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Thickness with Keyboard

The specs say it is .6 inches or 16 mm thick. Is that with or without the keyboard... what about in the leather wallet?

bandersnatch said:
The specs say it is .6 inches or 16 mm thick. Is that with or without the keyboard... what about in the leather wallet?
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The 16 mm specs is without keyboard, 20 mm with keyboard, 27 mm ~ 31 mm (aproximately because the leather wallet form is not uniform).
Regards!

Thanks
Thanks much. Seems pretty big. I wonder if it will fit in my shirt pocket...

Not unless you're on the 'large' side. I can only just get it in the big pockets on my combat style trousers. 'Tis a beast for sure!

not going to be the phone for me.
I hate to say it. I've been lusting after this thing since I heard it might be coming to tmo usa. But if it is as big as I think it is, I wouldn't be able to carry it on my person. That 5 inch screen is probably going to be too much of a good thing for me. I would have happily settled for 4.

thinking on the same lines
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I hate to say it. I've been lusting after this thing since I heard it might be coming to tmo usa. But if it is as big as I think it is, I wouldn't be able to carry it on my person. That 5 inch screen is probably going to be too much of a good thing for me. I would have happily settled for 4.
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I feel the same way, when i first saw this device (heard the announcements about availability on T-Mobile in the UK) i was well excited and pleased, but then i did a thourough study regarding the size, including measuring my old diary which strangely seems to be about the size of the ameo in its case. I gave it some deep thought like "Gavin do you seriously think you can carry that around?, and the fact that you need a headset", hmmm will wait to hear about how others are getting along, especially after a few more weeks or months down the line. Ameo/ Athena users would like to hear more about:
1) You and your device on a daily basis, where do you carry it, and how do you use it? on a table/ lap/ other?
2) How is the keyboard getting along, or maybe you are using some other input methods?
3) What about calls are you using a wired headset or bluetooth stereo?
Just general impressions from owners over the last 3 weeks ( i know its not been long, sorry)

The Weight...
It is also 375 grams. The wizard is 150 grams. It weighs 250% MORE than a wizard....

bandersnatch said:
It is also 375 grams. The wizard is 150 grams. It weighs 250% MORE than a wizard....
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Where to begin after 2 weeks of owning an Ameo....happy. Yes very happy!
I would never have contemplated doing the things I do with the Ameo that I probably couls have done with previous devices owned (JasJar, Hermes, Prophet, Wizard, Xda Mini and Xda IIi....and others).
The Ameo can do what all these devices put together couldn't do.
TV out is quite a treat and allows everything to be displayed on virtually any other type of display that supports S-Video, Composite or VGA.
The USB host functionality allows a FULL PC USB keyboard or mouse (with pointer) to be used.....and it works extremely well!
Remote Desktop (WM6 version) is a joy to use on the Ameo...a smaller screen just would't be up to the Job. Whilst I'm having problems connecting to my own PC, I am easily and quickly connecting to my wife's XP Pro PC via RDP. It is truly astounding and responsive. You literally see and operate the XP PC as you would through your native monitor hooked up to your desktop PC.
Movie Playback when the occasion calls for it is pure eye candy if your using a DVD Rip. Sheer quality!
The speakers are no sound system but prove to be worthy of being best-in class from my experience of PPC devices to date. It is loud and NOT tinny or hollow.
WM5 is no faster than any other 520Mhz device I have used....but that will change when we can upgrade to WM6.
WMLive (from WM6) works seemlessly and beautifully and you even get a Message tone and visual notification of incoming Instant messages or Voice clips...if on-line at the time of incoming message. It's fast and works very well for me.
Wisbar Advance 2 completely changes the look and feel of the device and this is where standard VGA as opposed to ozVGA comes into its own for me, as the font size is just right for me and the cascading start menu etc works well with this size screen.
The Screen. Yes the screen is amazing.....and if screen real estate is tht important to some...you instantly have a choice of a host of resolutions if using RDP to XP/Vista and there are tweaks such as ozVGA and others if you really need it in the WM O/S.
The keyboard....NOT impressed in the slightest! I much prefer the keyboard on the Universal. With that I can type up a book if need be in comparison to the non-tactile feedback of the keyboard buttons on the Athena....but it's not a major issue for me as I am usually at a desk where this problem is much alleviated by a steady base on which to place the Ameo. Full size USB keyboard and mouse come into their element here with the standard non-supplied 4-1 cable.
The Ameo is a great GPS device with a screen large and clear enough to rival the biggest dedicated in-built GPS systems in top-spec luxury or performance cars. I'm not complaining.
Dual TV screen for GPS, Movies or internet surfing using HSDPA whilst travelling a few hundred miles with the kids is great. The possibilities are staggering.
I won't go on.....because the Ameo has much more to offer IMHO. I was considering a Sony UX UMPC, now I've got the Ameo, forget it. I've got me direct access to a powerhouse desktop PC where I can edit videos download torrents and other large files directly to my home or office PC whilst retaining the enhanced Mobile telephony functions of this baby via a tiny BT earpiece.
Call quality is excellent and I'm able to receive calls whilst on wi-fi or GPRS/3G/HSDPA...but this is sometimes temperamental. The new HTC Shift will be the new king, but for me, I'll be sticking with the barely pocketable Ameo.
Yes it's larger than any other device called a Pocket PC, but then this is far more than the sum of its or any other devices parts.
Did I mention that the on-board 3megapixel camera was the best I have come across in any PPC? and that it far surpassed my expectations? Well it has, enough so that I no longer need to carry another camera around at any time.
Long live the Athena....you could do worse....but I doubt you'll do better for quite some time. It just comes down to what you're comfortable with.
For your information....I carry mine without Leather casing or keyboard happily in my front or rear jeans pocket or inside suit pocket....but it actually fits with everything together aswell, but then it is a tight squeeze.
Hope my long boring post helps some of you to stick to your original decision and get one...you won't regret it...but if not..why not try one for a week and return it to your supplier if your not happy with it.

Very good and informative post. Thanks for sharing your opinion.

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Very good and informative post. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
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Thanks for the positive feedback.
@ All....Additionally thanks to Eagle1 I can now connect to all PC's in my office/home from my Ameo via wi-fi!! Great stuff....HSDPA - Home network is next on the Agenda.
This device is become more and more like a UMPC, but without the ability to play movies or games....but that can be done natively through WM5 and a PSP if one is that way enclined.

Well, looks really like a cool device, was waiting for a VGA, GPS, fast processor, WM6 with keyboard for a loooong time...
but first what i did was look for the size of Qtek 9000, which had all that, but could not have it (had it for testing for 2 weeks), since it was too heavy and big for a device that i carry with me all the time...
If it was only a little lighter and smaller.... the HP 4700 screen was more then big enough for PDAs, think it was 4", and bigger device then that (also fatter) just does not get me. But the features are perfect, they just need to squeeze it into 4"vga, 250g max. and then ill be running into the store looking for it.. untill then whoever buys it, hope you enjoy it, it looks really like the best pda out now..

But here is somthing that catches my eye...
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_7150-1882.php
is this a HTC product? and if, anyone knows their version of this phone?
a VGA 3.5 + keyboard , secondary display outside so you dont have to open the pda if getting a call ...
now thats a heart breaker for me

As far as I know, it's not a HTC product...

Moskus said:
As far as I know, it's not a HTC product...
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it's not, iMate is no longer partner of HTC, this device is made by also a Taiwanese company, but not HTC.

papizdono said:
But here is somthing that catches my eye...
http://www.gsmarena.com/i_mate_ultimate_7150-1882.php
is this a HTC product? and if, anyone knows their version of this phone?
a VGA 3.5 + keyboard , secondary display outside so you dont have to open the pda if getting a call ...
now thats a heart breaker for me
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I took a look at this, but was disappointed that it does not support SDHC, which means I can't have wikipedia and lots of MP3 music with me.
I understand that HTC is the one designing and manufacturing the i_mate (please check this out yourself from wikipedia under HTC). HTC in fact designs and manufactures just about everyone's PDA including Dell's, HP's, etc. but they just put in other's labels until recently when they starts to use their own HTC label.

eaglesteve said:
I took a look at this, but was disappointed that it does not support SDHC, which means I can't have wikipedia and lots of MP3 music with me.
I understand that HTC is the one designing and manufacturing the i_mate (please check this out yourself from wikipedia under HTC). HTC in fact designs and manufactures just about everyone's PDA including Dell's, HP's, etc. but they just put in other's labels until recently when they starts to use their own HTC label.
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that is only true about 4 months ago, now HTC don't design and manufacture for iMate anymore, it's done by another taiwanese company (can't remember the name).

wu5262 said:
that is only true about 4 months ago, now HTC don't design and manufacture for iMate anymore, it's done by another taiwanese company (can't remember the name).
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I see... Thanks for the updated info, Wu.

Nokia E90 or Athena ?

I have had the t-mobile Ameo now for 12+ mths and was thinking of
upgrading to the nokia E90, just wondered what peoples thoughts were of this phone
i.e call quality, reception, screen etc....
Thanks

if you like windows mobile then stick with windows mobile, if you prefer symbian then go with the e90 as it's got a better screen and it's more portable. I'm kind of into symbian at the moment, and i've always thought nokia's are good in terms of reception and sound quality. Invariably it boils down to if you're familiar with windows mobile to the extent that you could ever get by with anything else. I think there are more applications on windows mobile and a bigger development group but if you're only going to be browsing, calling, texting, listing to music and watching videos i think you'll definitely be better off with the e90. That's only my opinion though

E90
You'll find nothing on E90
extremely slow
not good sound Quality
not good camera ( smilar with N80 )
built! in but not working GPS ( crazy tomtom )
but
Good screen resolution and colours, some usable applications and some portable than X7500.
Not very portable...
he have 4" screen...
No tv out
yes that's it.
not anymore.
If I was you...
I will never do that for an E90
You may checkt it by your self
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone2=1857&idPhone1=1887

Thanks for replys
the link was very helpfull on compareing the 2

cryptkiller said:
Thanks for replys
the link was very helpfull on compareing the 2
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Equancy, your criticisms are unfounded, and that GSMArena article seems to favour the E90 to me.
The E90 is NOT slow - where did you get this information?
Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this.
Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
clamshell design protects the screen, therefore a case is not necessary (though advised). In the event of a catastrophic bump the screen will not be damaged.
There is nothing wrong with the camera. Ok, it's not as fast as a Sony Ericsson cybershot camfone but it's a hell of a lot better than the Athena's laggy specimen - and has VGA 25fps video recording.
The Athena however has a big screen and is a powerful windows mobile device. I re-iterate, if you LIKE windows mobile, have lots of software and don't wish to get a Symbian device then don't bother with the E90. I don't wish to debate the advantages of each operating system as it's about what you prefer, but the Athena and E90 both have varying advantages and disadvantages which you'll need to weigh up when you come to upgrade.
Check THIS link for a more descriptive comparison

IMHO nothing! beats the athena so far. The E90 will and cannot give you any feeling of "upgrading"! Allthough high res, the screen is much smaller than the athenas, and nothing to watch movies on f.ex. how many 3rd party programs can you get your hands on for it? 5?! Its not a usb host, doesnt have tv-out, its TI OMAP2420 processor running at 330 MHz is only about half of the athenas intel, as a gps its screen is simply not the right shape "very wide and very short", hell, even the fact that on this very forum you can get a ROM which kicks ass so much more than anything symbian ever coughed up should be enough and it doesnt even have a touch screen..
And if you wonder about leoni1980's objectivity just do a search on his username on this forum and do a few min of reading.

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N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?
You've read reviews so good.
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Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!
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Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..
2-Oh come on! have you tried him GPS? I guess no...
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Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...
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Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here
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Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...
Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.

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IMHO nothing! beats the athena so far. The E90 will and cannot give you any feeling of "upgrading"! Allthough high res, the screen is much smaller than the athenas, and nothing to watch movies on f.ex. how many 3rd party programs can you get your hands on for it? 5?! Its not a usb host, doesnt have tv-out, its TI OMAP2420 processor running at 330 MHz is only about half of the athenas intel, as a gps its screen is simply not the right shape "very wide and very short", hell, even the fact that on this very forum you can get a ROM which kicks ass so much more than anything symbian ever coughed up should be enough and it doesnt even have a touch screen..
And if you wonder about leoni1980's objectivity just do a search on his username on this forum and do a few min of reading.
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I have no axe to grind, and if you'd READ my previous post you'd see that I said it's about choice.
Some people don't need a tv output. I've had it on two devices and never used it. USB host is useful if you wish to plug card readers or USB infrared readers into your device but not much use for viewing movies from as it's only USB 1.1. On the subject of movies, although the E90's screen is smaller the fact that it plays movies better counts for something.
On occasion I have been very frustrated with Windows Mobile, but on the whole I've mellowed. I still own a Hermes and still like to tweak it: I follows Schapp's updates and like finding new applications to use. I liked the Athena's screen and I liked typing messages with Fingertouch on the screen.
All I was saying is that the two devices will be right or wrong for you depending on needs. If you NEED a big screen then the Athena is the one to go for. If you NEED tv out ditto. It also has more developers on its case, but I would SUGGEST that the Nokia would be a better choice for multimedia purposes and possibly browsing (so long as you don't mind the smaller screen). If you want more of a data centric/input device, maybe something for stocks and shares and E-book reading with ready-to-go memory then the Athena will be a better choice.
It's not about how many extras a device has on it so much as which of those extras you actually need, and how good you need them to be.
I judge this from experience, and [email protected] I wonder how I can possibly be unobjective if I currently own both a Windows Mobile device AND a series 60 device. Do YOU own both?

EQUANCY said:
N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?
You've read reviews so good.
but lets take a look...
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Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!
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Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..
2-Oh come on! have you tried him GPS? I guess no...
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Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...
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Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here
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Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...
Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.
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yeah!!! very glad to see some enthusiasm about the Athena!!

EQUANCY said:
N95 has a gps antenna but who can say ıs that perfect?
You've read reviews so good.
but lets take a look...
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Music quality on all Nokias is very good in my opinion, though whether you like the software is down to personal choice. Athena also has good music applications available for download.
1-I don't know where you get this informations from but actually + exactly NOT! not all nokias by exm: N80,n90,E65,6300 I can write much more...
also E90 has very loud en noised speakers!
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Speakerphone is also good - this applies to most of the newer Nokia plines. although the speaker on the Athena is also pretty good. GPS is fine - I don't know where you sourced your information - and has support for A-GPS. It works with a number of GPS applications including googlemaps and Routefinder and even supports Geocaching. There is no Tomtom support at present, but unless you rely on Tomtom you will not be fazed by this..
2-Oh come on! have you tried him GPS? I guess no...
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Browser is a safari derivative and is faster than Pocket Internet Explorer. It also requires less scrolling since the screen resolution is higher. The greater depth of colour and soon to be released Flashlite 3.0 with full flash support will only improve the internet experience. Hardware includes category 6 HSDPA support (3.6mbps as opposed to Athena's 1.8max)
3- Have you any Idea about opera on pocketpc? yes ınternet explorer not so good but he uses less ram, who have 3,6 mbps internet? so you must be so rich...
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Support for word and excel editing, and bluetooth keyboards.
internet radio plugin.
FM Radio with station download support.
4- Comment not necessary. I don't understand why you wrote here
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Superb video support with no need to re-encode (with coreplayer). although the Athena has a graphics chip it is not supported, bizarrely so video performance isn't as good as it could've been.
5-Px270 also have video encoding function and I can watch DVD-9 movies, but E90 I don't think so.
You read reviews in a Symbian web site what do you waiting for.
Results makes me not amazed.
I don't talk about:
Perfect GPS, fully funcitonal touchscreen, perfect camera, SDHC support, remote desktop, TV-out, Radio, 8 gb hdd Linux support...
Now you can continue with your ( or not ) E90 but i'm still with X7500
Regards.
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Dear God - have you been taking lessons in eloquency???
I hadn't noticed that the site was Symbian until you pointed it out to me - It was the first thing that came up on Google. Its points seemed fair to me though.
"I can watch DVD-9 movies"
"perfect camera"
"Linux support"
May I just say that based on your comments thus far I don't respect your opinion, and I hope that the people on this forum can contribute some genuine and reasoned criticism.

you didnt notice that a page called "allabout symbian" was a symbian suported site???

I have had both symbian and wm devices during the years. At the moment I own three wm6 devices, touch, tytn II and athena and I think it might continue to be like that ;-)

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I have had both symbian and wm devices during the years. At the moment I own three wm6 devices, touch, tytn II and athena and I think it might continue to be like that ;-)
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Well at least you're not spouting rubbish. I don't think my argument was unjust and yes, I was a bit of a berk for not noticing that the site was a symbian one....

On the topic of screen, I like Athena's shape better. It's good for both portrait and landscape. I think E90's screen is not suitable for portrait use.

eaglesteve said:
On the topic of screen, I like Athena's shape better. It's good for both portrait and landscape. I think E90's screen is not suitable for portrait use.
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You've got a point. To be honest I like Athena's screen better. I had the E90 for just over a month in November and got chance to have a good play on it. I liked the fact that the resolution was so high and that the screen was protected but overall I prefer a large screen - who doesn't? I think i'd put video performance above screen size if judged soley on multimedia, but not in other aspects.
I'd LOVE to know how Equancy plays dual-layer discs on his Athena, wouldn't you Eaglesteve?
I think they each have their advantages.

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I judge this from experience, and [email protected] I wonder how I can possibly be nonobjective if I currently own both a Windows Mobile device AND a series 60 device. Do YOU own both?
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if you do as I advised to do a search on yourself on this forum, you'll see that VERY MANY of the posts is about you not liking, or not being satisfied with the Athena, and that you have gotten rid of it.
Your situation is that you simply don't need an Athena. You're happy with a N95 8gb whatever, thats fine, and you are probably excited about the E90 too, although I don't think you have extensive experience with it? but to "objectively" compare the E90 with the Athena is not plausible. You have to take all the specs and usability to consider any competition. And where the Athena is equal to most of E90 specs and functions, the X7500 has a lot of functions that the E90 simply doesn't posses at all
If all you needed was a N95, and to play around with the hermes.. superb!! I am happy you figured out what your user needs are!
It doesn't make you an objective voice though, that you didn't need an Athena with all its splendor...

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You've got a point. To be honest I like Athena's screen better. I had the E90 for just over a month in November and got chance to have a good play on it. I liked the fact that the resolution was so high and that the screen was protected but overall I prefer a large screen - who doesn't? I think they each have their advantages though.
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I'm a portrait user 99% of the time. In landscape, the device is harder to hold with my left hand, keyboard covers up too much of screen, and you're left with too little screen space, given that the task bar is longer. Only when watching movies and using GPS I like landscape better.

[email protected] said:
if you do as I advised to do a search on yourself on this forum, you'll see that VERY MANY of the posts is about you not liking, or not being satisfied with the Athena, and that you have gotten rid of it.
Your situation is that you simply don't need an Athena. You're happy with a N95 8gb whatever, thats fine, and you are probably excited about the E90 too, although I don't think you have extensive experience with it? but to "objectively" compare the E90 with the Athena is not plausible. You have to take all the specs and usability to consider any competition. And where the Athena is equal to most of E90 specs and functions, the X7500 has a lot of functions that the E90 simply doesn't posses at all
If all you needed was a N95, and to play around with the hermes.. superb!! I am happy you figured out what your user needs are!
It doesn't make you an objective voice though, that you didn't need an Athena with all its splendor...
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I do go through periods of frustration with Operating Systems in general. What I was feeling during previous posts does not necessarily hold true now. If you read and understood my posts in this thread you will see that I have weighed up the advantages and disadvantages of each device. In light of the predominantly negative attitude to the E90 in this thread, and taking into account that it is on a site wherein most contributers will soley own Windows Mobile devices I have taken a slant that leans more towards Symbian perhaps. The question from the poster though was:
I have had the t-mobile Ameo now for 12+ mths and was thinking of upgrading to the nokia E90, just wondered what peoples thoughts were of this phone i.e call quality, reception, screen etc...."
So far everyone has just slagged off the E90, despite the fact that they have never used it. Some people even seem to be getting angry that I present points in favour of the E90 (depending on what type of user you are), but I have presented good points in favour of the Athena too.
I would like confirmation from Cryptkiller of whether he was after adult, experienced comparisons or a Symbian/Windows Mobile slanging match. I may have only had the E90 briefly but it seems I have more room for constructive criticism than most here, aside from Eaglesteve who has provided sound comparisons based on what he KNOWS of the two devices.

well spoken leoni1980 hope our points of view have shed some light on cryptkillers situation.
I did see that you where weighing pros and cons by the way, just that the outcome of it all came off as being biased..
why N95 over a tytnII though?

[email protected] said:
well spoken leoni1980 hope our points of view have shed some light on cryptkillers situation.
I did see that you where weighing pros and cons by the way, just that the outcome of it all came off as being biased..
why N95 over a tytnII by the way?
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I'm due an upgrade and I MAY get the TyTn 2. I originally got an N95 on upgrade because I already had everything else. To be honest I thought it was a bit crap at first, then a firmware update made things better. Since christmas I've had the version 20 firmware which makes the camera and general performance great - it even improves battery life. There's loads of software available for mulltimedia and general fun pursuits - great Ngage games and this and this in the pipeline too!
I'll see how I feel next month I think...

My athena is gone!!!!

Hey guys,
i recently traded my belloved Athena for a Sony vaio UX 380N,
i used my Athena mostly to send pictures using pocket phojo
and read email and navigation, and for a pocket pc it worked like a dream,
no crashes, well the magnetic design was kinda akward for me
but all in all it was a great little machine, working on a umpc
is different though its slower but i benefit greatly since i have a
better display and a photo shop installed. For me having a device
with pc and ppc combined would be a dream come true.
What do you think?
Tito

isnt that a Shift? dream come true is possibly not the word for it though. pipedream come true? daydream come true? the problem is it came true and it's there if you really want it.......

Everybody is entitled to their own preferences for the gadgets they use. Frankly I love the viao more than the athena. It's small, it does have a phone and it works with a full windows xp. The downside is the price. USD 2k for a phone is too much for me. If a small screen fits well with you while using photoshop, that's also fine. Personally, I perfer a 21 inch or bigger screen when I do graphic intensive stuff like color separations. Good luck on your new gadget!!!

I work as a photojournalist and have to send daily asigments on loacation
or real time so carring a 20" imac or even a small laptop isnt really and option...

Let me know if you get bored of the UX380, I may trade you for a X7500

Tikej said:
I work as a photojournalist and have to send daily asigments on loacation
or real time so carring a 20" imac or even a small laptop isnt really and option...
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I suggest you look into the OQO model 02 it's a pretty cool gadget, just my 2 cent.

Pricey though.....

Tikej said:
Hey guys,
i recently traded my belloved Athena for a Sony vaio UX 380N,
i used my Athena mostly to send pictures using pocket phojo
and read email and navigation, and for a pocket pc it worked like a dream,
no crashes, well the magnetic design was kinda akward for me
but all in all it was a great little machine, working on a umpc
is different though its slower but i benefit greatly since i have a
better display and a photo shop installed. For me having a device
with pc and ppc combined would be a dream come true.
What do you think?
Tito
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You were using your GPS on your Athena before. You've given that up in the process?
How do you find the battery life of UX380N and its speed ? Do you listen your MP3 on it? What about your PIM? Is the lack of instant on capability a problem for you or no? Does it have a phone or are you having a separate smaller phone with MP3/GPS?
OQO Model 2 looks a lot sexier, but as you said the price is also much higher. I like its 5 inch 800x480 screen.

I was using gps on my Athena a lot, I also liked build in hsdpa modem a lot,
sure ux takes forever to boot and you can put it to sleep(crashes sometimes) but i dont know different tools all together. Mostly i like ux becouse its a regular pc and its more versatile if you ask me....

The better mobile PC is... my HOME/OFFICE PC
I have a vista mobile, an XP mobile, I just use the athena as mobile PC as 5' device to connect, via RDP or logmein.
THEN I have some movies, music, PIM and e-mail on-the go
Why Athena? Size matters for remote PCs

Well ive had it with Vista, i sold Vaio UX(with profit), i desided to go back to PPC and got a new Hp hx 4700 with wm 2003 and iam back to step one,
i had with umpc, giant PPCs(Athena, Qtek 9000 etc.), this baby is kinda unstable(use backup a lot) but it flys in Pocket Phojo and gps is way better
with an external antena(have one built it under the bonet). Iam waiting for
better device to use as a mobile editing station/navigation/office work,
i realized that smal screens (5" and smaller) and small keyboards just doesnt
work good in my hands. I prefer using OS X better than Win devices,
Macbook Air is lightweight but not really light or small enough,
so the search continues. Yeeezzz.....

OK -- what can I really use if for?

Please don't get me wrong -- I think the Shift represents a great advancement in UMPC technology. Having WM6 and WinVista (or WinXP) combined on 1 device is, IMHO, a super idea. And the form factor and build quality are very good. I'm impressed and, as Jenn at Pocketables pointed out, it's fun to use -- kind of grabs you. But unlike Jenn, I'm not ready to say I'll not part with it. I've liberated WM6 so I have as full a use of the WM6 side as I believe is so far available. I've got Vista humming, at least as much as the 1G RAM can live with. But if this is as far as I can go I don't see much more than another "gadget" to add to my collection. The 1G RAM limit is a show stopper -- slows the machine down and really limits what I can do in Vista. The 64MB limit in WM6, combined with inability to access the SD card slot (or even the USB slot) means my WM6 is crippled -- hardly any of what I'm accustomed to using can be routinely done. Throw in the 2 hr battery limitation in Vista -- it just isn't a very good "solution" for a road warrior.
I realize there are folks hard at work to improve on these and I commend them (and have contributed to the Shift Project) -- I really hope they succeed. But I have to say that what I'm looking at from HTC is, at best, a "beta" version -- they have so limited what's inside the box that it's hardly useful for anything. Considering the growing competition I doubt HTC will hold much share of this market.

agree
Huib

Interesting comments and many agree with. Given the amount of information available on the net about this device, and its limitations including SnapVue, battery etc etc, what motivated you to buy it? It seems to be a mismatch to me re. your requirements. I bought it even knowing all these things as it matched my needs.
A road warrior it is not. A media powerhouse it is not. A tiny portable always on email and document viewer/editor, plus web browser it is. I get 2.5hrs on Vista browsing the web - same as almost every other laptop I've ever owned, so I'm not surprised really...altho again, Vista leaves much to be desired in this respect - a spinning hard drive kills batteries.
I agree with you regarding the things they didn't get right - SnapVue is just silly right out of the box and Vista is a mistake. HTC really fvcked up there.
This device kind of reminds me of the Sony C1V picturebook I had (with that horrible Crusoe processor - if you think this chip is slow, that thing was lifeless)...awesome for what I wanted but that's where it stops...it doesn't extend beyond that and I'm comfy with that.
To answer the question, I use my Shift when I travel. I used to take my HX4700 but bluetooth 3G connection was slow, Opera was slow for browsing and the screen too small really. I had a b/tooth key board which was OK but another piece of kit that needed batteries and sync'ing etc etc. Now I carry a v. small bag with me when away and it holds the Shift, power packs, Archos 504, headphones and a few other bits and bobs...all I need. On planes I can type my reports in Mobile Word, sync it to Vista and tart them up and send. In hotels I can surf the web at my own pace on HSDPA with it plugged in to AC (on high performance setting). I can adjust my webpage using filezilla etc etc....basically all the things I couldn't do on the HX4700 (which I now use as a support device for the Archos, and as a GPS)....the Shift really filled my requirements. I almost bought the Fujitsu U1010 but the ones here didn't have 3G built in and the keyboard was harder to use that the Shift.
Next version, should HTC shift (no pun intended) enough of these first ones, should ideally have:
1. Higher res screen
2. Bigger hard disk
3. SnapVue fully functional with SD card, WiFi access etc etc
4. XP as an option
5. A battery compartment that allows for an extended one to be added
Aside from that, I still like my Shift and use it almost everyday...

FOOFTR said:
Interesting comments and many agree with. Given the amount of information available on the net about this device, and its limitations including SnapVue, battery etc etc, what motivated you to buy it? It seems to be a mismatch to me re. your requirements. I bought it even knowing all these things as it matched my needs.
A road warrior it is not. A media powerhouse it is not. A tiny portable always on email and document viewer/editor, plus web browser it is. I get 2.5hrs on Vista browsing the web - same as almost every other laptop I've ever owned, so I'm not surprised really...altho again, Vista leaves much to be desired in this respect - a spinning hard drive kills batteries.
I agree with you regarding the things they didn't get right - SnapVue is just silly right out of the box and Vista is a mistake. HTC really fvcked up there.
This device kind of reminds me of the Sony C1V picturebook I had (with that horrible Crusoe processor - if you think this chip is slow, that thing was lifeless)...awesome for what I wanted but that's where it stops...it doesn't extend beyond that and I'm comfy with that.
To answer the question, I use my Shift when I travel. I used to take my HX4700 but bluetooth 3G connection was slow, Opera was slow for browsing and the screen too small really. I had a b/tooth key board which was OK but another piece of kit that needed batteries and sync'ing etc etc. Now I carry a v. small bag with me when away and it holds the Shift, power packs, Archos 504, headphones and a few other bits and bobs...all I need. On planes I can type my reports in Mobile Word, sync it to Vista and tart them up and send. In hotels I can surf the web at my own pace on HSDPA with it plugged in to AC (on high performance setting). I can adjust my webpage using filezilla etc etc....basically all the things I couldn't do on the HX4700 (which I now use as a support device for the Archos, and as a GPS)....the Shift really filled my requirements. I almost bought the Fujitsu U1010 but the ones here didn't have 3G built in and the keyboard was harder to use that the Shift.
Next version, should HTC shift (no pun intended) enough of these first ones, should ideally have:
1. Higher res screen
2. Bigger hard disk
3. SnapVue fully functional with SD card, WiFi access etc etc
4. XP as an option
5. A battery compartment that allows for an extended one to be added
Aside from that, I still like my Shift and use it almost everyday...
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i agree and htc should also use SSD's to save more power and they should make sure they announce the correct specs.

FOOFTR said:
Interesting comments and many agree with. Given the amount of information available on the net about this device, and its limitations including SnapVue, battery etc etc, what motivated you to buy it? It seems to be a mismatch to me re. your requirements. I bought it even knowing all these things as it matched my needs.
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Point well taken -- I should have added that my comments were stated with the proverbial tongue in cheek. I was well aware of the Shift's limitations and purchased one out of curiosity -- I've followed it since its initial announcement and had cancelled my preorder after seeing the limitations being documented. But I saw this one on ebay for several hundred $ less than retail and decided to look at it for myself.
I agree with the suggestions made and really hope HTC listens (if they decide to stay in the UMPC market -- that's not a "for sure" thing). I've tried five different UMPC's as well as the Sony TZ "subnotebook" and have yet to find what I think I'm after -- a truly business capable device small enough for my purposes (and that's really subjective, I know) yet powerful enough to replace my usual notebook (13.3" XPS). I knew the Shift wouldn't do this -- its very short battery life is a show stopper although I could carry an external battery pack. But the limited RAM and the very limited usefulness of SnapVu make it relatively useless to me so I'll end up ebaying it.
I'd hoped to generate more discussion in the hope that collective experience and wisdom would prove useful to the UMPC market.

There are some very interesting viewpoints here.
I purchased mine after following the news stories for months. I purchased it the moment it was available in the UK and paid nearly £900.
I knew the limitations, but had to buy one of these! It gets used a lot in our house. And I am always doing things to it. It's leberated and its dual boot with XP.
I use it to tinker with, watch movies and surfing. The wife loves it too and surfs on the sofa while watching the tele, she prefers it to any of the laptop we have because of the size. My daughter took it away for the weekend recently too so she could surf. Its such a versitile device. And most of all, PEOPLE STARE AT IT ON THE TRAIN/PLANE WHEN I'M ON BUSINESS!!! I don't really use the liberated Snapvue, I don't need to when its dual boot.
If I had a wish list, I would love to see an SSD in it and another 1GB RAM. The processor is fine for what I use it for, so I have no grumbles there.
My eldest daughter wants it for school, so it'll be used for that full time in September when she is a year 10.
I do understand that to some people its limited in its application, but for us as a family, its one of the better toys we've purchased (and we buy a lot of techy toys/gadgets!) The joys of working in IT means I am addicted to buying new toys!
I'm actually sat here in the garden using HSDPA typing this. Apart from a couple of phones, I don't have another device with this ability. why be inside when its such a sunny evening!

benktlottie said:
TIt's liberated and its dual boot with XP...... I don't really use the liberated Snapvue, I don't need to when its dual boot.
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What do you mean by "dual boot"? I have mine liberated but I'm not sure it dual boots?
Thanks!

brucewilsonpa said:
What do you mean by "dual boot"? I have mine liberated but I'm not sure it dual boots?
Thanks!
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Same here, I have dual boot, as in when powered up it asks whether you want to boot Vista or XP. Next stop, triple boot with Linux installed too, although that will be cutting it a bit fine for hard drive space.

Bruce, I think your comments, and the general community's will help deliver better products...I think they're constructive for sure.
I don't like it when people say product X sucks when indeed product X is not designed to do the very things they are comparing it against. I have read so many appalling reviews of the Shift - I'm ceratin 50% of the people won't have even used one...a classic is when someone said "the poky keyboard makes you wish for full size keyboard real estate..." - um, one cannot have a 7" screen device with an 18" keyboard...get real and take the device in the context it is meant for - maybe that's it, they cannot get their head around indeed what context this device resides/exists in. Maybe because they do not have a need for such a device it must be a failure? I mean, I don't need a concrete mixer so reviewing one would be pointless, and I'd end up saying things like "it doesn't sound as nice as my NAD stereo" - maybe they're the same.
Ah Pantaloonie, was loading XP as easy as booting from an XP disc/ISO (tablet I assume)? Thanks...

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Ah Pantaloonie, was loading XP as easy as booting from an XP disc/ISO (tablet I assume)? Thanks...
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Yup, almost that easy. Use Vista to partition off a few Gigs for XP, install XP, then use a Vista disc to repair the mbr so you can get back into Vista.
Then use VistaBootPro to create a boot menu.
I didn't use tablet edition at the time, and can't be bothered to go back and do it again; maybe next time I'm really bored I will.

FOOFTR said:
Maybe because they do not have a need for such a device it must be a failure? I mean, I don't need a concrete mixer so reviewing one would be pointless, and I'd end up saying things like "it doesn't sound as nice as my NAD stereo" - maybe they're the same.
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Hi FOOFTR,
yes, I like your comparison. Made me laugh. And I think what you say is right in all sorts of contexts. You make up something that wasn't said or done in the first place and then you go on bashing it.
Thanks!
S.

Pantaloonie said:
Yup, almost that easy. Use Vista to partition off a few Gigs for XP, install XP, then use a Vista disc to repair the mbr so you can get back into Vista.
Then use VistaBootPro to create a boot menu.
I didn't use tablet edition at the time, and can't be bothered to go back and do it again; maybe next time I'm really bored I will.
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Thats what I did.
I Used BartPE to make a bootable usb stick with xp pro on it. stole 6gb from Vista and installed xp pro. Viola, dual boot Shift!

HTC HD2 or Toshiba TG01

Dear Member
I'm looking for a new mobile and i am bluffed and coffused.
Can you help me to choose between, please?
Thanks
Caim

HD2>>TG01.
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Thanks for your help.
Do you when he can avaible in France?

Caim said:
Thanks for your help.
Do you when he can avaible in France?
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HTC said they would start shipping the devices this week and should thus be available from most retailers next week.

Thanks for all.
I will take it.

Caim said:
Thanks for all.
I will take it.
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Good choice - you won't regret it and welcome to the forums!

I think the HD2 is better than the TG01 in most respects. The screen is slightly larger, it has more memory, the case is actually slightly smaller (despite the screen size), and HTC's "Sense" customisation is better than Toshiba's weird stripey GUI.
There are two reasons why you might prefer a TG01, though.
The first is if you need a resistive screen: for example, if you want to be able to easily use a stylus (or any convenient object that happens to come to hand) to press the screen with, or if you want to be able to use while wearing gloves; neither of these is possible on an HD2. Of course the HD2's screen being capacitive has an upside: it supports multi-touch, inluding pinch-to-zoom in some applications.
The other reason is if video playback is a big priority: the TG01 comes with a custom version of Coreplayer which is able to make use of GPU-acceleration; the commercial version of Coreplayer won't be able to do that on an HD2, so performance won't be as good.

Shasarak said:
I think the HD2 is better than the TG01 in most respects. The screen is slightly larger, it has more memory, the case is actually slightly smaller (despite the screen size), and HTC's "Sense" customisation is better than Toshiba's weird stripey GUI.
There are two reasons why you might prefer a TG01, though.
The first is if you need a resistive screen: for example, if you want to be able to easily use a stylus (or any convenient object that happens to come to hand) to press the screen with, or if you want to be able to use while wearing gloves; neither of these is possible on an HD2. Of course the HD2's screen being capacitive has an upside: it supports multi-touch, inluding pinch-to-zoom in some applications.
The other reason is if video playback is a big priority: the TG01 comes with a custom version of Coreplayer which is able to make use of GPU-acceleration; the commercial version of Coreplayer won't be able to do that on an HD2, so performance won't be as good.
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Don't get why people keep posting about coreplayer when the HD2 comes with its own dedicated player that supports avi playback natively.
The UI is also horrible.
Your first point is valid however.

Toss3 said:
Don't get why people keep posting about coreplayer when the HD2 comes with its own dedicated player that supports avi playback natively.
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Because it doesn't support any useful codecs like divx or xvid, which means it won't play most avi's.

Shasarak said:
Because it doesn't support any useful codecs like divx or xvid, which means it won't play most avi's.
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But you could just buy coreplayer for the HD2 if it doesn't - 30$ isn't that much if you really need it(especially when you consider the many other positive aspects the HD2 has over the tg01).
Btw. are you absolutely sure it won't play xvid and divx content?
http://www.cnet.com.au/htc-hd2-339298998.htm
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The HD2 features a wider range of media file codec support, now including XviD and DivX
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Toss3 said:
But you could just buy coreplayer for the HD2 if it doesn't - 30$ isn't that much if you really need it(especially when you consider the many other positive aspects the HD2 has over the tg01).
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Yes but the version you can buy and the version that comes pre-installed on the TG01 aren't the same. The TG01 version is able to benefit from GPU acceleration; the commercial version isn't. That's the important difference.

Shasarak said:
Yes but the version you can buy and the version that comes pre-installed on the TG01 aren't the same. The TG01 version is able to benefit from GPU acceleration; the commercial version isn't. That's the important difference.
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Well as you said yourself it won't really make a difference as the snapdragon is fast enough to handle the playback by itself.

Toss3 said:
Well as you said yourself it won't really make a difference as the snapdragon is fast enough to handle the playback by itself.
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Well, we'll see. It almost certainly will make a difference (as I also said before) when it comes to playing back video with a higher resolution than the screen and downscaling on the fly.

One more thing....
The PRICE. We just (3hrs ago) bought a TG01 for 149 pounds PAYG at an Orange store, you won't find the HD2 for even twice that price.

dave79 said:
The PRICE. We just (3hrs ago) bought a TG01 for 149 pounds PAYG at an Orange store, you won't find the HD2 for even twice that price.
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where was that mate?
edit: saw it online..

This may be a necropost but if you still haven't bought the device, here's something else that may have you prefer the TG01: Native USB Host functionality.
The TG01 ships with a cable that allows USB Host functionality in the box. You can plug in USB keyboards, mice, flash drives, controllers, etc. and use them. It has drivers for most of the devices.