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I don't know what about you guys, but I think that our phone cannot "carry out" the load of the WM 6.5.
I have tried all the great ROM's up to now - indeed great improvement, but still not getting to the latest performance, stability as well as power consumer as the 6.1.
We need to admit that our Polaris does not meet the "Vista" of the mobile requirement - and frankly, it is not expected to be like that.
From my point of view, we need to focus over the latest WM6.1 but to update it always with the latest application available in the market.
No other choice but to wait for WM7, maybe it will be lighter and faster than the 6.5.
Objections!
There is some drop in performance and battery life on Polaris with 6.5 compared to 6.1 but it is barely noticeable in day-to-day use (I use pcarvalho's 6.5 ROM - no complains).
As to the most important part - focusing on 6.1... it is like telling people to get to Windows 98 from XP. WM 6.5 has some framework features under the hood that are just unavailable in 6.1 and I mean not just Titanium or honeycomb menu... 6.1 is a bye-bye past and it is just pointless to waste time on "making it better".
Yet another thing. I think most of people here would agree that they live by the principles of "what if..." and "why not?". I think people here are driven by the process of exploring and testing new stuff itself, rather than by the results it may bring Than the idea of using slower, battery-hungrier, buggier WM 6.5 would not sound stupid.
I've tried both and I can understand what you're saying here, but then again you need to remember a lot of these cooks include lots of programs that a lot of people can do without (ie Remote desktop, MSN Money, etc...). Even if they're not running, the more free program memory you have on the device, the easier it is for it 'breathe'.
I remember updating my first HTC from 5.0 to 6.0 actually made it run faster on its OMAP 200mhz CPU. My second HTC upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1 also felt a bit faster, but not as much as 5.0 to 6.0.
6.5 undoubtedly is slower for me, I was using udk's 6.1 and now pcar's 6.5 (just for the record, they are BOTH VERY TALENTED cooks), but I think it's slower because as you said the device is reaching its limits with what the new OS's are offering.
A nice idea is if some people can maintain on the main forums a standardized benchmark of WM OS's on different devices, based on their naked version to compare as much as possible. I think when I have time I’ll benchmark the different ROM's offered for the Polaris and share with everyone.
On either case, you have to love this community & cooks for always breathing in new life to all our devices, I really encourage people to donate whatever to the site or cooks you are downloading from, it does help encourage them... at least show them some gratitude!
As for my next device, I believe the HD2 is for the first time a MAJOR upgrade for HTC devices with its snapdragon 1Ghz processor and increased RAM...I’ll probably keep the Polaris for at least another 6 months so that I can buy the HD2 at a less-premium price. I just hope the whole camera issue is fixed...they've always had problems with that - there's no point in having a 3MP camera if it has a really slow fps rate and can't get a proper focus on pics!
Well, that was my ramble!
Best regards,
Alan
DesertsStorm said:
Objections!
There is some drop in performance and battery life on Polaris with 6.5 compared to 6.1 but it is barely noticeable in day-to-day use (I use pcarvalho's 6.5 ROM - no complains).
As to the most important part - focusing on 6.1... it is like telling people to get to Windows 98 from XP. WM 6.5 has some framework features under the hood that are just unavailable in 6.1 and I mean not just Titanium or honeycomb menu... 6.1 is a bye-bye past and it is just pointless to waste time on "making it better".
Yet another thing. I think most of people here would agree that they live by the principles of "what if..." and "why not?". I think people here are driven by the process itself, rather than by the results it may bring
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I agree on this - I was writing my post just as you posted yours. I'm using pcar's and no objections for me, although I believe a lite\naked version could help with the response rate of the device (it's not slow at all, but udk's was just REALLY fast).
I've already asked pcar for a LITE\NAKED version, but poor guy is already giving so much of his time developing the new ROMs as well as the support...i've never seen a cook so active and dedicated...probably the best quality in a cook as you have the confidance that he will work & solve all issues & improvements. But hopefully he will manage to offer a stripped-down version.
It's right! WM6.5 on Polaris is not for a daily usage. I'm so satisfied with 6.1-3lit3VIII.
Well, i do believe wm 6.5 is very good with all new features, but it's just too much for polaris to handle. The best option would be to have all improvements from 6.5 core(HSUPA f.e.) minus all that flashy menus and such.
Also, i cannot stand the way it wants me to use it(mainly fingers), I like my stylus, and i don't want to smudge it with my fingers. Why there isn't a option to let me choose how do i want to control it?
tl;dr make a naked version of 6.5
overrule )
DesertsStorm said:
Objections!
There is some drop in performance and battery life on Polaris with 6.5 compared to 6.1 but it is barely noticeable in day-to-day use (I use pcarvalho's 6.5 ROM - no complains).
As to the most important part - focusing on 6.1... it is like telling people to get to Windows 98 from XP. WM 6.5 has some framework features under the hood that are just unavailable in 6.1 and I mean not just Titanium or honeycomb menu... 6.1 is a bye-bye past and it is just pointless to waste time on "making it better".
Yet another thing. I think most of people here would agree that they live by the principles of "what if..." and "why not?". I think people here are driven by the process of exploring and testing new stuff itself, rather than by the results it may bring Than the idea of using slower, battery-hungrier, buggier WM 6.5 would not sound stupid.
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I agree with the concept of what you have written, however if we will be case specific, the 6.5 version is to "heavy" for our "not young" Polaris. up to WM6.1 (XP) the system could be optimize for very good performance, but since WM6.5 (Vista), the Mobile is consuming 30-40% power (why?) and the response display can be really feel on daily use.
I don't think that this is compare to win98 - it is relative to XP that still continue to be use today, although the Win7 is out....
Mainly on the daily bases you don’t care which OS you have, as long as it runs fast and stable
100% correct
alanazar said:
I've tried both and I can understand what you're saying here, but then again you need to remember a lot of these cooks include lots of programs that a lot of people can do without (ie Remote desktop, MSN Money, etc...). Even if they're not running, the more free program memory you have on the device, the easier it is for it 'breathe'.
I remember updating my first HTC from 5.0 to 6.0 actually made it run faster on its OMAP 200mhz CPU. My second HTC upgrading from 6.0 to 6.1 also felt a bit faster, but not as much as 5.0 to 6.0.
6.5 undoubtedly is slower for me, I was using udk's 6.1 and now pcar's 6.5 (just for the record, they are BOTH VERY TALENTED cooks), but I think it's slower because as you said the device is reaching its limits with what the new OS's are offering.
A nice idea is if some people can maintain on the main forums a standardized benchmark of WM OS's on different devices, based on their naked version to compare as much as possible. I think when I have time I’ll benchmark the different ROM's offered for the Polaris and share with everyone.
On either case, you have to love this community & cooks for always breathing in new life to all our devices, I really encourage people to donate whatever to the site or cooks you are downloading from, it does help encourage them... at least show them some gratitude!
As for my next device, I believe the HD2 is for the first time a MAJOR upgrade for HTC devices with its snapdragon 1Ghz processor and increased RAM...I’ll probably keep the Polaris for at least another 6 months so that I can buy the HD2 at a less-premium price. I just hope the whole camera issue is fixed...they've always had problems with that - there's no point in having a 3MP camera if it has a really slow fps rate and can't get a proper focus on pics!
Agree with every single word, I have nothing to say about the great and huge cookers and there very good work, I just wanted to "heads up" people to re-think again about the current HW Vs the New OS - sometimes, it doesn't work well not meter what you are going to do...
By the way, this is why there is new 1 GHz CPU
Probably I'll stay with the latest 6.1 version up to the time I'll replace my mobile.
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Im using PCarvalho latest build 23053 and i have almost no complains...its fast and battery is normal as in 6.1.all i do is run cleanram twice a day.
Sometimes it does freeze and i have to soft reset but not often enough to piss me off,and theres a problem with scrolling big lists in file explorer.
I agree with Yinnon-I also tried 6.5 (Costas early version wich was great),but I saw that the performance in 6.1 is better and got back to M-Amine 6.1-till I buys my new device.
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Mainly on the daily bases you don’t care which OS you have, as long as it runs fast and stable
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Oh, I do!!! I so MUCH do!! Remember those Win 98 times when you would loose all your work and were forced to reboot just because any inserted corrupt floppy disk or media player that stopped responding would DEFINITELY result in BSOD??? And it didn't matter for me back then that my PC would run like 50% slower with Win2000 because I knew stability and reliability is sometimes more important than speed.
As to the features of WM6.5 I'll repeat that in day-to-day use (like 3 weeks since I've installed pcarvalho's latest ROM) I don't see any major performance problems on my Polaris whatsoever. Battery life is shorter, that's it. Media or GPS software, M2D v.2.0, Camera, 2G calls, you name it - everything runs good and stable. Not rocket-fast, like on some naked 6.1 ROMs but I just don't care, cause 6.1 is a thing of past for me.
P.S. Wanna see some real problems with performance? Try installing 3D drivers and Touch Flo 3D
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Im using PCarvalho latest build 23053 and i have almost no complains...its fast and battery is normal as in 6.1.all i do is run cleanram twice a day.
Sometimes it does freeze and i have to soft reset but not often enough to piss me off,and theres a problem with scrolling big lists in file explorer.
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This is not a performance problem? To use "clean ram" twice a day is normal?
Wazowski68 said:
This is not a performance problem? To use "clean ram" twice a day is normal?
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I'm just afraid to think using larger cache in Opera 9.7 in wm6.5...
Wazowski68 said:
This is not a performance problem? To use "clean ram" twice a day is normal?
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But of course its wrong to run clean ram twice a day! Oh my god! ... manually! Twice a day!!! I would just write a script to do that for me!
No, seriously, people thats for everyone personally to decide what to use and what ROM to cook (maybe those cooks are bored with 6.1 and had enough of it already - didn't you think about that? ) . But don't forget that if there is a problem, it doesn't mean the whole thing is bad and should be abandoned. Maybe you will find it more interesting to try to solve the problem.
I do not know... the polaris has four major drawbacks from my point of view: the camera should be better, it has no accelerometer, has no TV/music out mode and the technology of the screen is "primitive". For the rest I think the polaris was so well equiped that even now can resist hardware comparison with newer machines. After two years my polaris was stolen and I had to buy a new htc and after comparing I ended with another Polaris.
In my opinion, the big issue is about how many people are there developing software, drivers, roms, etc. People around has been able to install wm6.1, 6.5, android, unix, 3d drivers... it is only a matter of software and unfortunately, most of polaris users in xda have moved to newer devices.
Regarding your question I love naked versions: if you like pcarvalho try 21820 LT, I did not upgrade anymore after that version. You can also try mine Lite rom too, I think it is fast ... but it is just born I am a new to cooking. If you go for 6.1 naked I recommend swtos roms better than any other ones, even the one you mention (at least at the time I had it installed).
I personally would never go back to 6.1 and not even in another life to windows 6.0. I only feel bad about not discovering/daring custom roms before. For me 6.5 battery life is only noticeable when using gps outdoor in the mountain: 4 hours and my phone is dry, which is something you do not want to happen in the mountain, so I have learned to use the GPS only for finding my way when I have problems rather than recording all the way. WM 6.5 more than anything offers me thumb.friendly menus and scrolling. Polaris continues to offer me a good all-in-one choice. If you can live without high demanding UI (lots of things in memory and lots of scrolling and redrawing) I think 6.5 is still a bearable OS for our old Polaris. The difficult point becomes then how to strip the core wm6.5 from the fancy UI around it.
Let's wait for a com5 kitchen of for a naked pcarvalhos rom !!!
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I do not know... the polaris has four major drawbacks from my point of view: the camera should be better, it has no accelerometer, has no TV/music out mode and the technology of the screen is "primitive". For the rest I think the polaris was so well equiped that even now can resist hardware comparison with newer machines. After two years my polaris was stolen and I had to buy a new htc and after comparing I ended with another Polaris.
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I totally agree with you...not just with the Polaris but with most of the HTC devices, this is why HD2 is (FINALLY!) a leap in hardware advancements. Ofcourse it still lacks the TV-Out & not sure about the camera but hopefully the camera will be resolved with the LED lighting as it's the light-filter that slows the fps down. I just hope the next-gen devices see the same leaps in technology & power as opposed to small improvements here & there!
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In my opinion, the big issue is about how many people are there developing software, drivers, roms, etc. People around has been able to install wm6.1, 6.5, android, unix, 3d drivers... it is only a matter of software and unfortunately, most of polaris users in xda have moved to newer devices.
Regarding your question I love naked versions: if you like pcarvalho try 21820 LT, I did not upgrade anymore after that version. You can also try mine Lite rom too, I think it is fast ... but it is just born I am a new to cooking. If you go for 6.1 naked I recommend swtos roms better than any other ones, even the one you mention (at least at the time I had it installed).
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Exactly, my phone is reminding me of the days of the old pentium 1-2 & upgrading from Windows 95 to 98 to 2000, etc ...as long as the hardware can keep up performance-wise with the new software. We have an amazing community of cooks, testers, and users to keep the best coming, and while a lot of the earlier cooks left, thankfully we're still seeing some good talent coming on to the scene. And hopefully we'll be seeing more naked versions as well!
Eventually I think the polaris vs the new software generations will naturally push us to the newer\faster models with more hardware features to make the most out of... and this is before being dumped again by those cooks with more money hehe
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I personally would never go back to 6.1 and not even in another life to windows 6.0. I only feel bad about not discovering/daring custom roms before. For me 6.5 battery life is only noticeable when using gps outdoor in the mountain: 4 hours and my phone is dry, which is something you do not want to happen in the mountain, so I have learned to use the GPS only for finding my way when I have problems rather than recording all the way. WM 6.5 more than anything offers me thumb.friendly menus and scrolling. Polaris continues to offer me a good all-in-one choice. If you can live without high demanding UI (lots of things in memory and lots of scrolling and redrawing) I think 6.5 is still a bearable OS for our old Polaris. The difficult point becomes then how to strip the core wm6.5 from the fancy UI around it.
Let's wait for a com5 kitchen of for a naked pcarvalhos rom !!!
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I'm with you 100%. btw, regarding the battery & GPS, if you're running the GPS for 4 hours it's going to drain your battery regardless of the OS you're using. In that case for the mountains, consider getting a solar or AA battery-powered charger (should be just a few $).
Regarding 'com5', i've always wanted to ask what is com2, com3 etc... i searched the forums but it was hard to find the right post with those keywords...can someone please explain? Thanks!
Just my 2 cents. I came to Polaris after 3 unhappy days spent with Touch Pro (will not comment it at all) Only thing I dislike with Polaris is a yellowish color temperature of the screen. And thats it.
Wm6.5 is definitely not heavy for Polaris - unless you understand wm6.5 is all about Titanium and Honeycomb start menu. The problem is that cookers mostly post ROMs overloaded with various things that YOU might never need (and cannot edit). Try one of 6.5 kithens (Gullum's is excellent) and clear everything you don't need from it to see how fast wm6.5 can be. My Polaris has some 62 MB free with S2U2, Today Agenda, HTC Home (yep, usability over looks) and pTravel alarm running on homescreen (all cooked into ROM). It is faster compared to 3lite VI naked ROM I flashed to my brother's Polaris. (3lite VI ROM is mentioned only as example, and is one of the best and fastest 6.1 ROMs IMPO).
From my experience wm6.5 biggest advantage is in tweaked interface compared to 6.1 (for example finger friendly tree-dialogue menus, taskbar buttons on the bottom of the screen, finger friendly contacts and calendar apps etc.), with some other minor glitches of 6.1 resolved. Add to that fact that with recent builds you have visible changes between them and you can choose one according to your preferences - gives you something very promising and inevitable.
Good Evening everyone,
I have recently got my hands on a HTC HD with WinMo 6.1
I was wondering if someone would be able to recommend me the following:
WinMo 6.5.1 Rom with HTC Manila (Or Sense??)
What people think the best Radio is for Battery life vs signal strength? (If it helps I am on UK T-Mobile)
Thanks in advance, greatly appreciated...
Honestly, over a year I've had this phone, and I've tried hundreds of ROMs and for the last month, I'm back to stock rom. They're all great, but you must try them first, you might like them, you might not. There are too many I like for me to mention. Try http://pocketpc-live.com/touch-hd/best-rom-for-htc-touch-hd.html
As stated above, far to many roms to choose from, and everyone has different opinions so couldn't select one for you as my opinion changes daily. As for radio, this can be dependant on your location so again you would need to try a few, though there is only a small amount of radio's to choose from
In 10 days as I have Blackstone, ROM in my signature is 4th.
I guess I'll stick with it for some time since I don't see much advantage in 6.5.x ROMs...
It's my opinion.
Thanks for the replies, Just wanted to know what peoples favs are at present. I am downloading about 4 different roms to try. Currently trying Duttys as I have used his before on my TD but don't think this one is right for me so will see what the other four are like, but its going to be leaving them over night taking a long time to download ......
I've used the stock ROM 6.1 for about a year and was satisfied with it but there was nothing finger friendly there, I had to tweak font size of popup menus and such to have some kind of finger friendly device.
A month ago, I switched to the ROM on my signature and also updated the Radio to the latest release.
From a OS point of view, this ROM (6.5) just flies, this is quite incredible. I've tried several other ROMs (Xnor, PDAViet) all being 6.5.x ROMs but I reverted back. WM 6.1 and 6.5 are fine and quite speedy but 6.5.x (bottom startmenu and close button) are way too experimental yet and thus very slow and heavy to deal with everyday (at least for me). Do not misunderstand me, the above mentioned ROM are well done by their authors, I blame WM 6.5.x for all the slowlyness I faced during tests, I'm sure there was no special fault from the cooks.
I intend to cook this ROM a bit to change some aspects but nothing fundamental. I recommend it, it's very fast and stable.
From a Radio point of view, I must admit that 1.17.x (with latest RILPhone cab too) makes dialing a bit faster (less laggy) and gets signal in very adverse conditions but in the other hand, drains a bit more battery. I was previously using 1.13.x radio from the stock WWE ROM so one of these days, I'll downgrade to 1.14.x radio to see if I still get the increased battery usage.
Hope this helps a bit.
So.. after I've tried almost every Manila 2.5 ROM, i can finally flash back
to 'Miri's WM 6.5 | V33.0' and keep it (until i get HD2 device).
Sense 2.5 works really slow on the Blackstone, no matter what ROM i use.
On the other hand, Sense 2.1 is fast and stable, and the differences in terms of speed are huge.
Personally i think that Sense 2.5 doesn't worth it, but i would like to get
your opinions on this matter. maybe i'm missing something.
What makes you use it?
The only differences i found is new tabs like 'footprints' and shortcuts on
the home page.
Have you ever tried a rom from flashmore?! I agree...most of the roms I have tested are really slow. However, I do not know how flashmore managed it, but his rom is really fast. There is no difference in the speed to manila 2.1 roms. Give it a chance and post your feedback!!!
You can find the link to download the rom here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=598688
Download the newest version and I promise you will be surprised!!!!
Sounds interesting.
I'm gonna flash this ROM and will post my feedback for sure..
Thanks.
EDIT: Flashed and played with it for a couple of hours, and although the manila works faster than in any
other 2.5 ROM i tried, it's still laggy and not as fast as Manila 2.1. The new manila takes lots of resources and causes
my device to overheat.
For me there was no striking difference in speed.....but maybe if you take a close look at both versions 2.1 is a little bit faster. However, flashmores version is definetly not slow! Maybe...and I say maybe it is a alittle bit more energy consuming than 2.1 versions, but the design of manila 2.5 is waaay better than in 2.1 and htc sense is something that I do not wanne miss!! However it is a question of taste in my opinion
I agree with you with regards to the speed of manila 2.5 on the Blackstone. I am running the latest flashmore rom, and it is nowhere near the speed of the 6.1 / manila 2.1 roms (Topix ones are really the best in my opinion).
However, the following makes me keep trying the new 6.5/Sense2.5 roms:
- Better integration of the agenda functions into sense: the "agenda" view is great and the HTC screen for new appointments is much more functionnal than the MS one
- Better integration of emails: I love the mail preview of 2.5 (although I miss the fact that you cannot mark the messages as read from here)
- Much better Fav Contacts page, with a lot more options and and more direct access to your favorite contacts.
- The new document type is nice
That's about it, but these are functions I use constantly. Of course, the tradeoff is huge (slow!, HTC messenging awfully sluggish, laggy weather tabs...) and that's why I am still flashing weekly in hope of a significant increase in manila2.5 speeds
I'm using Miri v16 with sense 2.5 and I think that it's really a fast rom
sandresimon said:
I agree with you with regards to the speed of manila 2.5 on the Blackstone. I am running the latest flashmore rom, and it is nowhere near the speed of the 6.1 / manila 2.1 roms (Topix ones are really the best in my opinion).
However, the following makes me keep trying the new 6.5/Sense2.5 roms:
- Better integration of the agenda functions into sense: the "agenda" view is great and the HTC screen for new appointments is much more functionnal than the MS one
- Better integration of emails: I love the mail preview of 2.5 (although I miss the fact that you cannot mark the messages as read from here)
- Much better Fav Contacts page, with a lot more options and and more direct access to your favorite contacts.
- The new document type is nice
That's about it, but these are functions I use constantly. Of course, the tradeoff is huge (slow!, HTC messenging awfully sluggish, laggy weather tabs...) and that's why I am still flashing weekly in hope of a significant increase in manila2.5 speeds
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Thanks for sharing this with me.
I think the best way to enjoy Sense 2.5 is by getting an HD2
You should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt6LHOi5Q58 and
see how fast sense 2.5 supposed to be.
We should be grateful for having the opportunity to test this system on our
Blackstone, thanks to the devs, but for now, i find sense 2.1 as a better
choice for a day-by-day ROM.
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Have you ever tried a rom from flashmore?! I agree...most of the roms I have tested are really slow. However, I do not know how flashmore managed it, but his rom is really fast. There is no difference in the speed to manila 2.1 roms. Give it a chance and post your feedback!!!
You can find the link to download the rom here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=598688
Download the newest version and I promise you will be surprised!!!!
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Hi Pimpdaddyd,
I've just read the last 20 pages of the thread for that ROM, which include a load of issues regarding the latest version!
The thread itself seems to recommend flashing an earlier version?
Anway, out of interest:
1. Is HSPLWrapper_Blackstone_156OliNex by OliNex a suitable HSPL to flash this ROM?
2. With regards to the instruction "copy this file to the windows folder with a file manager, it may ask to overwrite, this will correct the default background for Manila and dont forget to softreset." ..... Can I just do this via Active Sync instead of file manager?
Thanks,
Mattster.
I, like you, was tired of dogginess on 2.5 manila roms and always went back to 6.5/2.1 roms. I was in and out of flashmore, it has always been my favorite 2.5 rom but there always seemed to be a bug here and there which kept me from falling in love. Flashmore is awesome and he does a great job but I was not 100% happy like I was with a good weather clock 2.1 rom.
But yesterday I put in the cloudy rom and wow! Mamma mia that is one smooth running rom. It's perfect for me. After flashing 20+ roms on my phone I think I finally found the one that's going to keep me from playing with my phone.
Please be sure to give the cloudy a try before you give up. I'm not trying to be a fanboy or anything but after being frustrated for so long I think I'm finally happy with a Leo rom and wanted to share.
Good luck.
blackdragon v1.8 is very quick, try it out!!
GoldCoin said:
Thanks for sharing this with me.
I think the best way to enjoy Sense 2.5 is by getting an HD2
You should watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt6LHOi5Q58 and
see how fast sense 2.5 supposed to be.
We should be grateful for having the opportunity to test this system on our
Blackstone, thanks to the devs, but for now, i find sense 2.1 as a better
choice for a day-by-day ROM.
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That video is definitive. But I consider it's imposible to get that speed even in manila 2.1 in our Blackstone
I've tried almost any 2.5 manila rom and always a I return to a 2.1 one. Now I'm running topix and it's smooth and sufficient for me.
Never a 2.5 rom will be as fast a 2.1 one, it's a matter of hardware.
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Have you ever tried a rom from flashmore?! I agree...most of the roms I have tested are really slow. However, I do not know how flashmore managed it, but his rom is really fast. There is no difference in the speed to manila 2.1 roms. Give it a chance and post your feedback!!!
You can find the link to download the rom here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=598688
Download the newest version and I promise you will be surprised!!!!
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Well, I tried it and decided although Sense 2.5 has a better weather animation and a "week to a view" agenda, there is no way I could put up with the lag for more than a day. Thanks for the suggestion though. I'm back to Topix WM6.1 with Sense 2.1.
Mattster.
honestly try blackDragon Rom 1.8...it's worth...cause it's as smooth as a blackstone rom can be.
Seriously guys, check out this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614538
You would be doing an injustice to yourself if you did not at least investigate it and read the comments. Many of you are not aware of Cloudyfa because this is his first rom for the Blackstone but he's a long time, highly respected chef and his 1.0 for Blackstone is nothing short of amazing. At least read the thread. This thing runs like melted butter on my phone, the closest my phone has ever gotten to feeling like an HD2.
This is the last I will say about it.
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I'm using Miri v16 with sense 2.5 and I think that it's really a fast rom
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I'm using Miri WM 6.5 21889 :: MANILA 2.5 :: REV 18.0 as my current Sense 2.5 ROM with the Driver Pack 3 and GFXBoost but not the Mikenif driver.
Also...don't forget the Leo Patch for the driver pack from Chainfire.
Also on a side note... the best 2.1 ROM I used was also Miri's (v35)
Since the speed in WM6.1 is far better than WM6.5 or WM6.5.x, Would it possible to have a WM6.1 + HTC Sense 2.5 instead?
KWBR's ROM
There is no WM 6.1 with Manila 2.5 anymore.. The most projects are on ice:
As example:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547278
PS: KWBR's 6.1 ROMs are not using Manila 2.5, just 2.1
I still own a Diamond and tested out the Gen.Y D2X R2.6 from yozgatg:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=590090
Especially when I installed Cookie's Home tab with WM6.1 + Sense 2.5, my diamond was super smooth. First time I felt my old Diamond was better than my HD.
Really hope to see a version for the Blackstone...
WM6.1 + Sense 2.5
Hi coatercup !
coatercup said:
Really hope to see a version for the Blackstone...
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Here is My Version for HD > http://www.htc-developers.de/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=6182
BUT its in GERMAN !!!
Have fun !
TOggER
TOggER said:
Hi coatercup !
Here is My Version for HD > http://www.htc-developers.de/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=6182
BUT its in GERMAN !!!
Have fun !
TOggER
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Great man, do you think you will do a WWE version?
Would love to try it...
coatercup said:
Great man, do you think you will do a WWE version?
Would love to try it...
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miri did one way back, it was the fastest 2.5 todate still, i would like to see one to manilla 2.5 2012 and 6.1 would be awesome mix, speed stability and sense 2.5.
Would also love this, the speed of something like SL's Cleanrom, and the looks of Cloudys 6.5 roms, beauty and speed rolled into one.
Its really what im after, the best combination of fewest bugs, snappiest with 6.1 resource levels (for multitasking) with a dark black clean look and animated beauty of sense.
Are people's perception of fast or slow ROMs reflective of the difference between running 6.1 vs 6.5 or is it simply that most 6.5 also have Sense 2.5 which makes the ROM slower?
I guess I can't tell the difference between a stripped down 6.1 or stripped down 6.5 as far as performance goes. But a stripped down ROM seems faster than either ROM running Sense 2.5.
I'm not talking about benchmark scores of a few points higher or lower, but in actual use of the device.
Reading about the differences between 6.1 and 6.5 suggest that the operating system is identical besides a few visual changes for the most part. And of course the visual changes are very minor and wouldn't cause slowdowns anyhow. So I don't know why 6.1 would be any faster than 6.5 or vice versa, assuming you're using the same UI.
The only one i can find that is a cooked 6.1 + Manila 2.5 is:
Miri WM 6.1 21054 - MANILA 2.5 :: V 3.0 [DISCONTINUED]
Considering all other threads related to this topic talk about how there will be lots of bugs, I think miri's V3 is going to be the least buggy since its probably one of the if not the only WWE 6.1 + Manila 2.5 you'll ever see.
(or at least until 6.5 is finished and a cook decides to try 6.1 + the newest HTC stuff again.)
So before this topic gets closed, I just want to share this, because I feel 6.5 is no good for resources at all, I haven't had a 6.5 rom yet which I can use the HTC music player and do anything else at the same time due to lack of resources.
as for the miri rom, many report of bugs but lots of them got fixed, its said to be much faster then the 6.5 roms, some say that the Manila 2.5 is not what makes the phone slow but the OS.
If I can get these features working on this rom:
qwertylesh said:
WM6.1 with the newest TF3D/Sense/Manilla possible, Neos 2010 signed drivers, mort script, bgforall, 4/5 grid start menu, android stock black icons, su2u lock, in a normal build (not lite or heavy)
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It'll probably become my permanent phone rom.
Edit:
After taking the plunge, All seems very good! This rom is light enough to allow you to multitask unlike 6.5 roms.
So far Ive tried a few things out and will list them as I go
HD Tweak: Fine
BGForAll w/Mortscript: Doesn't work (Sets all backgrounds black and is irreversable AFAIK)
StartMenuGrid4: Doesn't work (No bad side effects found)
Neo's DriverPack Signed 2010: Works!! Its like going from a 256 colour Windows desktop to a 32bit one, If you try the above rom this Cab is Highly recommended to fix up bad colours and speed it up further [linky]
Dusk Evolution 2.5 v4.0: Works!! (Changes boot loader to say WM6.5, Sense wallpaper doesn't work after applying)
Left to try:
S2U2
qwertylesh said:
The only one i can find that is a cooked 6.1 + Manila 2.5 is:
Miri WM 6.1 21054 - MANILA 2.5 :: V 3.0 [DISCONTINUED]
Considering all other threads related to this topic talk about how there will be lots of bugs, I think miri's V3 is going to be the least buggy since its probably one of the if not the only WWE 6.1 + Manila 2.5 you'll ever see.
(or at least until 6.5 is finished and a cook decides to try 6.1 + the newest HTC stuff again.)
So before this topic gets closed, I just want to share this, because I feel 6.5 is no good for resources at all, I haven't had a 6.5 rom yet which I can use the HTC music player and do anything else at the same time due to lack of resources.
as for the miri rom, many report of bugs but lots of them got fixed, its said to be much faster then the 6.5 roms, some say that the Manila 2.5 is not what makes the phone slow but the OS.
If I can get these features working on this rom:
It'll probably become my permanent phone rom.
Edit:
After taking the plunge, All seems very good! This rom is light enough to allow you to multitask unlike 6.5 roms.
So far Ive tried a few things out and will list them as I go
HD Tweak: Fine
BGForAll w/Mortscript: Doesn't work (Sets all backgrounds black and is irreversable AFAIK)
StartMenuGrid4: Doesn't work (No bad side effects found)
Neo's DriverPack Signed 2010: Works!! Its like going from a 256 colour Windows desktop to a 32bit one, If you try the above rom this Cab is Highly recommended to fix up bad colours and speed it up further [linky]
Dusk Evolution 2.5 v4.0: Works!! (Changes boot loader to say WM6.5, Sense wallpaper doesn't work after applying)
Left to try:
S2U2
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well but sine 6.5 still is buggy on the HD trying to make it happened for 6.1 is not an issue miris rom is the best sense 2.5 rom out there, the fastest most responsive.
Bugs are there to resolve before miri did this rom numerous ppl said it was impossible, miri proved it was not for a skilled chef that knows his way around the kitchen.
I think we need a chef that stands out from the rest
Its certainly very fast compared to other roms!! and because its Sense 2.5 its elegant too.
I would love to fix up a few bugs ive found in the rom, however I dont have the skill
Still, Its now my permanent rom.
Im very happy with miris 6.1 Sense 2.5 rom
qwertylesh said:
Its certainly very fast compared to other roms!! and because its Sense 2.5 its elegant too.
I would love to fix up a few bugs ive found in the rom, however I dont have the skill
Still, Its now my permanent rom.
Im very happy with miris 6.1 Sense 2.5 rom
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sorry to say i also lack the skill, maybe a team should get togheter still would need a expert.... to join in
to all the chefs out there: this is the chance to prove yourselves ^^
BuroBernd said:
to all the chefs out there: this is the chance to prove yourselves ^^
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probably this is just for the real experts not many chefs ould pull this off, miri could, but he has moved on
I'm still not satisfied with the peformance actually.
Maybe Sense 2.5 is part of the problem.
The Touch HD is a fairly powerful mobile, it should be capable of performing several tasks without freezing up.
Im going to keep using 6.1, An XDA forum member did bechmarks of all the 6.1 roms that were around at the time they did the benches. Any of the top several roms should peform really nice:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5264370&postcount=760
I will probably download and flash one of them tomrrow.
Can anyone show me the link to Miri's WM6.1 + Sense 2.5 rom? I would like to try it out. Thanks.
EDIT: Nevermind, found it. For those interested:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547278
yeah, it was 7 posts up.
its quite a good rom, its a bit buggy I could point out a bunch, most of them are tolerable considering the speed of the rom compared to 6.5 roms.
As the Rom is discontinued,can someone post a mirror please because Rapidshare sucks very bad to me....
edit: sorry I can't up it right now.
Hello fellow flashers,
What a journey it has been.......
About 1,5 years ago I started flashing cooked roms. Miri and Dutty produced some great roms which showed what our precious Blackstone can do. Those and other roms had lots of bugs, but it was fun to play around with them.
Lately, the most popular roms have been developed into great pieces of work and major bugs are in the past. It's mostly minor stuff that's hardly annoying.
I flashed almost all available roms on this forum from chef's such as Energy, Xannytech, Grzegorz, Cloudy, Miniteror's, Mikenifficent, BlackSTONEhenge, Kenia's Blacknew, Millski, Maryone, PhamQuang and Lotus, but I always went back to one of the KWBR's Topix roms. Especially the WM6.1 sense 2.1 rom, which was my longtime favorite.
So why back 2 basics?
I flashed back to the "latest" Dutch stock rom and almost fully tweaked it to optimal settings using HD-tweak, HD settings, SKtools and driverpack signed 2010. The rom is flying like a maniac and I can't believe how fast my blackstone is (even compared with the fastest coocked roms floating around). I also made some cosmetic colour changes to the slider and taskbar (see avatar) and it still uses only 33% of memory....amazing!
The only downfall in my opinion is the WM6.1 part. Some programs can't be instaled through marketplace, but I can live with that. Also because of the age of the roms a lot of programs are old, but everything works like a charm. Also, TomTom and Google maps work extremely fast and the responsiveness and quickness of the rom is extremely good.
By using all the latest roms the last couple of months (which usually use between 45-55% of memory and even more after applying tweaks) I forgot how fast this device can be.
I think i'll stick with this rom-version 4 a while and see how the development on this forum goes. On the other hand, I might flash tomorrow again as one of these great chef's comes up with with Dutty called: "the holy grail". We'll see....
Fact is: it's addicting as hell to play around with our device, but you all know what i am talking about, right?
Tnx 2 all you chef's 4 the great roms and keep up the good work!
Had an iphone for 2 years. Got my HD quite recently, came with some win6.5 manilla2.5 rom. Tried a lot of roms, and all the time had the feeling of lagginess and slowness.
Then i tried kwbr topaz and rhodium roms and the stock rom. Well this device is meant to be fast afterall. I don't really get why you people use those i_wanna_look_like_leo roms =)
And i don't really see any sense in upgrading windows as well, unless you don't like your manilla, coz titanium is quite ok for a daily use.
So now there's only three roms that i really enjoy: the stock rom (it's meant to be like that), the rhodium/topaz rom (fit just like the stock one, but with some added features)(thank's a lot kwbr), and a clean 6.5 - 6.5.3 rom (haven't really found the perfect one)
i can speak for italian stock rom but every topix beats the sh33t out of the stock rom. cfc compression of tf3d/sense and all the tweaks cant be beaten by the stock rom
My question is can someone direct me to the LINK from where i can Download the Latest WWE Stock ROM, i need only the nbh File because i will use the Stock one with diferent Radio version
I saw alot of Official ROM in the Wiki but they are Uploaded in few Pars and they are on Rapidshare so i will need to download one ROM few days because when i download 1 or 2 times from Rapidshare i cannot download more for today. Also im not sure do this post is Up to Date for this reason im asking you here...
I need a WWE ROM its good enought if its WWE Europe.
I already have on my Desktop PC ROM: RUU_BlackStone_HTC_WWE_1.56.405.1_Radio_52.62.25.34_1.13.25.24_Ship
But i don`t know do this is the Latest Avalible? also is writen that is 1.56 so this mean someday in the future when i need to get back to the Stock one and im not with 1.56 Olinex i don`t need to be back to 1.14 Olinex right? because this ROM is 1.56
_7_ said:
Hello fellow flashers,
What a journey it has been.......
About 1,5 years ago I started flashing cooked roms. Miri and Dutty produced some great roms which showed what our precious Blackstone can do. Those and other roms had lots of bugs, but it was fun to play around with them.
Lately, the most popular roms have been developed into great pieces of work and major bugs are in the past. It's mostly minor stuff that's hardly annoying.
I flashed almost all available roms on this forum from chef's such as Energy, Xannytech, Grzegorz, Cloudy, Miniteror's, Mikenifficent, BlackSTONEhenge, Kenia's Blacknew, Millski, Maryone, PhamQuang and Lotus, but I always went back to one of the KWBR's Topix roms. Especially the WM6.1 sense 2.1 rom, which was my longtime favorite.
So why back 2 basics?
I flashed back to the "latest" Dutch stock rom and almost fully tweaked it to optimal settings using HD-tweak, HD settings, SKtools and driverpack signed 2010. The rom is flying like a maniac and I can't believe how fast my blackstone is (even compared with the fastest coocked roms floating around). I also made some cosmetic colour changes to the slider and taskbar (see avatar) and it still uses only 33% of memory....amazing!
The only downfall in my opinion is the WM6.1 part. Some programs can't be instaled through marketplace, but I can live with that. Also because of the age of teh roms a lot of programs are old, but everything works like a charm. Also, TomTom and Google maps work extremely fast and the responsiveness and quickness of the rom is extremely good.
By using all the latest roms teh last couple of months (which usually use between 45-55% of memory and even more after applying tweaks) I forgot how fast this device can be.
I think i'll stick with this rom-version 4 a while and see how the development on this forum goes. On the other hand, I might flash tomorrow again as one of these great chef's comes up with with Dutty called: "the holy grail". We'll see....
Fact is: it's addicting as hell to play around with our device, but you all know what i am talking about, right?
Tnx 2 all you chef's 4 the great roms and keep up the good work!
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Same issue here! Been trying almost every ROM you mentioned, and I planned to go back to the Dutch Stock tomorrow. Just out of curiosity, what tweaks did you do? Do you have the tools you installed available as an installer or something. Please let know.
SJackal said:
Same issue here! Been trying almost every ROM you mentioned, and I planned to go back to the Dutch Stock tomorrow. Just out of curiosity, what tweaks did you do? Do you have the tools you installed available as an installer or something. Please let know.
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Hi there,
Almost all the speed improvement tweaks while using HD-tweak, HD settings, SKtools and I installed SD-tuneup, Colored slider + taskbar, Wifisharing and driverpack signed 2010. That's about it.
You can find all those programs as cabs on this forum.
Good luck!
_7_ said:
Hi there,
Almost all the speed improvement tweaks while using HD-tweak, HD settings, SKtools and I installed SD-tuneup, Colored slider + taskbar, Wifisharing and driverpack signed 2010. That's about it.
You can find all those programs as cabs on this forum.
Good luck!
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Hi _7_
I returned today to the Oficial Portuguese ROM too.
Can you tell me where can I find the Colored slider+taskbar that you use, or the name?
Thanks
_7_ said:
Hi there,
Almost all the speed improvement tweaks while using HD-tweak, HD settings, SKtools and I installed SD-tuneup, Colored slider + taskbar, Wifisharing and driverpack signed 2010. That's about it.
You can find all those programs as cabs on this forum.
Good luck!
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I flashed back to the original Dutch stock, did the tweaks you mentioned, added a nice theme+taskbar and installed Facebook, Marketplace, G-Alarm, TomTom and Opera 10. The ROM flies, has every tool a use and just uses 33% at startup. Never went over 48% till now!
Thanks for your tip!
As much as I appreciate this thread, it hasn't got anything to do with development so I am moving it to the general forum
what eyecandy/tools are you using to make an old stock rom look good?
the main reason to move from stock 6.1 to wm6.5 and sense2.5 is the look, isn't it? I like on home tab the weather animation, links to programs (CHT), the funktionally people and the email tab ...
so my question is:
what eyecandy/tools are you using to make an old stock rom look good?
any pics & links, please.
A while back, I flashed back to the latest WWE stock ROM and thought I'd stick it out for a bit, but the lack of kinetic scrolling really caught me out to the point I could hardly use the phone (I never realised I'd gotten so used to WM6.5!)
Then I tried kwbr's WM6.5 and Manila 2.1 (no sense) and found that while it does use more memory than a WM6.1 ROM does (37% after a softboot), I've not seen it over 50% unless I've a few apps running at the same time. And I've got my kinetic scrolling back
Out of curiosity, how much difference does Neo's driverpack actually make to the stock ROM as I was led to believe it only made a noticeable difference to those using Sense 2.5 which used the graphics-side a lot more?
Well.......after using the modified stock rom for a couple of weeks I could not resist trying some newly coocked roms.
I found a rom that really meets my expectations and needs:
[ROM][WWE][10-Jul-10] Cloudy 0.4 (WM6.1)
Try and see 4 yourself!
Greetz!
Barebone
Have you tried [ROM][WWE][WM 6.1][Jun 24]Barebone 2.6 ?
Very fast ROM with all the useless stuff removed. Much faster than stock ROM in my experience.