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Any T-Mobile (UK) Web & Walk Users Out There?

I'm just changing my tarriff to one of T-Mobile's Web & Walk things to get unlimited internet access.
I've been told that I get unlimited GPRS connection (within fair use policy blah blah) but what I'm worried about (and this may be a totally stupid thing!) is 3G.
When I don't have WI-FI access I get a message saying connecting to internet "GPRS, 3G". If there's no GPRS in that area, will it connect to a 3G service - or is that just for video calling??
If it is another way of connecting, is that free also?? Or will I be stung?
My main concern is I've got apps that will automatically load up the internet, and I don't want to get a large bill if the connect to something they shouldn't. I've looked through the settings but can't see how I would delete such a connection.
I've tried to talk to someone at T-Mobile about that, but, they seem to know as much about it as me.

Mate when your not in an area that picks up a 3g signal,it will drop to umts normal signal
and you can call but can use extended services like video talking,the net etc

jaceuk said:
Mate when your not in an area that picks up a 3g signal,it will drop to umts normal signal
and you can call but can use extended services like video talking,the net etc
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So if I'm in a 3G area it will connect via that then? Ignoring the GPRS?
:-(

I may not be gettingthis right mate but I'm sure the gprs is provided over 3g.
when ever I'm not in a 3g area I can't connect anyother way
but when I'm in the 3g area content is available

jaceuk said:
I may not be gettingthis right mate but I'm sure the gprs is provided over 3g.
when ever I'm not in a 3g area I can't connect anyother way
but when I'm in the 3g area content is available
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Ahh, I think I know what you're saying, cheers, but that's not exactly what I meant
With a new tarrif that I'm joining I've been told I get free GPRS, but want to know if 3G would be included, or chargable, and if charged then how I can stop my phone from using 3G as I've no interest in video calling or owt like that anyway. Just call/text/simple web browsing.
Regards

I'm also using T-Mobile Web & Walk and yes, 3G is included in your unlimited data allowance. You can just allow your MDA to connect in whichever way it wants and you will not have to pay any additional data charges.

as has been said, all data is free if on web and walk BUT>>>>>
wap dial up isnt (will be listed as tmobile CS or similar in connections manager) these connections are charged at 'mobile on net' rates per minute that you are connected (or like when mine dialed up overnight costing £35 for 6 hours connection and less than 1mb of data )
GPRS is "2.5"G service as is EDGE, this data is billed per MB. this is included in WnW
3G data is just that, 3G. again billed per mb but also included in WnW
so as long as you dont use wap dialup (ive actually found the settings on my MDC2 and replaced some of the numbers with XXXX so that it can never physically dial up again anyway) then all your data calls, regardless of route will be included in your WnW price plan

That's fantastic news :-D
I know I would be worried, and checking the phone all hours to make sure otherwise (sad I know, but I'm tight... I admit it...)
I'll delete the WAP thing now... doubt I'll ever need it, never used it before.

jonajuna said:
will be listed as tmobile CS or similar in connections manager
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Sorry....
I can't find it :-/
I go Settings/Connections/Connections/Manage Existing Connections
But the only one listed is T-Mobile Internet...
is it as I'm using a T-Mobile NL ROM and it's not been installed? Or Am I in the wrong place?
Regards.

Web'n'Walk'n'Pay
I am on Web'n'Walk; for my £20 a month I can surf/email without further thought on whether it says 'G' or 'U' in the top banner. Free, included. And with MSN Mobile, I've emailed freely on Hotmail from around the world for around 30p a day. My only complaint is that if there is a sniff of 3G reception, the MDA Pro latches onto it and ignores the much better GPRS reception, leaving me to watch it give up and reconnect, only to sniff that 3G again...

I too got stung by an overnight WAP connection and the resultant £35 bill even though im on 'walk n web'. I rang customers services who correctly told me that GPRS connection is included but WAP connection excluded but as a 'good will' gesture they would deduct £15 from the bill.
So question - how do you delete/amend the wap connection?

Wop WAP
WAP... stands for Computer Remote Access Protocol... :lol:

Sorry for being so thick, but I never realized there was such a thing as a wap connection. Would someone be so kind as to how explain how to disable it? TIA!

If you want to connect using GPRS only then surely can't you just select GSM in Phone Options instead of UMTS or GSM+UMTS? Then the phone will be forced to connect to your 2.5G/2G internet services.

moghisi101 said:
If you want to connect using GPRS only then surely can't you just select GSM in Phone Options instead of UMTS or GSM+UMTS? Then the phone will be forced to connect to your 2.5G/2G internet services.
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WAP isn't a 3G service, so won't be exluded if you get rid of the UMTS will it? Anyone know how to put XXXX's in the number to stop it connecting?

t-mobile uk HSDPA and TYTN Issues, possible solution

Right, this is my second tytn and i have sent first one back last summenr because of HSDPA problems. problem was that when i use 3g connection to internet was (usually) broken and couldn't load anything at all but was ok in gsm mode. I thought htc might have fixed it so bought current TYTN but hey! problem is still there. While trying to sort out i noticed that if i disasble HSDPA 3g works fine. dont forget you will stick with standart 3 g speeds.
can any one confirm?

how do i know when im getting hsdpa as i never seem to get any speeds faster than around 29k which is around 3g speeds even with a full 3g signal although i do find internet access very very flaky still...
I am still running the standard t mobile settings, i havnt chaged the proxy settings which in some cases help a lot of people

id be more inclined to say its tmobile's end that isnt working correctly, my TyTN is working fine on HSDPA with O2-UK. Have you had your account enabled for using HSDPA????

Gavin01 said:
how do i know when im getting hsdpa as i never seem to get any speeds faster than around 29k which is around 3g speeds even with a full 3g signal although i do find internet access very very flaky still...
I am still running the standard t mobile settings, i havnt chaged the proxy settings which in some cases help a lot of people
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you need to call t-mobile and tell them you want to speak to technical support then tell them that you want to enable hsdpa on your line. in 30 mins you get it. but doesnt metter. if you have hsdpa in your area and your tytn enabled you might have problem without actually getting it
mrvanx
id be more inclined to say its tmobile's end that isnt working correctly, my TyTN is working fine on HSDPA with O2-UK. Have you had your account enabled for using HSDPA????
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i didn't know o2 has hspda network :S

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i didn't know o2 has hspda network :S
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Well it seems so, I checked online to make sure i wasnt spouting rubbish LOL! As in my sig i achieve ATLEAST 1.1mbps when im connected to and they did announce they would be trialing HSDPA in the isle of man (which they have the fixed aswell as mobile telecomms contracts) and they rollout would be to the latter of 2006?!? Ive managed these speeds since i got my USIM (early september).
If im SERIOUSLY mistaken then i apologise but its gotta be HSDPA since the practical achievable speeds on regular UMTS are around 300kbps right?

yes you're right. you can't achive 1mbit without hspda. i have an o2 sim. will try it

3G Data Connection Stopped Working?

Hi all,
I've got a T-Mobile Vario II, and basically the 2G and 3G data connection had been working great on it.
However, since about a week or two ago, I cannot get any 3G data connection. It would connect to the T-Mobile Internet service, but it won't actually load any webpage - it just keeps saying "Locating", as if the DNS is down or something.
But if I go to a non-3G-covered area, the 2G data connection works great.
T-Mobile don't think there is a problem at their end.
Any idea/advice please?
Thanks.

wywywywy said:
Hi all,
I've got a T-Mobile Vario II, and basically the 2G and 3G data connection had been working great on it.
However, since about a week or two ago, I cannot get any 3G data connection. It would connect to the T-Mobile Internet service, but it won't actually load any webpage - it just keeps saying "Locating", as if the DNS is down or something.
But if I go to a non-3G-covered area, the 2G data connection works great.
T-Mobile don't think there is a problem at their end.
Any idea/advice please?
Thanks.
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Had the same problem with mine, phone up t-mobile tech support and ask them to enable HSPDA on your account, they will tell you it will make no difference but get them to do it anyway, it worked for me and download speeds are 3 times faster than 3G

variotwo said:
Had the same problem with mine, phone up t-mobile tech support and ask them to enable HSPDA on your account, they will tell you it will make no difference but get them to do it anyway, it worked for me and download speeds are 3 times faster than 3G
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Also double check they have really enabled it using DSL Reports
http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1
you should expect 500+kb/s
There have been a couple of reports of them saying they will enable it but not really doing it!
Mike

HTC P3600 and Cingular

Sorry if this is a repost question guys, I searched but didn't come up with anything.
Anyway, I just ordered this phone and I'm pretty excited about it, my question is, I have Cingular and I was wondering if my area is 3G and I do have the upgraded 3G sim card, would the phone automatically detect these settings and work on 3G? Also will I have to configure anything to make the internet work via cingular?
Just another random question, how is the GPS on this phone? I know it's not a SiRFIII chip, but how does it compare? Thanks.

It should work fine unless your SIM is very old. Check 3G coverage map at Cingular website to see if your area has coverage. You will need to create wap or isp internet setting according to your data plan. Search here or Google for detailed information.
GPS is functional. It is certainly not as good as SIRF III, but has been working OK for me so far. It takes a bit longer to fix and reception is relatively weak compared to my Qtek G100. I noticed in my area G100 gets about 10 satellights at first fix while P3600 gets 5~6, and gradually gets more later on.

Thanks for the response, I checked out the cingular website and I found all the WAP and MMS settings so that's out of the way. Now I'm wondering something, if Wifi is enabled on the P3600 and I use IE, will it work off of the Wifi? and when wifi isn't enabled, will it work off cingular's internet? I don't have an unlimited data plan so I don't want it using cingular's internet when I have wifi enabled.

You'll probably need a 3G enabled sim card. I had to switch my card with Orange when I got my P3600.
I've been having some trouble on the Cingular network whilst I've been on holiday.
Vegas has been fine with 3G and HSDPA when I've used it. Drove up to Albuquerque and couldn't log on at all. I had to switch the phone settings to GSM only from auto and then it worked fine. That was for the whole 4 days I was there. Back in Vegas and back to normal on auto.

DaveUK said:
You'll probably need a 3G enabled sim card. I had to switch my card with Orange when I got my P3600.
I've been having some trouble on the Cingular network whilst I've been on holiday.
Vegas has been fine with 3G and HSDPA when I've used it. Drove up to Albuquerque and couldn't log on at all. I had to switch the phone settings to GSM only from auto and then it worked fine. That was for the whole 4 days I was there. Back in Vegas and back to normal on auto.
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Cingular left me a message to come in and change my sim card about 7 months ago and I got the sim card chagned, were they just upgrading me to a 3G sim? Is 3G really good voice quailty or something? Is it noticable?

i'm using Cingular with my Trinity (P3600) and all is working very well. i also have the Smartphone Connect (unlimited) internet plan. with this plan, i use internet connection sharing and tether to my laptop as a modem...when in a 3G area, i get very good through-put or internet speeds... when using wi-fi, all my internet explorer, email and other internet access is funneled through wifi. i'm also using GPS w/TomTom 6.03. from a cold start, i can get a satellite fix in 30-90 seconds, and once connected i have no problems. i'm very pleased with the GPS performance. overall i am very happy with my device; it is certainly a keeper until something cooler, faster and with more functionality comes along. that says a lot for me; until i got the Treo 750v and the Trinity, i'd have a new device every 60-90 days. i've had 750v for 7 months and the Trinity for 2 months.

cortezzi said:
i'm using Cingular with my Trinity (P3600) and all is working very well. i also have the Smartphone Connect (unlimited) internet plan. with this plan, i use internet connection sharing and tether to my laptop as a modem...when in a 3G area, i get very good through-put or internet speeds... when using wi-fi, all my internet explorer, email and other internet access is funneled through wifi. i'm also using GPS w/TomTom 6.03. from a cold start, i can get a satellite fix in 30-90 seconds, and once connected i have no problems. i'm very pleased with the GPS performance. overall i am very happy with my device; it is certainly a keeper until something cooler, faster and with more functionality comes along. that says a lot for me; until i got the Treo 750v and the Trinity, i'd have a new device every 60-90 days. i've had 750v for 7 months and the Trinity for 2 months.
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Sounds good, did you have to setup the WAP and MMS settings for cingular manually?

Just install this cab and it will set your settings for Cingular automatically.

RebelShadow said:
Just install this cab and it will set your settings for Cingular automatically.
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awesome, thanks!

vanydotk said:
Sounds good, did you have to setup the WAP and MMS settings for cingular manually?
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i did only because i have them memorized

internet problem?

hi, i have not had a smart phone before and am not to sure on how the bands work but think i have a problem.
my phone is from Virgin mobile and running 1.48 stock rom, manila and radio 2.05.
few questions i'd like to ask before you read what i think my problem is.
1. is the internet supposed to run off 3g when not on wifi?
2. is 3g faster than "H"?
my problem: 3g is active, data connection is off. i open opera (or anything else) and 3g trys to connect, 3g sign disappears and "H" appears. data connection is on and using "Virgin GPRS".
i called virgin mobile tech support and they said it is meant to go through gprs.. lie?
i called htc and they said they don't think it is a problem with my phone...
i have done a hard reset.
i think it is either the 3g doesn't work, or there is something really wrong with the settings, or virgin mobile makes it like this?
please help as i may want to return it if this causes a big problem for me.

Sunil_237 said:
hi, i have not had a smart phone before and am not to sure on how the bands work but think i have a problem.
my phone is from Virgin mobile and running 1.48 stock rom, manila and radio 2.05.
few questions i'd like to ask before you read what i think my problem is.
1. is the internet supposed to run off 3g when not on wifi?
2. is 3g faster than "H"?
my problem: 3g is active, data connection is off. i open opera (or anything else) and 3g trys to connect, 3g sign disappears and "H" appears. data connection is on and using "Virgin GPRS".
i called virgin mobile tech support and they said it is meant to go through gprs.. lie?
i called htc and they said they don't think it is a problem with my phone...
i have done a hard reset.
i think it is either the 3g doesn't work, or there is something really wrong with the settings, or virgin mobile makes it like this?
please help as i may want to return it if this causes a big problem for me.
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There's nothing wrong with the phone mate.
You've got GPRS (2G) and 3G which includes HSPDPA (and HSUPA). HSDPA is the fastest of those types, 3G slower, and GPRS the slowest. Your phone will try and use the best connection available, and that just depends on the coverage in your area (and how good the phone's reception is). If you're getting a strong and steady signal, I really wouldn't worry about it.
Basically, HSDPA is a faster version of 3G.

but my sisters 3g (on o2 iphone) is faster (by a lot... and then some) than mine.
ran the same video on youtube (wifi disabled) and she got done in a matter of seconds while i was buffering mid stream
with the coverage checker i ran before i got the phone it said my area was "very good" and i get 3 bars usually.
o it is connecting through gprs not HSPDPA, in the connections screen it shows "Virgin GPRS"

Sunil_237 said:
but my sisters 3g (on o2 iphone) is faster (by a lot... and then some) than mine.
ran the same video on youtube (wifi disabled) and she got done in a matter of seconds while i was buffering mid stream
with the coverage checker i ran before i got the phone it said my area was "very good" and i get 3 bars usually.
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All I can say is that she must have a better signal with O2 than you have with Virgin.

Sunil_237 said:
hi, i have not had a smart phone before and am not to sure on how the bands work but think i have a problem.
my phone is from Virgin mobile and running 1.48 stock rom, manila and radio 2.05.
few questions i'd like to ask before you read what i think my problem is.
1. is the internet supposed to run off 3g when not on wifi?
2. is 3g faster than "H"?
my problem: 3g is active, data connection is off. i open opera (or anything else) and 3g trys to connect, 3g sign disappears and "H" appears. data connection is on and using "Virgin GPRS".
i called virgin mobile tech support and they said it is meant to go through gprs.. lie?
i called htc and they said they don't think it is a problem with my phone...
i have done a hard reset.
i think it is either the 3g doesn't work, or there is something really wrong with the settings, or virgin mobile makes it like this?
please help as i may want to return it if this causes a big problem for me.
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1) Yes
2) No. H is a faster type of 3G.
My only worries with Virgin and 3G are wether they cap the actual download bandwidth available to handsets at 384kbps (despite the phone connecting with HSDPA - I had this problem with T-Mobile), wether they cap the upload speed at 44kbps and wether they block the Skype ports.
The connection name, Virgin GPRS, is just the name they gave to their data connection when they setup your phone. It could actually say anything you want if you change the settings in the phone.

Sunil_237 said:
but my sisters 3g (on o2 iphone) is faster (by a lot... and then some) than mine.
ran the same video on youtube (wifi disabled) and she got done in a matter of seconds while i was buffering mid stream
with the coverage checker i ran before i got the phone it said my area was "very good" and i get 3 bars usually.
o it is connecting through gprs not HSPDPA, in the connections screen it shows "Virgin GPRS"
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It's possible that she has a better signal than you but I find that 3G coverage on O2, especially HSDPA coverage is generally significantly worse than coverage on T-Mobile (Virgin use their network).
However it could also be that the bandwidth is capped at a pretty low level on Virgin (3G rather than HSDPA despite the symbol), which I mentioned in my previous post.

o ok. ok ok. ok lol satisfied with some logical and knowledgable answers.
i believe they will have capped the data rate then (i haven't had signal problems for 7 years now on 4 different providers and the coverage map showed a very good signal for 3g here), if you can provide me with an app which would test.. o maybe speedtest.net may work i'll try them now and let you know.