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Athena vs. UMPC

By way of encouraging discussion -- The HTC X7500/7501 is the closest current HTC product to the emerging class of computers being dubbed UMPC (ultra-mobile PC) that seems to be catching fire. Of course the appeal of the UMPC is its reliance on currently popular PC OS -- WinXP or Vista, as well as its small size (most have screen sizes between 4.5 and 8 in). The Athena's 5 in VGA screen, relatively powerful cpu, 8GB HDD, and form factor with the easy-to-use keyboard makes it very close IMHO to the appealing features of the UMPC's, although it's not officially classified as such because it uses the WinMobile OS rather than XP or Vista. I'm personally torn between my x7500 (with WM6) and one of these UMPC -- have tried the Sony Vaio UX390N but sold it because I found its limitations (unreadable screen, reliance on mouse vs. touchscreen, slow processing with vista) too great. But there are a number of newer UMPC versions coming out that seem worth trying (but who can afford them?).... the OQO Model 02 is only slightly larger than the Athena but offers Vista (at twice the Athena price).... the Raon Everun due out shortly is also only slightly larger than the Athena but not as powerful as the OQO but seems like a "hot" seller.
As a longtime proponent of pocketpc/pdaphones and similar pocketable devices, I'm intrigued -- what thoughts do others in this forum have regarding the emerging UMPC compared to our Athena/Advantage devices?

brucewilsonpa said:
By way of encouraging discussion -- The HTC X7500/7501 is the closest current HTC product to the emerging class of computers being dubbed UMPC (ultra-mobile PC) that seems to be catching fire. Of course the appeal of the UMPC is its reliance on currently popular PC OS -- WinXP or Vista, as well as its small size (most have screen sizes between 4.5 and 8 in). The Athena's 5 in VGA screen, relatively powerful cpu, 8GB HDD, and form factor with the easy-to-use keyboard makes it very close IMHO to the appealing features of the UMPC's, although it's not officially classified as such because it uses the WinMobile OS rather than XP or Vista. I'm personally torn between my x7500 (with WM6) and one of these UMPC -- have tried the Sony Vaio UX390N but sold it because I found its limitations (unreadable screen, reliance on mouse vs. touchscreen, slow processing with vista) too great. But there are a number of newer UMPC versions coming out that seem worth trying (but who can afford them?).... the OQO Model 02 is only slightly larger than the Athena but offers Vista (at twice the Athena price).... the Raon Everun due out shortly is also only slightly larger than the Athena but not as powerful as the OQO but seems like a "hot" seller.
As a longtime proponent of pocketpc/pdaphones and similar pocketable devices, I'm intrigued -- what thoughts do others in this forum have regarding the emerging UMPC compared to our Athena/Advantage devices?
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Battery life is what separates the men (athena) from the boys (umpc). Even the ulv editions don't have that much staying power I have tried the Sony umpc TZ...., and now have the Stylistic ST5112 (not real umpc cos of larger screen) which claims 10hrs battery life, but not really getting that much.

personally i like zippy performance...
and the thing with vista is... with a 1.2ghz chip as these current umpcs are offerning these days...
i dont feel its well worth it for laggy performance...
and it really depends on what your use for the said device is.. ?
is it going to be primarily a workhorse type eqiupment ?
or is it going to be a simple phone that is powerful ?
i prefer to go for something like an athena... for quick work on the go...
but if im going to be doing any REAL work that requires a computer as in web design / various other apps ... i dont see myself successfully utilizing a umpc...
i prefer the large displays at home for webdesign and coding etc.
and there are many of small notebooks you can buy these days for a good price ... in the range of something like 10" notebooks
this is no bigger than a 8.5 x 11 notebook great for note takign etc.
i was thinking of getting one for college work...

boinger66 said:
personally i like zippy performance...
and it really depends on what your use for the said device is.. ?
is it going to be primarily a workhorse type eqiupment ?
or is it going to be a simple phone that is powerful ? ...
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I think this is the key point -- and one which is acknowledged by some of those doing reviews of UMPC -- right now the UMPC's available, while pretty cool in lots of ways, still have a lot of limitations so they can't even match what our WinMobile devices can do. OTOH.... I keep asking myself if I really use all that power of my "primary" computer (core2duo laptop with lots of cpu power, ram and large HDD)..... maybe my challenge is to decide just what I really need??????

I am curious. Has anyone used the Advantage to drive a PPT presentation on a projector? How limited is P-PPT?
That would really drive my behaviour.

jab said:
I am curious. Has anyone used the Advantage to drive a PPT presentation on a projector? How limited is P-PPT?
That would really drive my behaviour.
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I use PocketSlides from Conduits. http://www.conduits.com/products/slides/
While you do have to go through a "convert" step, I have found that it faithfully reproduces all features and layout, including most animations. Also allows editing on PPC, which for me is the downside to PocketPPT and why I have never given it a try.
I have projected presentations and videos with no problems using the VGA cable. (Other than troubles finding a video player that handles MPEG-2, which 90% of my stuff is encoded in.)

wgary said:
I use PocketSlides from Conduits. http://www.conduits.com/products/slides/
While you do have to go through a "convert" step, I have found that it faithfully reproduces all features and layout, including most animations. Also allows editing on PPC, which for me is the downside to PocketPPT and why I have never given it a try.
I have projected presentations and videos with no problems using the VGA cable. (Other than troubles finding a video player that handles MPEG-2, which 90% of my stuff is encoded in.)
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have you tried TCPMP ?

I personally think it boils down to cpu, I would love to have the ameo running vista, xp, but it would take ages to do anything. I was looking at umpc's today, "was really looking for a bluetooth mouse, no joy as usuall, thanks pcworld." and thinking, nice, but the cpu isnt that much better than my ameo, plus running vista, which is cpu hungry, I just think no, I would like one, but since I got my ameo I don't turn on my pc as much, unless im video converting or doing somthing, which a umpc would be to slow. dual core and a 64 bit operating system, I like speed.
with wm6, or 5, I can do pretty much what I need to do. and lets face it I can remote desk top if I really wanted to do somthing else while I was killing time at work.
its a nice idea, but I think after contiplating one for this lenght of time, I think WM6 is enough for what your average Joe does with it. Be it presentations, excell in my case or sending emails.
Anyway, thats my drunken opinion, and im off to bed.

boinger66 said:
have you tried TCPMP ?
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honestly, I tried it once a while back and it really gummed things up. I do use CorePlayer, but no mpeg-2 support yet. guess I need to give tcpmp another go...

wgary said:
honestly, I tried it once a while back and it really gummed things up. I do use CorePlayer, but no mpeg-2 support yet. guess I need to give tcpmp another go...
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download the tcpmp file that mackaby posted it has all the codecs in it

boinger66 said:
download the tcpmp file that mackaby posted it has all the codecs in it
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Does it have WMA support? I could not play a film with that format on tcpmp

victoradjei said:
Does it have WMA support? I could not play a film with that format on tcpmp
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i didnt know there were wma films...
i thought it was windows media audio .. implying audio only ?

boinger66 said:
i didnt know there were wma films...
i thought it was windows media audio .. implying audio only ?
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WMV, sorry. My question still hold

victoradjei said:
WMV, sorry. My question still hold
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Yes it has support, but is very poor. Corecodec are aware of this and will improve on the new Coreplayer over time, but for now, the best solution for WMV is to stick to WMP.
Personally, I detest playing vids in WMV.

jab said:
I am curious. Has anyone used the Advantage to drive a PPT presentation on a projector? How limited is P-PPT?
That would really drive my behaviour.
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It works fine, I have just loaded a 20MB PPS file to the Hard Drive in the Ameo and it runs great via the 4in1 output cable to the projector, no video embeded, just text and photos, not quite as fast as the laptop but it certainly works well - the time lag is only apparant on certain slides with a number of pictures embeded in them - Mike

so talk about getting off topic...
but anyways to get back on...
i am actually considering the htc shift... but it will really depend on its price point... as i find it would be good for me to use at school... ofcourse the athena would still be my main device

Rockbox for Windows Mobile

I see some people from http://www.rockbox.org/ are trying to port it to Windows Mobile. If they port it we can have propper mp4 player functions and UI. What do you think?

weswes said:
I see some people from http://www.rockbox.org/ are trying to port it to Windows Mobile. If they port it we can have propper mp4 player functions and UI. What do you think?
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It would be great.... I'm using Rockbox on my Ipod...
But I think that for WM there are lots of similar programs.....
Try Pocket Melody or Pocket Music...

Rockbox is amazing, I was using it on my Motorola ROKR E6.

It would be great to have something with the capability of rockbox.
Actually all I need is something supporting gapless playback and browsing by folder structure. Pretty simple requirements but nothing seems to have that at the moment on Windows Mobile.

erm. development potential.. i'm reopening

I think this is pretty damn cool. even just as a proof of concept. Used to use rockbox on my iriver, sadly it died and my new Sony isn't supported.

already used it in my old motorola e680i.superb player!the best audio/video player i have ever seen..

Great news!
I think this might give Rockbox the attention it deserves.. such a shame not a lot of people know about it

yea i've been using rockbox on my sansa e360(can't remember if that is the model or not) but it's the 4gb mp3 player and this firmware is great it adds a lot more function to the mp3 player and you don't have to worry about it being in a certain format it plays everything pretty much just drag drop and go

I used to use it when my iriver h120 was functional
this gave me better battery life, faster boot time, easier (for me) file management, and GAPLESS!

My iPod recently died, so I figured I would buy an HD2 instead.
I recon rockbox would be amazing on this device.
Too bad I know nothing about WinMo development...but hopefully some users of this forum will give the rockbox dev team a hand making this a reality

CSMR said:
It would be great to have something with the capability of rockbox.
Actually all I need is something supporting gapless playback and browsing by folder structure. Pretty simple requirements but nothing seems to have that at the moment on Windows Mobile.
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Ofcourse it does.. Try Pocket Player.

aksd said:
Rockbox is amazing, I was using it on my Motorola ROKR E6.
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OMG I thought i was the only one that had this phone lol.. I was so hoping Android got fully ported on it, for some reason it only worked on the A1200 though

HTC HD2 or Toshiba TG01

Dear Member
I'm looking for a new mobile and i am bluffed and coffused.
Can you help me to choose between, please?
Thanks
Caim

HD2>>TG01.
/thread

Thanks for your help.
Do you when he can avaible in France?

Caim said:
Thanks for your help.
Do you when he can avaible in France?
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HTC said they would start shipping the devices this week and should thus be available from most retailers next week.

Thanks for all.
I will take it.

Caim said:
Thanks for all.
I will take it.
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Good choice - you won't regret it and welcome to the forums!

I think the HD2 is better than the TG01 in most respects. The screen is slightly larger, it has more memory, the case is actually slightly smaller (despite the screen size), and HTC's "Sense" customisation is better than Toshiba's weird stripey GUI.
There are two reasons why you might prefer a TG01, though.
The first is if you need a resistive screen: for example, if you want to be able to easily use a stylus (or any convenient object that happens to come to hand) to press the screen with, or if you want to be able to use while wearing gloves; neither of these is possible on an HD2. Of course the HD2's screen being capacitive has an upside: it supports multi-touch, inluding pinch-to-zoom in some applications.
The other reason is if video playback is a big priority: the TG01 comes with a custom version of Coreplayer which is able to make use of GPU-acceleration; the commercial version of Coreplayer won't be able to do that on an HD2, so performance won't be as good.

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I think the HD2 is better than the TG01 in most respects. The screen is slightly larger, it has more memory, the case is actually slightly smaller (despite the screen size), and HTC's "Sense" customisation is better than Toshiba's weird stripey GUI.
There are two reasons why you might prefer a TG01, though.
The first is if you need a resistive screen: for example, if you want to be able to easily use a stylus (or any convenient object that happens to come to hand) to press the screen with, or if you want to be able to use while wearing gloves; neither of these is possible on an HD2. Of course the HD2's screen being capacitive has an upside: it supports multi-touch, inluding pinch-to-zoom in some applications.
The other reason is if video playback is a big priority: the TG01 comes with a custom version of Coreplayer which is able to make use of GPU-acceleration; the commercial version of Coreplayer won't be able to do that on an HD2, so performance won't be as good.
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Don't get why people keep posting about coreplayer when the HD2 comes with its own dedicated player that supports avi playback natively.
The UI is also horrible.
Your first point is valid however.

Toss3 said:
Don't get why people keep posting about coreplayer when the HD2 comes with its own dedicated player that supports avi playback natively.
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Because it doesn't support any useful codecs like divx or xvid, which means it won't play most avi's.

Shasarak said:
Because it doesn't support any useful codecs like divx or xvid, which means it won't play most avi's.
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But you could just buy coreplayer for the HD2 if it doesn't - 30$ isn't that much if you really need it(especially when you consider the many other positive aspects the HD2 has over the tg01).
Btw. are you absolutely sure it won't play xvid and divx content?
http://www.cnet.com.au/htc-hd2-339298998.htm
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The HD2 features a wider range of media file codec support, now including XviD and DivX
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Toss3 said:
But you could just buy coreplayer for the HD2 if it doesn't - 30$ isn't that much if you really need it(especially when you consider the many other positive aspects the HD2 has over the tg01).
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Yes but the version you can buy and the version that comes pre-installed on the TG01 aren't the same. The TG01 version is able to benefit from GPU acceleration; the commercial version isn't. That's the important difference.

Shasarak said:
Yes but the version you can buy and the version that comes pre-installed on the TG01 aren't the same. The TG01 version is able to benefit from GPU acceleration; the commercial version isn't. That's the important difference.
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Well as you said yourself it won't really make a difference as the snapdragon is fast enough to handle the playback by itself.

Toss3 said:
Well as you said yourself it won't really make a difference as the snapdragon is fast enough to handle the playback by itself.
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Well, we'll see. It almost certainly will make a difference (as I also said before) when it comes to playing back video with a higher resolution than the screen and downscaling on the fly.

One more thing....
The PRICE. We just (3hrs ago) bought a TG01 for 149 pounds PAYG at an Orange store, you won't find the HD2 for even twice that price.

dave79 said:
The PRICE. We just (3hrs ago) bought a TG01 for 149 pounds PAYG at an Orange store, you won't find the HD2 for even twice that price.
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where was that mate?
edit: saw it online..

This may be a necropost but if you still haven't bought the device, here's something else that may have you prefer the TG01: Native USB Host functionality.
The TG01 ships with a cable that allows USB Host functionality in the box. You can plug in USB keyboards, mice, flash drives, controllers, etc. and use them. It has drivers for most of the devices.

Games on the HD2

A key feature that I'm hoping the HD2 does well is emulation. Running morphgear on my Touch HD worked alright. You couldn't really get audio to sync or work right and framerate wasn't that great either. Now with the HD2 you got multitouch support and better hardware, so it should be an awesome experience. Has anybody tried running any emulation apps on the HD2 yet?
Also the TG01 plays PSX games flawlessly check out these links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q9qAB7ADB4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR2e1Mep2b0
Anybody test this out on the HD2?
I dream of being able to play PSP games on the HD2

FpSECE should run like a charm on this monster (also without any bluetooth gamepad due the enourmous screen size). I think there are going to be alot of capacitive-scree-like-games for windows mobile now also. Pfff can.t wait to get my hands on this baby )

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FpSECE should run like a charm on this monster (also without any bluetooth gamepad due the enourmous screen size). I think there are going to be alot of capacitive-scree-like-games for windows mobile now also. Pfff can.t wait to get my hands on this baby )
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If you think that most of developers are going to make capacitive-like-games for windows mobile when only one device support it instead of putting their efforts on games for the iphone and android, you are going crazy.

^^ Second that! Don't keep your hopes up for any Multitouch based games for atleast another year.
Windows Mobile 7 might change that. But till then, its no use dreaming

I remember when xtract (or whatever it was called was released), this was such a fantastic game and showed what could be possible on the WM platform.
sadly, the popularity of the iphone means that most developers are working on apps for that phone instead. The main reason behind this is that every developer knows almost exactly what he will have to work with on an iphone. With WM there are too many variations of screen resolution to consider, memory restrictions etc
in addition, the relatively high cost of apps on WM (compared to the thousands of 0.59p for iphone)means that they don't sell quite so many and the demand isn't there.
it's sad, but this is perhaps the reason that WM is dying as a platform.
I saw an article the other day that said that itunes had hit the 100,000 mark for apps. I think that's an increase of about 25,000 apps in a single year. WM cannot even get close to that figure..

Well, out of those 100,000 apps 99,900 are useless fart apps and such, not the kind of games we are talking about here. App Store allows you to sell whatever you want and since there's no return policy you can have people paying for your app, no matter if it is good or not.
This is not to say there are no great games for the iPhone of course! Yet the mere number of apps there isn't really an indicator of quality.

you're right ( I question your accuracy though )
but the point is, that people are spending time creating 'useless' apps for the iphone....very few people are creating anything for WM

twisted-pixel said:
it's sad, but this is perhaps the reason that WM is dying as a platform.
I saw an article the other day that said that itunes had hit the 100,000 mark for apps. I think that's an increase of about 25,000 apps in a single year. WM cannot even get close to that figure..
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I think we do need to make some difference between a big number, and quality programs... How many programs are not just total useless "fart" and other idiotic crap programs.
Its easy to claim that they have 100.000 programs, when most are close to useless.
SnooPPP:
You forgot to post a more recent one. This one showes the touchscreen in action on the TG01, with the overlay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MHCQiT6e54
Its actually kinda playable just using a Single Touch Resistive screen.
A quick look at the forum of the FpseCE emulator shows that people are interested in the HD2.
People here question if its useful for developers to create games for a single platform. But, the specs for WM7 are know. They know that every device in the future will have at minimum, the same specs as the HTC HD2, to be compatible with the WM7 OS. So, for many developers the HTC HD2 will probable be a nice development / testing platform for the future.
Also, when looking at the PSX emulator, that now on a Snapdragon can play about every PSX game... This is a game library of? How many hundred games? Including hits like FF7, etc ...
What about the N64 emulator that they are porting for the openPandora project, on a TI OMAP 3430? When the source is released and recompiled for WM, you can expect to also that game library...

This is what im really excited about, FpSECE on the HD2 will be amazing, it just needs either multitouch support or we need a controller we can use with the HD2.

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but the point is, that people are spending time creating 'useless' apps for the iphone....very few people are creating anything for WM
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Well, why wouldn't they spend time? If you put a fart app in App Store, chances are, somebody will pay for it by mistake, and won't be able to claim money back.

loomx said:
This is what im really excited about, FpSECE on the HD2 will be amazing, it just needs either multitouch support or we need a controller we can use with the HD2.
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In fpsece 0.1 there are overlays so no need for a controller(and it supports multitouch if I recall correctly).

Meh, regarding an entertainment perspective, I never really understood why games should be on phones. Sure the usual, patience or bubble breaker is nice, but if you really want to play games, I suggest getting an xbox360 or ps3, it's what I use mine for anyway.

KrewCial said:
Meh, regarding an entertainment perspective, I never really understood why games should be on phones. Sure the usual, patience or bubble breaker is nice, but if you really want to play games, I suggest getting an xbox360 or ps3, it's what I use mine for anyway.
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You don't travel much, do you?

PSP then?

KrewCial said:
PSP then?
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Carrying around two devices is just too inconvenient.

Could the HD2 even handle PSP Game's graphics??

Toss3 said:
Carrying around two devices is just too inconvenient.
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Meh, when I travel, I don't mind carrying another device with me. Playing games on your phone only drains the battery even more, leaving less juice to make business calls.

KrewCial said:
Meh, when I travel, I don't mind carrying another device with me.
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That's a bit like arguing that there's no point in putting a camera into a phone because, when you travel, you don't mind taking a camera with you. That may be true as far as it goes; but having a camera in your phone becomes useful in situations where you didn't know in advance that you were going to need a camera and then suddenly realise that you do - conveniently, you just happen to have one with you because it's built into a device that you automatically carry with you at all times. The same applies to gaming on a phone: it's useful in situations where you didn't know in advance that you were going to want a gaming device.
You also have to ask: even if you are willing to pack a separate portable console, are you willing to pack a portable games console, a phone, an MP3 player, a mobile web browsing device, a mobile email terminal, a dedicated satnav device, and a portable video player? That's quite a lot to fit in your trouser pockets. There's a lot to be said for combining multiple devices into the same box.

Shasarak said:
are you willing to pack a portable games console, a phone, an MP3 player, a mobile web browsing device, a mobile email terminal, a dedicated satnav device, and a portable video player? That's quite a lot to fit in your trouser pockets.
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You forgot to mention all the chargers too

It's not like chargers take that much space... it's just one small bag. Besides, nowadays there are these universal extensions and what not if I'm correct if you really mind taking multiple chargers with you. Furthermore, if you have one device which you use for everything, you're gonna need to charge it more often, while this is not the case when using multiple devices, just to make clear that having an all-in-one device is not as heavenly as it might seem (or you're gonna have to take ALL those multiple batteries with you ).
Also, comparing taking a picture and gaming with and on a phone is not entirely just, because when one wants to game, he/she has to sit down and put time into gaming, while taking a snapshot is almost instant. What I'm trying to say is that when someone is playing a full blown 3D game (which is what is actually discussed here instead of patience, minesweeper or whatever), that person wants to put in time to focus on the game. In this case it's much better to use a dedicated device and not some emulator on a phone to play ps1 games while draining your battery life. And yes, if someone wants to take beautiful high resolution pictures, that person will take a quality camera with him/her.
Eventually it all comes down to preference I guess...

Windows phone 7 and the hd2 question from a desire owner

Hey guys
I'm looking into purchasing a hd2 from my friend or possibly doing a swap for my desire
My question is what are the chances of seeing a fully working Rom with windows 7 ?
I no about the hardware limitations but is anyone currently working on a Rom ?
Would it be even possible ?
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ascottuk said:
Hey guys
I'm looking into purchasing a hd2 from my friend or possibly doing a swap for my desire
My question is what are the chances of seeing a fully working Rom with windows 7 ?
I no about the hardware limitations but is anyone currently working on a Rom ?
Would it be even possible ?
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why would you like to change Desire for HD2?
i'm going to change my HD2 to Desire or Nexus One cause i'm tired of WinMo, with it's low quality apps, and the lack of apps and games that really worth this 4.3" display and HD2's hadrware.
about WP7, there is no working ROM, and no one even know (except Da_G) when it will be working

As far as i know, Da_G is working on it.
Yet still, there is no proof that it will work.
and even if it does work someday, i doubt it will be anytime soon

Sultan1993 said:
why would you like to change Desire for HD2?
i'm going to change my HD2 to Desire or Nexus One cause i'm tired of WinMo, with it's low quality apps, and the lack of apps and games that really worth this 4.3" display and HD2's hadrware.
about WP7, there is no working ROM, and no one even know (except Da_G) when it will be working
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Well the fact is i get very bored very quickly, iv been on android for a good 18 months, also had a play with Meego and done some developer work on that, i love the screen and i do alot of travelling on trains work wise, its much easier for me to carry a 4.3" mobile around then my 17" laptop to watch a couple of movies. The Desire screen is great, but the video player is an absolute pile of cack, the ones on the market place add very little, sometimes with a file sizer over 2gb i find the playback shocking.
On my friends HD2 playing back a 2gb video file its much much better than on my desire

only for video? go fot hd2
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Well the fact is i get very bored very quickly, iv been on android for a good 18 months, also had a play with Meego and done some developer work on that, i love the screen and i do alot of travelling on trains work wise, its much easier for me to carry a 4.3" mobile around then my 17" laptop to watch a couple of movies. The Desire screen is great, but the video player is an absolute pile of cack, the ones on the market place add very little, sometimes with a file sizer over 2gb i find the playback shocking.
On my friends HD2 playing back a 2gb video file its much much better than on my desire
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if you are only for watching video on hd2, go for it. I always watch WWE avi format on the train on the way to work
But let me remind you that you will miss a lot of android's cool features.
especially chatting and emailing. I came from Magic btw
But 18 months is already too much i think, so go get a new one
welcome to HD2 world!

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Well the fact is i get very bored very quickly, iv been on android for a good 18 months, also had a play with Meego and done some developer work on that, i love the screen and i do alot of travelling on trains work wise, its much easier for me to carry a 4.3" mobile around then my 17" laptop to watch a couple of movies. The Desire screen is great, but the video player is an absolute pile of cack, the ones on the market place add very little, sometimes with a file sizer over 2gb i find the playback shocking.
On my friends HD2 playing back a 2gb video file its much much better than on my desire
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and what about battery life? how many hours Desire last when you are watching videos? with it's 1400mAh battery and AMOLED smaller screen?
i think HD2 will last much shorter than Desire...1230mAh and huge screen
of course watching videos on it is great

Sultan1993 said:
and what about battery life? how many hours Desire last when you are watching videos? with it's 1400mAh battery and AMOLED smaller screen?
i think HD2 will last much shorter than Desire...1230mAh and huge screen
of course watching videos on it is great
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well my battery life is nothing short of awful, granted i have my desire rooted and running a custom rom and it is slightly overclocked, but also running at a lower voltage, i barely get to the end of the day with facebook running in the background, and also googlemail running,
on a stock rom i get just over a day, i have a 1600mAh extended battery aswel
Whats the facebook and twitter apps like on the HD2? those are my most used apps on my desire
Also can you guys advise how well gogolemail works and also how easy it is to setup, have HTC added in any setup wizards? and does it push email directly to the handset?

oooh another question, iv just come accross some details about the PSX emulator, how good is this? that would pass the time on the train playing some FF7 or FF8!

Sultan1993 said:
why would you like to change Desire for HD2?
i'm going to change my HD2 to Desire or Nexus One cause i'm tired of WinMo, with it's low quality apps, and the lack of apps and games that really worth this 4.3" display and HD2's hadrware.
about WP7, there is no working ROM, and no one even know (except Da_G) when it will be working
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ascottuk said:
Well the fact is i get very bored very quickly, iv been on android for a good 18 months, also had a play with Meego and done some developer work on that, i love the screen and i do alot of travelling on trains work wise, its much easier for me to carry a 4.3" mobile around then my 17" laptop to watch a couple of movies. The Desire screen is great, but the video player is an absolute pile of cack, the ones on the market place add very little, sometimes with a file sizer over 2gb i find the playback shocking.
On my friends HD2 playing back a 2gb video file its much much better than on my desire
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Tagged words: tired, bored, pile of cack.