such?
Can you provide a screeny?
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Here are my issues:
1) Did not pull my sent messages over and create a conversation, just my inbox. Not sure if this is related to the fact that my messages were threaded in my default inbox though.
2) There is no notification icon on the taskbar (really the deal breaker for long term use)in case I don't see the SMS right away, and since don't use the Today screen the message counter located there is not of much use to me.
3) Default network connection is My ISP, but I changed that to medianet, so that it won't disconnect my data to send/receive mms, but rather uses my default connect.
4) Really needs a GUI facelift overall. Definitely works though for those that love palm messaging.
5) I didn't look into it too much, but I think the max size of mms messages needs to be fixed too, it's compressing them more than I'd like.
Attached some screenshots

Testing now... Will post results and screen shots... running a Sprint touch pro...
As of right now, palmsms is still unable to download sprint mms... Have tried many things so far... Still trying...

Any other sprint users test yet?

Help needed on software issues

1) I’m using SPB Pocket Plus, Phone Suite & Diary. Will SPB shell take up more footprint den this combination? (dun wanna have a laggy device).
2) When an email comes in & I tap on the ‘notification’ softkey, I’ll get an error msg – “An error has occurred with shell32.exe”. I’ve sent my TP2 back to HTC for firmware upgrade, but the problem still exists.
3) When a sms comes in, I have to manually go into the sms & go thru it, then it’ll be cleared & not reflect as an “unread sms”. Clicking on the ‘sms notification’ icon on my SPB phone suite, will open up the history of all the sms-es but I still have to go thru it just to clear the unread notice. Is there any short cuts/ registry tweaks to clear the unread notice without having to open up every single unread sms?
4) I cannot copy text inside my sms. I’ve to enable “select text” before I can copy text. Is there any registry tweak I can do to make it permanent? Cos its very troublesome having to enable "select text" each time.
5) I can’t copy text in my msn, any way to go abt it?
6) Does speedbooster work to speed up the switching of the screen & overall speed of applications?
7) I cannot see “tmail.exe” on my task manager, how do I go abt finding it? Read that there's a need to disable tmail.exe before restoring sms using pimbackup to avoid “mass grouping” of my sms-es. Currently it is all grouped by the contact and me, the contact all above and mine all below, its very disrupting.
8) There’s a ‘re-sizing’ tool for Opera which will automtically “re-size the input box to fit the screen. Have tried Opera Form Fixer, but it doesn’t work… Even with the manual method prescribed in the xda link.
Anyone knows of other programs with the same function?
Greatly appreciate everyone's advise to help me with them.

Upz for help needed.

upz. .

Hi Canjoy,
Sorry for not being able to help on any of your questions and responding with a question of my own!
Are you using Pocket Plus with WM6.5 from HTC installed? I ask that question because I'm using a cooked 6.5 ROM on my Blackstone with Pocket Plus. However, all of the File Explorer extensions are broken and I was wondering whether you had that problem on your Rhodium.
SPB won't respond to queries regarding cooked ROMS so it would be helpful to know if the problem exists on a stock HTC ROM.
Thanks for your help.
Steve

Hi,
Cos I'm not on WM6.5, so can't really help you on that too. So sorry.

HTC Messaging On HTC HD2 Issue

I know this has been discussed numerous times prior to this handset being released, and that HTC messaging has been cause various amounts of lag when the sms count is more then 20+ for one contact.
Im thinking everyone like me thought this issue would be fixed when the HD2 came out, with its 'power'. But I guess it had nothing to do with how powerful a processor you needed, but good programming, and ram allocation.
I've disabled htc sense, and used the default windows mobile 6.5 interface, but this still uses htc messaging.
So I tried to disable htc messaging using that tweak posted previously. It didn't work. When I clicked on a message in the message tab, nothing happened.
Has anyone with a hd2 emailed htc about this issue? I can't believe we still have this problem.

same here. would really like to go back to native wm threaded messages without disabling the Sense itself which is great..

HTC messaging disable
just google zenyee disable messaging and you will find what you are looking for....i had the same problem...i keep over 400 msgs in my inbox and it just slowed down like crazy...used the cab file on the site and its working perfectly...both sense and standard 6.5 messaging.
check it out.

kushalc said:
just google zenyee disable messaging and you will find what you are looking for....i had the same problem...i keep over 400 msgs in my inbox and it just slowed down like crazy...used the cab file on the site and its working perfectly...both sense and standard 6.5 messaging.
check it out.
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From my first post, I have already tried to use this cab, and it didnt work.

htc should just put a limit to the number of SMS messages to be shown when you open a contact's sms page. For example 20 messages shown immediately and if/when you need to read past messages, you just tap on a "show more messages" button on top of the sms list.. that should work wonderfully..

1.2 from here works for me, but i cant get it to be threaded..

Eraser85 said:
htc should just put a limit to the number of SMS messages to be shown when you open a contact's sms page. For example 20 messages shown immediately and if/when you need to read past messages, you just tap on a "show more messages" button on top of the sms list.. that should work wonderfully..
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now this should work, right? like on the iphone... the old messages will simply be archived. is there any tweak to do that?

Sounds like it would be an awesome idea. Or just port manila's 2.1 htc messaging.
Otherwise, the quick fix, all you do is push the keyboard logo, then you can compose a text right away.
Beats disabling htc messaging, and going back to the ugly default windows messaging.

blutz said:
1.2 from here works for me, but i cant get it to be threaded..
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I've tried both of these and neither work for me. I'd love to just have the normal WM SMS editor back!! (and no threading either)
I'd also love to get the damn album saving to \Storage Card\My Documents\My Pictures as well... another #htcfail !!

Disable HTC Messaging on HD2
The Zenyee Disable HTC Messaging 1.2 cab works as it says it would, ie default back to MS messaging system & the HTC messaging is no mas.
However, when tapping on a message from the text tab in sence, it does nothing (as it said it would), but there has to be a registry tweak to over come this.
Also, MMS is also no mas! This is a problem for me. I have installed, Arcsoftmms 5.0.31.7.us.cab with not luck. MMS messages go no where.
I have tried Arcsoft MMS composer WWE, also with no luck. This creates the MMS tab under menu/new/ sms or mms. It gives the old Windows CE look of MMS.
Voice command actually reads incoming text messages (which is a plus)
The TellMe app actually sends a dictated text (also a plus) with the Zenyee cab installed.
The lack of MMS is a no deal for me.
So, I recall my HTC HD days with the MIRI ROMS and the Energy ROMS. Miri (as well as Xanny Tech ROMS) roms had an option of ROMS without HTC messaging. These ROMs had the old 2.1 HTC Messaging (everything else M2.5) & WM messaging combined & MMS was present. The energy ROMS actually had both WM & the new HTC messaging enabled (with MMS).
My questions are: is there something I'm missing with this Zenyee cab and enabling MMS? Can I have both HTC messaging & WM messaging with MMS? I would be satisfied with this stock ROM (For now) if answered.
Please Help,
Todd

[email protected] said:
The Zenyee Disable HTC Messaging 1.2 cab works as it says it would, ie default back to MS messaging system & the HTC messaging is no mas.
However, when tapping on a message from the text tab in sence, it does nothing (as it said it would), but there has to be a registry tweak to over come this.
Also, MMS is also no mas! This is a problem for me. I have installed, Arcsoftmms 5.0.31.7.us.cab with not luck. MMS messages go no where.
I have tried Arcsoft MMS composer WWE, also with no luck. This creates the MMS tab under menu/new/ sms or mms. It gives the old Windows CE look of MMS.
Voice command actually reads incoming text messages (which is a plus)
The TellMe app actually sends a dictated text (also a plus) with the Zenyee cab installed.
The lack of MMS is a no deal for me.
So, I recall my HTC HD days with the MIRI ROMS and the Energy ROMS. Miri (as well as Xanny Tech ROMS) roms had an option of ROMS without HTC messaging. These ROMs had the old 2.1 HTC Messaging (everything else M2.5) & WM messaging combined & MMS was present. The energy ROMS actually had both WM & the new HTC messaging enabled (with MMS).
My questions are: is there something I'm missing with this Zenyee cab and enabling MMS? Can I have both HTC messaging & WM messaging with MMS? I would be satisfied with this stock ROM (For now) if answered.
Please Help,
Todd
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me too
i would ask how i can delete for ever htc messaging and back to wm sms/mms

blutz said:
1.2 from here works for me, but i cant get it to be threaded..
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My bad, new messages are being threaded from the installation time and onward. I'm happy with this fix.

blutz said:
My bad, new messages are being threaded from the installation time and onward. I'm happy with this fix.
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Do you not have a problem with MMS sending and receiving with this cab installed? Who is your carrier?

[email protected] said:
Do you not have a problem with MMS sending and receiving with this cab installed? Who is your carrier?
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I usually post on ppcgeeks but while doing a search, it led me hear and thought to chime in. The standard fix for SMS/MMS issues is to install Zenyees cab to disable messaging, reset, install Picturemail removal cab, reset, and install Arcsoft cab for your carrier. Ever since the 2.5 cooked roms have come out, this has always fixed the sms/mms problems. Tap "all messages" from the messaging screen and you should be good to go. if have previous sms from backup data, it may not all thread but any new messages from here on should be threaded.
hope that helps.

hi any print shot for the final look of how the thread look like?

Anyone having issues with installing the Remove PictureMail & Arcsoft.cab? For some reason it wont install the 12kb
i cant install and disable everything still cannot install Remove PictureMail & Arcsoft.cab
christian.a said:
I usually post on ppcgeeks but while doing a search, it led me hear and thought to chime in. The standard fix for SMS/MMS issues is to install Zenyees cab to disable messaging, reset, install Picturemail removal cab, reset, and install Arcsoft cab for your carrier. Ever since the 2.5 cooked roms have come out, this has always fixed the sms/mms problems. Tap "all messages" from the messaging screen and you should be good to go. if have previous sms from backup data, it may not all thread but any new messages from here on should be threaded.
hope that helps.
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The Arcsoft cab did not work for me on the HD2. it just does not play well with the inbox.
If anyone got this to work, please let us know how

I cannot get HTC Messaging disabled using the 1.2 cab, no matter what the MessagingService.dll seems to load on startup regardless of whether it's entry in HKLM\services\MSG is removed or renamed manually or with the cab. And when I go into the Windows folder to try and rename the file, it tells me I can't as it's loaded into Rom.
I'm on 1.48, could someone point out a fix for this please?

no helper???

There's an SMS Hotfix on the HTC site - maybe it helps?

[REQ]using default sms app

I've searched and searched but just can't find it, most threads don't have intuitive titles to help with the search so hopefully if we get a solution this will help others.
My request is pretty simple (I hope anyway), the HTC Sense SMS app sucks. It's slow, slow and slow; plus the text is tooooooo small for comfortable viewing/ reading outdoors. Is there anyway to switch to the default windows SMS app without flashing a custom ROM.
I haven't sold my [email protected] yet and this might jst be the deal breaker for me. Any assistance would be appreciated.

Go to your messages menu (from the all messages view) and tap menu/options/traditional mode.

You can get the WM client by searching for and downloading the "Zenyee Messaging cab". But I can't guarantee everything working perfectly (I think I had trouble with MMS using the Zenyee cab).

For me, if I have a ROM cooked with standard windows messaging and I apply that cab to use the HTC messaging, it breaks MMS. If I have a ROM with HTC messaging as default, applying the cab to use the standard windows messaging breaks MMS. I cannot win.

Thanks for all the feedback guys!

ribcage said:
Go to your messages menu (from the all messages view) and tap menu/options/traditional mode.
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Just for your reference "traditional mode"; means its threaded. It doesn't change the app.