Hi,
I've been using daran_clarke's TF3D Beta 3 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448178) for a short while now and really like it. Thanks Daran!
However I've been toying with installing a new rom, something I've been putting off for a while now.
I'd like people's opinions on the benefits / difference's between the above TF3D and the ROM below which also looks awesome?
Smaberg's Touch X 10.1 ULTIMATE X-TREME "MrRusch BLUE EDITION" (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493848)
Anyone tried both? This is my day to day phone so stability and performance matter most to me.
Many thanks in advance for views offered.
Richard
Hi Richard,
I recently updated my ROM to itje's TouchX edition and it's honestly fantastic. Not had a single problem bug wise with it yet and has massively increased my battery life compared to the UK Vodafone ROM.
Not sure if this helps you but just thought I'd give you some info!
The Diggler
Thanks, presumably you're more than happy with the speed then judging by your post?
I was thinking of going with either that or the Blue version above.
before flasing smaberg's touchx 10 rom (blue), i used the tf3db3 cab by daran clarke.
it works fine but having the rom installed is much much faster and stable. the finger gestures, scrolling and menus are smoother.
if u want speed and performance definitely go for the rom.
+1 for itje's Touch-IT Xperience 10.2
It's fast, smooth, nicely featured and most importantly works without special tweaks. I had one difference of opinion on Opera but installing the old version solved that problem. Battery life is MUCH better than older ROM versions and memory use has been optimised so RAM is freed up when you close apps.
I read somewhere that sense was being released for WM,
has it?
and,
is it working on any other phones, specifically the good ole nike??
Cheers,
Look in the first section in "upgrading". It is on the first page, dude.
No, Sense 2.5 isn't working on the good old Nike because Sense 2.5 is WVGA and needs really huge 3D power! It's not working flawlessly on a 528 MHz Touch Pro 2 (even for me) nd the TP2 has better 3D drivers than the Nike, which has no good 3D drives at all!
Remember: Sense 2.5 was released with the Leo who has 1 GHz and a real GPU!
I use a Touch Diamond (for now) and have been using sense 2.5 for a couple of months now, ported to VGA, works like a dream, currently with wm 6.5 21882. so yes it is possible, someone just needs to cook up a good Nike ROM with qvga sense incorporated into it, with a 400mhz processor it should still run ok, since it runs fine on my 528mhz diamond.
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I use a Touch Diamond (for now) and have been using sense 2.5 for a couple of months now, ported to VGA, works like a dream, currently with wm 6.5 21882. so yes it is possible, someone just needs to cook up a good Nike ROM with qvga sense incorporated into it, with a 400mhz processor it should still run ok, since it runs fine on my 528mhz diamond.
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This isnt true my friend, try to do this on Polaris... Is possible but the result is terrible
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I use a Touch Diamond (for now) and have been using sense 2.5 for a couple of months now, ported to VGA, works like a dream, currently with wm 6.5 21882. so yes it is possible, someone just needs to cook up a good Nike ROM with qvga sense incorporated into it, with a 400mhz processor it should still run ok, since it runs fine on my 528mhz diamond.
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Yeah, for Diamond it's quite usable but the Diamond has a much better graphics chip with a little bit better drivers then Nike, Polaris and Kaiser! That's the reason why Manila 2.5 would never run like on Diamond or any newer device!
I don't know what about you guys, but I think that our phone cannot "carry out" the load of the WM 6.5.
I have tried all the great ROM's up to now - indeed great improvement, but still not getting to the latest performance, stability as well as power consumer as the 6.1.
We need to admit that our Polaris does not meet the "Vista" of the mobile requirement - and frankly, it is not expected to be like that.
From my point of view, we need to focus over the latest WM6.1 but to update it always with the latest application available in the market.
No other choice but to wait for WM7, maybe it will be lighter and faster than the 6.5.
Objections!
There is some drop in performance and battery life on Polaris with 6.5 compared to 6.1 but it is barely noticeable in day-to-day use (I use pcarvalho's 6.5 ROM - no complains).
As to the most important part - focusing on 6.1... it is like telling people to get to Windows 98 from XP. WM 6.5 has some framework features under the hood that are just unavailable in 6.1 and I mean not just Titanium or honeycomb menu... 6.1 is a bye-bye past and it is just pointless to waste time on "making it better".
Yet another thing. I think most of people here would agree that they live by the principles of "what if..." and "why not?". I think people here are driven by the process of exploring and testing new stuff itself, rather than by the results it may bring Than the idea of using slower, battery-hungrier, buggier WM 6.5 would not sound stupid.
I've tried both and I can understand what you're saying here, but then again you need to remember a lot of these cooks include lots of programs that a lot of people can do without (ie Remote desktop, MSN Money, etc...). Even if they're not running, the more free program memory you have on the device, the easier it is for it 'breathe'.
I remember updating my first HTC from 5.0 to 6.0 actually made it run faster on its OMAP 200mhz CPU. My second HTC upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1 also felt a bit faster, but not as much as 5.0 to 6.0.
6.5 undoubtedly is slower for me, I was using udk's 6.1 and now pcar's 6.5 (just for the record, they are BOTH VERY TALENTED cooks), but I think it's slower because as you said the device is reaching its limits with what the new OS's are offering.
A nice idea is if some people can maintain on the main forums a standardized benchmark of WM OS's on different devices, based on their naked version to compare as much as possible. I think when I have time I’ll benchmark the different ROM's offered for the Polaris and share with everyone.
On either case, you have to love this community & cooks for always breathing in new life to all our devices, I really encourage people to donate whatever to the site or cooks you are downloading from, it does help encourage them... at least show them some gratitude!
As for my next device, I believe the HD2 is for the first time a MAJOR upgrade for HTC devices with its snapdragon 1Ghz processor and increased RAM...I’ll probably keep the Polaris for at least another 6 months so that I can buy the HD2 at a less-premium price. I just hope the whole camera issue is fixed...they've always had problems with that - there's no point in having a 3MP camera if it has a really slow fps rate and can't get a proper focus on pics!
Well, that was my ramble!
Best regards,
Alan
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Objections!
There is some drop in performance and battery life on Polaris with 6.5 compared to 6.1 but it is barely noticeable in day-to-day use (I use pcarvalho's 6.5 ROM - no complains).
As to the most important part - focusing on 6.1... it is like telling people to get to Windows 98 from XP. WM 6.5 has some framework features under the hood that are just unavailable in 6.1 and I mean not just Titanium or honeycomb menu... 6.1 is a bye-bye past and it is just pointless to waste time on "making it better".
Yet another thing. I think most of people here would agree that they live by the principles of "what if..." and "why not?". I think people here are driven by the process itself, rather than by the results it may bring
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I agree on this - I was writing my post just as you posted yours. I'm using pcar's and no objections for me, although I believe a lite\naked version could help with the response rate of the device (it's not slow at all, but udk's was just REALLY fast).
I've already asked pcar for a LITE\NAKED version, but poor guy is already giving so much of his time developing the new ROMs as well as the support...i've never seen a cook so active and dedicated...probably the best quality in a cook as you have the confidance that he will work & solve all issues & improvements. But hopefully he will manage to offer a stripped-down version.
It's right! WM6.5 on Polaris is not for a daily usage. I'm so satisfied with 6.1-3lit3VIII.
Well, i do believe wm 6.5 is very good with all new features, but it's just too much for polaris to handle. The best option would be to have all improvements from 6.5 core(HSUPA f.e.) minus all that flashy menus and such.
Also, i cannot stand the way it wants me to use it(mainly fingers), I like my stylus, and i don't want to smudge it with my fingers. Why there isn't a option to let me choose how do i want to control it?
tl;dr make a naked version of 6.5
overrule )
DesertsStorm said:
Objections!
There is some drop in performance and battery life on Polaris with 6.5 compared to 6.1 but it is barely noticeable in day-to-day use (I use pcarvalho's 6.5 ROM - no complains).
As to the most important part - focusing on 6.1... it is like telling people to get to Windows 98 from XP. WM 6.5 has some framework features under the hood that are just unavailable in 6.1 and I mean not just Titanium or honeycomb menu... 6.1 is a bye-bye past and it is just pointless to waste time on "making it better".
Yet another thing. I think most of people here would agree that they live by the principles of "what if..." and "why not?". I think people here are driven by the process of exploring and testing new stuff itself, rather than by the results it may bring Than the idea of using slower, battery-hungrier, buggier WM 6.5 would not sound stupid.
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I agree with the concept of what you have written, however if we will be case specific, the 6.5 version is to "heavy" for our "not young" Polaris. up to WM6.1 (XP) the system could be optimize for very good performance, but since WM6.5 (Vista), the Mobile is consuming 30-40% power (why?) and the response display can be really feel on daily use.
I don't think that this is compare to win98 - it is relative to XP that still continue to be use today, although the Win7 is out....
Mainly on the daily bases you don’t care which OS you have, as long as it runs fast and stable
100% correct
alanazar said:
I've tried both and I can understand what you're saying here, but then again you need to remember a lot of these cooks include lots of programs that a lot of people can do without (ie Remote desktop, MSN Money, etc...). Even if they're not running, the more free program memory you have on the device, the easier it is for it 'breathe'.
I remember updating my first HTC from 5.0 to 6.0 actually made it run faster on its OMAP 200mhz CPU. My second HTC upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1 also felt a bit faster, but not as much as 5.0 to 6.0.
6.5 undoubtedly is slower for me, I was using udk's 6.1 and now pcar's 6.5 (just for the record, they are BOTH VERY TALENTED cooks), but I think it's slower because as you said the device is reaching its limits with what the new OS's are offering.
A nice idea is if some people can maintain on the main forums a standardized benchmark of WM OS's on different devices, based on their naked version to compare as much as possible. I think when I have time I’ll benchmark the different ROM's offered for the Polaris and share with everyone.
On either case, you have to love this community & cooks for always breathing in new life to all our devices, I really encourage people to donate whatever to the site or cooks you are downloading from, it does help encourage them... at least show them some gratitude!
As for my next device, I believe the HD2 is for the first time a MAJOR upgrade for HTC devices with its snapdragon 1Ghz processor and increased RAM...I’ll probably keep the Polaris for at least another 6 months so that I can buy the HD2 at a less-premium price. I just hope the whole camera issue is fixed...they've always had problems with that - there's no point in having a 3MP camera if it has a really slow fps rate and can't get a proper focus on pics!
Agree with every single word, I have nothing to say about the great and huge cookers and there very good work, I just wanted to "heads up" people to re-think again about the current HW Vs the New OS - sometimes, it doesn't work well not meter what you are going to do...
By the way, this is why there is new 1 GHz CPU
Probably I'll stay with the latest 6.1 version up to the time I'll replace my mobile.
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Im using PCarvalho latest build 23053 and i have almost no complains...its fast and battery is normal as in 6.1.all i do is run cleanram twice a day.
Sometimes it does freeze and i have to soft reset but not often enough to piss me off,and theres a problem with scrolling big lists in file explorer.
I agree with Yinnon-I also tried 6.5 (Costas early version wich was great),but I saw that the performance in 6.1 is better and got back to M-Amine 6.1-till I buys my new device.
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Oh, I do!!! I so MUCH do!! Remember those Win 98 times when you would loose all your work and were forced to reboot just because any inserted corrupt floppy disk or media player that stopped responding would DEFINITELY result in BSOD??? And it didn't matter for me back then that my PC would run like 50% slower with Win2000 because I knew stability and reliability is sometimes more important than speed.
As to the features of WM6.5 I'll repeat that in day-to-day use (like 3 weeks since I've installed pcarvalho's latest ROM) I don't see any major performance problems on my Polaris whatsoever. Battery life is shorter, that's it. Media or GPS software, M2D v.2.0, Camera, 2G calls, you name it - everything runs good and stable. Not rocket-fast, like on some naked 6.1 ROMs but I just don't care, cause 6.1 is a thing of past for me.
P.S. Wanna see some real problems with performance? Try installing 3D drivers and Touch Flo 3D
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Im using PCarvalho latest build 23053 and i have almost no complains...its fast and battery is normal as in 6.1.all i do is run cleanram twice a day.
Sometimes it does freeze and i have to soft reset but not often enough to piss me off,and theres a problem with scrolling big lists in file explorer.
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This is not a performance problem? To use "clean ram" twice a day is normal?
Wazowski68 said:
This is not a performance problem? To use "clean ram" twice a day is normal?
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I'm just afraid to think using larger cache in Opera 9.7 in wm6.5...
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This is not a performance problem? To use "clean ram" twice a day is normal?
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But of course its wrong to run clean ram twice a day! Oh my god! ... manually! Twice a day!!! I would just write a script to do that for me!
No, seriously, people thats for everyone personally to decide what to use and what ROM to cook (maybe those cooks are bored with 6.1 and had enough of it already - didn't you think about that? ) . But don't forget that if there is a problem, it doesn't mean the whole thing is bad and should be abandoned. Maybe you will find it more interesting to try to solve the problem.
I do not know... the polaris has four major drawbacks from my point of view: the camera should be better, it has no accelerometer, has no TV/music out mode and the technology of the screen is "primitive". For the rest I think the polaris was so well equiped that even now can resist hardware comparison with newer machines. After two years my polaris was stolen and I had to buy a new htc and after comparing I ended with another Polaris.
In my opinion, the big issue is about how many people are there developing software, drivers, roms, etc. People around has been able to install wm6.1, 6.5, android, unix, 3d drivers... it is only a matter of software and unfortunately, most of polaris users in xda have moved to newer devices.
Regarding your question I love naked versions: if you like pcarvalho try 21820 LT, I did not upgrade anymore after that version. You can also try mine Lite rom too, I think it is fast ... but it is just born I am a new to cooking. If you go for 6.1 naked I recommend swtos roms better than any other ones, even the one you mention (at least at the time I had it installed).
I personally would never go back to 6.1 and not even in another life to windows 6.0. I only feel bad about not discovering/daring custom roms before. For me 6.5 battery life is only noticeable when using gps outdoor in the mountain: 4 hours and my phone is dry, which is something you do not want to happen in the mountain, so I have learned to use the GPS only for finding my way when I have problems rather than recording all the way. WM 6.5 more than anything offers me thumb.friendly menus and scrolling. Polaris continues to offer me a good all-in-one choice. If you can live without high demanding UI (lots of things in memory and lots of scrolling and redrawing) I think 6.5 is still a bearable OS for our old Polaris. The difficult point becomes then how to strip the core wm6.5 from the fancy UI around it.
Let's wait for a com5 kitchen of for a naked pcarvalhos rom !!!
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I do not know... the polaris has four major drawbacks from my point of view: the camera should be better, it has no accelerometer, has no TV/music out mode and the technology of the screen is "primitive". For the rest I think the polaris was so well equiped that even now can resist hardware comparison with newer machines. After two years my polaris was stolen and I had to buy a new htc and after comparing I ended with another Polaris.
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I totally agree with you...not just with the Polaris but with most of the HTC devices, this is why HD2 is (FINALLY!) a leap in hardware advancements. Ofcourse it still lacks the TV-Out & not sure about the camera but hopefully the camera will be resolved with the LED lighting as it's the light-filter that slows the fps down. I just hope the next-gen devices see the same leaps in technology & power as opposed to small improvements here & there!
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In my opinion, the big issue is about how many people are there developing software, drivers, roms, etc. People around has been able to install wm6.1, 6.5, android, unix, 3d drivers... it is only a matter of software and unfortunately, most of polaris users in xda have moved to newer devices.
Regarding your question I love naked versions: if you like pcarvalho try 21820 LT, I did not upgrade anymore after that version. You can also try mine Lite rom too, I think it is fast ... but it is just born I am a new to cooking. If you go for 6.1 naked I recommend swtos roms better than any other ones, even the one you mention (at least at the time I had it installed).
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Exactly, my phone is reminding me of the days of the old pentium 1-2 & upgrading from Windows 95 to 98 to 2000, etc ...as long as the hardware can keep up performance-wise with the new software. We have an amazing community of cooks, testers, and users to keep the best coming, and while a lot of the earlier cooks left, thankfully we're still seeing some good talent coming on to the scene. And hopefully we'll be seeing more naked versions as well!
Eventually I think the polaris vs the new software generations will naturally push us to the newer\faster models with more hardware features to make the most out of... and this is before being dumped again by those cooks with more money hehe
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I personally would never go back to 6.1 and not even in another life to windows 6.0. I only feel bad about not discovering/daring custom roms before. For me 6.5 battery life is only noticeable when using gps outdoor in the mountain: 4 hours and my phone is dry, which is something you do not want to happen in the mountain, so I have learned to use the GPS only for finding my way when I have problems rather than recording all the way. WM 6.5 more than anything offers me thumb.friendly menus and scrolling. Polaris continues to offer me a good all-in-one choice. If you can live without high demanding UI (lots of things in memory and lots of scrolling and redrawing) I think 6.5 is still a bearable OS for our old Polaris. The difficult point becomes then how to strip the core wm6.5 from the fancy UI around it.
Let's wait for a com5 kitchen of for a naked pcarvalhos rom !!!
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I'm with you 100%. btw, regarding the battery & GPS, if you're running the GPS for 4 hours it's going to drain your battery regardless of the OS you're using. In that case for the mountains, consider getting a solar or AA battery-powered charger (should be just a few $).
Regarding 'com5', i've always wanted to ask what is com2, com3 etc... i searched the forums but it was hard to find the right post with those keywords...can someone please explain? Thanks!
Just my 2 cents. I came to Polaris after 3 unhappy days spent with Touch Pro (will not comment it at all) Only thing I dislike with Polaris is a yellowish color temperature of the screen. And thats it.
Wm6.5 is definitely not heavy for Polaris - unless you understand wm6.5 is all about Titanium and Honeycomb start menu. The problem is that cookers mostly post ROMs overloaded with various things that YOU might never need (and cannot edit). Try one of 6.5 kithens (Gullum's is excellent) and clear everything you don't need from it to see how fast wm6.5 can be. My Polaris has some 62 MB free with S2U2, Today Agenda, HTC Home (yep, usability over looks) and pTravel alarm running on homescreen (all cooked into ROM). It is faster compared to 3lite VI naked ROM I flashed to my brother's Polaris. (3lite VI ROM is mentioned only as example, and is one of the best and fastest 6.1 ROMs IMPO).
From my experience wm6.5 biggest advantage is in tweaked interface compared to 6.1 (for example finger friendly tree-dialogue menus, taskbar buttons on the bottom of the screen, finger friendly contacts and calendar apps etc.), with some other minor glitches of 6.1 resolved. Add to that fact that with recent builds you have visible changes between them and you can choose one according to your preferences - gives you something very promising and inevitable.
Just a quick one, its been a few months since i reflashed my Touch HD and i was wondering since the Dutty/ Miri days the WM 6.5 was useable but still slow when you open a few apps etc. From the top of my head i think the standard was 70% used resources compared to around 35% on WM 6.1
I noticed a fair few roms popping up with 6.5 which mention speed etc, has there been any or huge improvement of 6.5.x on the HD or is it still using masses amount of resources?
Regards,
Alex
Well i tried several com2 releases and previous version and the WM 6.5 still seems to be unusable on the touch HD. It hogs too many resources making it ok i guess for day to day with a reboot but if you want to keep the phone running longer it grinds down to a halt much faster than 6.1.
thanks for the many views but 0 replies
I posted something similar to this, this morning.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=693356
It looks like I'll be looking to downgrade to 6.1 soon.
Guys, if you mainly want 6.5 for Sense 2.5 prettyness, the new Frankenstein WM6.1+Sense 2.5 releases are very bug free, particularly compared to the only old one (which was only proof of concept ((ty miri xoxo)))
Ive thoroughly tried the proof of concept when it was the only one available (about a month ago) and have used Cloudys for quite a few weeks now, if you want 36-40 percent ram free and use sense 2.5 the way it should run, seriously task29 ur hd and give one of the two a go
The other one is Blacknew by Kenia.
6.1 is suited for the HD's specs, all 6.5 is too demanding for it, I don't think you'll ever find a 6.5 with sense 2.5 as speedy and awesome as the Frankenstein builds.
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Guys, if you mainly want 6.5 for Sense 2.5 prettyness, the new Frankenstein WM6.1+Sense 2.5 releases are very bug free, particularly compared to the only old one (which was only proof of concept ((ty miri xoxo)))
Ive thoroughly tried the proof of concept when it was the only one available (about a month ago) and have used Cloudys for quite a few weeks now, if you want 36-40 percent ram free and use sense 2.5 the way it should run, seriously task29 ur hd and give one of the two a go
The other one is Blacknew by Kenia.
6.1 is suited for the HD's specs, all 6.5 is too demanding for it, I don't think you'll ever find a 6.5 with sense 2.5 as speedy and awesome as the Frankenstein builds.
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qwertylesh, thanks for the reply.
I was getting a bit fed up with the speed of the UI.
Someone in my thread suggested I try getting rid of Sense 2.5 which should speed things up, which is probably the first thing Im going to try.
hi all
first thank you very much for the XDAndroid version for HTC phones
I have HTC Touch HD >> Blackstone
I've successfully installed the XDAndroid in the phone but ..... its too slow ??
I have NITDroid version on my nokia N900 and it work very well ..
but when I start the XDAndoroid it seems the 3D acceleration is not working but the other functions works very well .. so any help
I tried to reinstall it with overclocked version is the setup but the same problem ???
so please help
and another thing
why the screen in XDAndroid looks soooooo pale compared with my N900 NITdroid screen ???????? is it ok ??
I know there is a thread for questions but no one answers there..
any help ????????????
have you gone into spare parts and enable windows animation and transition animations to fast? kinda helps.
I also found that once you first installed android on your phone (fresh installation) its kinda slow in the start but picks up.
Did you use the overclocked blackstone settings?
Also i think that because it reading from your sd card this can be the causation of it being a bit laggy. but when NAND/rom come out and it is able to boot from device instead this can help. so look forward for it to come out soon. devs are working on getting android to be stable and we shall see rom. currently fixing the battery display but i guess when they get the camera and the battery consumption down to business we shall see it.
Regards
Ho.angii
blackstone xdandroid froyo v1.6 + camro battery testing/fix kernel. <3
first thanks for reply
second the xdandroid is working very well but the 3D acceleration and the SD is a high speed class 6 one
I wish the next stable rom will be better and works for me
The hd processor has poor 3D capabilities by itself. On top of it you are working on an OS which runs on top of another OS and which was ported by a few enthusiasts without official support or drivers.
I'd say you can be happy with what it does and can't expect a lot more...
I also think that given the fact that you can play labyrinth 3D quite smoothly, 3D acceleration kind of works, otherwise it wouldn't do anything of the sort.
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The hd processor has poor 3D capabilities by itself. On top of it you are working on an OS which runs on top of another OS and which was ported by a few enthusiasts without official support or drivers.
I'd say you can be happy with what it does and can't expect a lot more...
I also think that given the fact that you can play labyrinth 3D quite smoothly, 3D acceleration kind of works, otherwise it wouldn't do anything of the sort.
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but my friend the 3D isn't work ... the system is so slow that I cant play any game on it !
as I said I have it on my N900 nokia device and the 3D is working very well and I cat even paly Modern Combat : Sandstorm !!!
so its extremely slow on the My Blackstone !!
any help