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T-Mobile to have 3G by Summer

Well, according to Boy Genius Report T-mobile will be rolling out their 3G network by summer 2008 which is long overdue. What I'm curious about is how this will affect current users and rates. Will I have to buy a new phone or will my wing be able to use the new 3G network? Will the data rates go up or change from unlimited? Anybody heard any information on this?

Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.

will this affect the sucky EDGE??...
will they finish before AT&T?!
will it mean more stability in the connections??
will living near an airport mean you'll still get knocked off when a plane flies overhead??
who knows!.. but we will definitely find out sooner or later, right?

ivanmmj said:
Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
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Awesome! Hopefully I'll be able to stream some decent videos and data on my wing once 3G comes around! Edge sucks when it comes to that. Appriciate the info!

But I thought the Wing is not 3G capable.

it would only make sense that the 2g network and equipment will still work until everyone has slowly migrated over to the new 3g network and the first phones would work on both networks.

ivanmmj said:
.... But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)....
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I wanted the Tilt so damn bad I was almost willing to switch providers, but when I found out I could get a Wing for 79 bucks I stuck with T-Mo, thinking I'd wait ANOTHER year for them to roll out 3g. I would just have to buy a Kaiser if they came out with one that wasn't hobbled. (Can't someone put a 624mhz processor, and a decent amount of RAM in one of these? Is that too much to ask?)
Ya' know, maybe I should rethink that. I used a Psion 5 for years before switching to an iPAQ 2215, then a 2755-- all the while thinking: "Man, if I could get a keyboard, phone and Pocket PC rolled into one, that would be the best!"
I've had a Wing for a couple of months and I don't honestly recall one time that I've used the keyboard. Of course, it's keyboard is a piece of junk compared to the Psion 5's, but using the iPAQ's for so long conditioned me into a stylus typist.
I really have high hopes for Firefox portable on 3g though. This summer?--- well, I guess we've all heard that before!

I have heard different things, i surfed the net and these forums and i still get different things. all i wanna know is, is the wing compatible with the new 3G network coming out this summer?

No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.

mv3 said:
No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..

cangri87 said:
haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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By the time T-mobile has their 3/3.5G..3.5+??.. network up and running smoothly.. HTC might well have a better and much sexier phone than the TyTn II....and from what I could tell the MDA Vario III is higher model of it than the original :O..unlike the Tilt which is a lower model but has this 1 advantage over it's big brother.. hope T-Mobile doesnt water down the Vario III before it gets over here, or should I say if?...and a maybe $300-$500 price tag for Vario III(via upgrade or contract and if they wait long enough it might be running a stock full, stable WinMobile 6.1 rather than buggy leaked one)versus $800+ for Kaiser? not to mention the still unsolved video drivers travesty with it :'(... new Touch Cruise and the P6500(Sedna) are pretty freaking sweet even compared to HTC's flagship TyTn II.
I actually love my phone enough that I might wait till next year for a phone with stock WinMobile 7 and all the freaky powers, motion sensor technology, and processors that phones running it are going to need. Those r going to make my Wing look like Razr! :'( I'll miss you Wing...btw, the TyTn II/Kaiser won't be able to run a lot of the previewed Windows Mobile 7 features either.

T-Mobiles 3G is slated to be substantially faster than AT&T's.
No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work, but I have a Hermes and I'm being locked out of my internet in South Florida due to 3G testing, so i'm assuming it will work when it's released since I'm hitting a firewall right now.
A t-mobile rep on that board said they are going to have new pricing, so it's most likely going to be more expensive.

Questions...
I wonder if the prices for the unlimited data plans will change for people who are already in contracts. I'm paying an extra $19.99/month for the Total Internet add-on right now. Guess I'll just have to wait and see...

The Wing has 3G just not the one that we think is compatible to the new network right?

vr24 said:
No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work
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Ummm, isnt Tmo's 3G supposed to be on the 1700 MHz band? That means the tilt etc wont work........

I'm hearing mixed things from everyone. I hope the wing will work but no one knows for sure.

Wing To Shift
im gonna change to the shift soon and hopefully i dont have problems with service

A T-Mobile wing is not a 3G phone so drop it and get a 3G phone

3g

I was just wondering if the tmo wing is 3g Capable?

macaraballojr said:
I was just wondering if the tmo wing is 3g Capable?
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I DONT THINK SO BUT ILL SEARCH AROUND I THINK ITS STILL A 2/2.5G PHONE

no if you look in the xda-wiki it dont even seem to support edge much less 3g

thnx a lot guys i just found out also that it does not...
do you know of n e htc devices that will support it?

tilt/kaiser supports it but i heard that there is a video driver conflict though even so its a good phone

I only supports up to EDGE.

Rudegar said:
no if you look in the xda-wiki it dont even seem to support edge much less 3g
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eature Summary (T-Mobile Wing™)
Bluetooth®: 2.0*
Auto pairing
Browser:
WAP 2.0
WAP 1.x
HTTP 1.1
SSL 3.0
EDGE: Class B
GPRS: Class R99
Synchronization: ActiveSync
USB Support
USB mass storage: not enabled by default
Wi-Fi
Messaging
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(IGNORE THE CAPS).

Can't wait ... I will most likely get the Kaiser. My buddy just bought one and I unlocked it for him. Sweet phone. Much much smoother

the tilt or any phone that doesnt have 1700mhz 3g wont work on t mobile. just so you know the mhz spectrum t mo is using for their 3g is exclusive to them, they paid alot of money for that privilege. so if youre getting a 3g phone to use with the upcoming tmo 3g you better make sure its compatible other wise youll be stuck on edge.

so there is nothing that can be done to the wing to make it connect to 3g

chris82o said:
so there is nothing that can be done to the wing to make it connect to 3g
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Nope, it's like asking if there's anything that can be done so that you can fly your car. Technically, with enough money, knowledge and skills YEA, lots of stuff... but realistically, no. Unfortunately, it's a hardware that's just not there.

What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?

taz357 said:
What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?
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Yes.... you need a different radio to pick up the 3G sig

taz357 said:
What?? is that the same for unlocked Herald too?
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An unlock Herald is like a car that has been converted to run on E85. Just because it can run regular petrol/gas or E85 doesn't mean it can fly. (Sorry, I'm in a metaphorical mood...)
But it just won't work.

at the moment there arent alot of phones that can run on tmo's 3g, and as far as i know theres no smart phone or ppc (official ones) that are capable using tmos 3g. but dont worry im sure theyre gonna surprise us with something. i personally am gonna try to wait until the android platform comes out before i jump on another $300+ phone.

HTC has the diamond on their site that is supposed to work with the HSPDA network... the 2100 band even... you think they will be selling that to us?

neoobs said:
HTC has the diamond on their site that is supposed to work with the HSPDA network... the 2100 band even... you think they will be selling that to us?
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hmm... that'd be interesting... the Tmobile Diamond...

Thats A Phone Im Willing To Get

I can't find it in any US markets.... I think it was only in Europe... which is funny cause they say that the 900/2100 band is a Europe and Asia Band LOL

neoobs said:
I can't find it in any US markets.... I think it was only in Europe... which is funny cause they say that the 900/2100 band is a Europe and Asia Band LOL
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lol yea but i think the 1700 band was just released from the fcc
tmobile has it working in ny but not in a few places also that the 3g network isnt supposed to fully functional untill 2009 so we still have some time to go, so that means when the 3g phones come out ill get the full rebate for it
yay
but how did thiis thread become so out of topic
lol

T-mobile 3G Launch and The T-Mobile Wing

Whhhey first post lol!
I was curious (for wing users) as we all know that Tmobile has already launched it's 3G already maining because of the upcoming release of the G1. But does anyone have any idea IF we were to be upgraded also would there be something that we'd have to exchange on the phone or would this be some kind of firmware release. I hope it's a firmware or something because I would love to have 3G on my phone. Seeing the fact the we have the most expensive phone from Tmobile (Currently)... why shouldn't we.
I've heard that the performance in certain areas will still be lacky... but I still want to at least know that I have the option because I REEAAALLLY don't care for the look of the G1... just not my cup of tea lol. It's too obviously a copy of the Iphone. I was glad to get my Wing because it looks different... don't get me wrong... the memory is a pain sometimes but I rather has a rare-ish phone than seeing ever ****, tom and harry out with the same phone saying "Yo I have one too, bro! lol"

The G1 looks nearly exactly like the Wing.
The Wing will never have 3G. It just lacks the hardware.

I really am thinking about getting the G1 and still keep my wing for flashing and testing!

thats what im going to do.. I have two wings so i might sell one of them.. I already ordered the G1.. So im excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want the HTC HD... *saluvating*

I actually decided to order it today lol... I know, I know... I said I didn't like it before but it's still a bit of a step up from my wing. I'll use both. My wing is already unlocked so I don't want to lose a phone with that type of flexability. Plus the wing it actually quite cool to be honest... does what it's supposed to. But yeah.... I'm getting one too!!!!! yes!!

who is excited for wm on the g1? after someone hacks it to run windows mobile i will get one. i am due for a phone upgrade from tmobile anyway.

orochidp said:
The G1 looks nearly exactly like the Wing.
The Wing will never have 3G. It just lacks the hardware.
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isn't the wing just a herald mobile 6? i thought other carriers used the same phone, renamed, rebadged and added diferent covers for it and they are 3g capable so why wouldn't are be 3g capable????

I would like to know the answer to this question as well. Did HTC remove specific hardware from the T-Mobile version to make it lack 3G capability? That would be truly disappointing.

kingcoldcuts said:
I would like to know the answer to this question as well. Did HTC remove specific hardware from the T-Mobile version to make it lack 3G capability? That would be truly disappointing.
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The Herald/Atlas/Wing was released before 3G was widely available. T-Mobile just began rolling out 3G in October of last year. The Herald doesn't have a 3G radio therefore no 3G. Its not a matter of software.

Anyone in USA really concerned about losing 3G?

Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?

My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.

th1nm1nt said:
My need for 3G is about 10% of its total use...and my Edge network isn't exactly a snails pace. My Raphael is the best phone I've ever had, and I truly enjoy the ability to customize it. I am jumping ship and getting the HD without second thought. If the Elite team cracks the 3G...that's just the icing on the perfect raphael cake I have.
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Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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I share
yeah, ummm, no 3G coverage here, don't care, lol. your 10%, well I am about 1%, just when I travel and can't hardly tell a difference anyway. Two things: Either the HTC rep that gave us bad news about the arrival of Blackstone in US is not telling the truth or doesn't know the truth to tell it. OR..... HTC really has the wrong idea about consumers in the US. Surely they realize that we want the device because of the many other improvements that it brings. The improvements in performance and the killer screen does it for me. I have owned PDA phone after PDA phone starting with the old Verizon xv6600, which by the way has a large screen compared to kaiser and many others and I know a breakthrough when I see one. If they really don't plan to release this device, then they had better be working on a 3G version with or without a sliding keyboard that runs windows mobile 7. If their really going to skip around generations and stuff, that wm7 device better arrive on time and on par with the iPhone in refinement and usability. They should make a device that people don't really need to cook ROMs to be satisfied with. Do it right the first time, don't take backwards steps, don't take baby steps either. Turn one foot directly in front of the other, in full force and confidence; the smart way. I want it now!

brucewilsonpa said:
Like many of us I've been salivating at the prospect of the HD's large screen and, having decided that as good as my Touch Pro keyboard is, I don't use it enough to hold out for an HD with a keyboard (if there is even one in the roadmap). But..... I'm still smarting at not having 3G on my Touch Pro (and I know our XDA-Developers team may yet lick that limitation) so I'm seriously questioning whether I should go for the HD knowing it may never have 3G capability in the USA. Anyone else share this concern?
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i think maybe its hidden and we can unlock it(if i get it, ill try to unlock the usa 3g) and if not maybe i can get ahold of a prototype with usa 3g. if not then oh well. ill keep it and sell it once they make one with usa 3g. i say if ur really worried then wait.......

I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...

Doesnt matter to me.
Only time I use it is if I accidentally update my weather application.

JesseW said:
I go all over the USA daily while driving my truck, and I've noticed that I get the big [H] in every 3G area I come to, so 3G is very important for me, but I'm still going to retire my Polaris when the HD comes out. I'll just hope and pray daily that someone figures out how to give us 3G...
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We finally got 3G here when I live in Millsboro Delaware. After installing Solace I to get the Big H now. I was either dumb or confussed. LOL However after the good people on here explained that H is better then 3G I was delighted. Not sure why. Called ATT said it was a little better, well faster and was fine for me to use with my unlimited plan.
Solace 1.5 is so smooth I just can't believe that I'd think of getting or replacing my Tilt. I think I finally found the phone for me.
Beachboyde/Jon

I switched from the Tytn 2 over to the Diamond not too long ago. I gave up 3G for slimmer form factor. I barely notice the difference. Maybe occasionally when I use YouTube or Opera, I wish I had a faster connection, but my day to day use of corporate push email is unaffected.
I would like to see the XDA pros open up 3G on these phones, but I feel the features are worth living with EDGE.
...but then again, I've been tempted to pick up a Slingbox lately too. Not sure I'd trust Slingplayer running on E.

Blob8me said:
Looks like we'll be here together too then th1nm1nt! Although I'll keep the Pro for a while once I have the HD just in case......
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So does that mean I'm no longer the stalker...but now you are?

T-mobile USA has 1700 Mhz and 2100 MHz frequencies for 3G support.
This is what I got from their website
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What frequency does your 3G network support?
Our 3G network supports both the 1700MHz and 2100MHz frequencies.
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So... I'll try 3G there once I get mine....

3G or no 3G
I have a Touch Diamond with no 3G (edge only) and one with 3G. (the big H) .
To me, not a big enough difference to worry about. The Edge connection is actually fast enough for me. May a half sec. difference in connection to web pages. Im getting the Touch HD. Besides most of the time I'm on wifi anyway. No big deal

So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.

bartimeus said:
So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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Not determined yet. The Elite team in the Raphael ROM forum does admit there is different hardware. They have connected to the US 3G, but don't think it is stable. They haven't finalized their research as of yet, but sure some more information will be coming shortly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420586

ok so it is hardware inside the phone that differs between US and EU 3G?
So if the bands on the specs page of the phone list US bands then it should be good to go?
Not trying to hyjack the thread I am just curious.

i will be getting an HD and droppign the touch pro... i think

bartimeus said:
So what exactly determines if we can get 3G in the US? Is it the radio? I have never quite understood this part.
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As far sas i heard. its the onboard chip that does the differents. HTC said that on some of the old phones, where it got hacked and worked with 3G, hardware was there but not activated. thats why the people here could get it to work. But HTC stated that this is not the case in the HD. THey said that the HD can not be hacked to work with 3G, as it is not possible hardware wise for the HD to recieve 3g signals on the USA network

i believe i said this already once but its more of a matter of just the antennas and if they can recieve the usa 3g bands or not. the actual chipset i know can use the bands its a matter or just enabling them.

I thought the 3g put a 3g icon not the big h? Thats how it shows on my friends tilt. Me i have not had 3g ever since i have used at&t lol cause i had the wizard and now the wing. Does 3g affect call performance or just data, if so i could care less about 3g then. Although i would rather no pay the premium price on the hd buying from europe

AT&T has HSUPA but you have to activate it in the settings.

Unbranded HTC HD2 work on T-Mobile USA 3G Network? (please read/help)

hello, im currently a tmobile coustomer, isaw that the hd2 will be coming out during spring, may to be more exact. but i cant wait about 6 months, im dying to buy one, my question is if ibuy an unbraded htc hd2, will it work on tmobiles 3G network? since tmobile will be realsing it in spring?
help anybody,
thanks in advance..

No.
T-Mobile uses 1700 and 2100 UMTS. Current HD2s will only support the 2100 band, and T-Mobile -- uniquely -- requires both bands because one is bound to upstream and the other to downstream.
You'll have to wait for the T-Mobile HD2 if you want 3G.

Spike15 said:
No.
T-Mobile uses 1700 and 2100 UMTS. Current HD2s will only support the 2100 band, and T-Mobile -- uniquely -- requires both bands because one is bound to upstream and the other to downstream.
You'll have to wait for the T-Mobile HD2 if you want 3G.
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ohh i see, guess will have to wait 6months, thank you for your help.

just to be sure, the bands are a hardware thing? or a software thing?

It's a hardware thing, I'm on T-Mobile with just EDGE speeds but works well enough for me, I don't need much on the data end.
btw, I couldn't even wait til it hit the states...

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It's a hardware thing, I'm on T-Mobile with just EDGE speeds but works well enough for me, I don't need much on the data end.
btw, I couldn't even wait til it hit the states...
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ooo, yea but for me data nd 3g or HSUPA is a big deal, so iguess im goin to have to wail till tmobile releases the us version.
just wondering at what website did you purchase yours? and how much u paid for yours, ive seen in many sites there about $690

I bought an import HD2 from the UK and use T-Mobile network in the US.Where I live (Texas) it logs in on the E network band, but recently made a trip to San Antonio and it logged in on 3G.

TMOUS w/ EDGE
Same as above... I am on TMO US with Edge and its working fine for me. I also couldn't wait till it hits US.
BTW I have the unlimited Edge plan for $5.99 ( grand-fathered plan ) so I am happy and works better for me instead of switching to thr $29.99 plan.
I use epc.tmobile.com as the APN and speeds are decent.
Arvin

S3BAZ10 said:
hello, im currently a tmobile coustomer, isaw that the hd2 will be coming out during spring, may to be more exact. but i cant wait about 6 months, im dying to buy one, my question is if ibuy an unbraded htc hd2, will it work on tmobiles 3G network? since tmobile will be realsing it in spring?
help anybody,
thanks in advance..
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Here you go.....
Expansys USA
http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=188312&se=s3855
INTEGRON TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
http://www.integrontech.com/HTC-HD2.../htc-hd2.htm?gclid=CJiwrNmnr58CFVFM5QodwDHE1g

Not sure where you got the "May" timeline, as I'm pretty sure it's gonna come out in March (mid-end of).

S3BAZ10 said:
hello, im currently a tmobile coustomer, isaw that the hd2 will be coming out during spring, may to be more exact. but i cant wait about 6 months, im dying to buy one, my question is if ibuy an unbraded htc hd2, will it work on tmobiles 3G network? since tmobile will be realsing it in spring?
help anybody,
thanks in advance..
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BTW, if you look you will see that the phone is available NOW (May??)

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BTW, if you look you will see that the phone is available NOW (May??)
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Maybe you're looking at a European Tmobile, because it definitely is not out in the US.

yea ithink it was in pocketnow.com where i had read that, in spring in may something like that,
and yea im really dying for one =/
and for ambler11 nd arvi007 idk if should get one imported..because 3g is a big deal as i stated before. does the gps work good? stable? youtube? file downloading?
and are you guys on stock roms? or cooked?
thank you all for replying, and helping me.

If data is a big deal for you wait, you've waited this long...
I am in the same boat, I could import now and keep ATT edge, or wait for it to hit T-mo and switch over to a contract free plan. As I use a ton of data a month I will be waiting for full 3g.
If you live in area's with wifi you can mooch off of that, sadly most of the places I am do not provide that so its 3g all the way.

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If data is a big deal for you wait, you've waited this long...
I am in the same boat, I could import now and keep ATT edge, or wait for it to hit T-mo and switch over to a contract free plan. As I use a ton of data a month I will be waiting for full 3g.
If you live in area's with wifi you can mooch off of that, sadly most of the places I am do not provide that so its 3g all the way.
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yup its gonna be 6 long months, but its going to be worth it. =]
thank you all once again.

just wait for 1 month u will be happy

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just wait for 1 month u will be happy
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1 month? why one month? lol

ok so iwas just walking around the mall today (sawgrass mills in florida) and there is this store were they sell all kinds of phones and electronics, they have all the line of HTCs phones and iwas very suprised to see the HD2 so iwent to ask how much it was and they told me it was $1,000 i was like :O i asked them if it was the US version and they said yes, they told me it worked on all 3G networks, so iasked them to let me see it and put my SIM card in (tmobile) so itryed it out, and all i got was full EDGE they said it was my sim card, and stuff, i looked at the most and said EURO Version and showed me only the 2100 bands.
bunch of liars and rip offs. -_-

S3BAZ10 said:
hello, im currently a tmobile coustomer, isaw that the hd2 will be coming out during spring, may to be more exact. but i cant wait about 6 months, im dying to buy one, my question is if ibuy an unbraded htc hd2, will it work on tmobiles 3G network? since tmobile will be realsing it in spring?
help anybody,
thanks in advance..
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I have one it does but unfourtantley I dont have an 3g signal and I already talked to tmobile they put insurance on my phone so when the 3G version comes out I will be able to swap it for that one instead of paying extra for it.