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By way of encouraging discussion -- The HTC X7500/7501 is the closest current HTC product to the emerging class of computers being dubbed UMPC (ultra-mobile PC) that seems to be catching fire. Of course the appeal of the UMPC is its reliance on currently popular PC OS -- WinXP or Vista, as well as its small size (most have screen sizes between 4.5 and 8 in). The Athena's 5 in VGA screen, relatively powerful cpu, 8GB HDD, and form factor with the easy-to-use keyboard makes it very close IMHO to the appealing features of the UMPC's, although it's not officially classified as such because it uses the WinMobile OS rather than XP or Vista. I'm personally torn between my x7500 (with WM6) and one of these UMPC -- have tried the Sony Vaio UX390N but sold it because I found its limitations (unreadable screen, reliance on mouse vs. touchscreen, slow processing with vista) too great. But there are a number of newer UMPC versions coming out that seem worth trying (but who can afford them?).... the OQO Model 02 is only slightly larger than the Athena but offers Vista (at twice the Athena price).... the Raon Everun due out shortly is also only slightly larger than the Athena but not as powerful as the OQO but seems like a "hot" seller.
As a longtime proponent of pocketpc/pdaphones and similar pocketable devices, I'm intrigued -- what thoughts do others in this forum have regarding the emerging UMPC compared to our Athena/Advantage devices?
brucewilsonpa said:
By way of encouraging discussion -- The HTC X7500/7501 is the closest current HTC product to the emerging class of computers being dubbed UMPC (ultra-mobile PC) that seems to be catching fire. Of course the appeal of the UMPC is its reliance on currently popular PC OS -- WinXP or Vista, as well as its small size (most have screen sizes between 4.5 and 8 in). The Athena's 5 in VGA screen, relatively powerful cpu, 8GB HDD, and form factor with the easy-to-use keyboard makes it very close IMHO to the appealing features of the UMPC's, although it's not officially classified as such because it uses the WinMobile OS rather than XP or Vista. I'm personally torn between my x7500 (with WM6) and one of these UMPC -- have tried the Sony Vaio UX390N but sold it because I found its limitations (unreadable screen, reliance on mouse vs. touchscreen, slow processing with vista) too great. But there are a number of newer UMPC versions coming out that seem worth trying (but who can afford them?).... the OQO Model 02 is only slightly larger than the Athena but offers Vista (at twice the Athena price).... the Raon Everun due out shortly is also only slightly larger than the Athena but not as powerful as the OQO but seems like a "hot" seller.
As a longtime proponent of pocketpc/pdaphones and similar pocketable devices, I'm intrigued -- what thoughts do others in this forum have regarding the emerging UMPC compared to our Athena/Advantage devices?
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Battery life is what separates the men (athena) from the boys (umpc). Even the ulv editions don't have that much staying power I have tried the Sony umpc TZ...., and now have the Stylistic ST5112 (not real umpc cos of larger screen) which claims 10hrs battery life, but not really getting that much.
personally i like zippy performance...
and the thing with vista is... with a 1.2ghz chip as these current umpcs are offerning these days...
i dont feel its well worth it for laggy performance...
and it really depends on what your use for the said device is.. ?
is it going to be primarily a workhorse type eqiupment ?
or is it going to be a simple phone that is powerful ?
i prefer to go for something like an athena... for quick work on the go...
but if im going to be doing any REAL work that requires a computer as in web design / various other apps ... i dont see myself successfully utilizing a umpc...
i prefer the large displays at home for webdesign and coding etc.
and there are many of small notebooks you can buy these days for a good price ... in the range of something like 10" notebooks
this is no bigger than a 8.5 x 11 notebook great for note takign etc.
i was thinking of getting one for college work...
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personally i like zippy performance...
and it really depends on what your use for the said device is.. ?
is it going to be primarily a workhorse type eqiupment ?
or is it going to be a simple phone that is powerful ? ...
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I think this is the key point -- and one which is acknowledged by some of those doing reviews of UMPC -- right now the UMPC's available, while pretty cool in lots of ways, still have a lot of limitations so they can't even match what our WinMobile devices can do. OTOH.... I keep asking myself if I really use all that power of my "primary" computer (core2duo laptop with lots of cpu power, ram and large HDD)..... maybe my challenge is to decide just what I really need??????
I am curious. Has anyone used the Advantage to drive a PPT presentation on a projector? How limited is P-PPT?
That would really drive my behaviour.
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I am curious. Has anyone used the Advantage to drive a PPT presentation on a projector? How limited is P-PPT?
That would really drive my behaviour.
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I use PocketSlides from Conduits. http://www.conduits.com/products/slides/
While you do have to go through a "convert" step, I have found that it faithfully reproduces all features and layout, including most animations. Also allows editing on PPC, which for me is the downside to PocketPPT and why I have never given it a try.
I have projected presentations and videos with no problems using the VGA cable. (Other than troubles finding a video player that handles MPEG-2, which 90% of my stuff is encoded in.)
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I use PocketSlides from Conduits. http://www.conduits.com/products/slides/
While you do have to go through a "convert" step, I have found that it faithfully reproduces all features and layout, including most animations. Also allows editing on PPC, which for me is the downside to PocketPPT and why I have never given it a try.
I have projected presentations and videos with no problems using the VGA cable. (Other than troubles finding a video player that handles MPEG-2, which 90% of my stuff is encoded in.)
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have you tried TCPMP ?
I personally think it boils down to cpu, I would love to have the ameo running vista, xp, but it would take ages to do anything. I was looking at umpc's today, "was really looking for a bluetooth mouse, no joy as usuall, thanks pcworld." and thinking, nice, but the cpu isnt that much better than my ameo, plus running vista, which is cpu hungry, I just think no, I would like one, but since I got my ameo I don't turn on my pc as much, unless im video converting or doing somthing, which a umpc would be to slow. dual core and a 64 bit operating system, I like speed.
with wm6, or 5, I can do pretty much what I need to do. and lets face it I can remote desk top if I really wanted to do somthing else while I was killing time at work.
its a nice idea, but I think after contiplating one for this lenght of time, I think WM6 is enough for what your average Joe does with it. Be it presentations, excell in my case or sending emails.
Anyway, thats my drunken opinion, and im off to bed.
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have you tried TCPMP ?
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honestly, I tried it once a while back and it really gummed things up. I do use CorePlayer, but no mpeg-2 support yet. guess I need to give tcpmp another go...
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honestly, I tried it once a while back and it really gummed things up. I do use CorePlayer, but no mpeg-2 support yet. guess I need to give tcpmp another go...
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download the tcpmp file that mackaby posted it has all the codecs in it
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download the tcpmp file that mackaby posted it has all the codecs in it
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Does it have WMA support? I could not play a film with that format on tcpmp
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Does it have WMA support? I could not play a film with that format on tcpmp
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i didnt know there were wma films...
i thought it was windows media audio .. implying audio only ?
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i didnt know there were wma films...
i thought it was windows media audio .. implying audio only ?
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WMV, sorry. My question still hold
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WMV, sorry. My question still hold
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Yes it has support, but is very poor. Corecodec are aware of this and will improve on the new Coreplayer over time, but for now, the best solution for WMV is to stick to WMP.
Personally, I detest playing vids in WMV.
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I am curious. Has anyone used the Advantage to drive a PPT presentation on a projector? How limited is P-PPT?
That would really drive my behaviour.
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It works fine, I have just loaded a 20MB PPS file to the Hard Drive in the Ameo and it runs great via the 4in1 output cable to the projector, no video embeded, just text and photos, not quite as fast as the laptop but it certainly works well - the time lag is only apparant on certain slides with a number of pictures embeded in them - Mike
so talk about getting off topic...
but anyways to get back on...
i am actually considering the htc shift... but it will really depend on its price point... as i find it would be good for me to use at school... ofcourse the athena would still be my main device
Is there any device in market or coming soon similar to Athena?
Important features included:
large screen (5" or above)
under $1000
long battery life
instant on
wifi, gps
weight about 1 lb
It should have more than one in this market segment.
Thanks!
Where have you been? Look at it's successor HTC Advantage X7510: http://www.digitalburn.com/index.php/2008/05/21/review-of-htcs-x7510-advantage/
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alui said:
Is there any device in market or coming soon similar to Athena?
Important features included:
large screen (5" or above)
under $1000
long battery life
instant on
wifi, gps
weight about 1 lb
It should have more than one in this market segment.
Thanks!
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Good question. I'm looking for it too. I was hoping that 7510 was going to be it, but no. It was a step backward instead of forward, from my perspective and based on the way I'm going to use it.
I would add FM radio, support High Capacity external memory cards, 5MB camera, fluid video recorder, television, more rounded and thinner than 7500/7510.
I would like it to maintain the existing aspect ratio and not move toward 480x800 for the sake of software compatibility. No thanks, I don't want a 2.8" screen.
As you can see, there is none in the market that meets my dream list. So I guess I'd be using my Athena for a long long time to come still.
alui said:
Is there any device in market or coming soon similar to Athena?
Important features included:
large screen (5" or above)
under $1000
long battery life
instant on
wifi, gps
weight about 1 lb
It should have more than one in this market segment.
Thanks!
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question: All the things you've mentioned are included in the Athena, so why are you looking for something else????
Or if you don't mind a small screen and the absence of a keyboard, check out the Samsung Omnia: http://samsungomnia.com/
To be honest, if this had a better screen size, I would not consider saving up for the X7510, but nothing beats the screen of the Athena and Advantage as of now.
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Or if you don't mind a small screen and the absence of a keyboard, check out the Samsung Omnia: http://samsungomnia.com/
To be honest, if this had a better screen size, I would not consider saving up for the X7510, but nothing beats the screen of the Athena and Advantage as of now.
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Indeed. You'd really appreciate Athena's (big) size when you're using e-reader program, pdf file viewer, SoftMakers (when in 92dpi especially), and internet browsing. You can see those otherwise too tiny fonts.
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Indeed. You'd really appreciate Athena's (big) size when you're using e-reader program, pdf file viewer, SoftMakers (when in 92dpi especially), and internet browsing. You can see those otherwise too tiny fonts.
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I am dying in waiting here... for the X7510. On The Go Solutions will have it in stock by tomorrow. I keep holding back because I am waiting for the price of the X7500 (brand new) to drop to at least $900. If I can't control myself, I'll be buying the X7510 by next week. But before I order, I still want to know that they have it in stock, because the release date keeps moving back.
I even purchased ahead of time the following: Brando Workshop's Ultra clear screen protector, LG HBM 700 BT Communicator, heck... I even ordered a customized belt holster from Nutshell in Horizontal Style that houses both the case and the X7510 with keyboard. I had to make sure I didn't messed up on the size specifications I provided, so I waited for some reviews to confirm it. I guess we'll know in a few days.
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For my the Athena is the best device today even compared with with the newer devices about to be released, HTC had the chance to get out a much better device with the 7510 but they didn't deliver.
In my opinion the only better thing is they doubled the amount of memory to 16gb and that is solid state rather than a hard disk, so what (8GB micro SDs cost peanuts this days and 16gb will soon be out there) but not joypad or buttons.
I want my next device with a proper graphics chip and the most sensitive gps chip out there and a camera that actually deliver even in poor light conditions
I want the OS and applications as good as those made by Apple or better and for gods sake Athena it is a VGA device, I want VGA working out of the box.
a little more ram will hep too ( for speed) and the phone function should work flawless at all times.
transflective LCD screen any one?
those are the issues that if solved will make a difference to my, and yea they can be solved the proof is this forum and excelent roms and apps.
Is anybody from HTC reading this?
said this I still convinced than Athena+XDA develoers hard work is the best device out there even after a year.
right, I feel much better now
oh yea good try with the new keyboard but not good enough.
i was reading this thread... and i had the urge to bump it up.
lol.
ciao!
HTC SHIFT? A bit Bigger... but loses some of the mobile capabilities and batt life?
Three months later and the answer to this thread is still the same - the 7500 or 7501 are still the best on the market. 7510 gives up too much, and nothing else on the market has the screen size, battery life, instant on, wifi, bt, etc.
For me, the replacement model is the HTC Touch HD.
Touch HD
I am also intrigued by the Touch HD, but I can't see on its spec page if it has VGA out. I use my Advantage to hook up to a projector and run PowerPoint. (Maybe I need a pocket sized projector that takes an SD card instead?)
touch hd lacks the hardware keyboard and gps, right? but atleast maybe they already fixed the graphic card issue in touch hd.
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touch hd lacks the hardware keyboard and gps, right? but atleast maybe they already fixed the graphic card issue in touch hd.
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They have not only gps but also A-gps.
Thank goodness there is no keyboard.
Athena screen size attracted me most, though its a little bulky.
Xperia X1 is my prefer choice, if it is 1 inch more.
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They have not only gps but also A-gps.
Thank goodness there is no keyboard.
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i see, i must have misread that gps thingy somewhere.
While Touch HD is the best replacement today, I'm still waiting for a 4.5 inch minimmum screen, with FM and TV and joystick. I don't mind not having the other hardware buttons but I really really want the joystick.
I prefer no keyboard personally. Just want the same form factor as the Touch HD.
I'm intrigued by the t-mob G1
http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/19/g1-appears-on-t-mobiles-site/
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HTC SHIFT? A bit Bigger... but loses some of the mobile capabilities and batt life?
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"a bit" bigger. nah, it is like several times bigger, i can take and post comparison photos
the truth is, while the shift is really small for a vista pc, the athena is incredibly small. (just don't compare it to normal phones )
Hi!
First of all, I buy 2 days ago a Touch HD (im getting this week), but all the more I read, my thinks are that HD is not a great device finally.
Pros
- Big screen
Cons
- GPS Lag (ultra important)
- Video doesnt play smooth (80 90%) on coreplayer and have lag
- Camera lag and bad quality photos.
- No [email protected] videos
- Lot of devices with dead pixels
So, why buy this device instead staying on a Diamond/pro or buying a X1? If I stay, I only lose a bigger screen that not cost 600€ for me (usb from the diamond have adapters to 3.5 minijack), and if you buy a X1, only lose the big screen but wins all of the cons of HTC devices plus more ram and better battery.
So, what are your reason to buy the Touch HD? Im thinking on cancel my order on monday.
yes, cancel your order and buy an iphone , this solve all probs about camera , recording , gps lag etcetc
kersh said:
Hi!
First of all, I buy 2 days ago a Touch HD (im getting this week), but all the more I read, my thinks are that HD is not a great device finally.
Pros
- Big screen
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I doubt this ... because:
I am not sure that this big screen is effective enough. For watching movie and video, yes it is. However, for browsing the internet, without a doubt, you can see more content compare to 2.8" screen ... but is it directly readable without zooming? I dont think so ... Still nice though.
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- GPS Lag (ultra important)
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I dont think so, the first 2 owners from The Netherlands confirmed that the GPS Lag does not exist in this device.
But, again, no more report from other owner ...
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- Video doesnt play smooth (80 90%) on coreplayer and have lag
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I saw couple of examples from YouTube, I think it plays quite well. I dont see lag nor delay.
Oh yeah, it does not play 720p nor 1080p
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- Camera lag and bad quality photos.
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Agree, I think the camera still sux ... or worse (more shutter-lag because of the 5 MP?)
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- No [email protected] videos
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Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
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- Lot of devices with dead pixels
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This is bad ... probably we need to start counting how many percent have dead pixel. Poll anyone?
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So, why buy this device instead staying on a Diamond/pro or buying a X1?
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Touch Diamond + Pro ---> GPS Lag
X1 ---> Slow performance???
kersh said:
If I stay, I only lose a bigger screen that not cost 600€ for me (usb from the diamond have adapters to 3.5 minijack), and if you buy a X1, only lose the big screen but wins all of the cons of HTC devices plus more ram and better battery.
So, what are your reason to buy the Touch HD? Im thinking on cancel my order on monday.
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My reason? I dont know ... probably I will stick with my Kaiser ... and wait the next 3.8" WinMo ...
Or probably wait WinMo 6.5? Probably this can add some more functionalities.
Well right now i want a WinMo device and i want it with a 3.5mm audio jack, so that leaves me with two options:
X1 and Touch HD
Since X1 doesnt have an acclerometer (which WinMo7 is going to use heavily), has a recessed screen and TouchFlo doesnt play nice with it yet and since i can't use the keyboard fully in my language, i'd rather go with Touch HD's bigger screen.
GPS and camera aren't so crucial for me (for 3 years on my old nokia, i've used the camera ~10 times, haven't had a GPS and don't imagine i'll need it much (though its nice to have)).
Devices with dead pixels are covered by warranty, so that shouldnt be a problem.
And the only other argument you have is video doesnt play smooth, which isnt that good, since i plan on using it a lot, but when i asked here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443245 the guy says that non-AC3 movies from the net play ok and on one review, the reviewer was playing an ep of House on it and it looked OK to me, so i guess it'll do for me.
I am not sure that this big screen is effective enough. For watching movie and video, yes it is. However, for browsing the internet, without a doubt, you can see more content compare to 2.8" screen ... but is it directly readable without zooming? I dont think so ... Still nice though.
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Actually it is. Played for 30 mins with one at a shop the other day and zoomed out everything was perfectly readable for me (though i'm young and don't use glasses, don't know about old folks (a lady at the Xperia forum returned it for that very reason)) the only thing that bugged me is that you can't click links directly from a zoomed out standpoint, first you have to zoom in, but that's Opera's fault, not Touch HD's. The guys at Opera should fix it
Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
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X1 can and it haa pretty much the same specs as Touch HD, except for the camera, maybe that's the problem.
Also Nokia N95
iPhone might as well not have a camera
its a nice phone but not the killer device it was hyped up to be, but i hope it will improve god willing when the developers have a go at it.
...Frankly speaking, you should have waited if you had been disappointed by the HTC devices in general. If you don't like to fiddle with your telephone, suffer for improvements, contribute to it and refresh your OS every week - then an HTC is probably not the better choice, many other companies make good telephones and similar sexy toys. The touch HD is, in my opinion, the most innovative personal platform which has appeared in the last years - it just misses Linux which will arrive soon...
i think that HTC telephones are a technology platform to have fun, like PCs 20 years ago.
If you were expecting an "out of the box" apple performances and finished ergonomics there is no need of investigating: i would suggest to cancel your order and buy an I***** (...oops, i cannot even write it....maybe an allergy? )
BTW, i have a touch HD already and i have been driving at least two hours with it and i continously hear about the GPS lag: WHICH GPS lag? If it is a 20 m lag, at which speed you drive?
Since there is a lot of speculation, shouldn't everybody clarify if they heard/read about a problem from internet, or they had/saw the problem themselves?
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BTW, i have a touch HD already and i have been driving at least two hours with it and i continously hear about the GPS lag: WHICH GPS lag? If it is a 20 m lag, at which speed you drive?
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What speeds do you drive at?
For the ones that say that I need and i****, I am not gonna buy and apple device in my life, but is frustrating seeing the same errors on every new device of HTC.
playbacks issues, gps lag, bad sound quality, etc etc
And the touch hd who can be the perfect model if they fix this, now is the same with a bigger screen, thats the problem, they sell the same again and again.
And the gps lag is not only 20 metters it is maybe more than 40 50 in some situations and the gps lag of the diamond have made me to skip a lot of detours and streets, it is a BIG issue.
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I dont think so, the first 2 owners from The Netherlands confirmed that the GPS Lag does not exist in this device.
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Others confirming that big gps lag exists, reviews included.
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I saw couple of examples from YouTube, I think it plays quite well. I dont see lag nor delay.
Oh yeah, it does not play 720p nor 1080p
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In youtube you cant see much, you need to use coreplayer benchmark or so and that have about 80%, that it is 20fps instead 25 on videos, so not smooth video playing
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Which Windows Mobile phone can do that?
For sure, iPhone cant do that.
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X1 can do and really great
gogol said:
Touch Diamond + Pro ---> GPS Lag
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yes, same **** that hd touch, very important issue on latest htc's
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X1 ---> Slow performance???
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x1 slow performance? It have better performance, more ram, no video issues.
compared with the touch pro, the touch hd is a big improvment. Battery life seems increadable - with the same use the touvch pro would have died hours ago and i still have 50 % left!1 Gps sensitivity is as good as my old kaiser - the touch pro could never get a lock indoors.
Not sure what htc have done, but its all good.
Coreplayer says 80% so the video playback is bad?
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Ok.
TonyPlayer says 100.5%.
All these reports of crappy video playback are starting to worry me, that's one of the main reasons why i'm buying it...
Why do you use CorePlayer when WM6.1 comes with Windows Media Player ?
kersh said:
For the ones that say that I need and i****, I am not gonna buy and apple device in my life, but is frustrating seeing the same errors on every new device of HTC.
playbacks issues, gps lag, bad sound quality, etc etc
And the touch hd who can be the perfect model if they fix this, now is the same with a bigger screen, thats the problem, they sell the same again and again.
And the gps lag is not only 20 metters it is maybe more than 40 50 in some situations and the gps lag of the diamond have made me to skip a lot of detours and streets, it is a BIG issue.
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Dear Kersh,
i don't understand what is real and what is speculation: which sound quality? which lag? which playback issues? which etc.etc.?
I have been driving with it on highways, city and walking my dog. I couldn't see any lag. If the diamond had a lag (i don't know) you should not extrapolate that the touch HD behaves in the same way. Please let me know of a conclusive and quantitative test you'd like to see and I'll try it out.
I have one and i am very happy. At the same time, software improvements on such a machine can make it improve even further and extend the satisfaction of owners for years. In my opinion, this device offers the best performances which are available on the market today.
My old trinity improved a lot with time - thanks to the people here trying hard to improve these devices!
By the way, I don't believe that Iphones are bad at all - simply they are like Apple PC: good for my mother and my wife - but i want to be at the frontline and contribute to it.
All the Best,
Let's make it clear iGO v8.3.1.57021 corrects the lag ! and many more improvments
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Dear Kersh,
i don't understand what is real and what is speculation: which sound quality? which lag? which playback issues? which etc.etc.?
I have been driving with it on highways, city and walking my dog. I couldn't see any lag. If the diamond had a lag (i don't know) you should not extrapolate that the touch HD behaves in the same way. Please let me know of a conclusive and quantitative test you'd like to see and I'll try it out.
I have one and i am very happy. At the same time, software improvements on such a machine can make it improve even further and extend the satisfaction of owners for years. In my opinion, this device offers the best performances which are available on the market today.
My old trinity improved a lot with time - thanks to the people here trying hard to improve these devices!
By the way, I don't believe that Iphones are bad at all - simply they are like Apple PC: good for my mother and my wife - but i want to be at the frontline and contribute to it.
All the Best,
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Dear pzucchel,
as u mentioned in the second paragraph,would u be kind enough to do some simple test for the gps lag issue.can u drive at a speed of 80 to 100 km/h,when you physically reach a junction or an interchange ,where is the current location(i.e car icon or triangle) of your device showing? if its exactly parallel to the junction or interchange,than there is no lag..the difference between your physical location and your device location is the actual lag.Another simple test is when your car has physically turn into a junction,how long would the device take to show you are now driving on a new road and direction.and if you could be kind enough to specify what navigation program you used for the test..that will be wonderful.
Thanks in advance for your help
I've been looking forward to the touch hd for a bit now, and I still plan to get it. If there is anything i have learnt from these forums is how a lot of problems is software based.
Anyway, one main reason i'm getting it is that chance to have android on it when it gets ported on.
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It depends on the software you use.
I have tried Garmin XT and iGO 8.3.1 on my HTC Trinity.
The Garmin was always a little bit behind, where iGO was always on spot!
And guess what:
I have tried both on my Touch HD, and have exactly the same findings!
I too like Android OS on the cell phone. I have been trying to tolerate the Sammy i760 I am now using, but the HD and the Omnia 16gb both look good. I also am thinking of the Invidia Tegra 600 series as it WILL play at 30fps. Would this be the "one" to wait for? or is it in something and I don't know due to all the Dr's I have to see and travel too? Thanks, JASTECH
NVIDIA Tegra 650 also features:
• All-day media processing, for 130 hours audio, 30 hours HD video playback
• HD image processing for advanced digital still camera and HD camcorder functions
• Optimized hardware support for Web 2.0 applications for a true desktop-class internet
experience
• Display support for 1080p HDMI, WSXGA+ LCD and CRT, and NTSC/PAL TV-Out
• Direct support for WiFi, disk drives, keyboard, mouse, and other peripherals
Tegra 650
* Processor and Memory Subsystem
o ARM11 MPCore @ 800 MHz
o 16/32-bit LP-DDR
o NAND Flash support
* HD AVP (High Definition Audio Video Processor)
o 1080p H.264 decode
o 720p H.264 encode
o Supports multi-standard audio formats, including AAC, AMR, WMA, and MP3
o JPEG encode and decode acceleration
* ULP GeForce
o OpenGL ES 2.0
o Programmable pixel shader
o Programmable vertex and lighting
o Advanced 3D/2D graphics
* Imaging
o Up to 12 megapixel camera sensor support
o Integrated ISP
o Advanced imaging features
* Display Subsystem
o True dual-display support
o Maximum display resolutions supported:
+ 1080p (1920x1080) HDMI 1.3
+ WSXGA+ (1680x1050) LCD
+ SXGA (1280x1024) CRT
+ NTSC/PAL TV output
I had a conversation with a couple of friends the other day and we talked about the X2. Everyone made a ton of suggestions as usual. That got me thinking...... what is the single most desirable feature/part/option that YOU would like to see in the X2.
It may be anything from android or WinMo 7 to capacitive touchscreen, dvb-h receiver, flush screen, accelerometer or a 5 row keyboard . You may choose only one thing, so choose wisely....
After a lot of deliberation I decided that the featue I want the most is.....
Multi-touch resistive screen . Yes, I said resistive. Check it out:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
I hate resistive touch screens because you can't use a stylus. I would say 4 inch screen Xperia.
it should be programable hw keyboard...change the language, then the letters on the buttons change accordingly
The ability to play an 1376 Kbps Bit Rate Xvid, 164 Kbps Audio MP3 at 624x352 Pixel File at a full 100% without dropped frames.
You didn't say I couldn't list the faults of the X1 which are:
Keyboard slightly too small.
Main Hardware buttons a little fiddly
External speaker/ringtone output rubbish.
Camera too slow.
Other than that I absolutely adore my X1 (Even though it does have 'the crack' (Which I've never bothered to return to get fixed))
itje said:
it should be programable hw keyboard...change the language, then the letters on the buttons change accordingly
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For that to work, typing in the sun will be a pain!
keep the same physical size but 3.2" or larger screen.
poetryrocksalot said:
For that to work, typing in the sun will be a pain!
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Unless you had one of these keyboards!
Samsung's Alias 2 dynamic E-Ink keypad in action
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/08/video-samsung-alias-2-dynamic-e-ink-keypad-in-action/
well since my baby is near perfect, Id say Id like a more intuative OS, even if itswindows based...it need to flow alot smoother.
having one video player to play all videos (divx, xvid, wmv,mp4,3gp,mov...) smoothly no matter how high the bitrate.
12.1 mp camera, something I want in a phone that's both sexy and powerful.
I would say better support from SE, regular firmware updates, a separate support group who know in and out of the X2, including the workings of WinMO.
THJahar said:
Unless you had one of these keyboards!
Samsung's Alias 2 dynamic E-Ink keypad in action
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/08/video-samsung-alias-2-dynamic-e-ink-keypad-in-action/
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How do you know this can be seen in sunlight?
Not a cheap housing
a decent and good one please s.e that the only thing regret my buying this peace of cr....
3.2" WVGA screen, not more than 53mm width, no moving part (no slide out keyboard/keypad).
Fulgore69 said:
Not a cheap housing
a decent and good one please s.e that the only thing regret my buying this peace of cr....
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cheap housing? You have got to be kidding me, the quality is second place to Iphone. cheap housing? it's almost completely covered in some sort of metal. Not even the N95 has a good quality design that beats the Xperia!
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3.2" WVGA screen, not more than 53mm width, no moving part (no slide out keyboard/keypad).
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LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's basically a Touch Diamond 2...lmfao!!!!!!!!!
Shave at least 5mm from the thickness. Having a thin slider would wow just about everyone.
1ghz + dual core processor
ps. itje, when your friend gets his prototype model of the x2 are u going to be a ble to post some pics or tell us some pre release model specs?
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1ghz + dual core processor
ps. itje, when your friend gets his prototype model of the x2 are u going to be a ble to post some pics or tell us some pre release model specs?
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I dont know, Ill take what I can, and share what I am told I can share..thats all I can do
itje said:
I dont know, Ill take what I can, and share what I am told I can share..thats all I can do
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after they have sent prototype models out im sure SE will show something before it gets leaked on the net. as it will be noticed that certain se staff have a new model phone.
hey, i'm pretty new here, but not to windows mobile.
i've been using winmo 5 and 6 for years and it served me very well.
normally, i use my PSP to watch videos. after ripping DVDs, i need to convert it to a 480x272 AVC MP4 and its really time consuming on my 5 year old pc.
and after converting, i cannot turn off subtitles on the PSP, system doesn't support it.
then, i saw this phone with huge screen and yeah, in screen size and resolution:
nokia etc. phones < iPhone < PSP < HD2
hmm.
i researched and learnt that i still need to convert files on this machine. really? c'mon!
then i tried a dvd rip file on my P535, guess what, with 0.5GHz processor speed and no hardware help, it played flawlessly on TCPMP, modded for SRT subtitles.
but, i've read that not all apps work on HD2.
won't i be able to copy my TCPMP to it and just play?
my apps like rdcalc, airomap, coreplayer, adobe reader, garmin, age of empires, pocketgba... won't work? doesn't it run same OS, with even better specs?
another question, i see that many people is excited awaiting win phone 7.
it looks like some kind of iPhone OS, which i don't like.
is it really different than current winmos or should i wait for the new HD with phone 7 ? will i be able to do things currently i do now? why everyone is talking about it while it doesn't even support multitasking? do you think it will be hacked so it will be similar to current winmos?
and, a last question, is this phone easy to carry? man, it's huge!
thanks all for your help.
hd2
Phone is not bad at all to carry. I'm not upgrading to wm7, not interested, too many things I don't like, I'm happy with hd2 wm 6.5.. Other question, don't know, sorry. This is by far best phone I've ever had, "I have had lots""
wm 6.5 is going to be a dying breed but still has lots of apps. android seems to be on the rise and is getting more apps. iphone is still going strong.
even tho i got an hd2 just recently, i bought it because i can still run the apps that i have on my old sony x1a.
it really all about what you want to do with it now and maybe down the road a little. do research well before you commit to any phone you buy, especially if you buy one without a contract.
Hi!
I have both the HTC HD2 and the HTC Desire Android phone (my first Android, I have had a lot of WinMo phones though), and there is no doubt that I prefer the Desire over the HD2. I love the screen of the HD2 though, and would like to see that on an Android soon (supersonic maybe, if it ever comes to Europe). The Android OS seems much more integrated and the available apps in the market are great.
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i researched and learnt that i still need to convert files on this machine. really? c'mon!
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coreplayer on the hd2 can play divx and xvid video without any problems. coreplayer on my hd2 cannot play high definition 720p x264 video - the audio plays fine but the video is about 1fps.
tcpmp on the leo struggled to play the regular divx files, presumably a codec issue, but if the videos are converted to a smaller resolution/bit rate, then tcpmp can play them fine. tcpmp can't play the 720p videos at all.
535 said:
but, i've read that not all apps work on HD2.
won't i be able to copy my TCPMP to it and just play?
my apps like rdcalc, airomap, coreplayer, adobe reader, garmin, age of empires, pocketgba... won't work? doesn't it run same OS, with even better specs?
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The HD2 can run coreplayer, adobe reader and tcpmp, as I run these programs. As for the others, I'd be amazed if they don't run. I think what you have read is wrong.
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and, a last question, is this phone easy to carry? man, it's huge!
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No it's not. I have big hands and it's still a bit too big. You may have a different experience and not be bothered about that, but I am. Walking and texting isn't a good idea for me as it needs 2 hands to operate it and I'm always worried about it slipping out of my hands. I use a smaller phone (Nokia X6) during the week when I go to work.
so, many winmo apps can be run without problems?
i know it's not possible to run ordinary TCPMP on leo.
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... The Android OS seems much more integrated and the available apps in the market are great.
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i'm afraid of "too many versions with are incompatible with each other" in that OS. i mean, the new version will come with flash support but oldies wont get it? not nice.
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i know it's not possible to run ordinary TCPMP on leo.
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I have TCPMP 0.72RC1 ARM PPC installed on my HD2.
ah, so that means i didnt do my homework after i've read "messed GUI" and "buttons dont work" messages, i think i got over afraid ...
njeo said:
...tcpmp on the leo struggled to play the regular divx files, presumably a codec issue, but if the videos are converted to a smaller resolution/bit rate, then tcpmp can play them fine...
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it uses only software decoding, right? i'd expect same results on all machines.
so, videos that my old P535 play fine is not always going to be played on leo?
I have ran into only 2 old old games so far that I was not able to play on HD2 - apps wise everything ran perfectly so far... and I got installed over 200 (currently have about 30 installed).