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Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
There's alot more to WM than meets the eye you know. The Xperia is hyped with the Panels in mind but it's certainly not the only feature there's alot more that can be done.
I, myself have removed the panels completely, I don't like them and never used them. I currently use the Panels button to open my comm manager so I can change what's on and what's not.
Have you installed any other software for you phone at all? Just a few interfaces to mention for instance:
TouchFlo
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Mobile Shell
Im sure there's more. The bottom two offer a heck of alot of customization for the "look" of your phone. Skins/Icons. You could have it looking like an iPhone if you wanted, or there abouts.
On top of that there's more programs that you can install than you can shake a stick at. It's much like a PC, the amount of things you can do with it is amazing.
I'll agree there are problems with the device, but the problem with the majority is they always look on the negatives and not the positives. Sometimes the phone is a bit hard to use and after showing a few friends of mine the phone, they have really liked it but I have had to put them off the phone because they without being rude don't have the knowledge to use the phone and be happy with it to it's fullest.
Windows Mobile really is what you make it, some like it, some hate it. It's not the greatest of operating systems for phones and it's probably one of the most hardest to use and learn, but the options you have are well worth the effort.
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Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?
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Congratulations, did you have to make a thread about it?
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what's so wrong of posting it here? i think he has the rights to express his feelings.
mate, i hated windows mobile before! yes i did, even though i'm a microsoft "fan" but when i used my X1, i started customizing it in a way that really fits my needs, and now i'm using my phone as a computer which is always in my pocket!
you can find alot of cool stuff in the forum, customize your phone and play arround with it, change all default values (be careful not to change something that will make you hard reset, and always backup). Customize the phone, windows is the most flexible and customizable OS ever (sorry Linux fans).
let me know if you need any help
The thing that concerns ME is that SE and HTC have parted ways, and no longer co-operate.
That means the support level for our HTC-made Xperia X1's is going down the tubes. HTC is the one most likely responsible for firmware upgrades to their hardware, so now that SE and HTC no longer co-operate/partner I highly doubt HTC will be making any firmware updates for our phone.
Consider this... the HTC Touch HD has been released after the X1, yet has already receive one or two firmware updates by HTC to fix various issues. The X1 has received ZERO updates.
SE has basically decided to give up on the Xperia X1 from what we can see, since they moved to a new manufacturer.
Of course, this doesn't mean the great developers at XDA will not be coming out with home brew firmwares and fixes, but it does mean that official support from SE is probably going to be winding down and dying...
why else would a simple fix to the bluetooth problem (which MANY people here have found) is not being pushed out? Because SE doesn't want to pay HTC to release the firmware fix since they no longer co-operate.
Oh well. I hope to be proven wrong, but the fact HTC is pushing out firmware updates for all their devices but NOT the Xperia X1 (despite being released longer) confirms this.
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Sony is not doing ANYTHING bout the xperia.. have they given up with it? im getting soooooo bored with the phone, theres no new panels etc. i'm never getting a windows mobile phone
http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/palm-pres-new-ness-event-video-now-viewable/
seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!
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U said it "seems to be much much much much better than WinsMo will ever get!".
R U using it so you knew it is much more better ?
go buy a nokia s40 phone and then use your x1 again. let me know what you like more and would rather use.
I allways look at this that my new X1 is as a toy for Big boy.
Its all abaut somthing changing experimenting tweaking.
I like this .
or just buy nokia 6110 make call, recive call and sleep well in the nights.
I was always under the impression that this was a dsicussion forum for the understanding and development of a set of phones.
Unfortunately lately it's become an area for people with no understanding to moan.
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Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?
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What a load of crap.
All we know is that HTC won't be building the X2 (or whatever they end up calling it) together. We don't even know what OS is going to run on it.
However it's SE responsibilty for the software, they are working on a new firmware, whether those on branded phone will see it depends on their networks (unless you do a DIY job).
And if SE do need help from HTC with some hardware issues, HTC will need to provided it, they will be under contract and most likely will want to build future models (X3).
HTC is not going to produce "next" Sony Ericsson phone.
HTC still produces XPERIA for Sony Ericcson.
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Eeek! That's news to me. I was planning on buying an X1 soon (read: early next month?), but now I'm going to have to reconsider after I send Sony a line of questions. If HTC isn't making the phone anymore, who is? Or is it simply going to go out of stock after the reserves sell?
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no-one said that,
SE aren't using HTC to develop future phone, it looks like they're using asus instead.. although it could also be that the x2 is android based :0
so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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dude, my xperia only turns off if i have to restart due to some registry tweak, since the R3A update, i never experienced a hang
you could have posted me your previous xperia, only if i had the money to burn i would buy another
x1, there is none that can come close
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...The X1 has received ZERO updates.
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What's so funny is that you make this statement on the XDA website. What world are you in???
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so has anyone seen what the Palm's new PRE can do?
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Yes and I find it pathetic. Good thing people are working on a WinMo port for it.
colourblind said:
hi guys, a quick update :
IM SO OVER WITH THIS CRAP PHONE. ive just changed to Samsung HD i8910 and ohmygod, what a relieve!! ive used it for 5 days and the phone has not hanged for once!! amazing, im so glad.
sony has not done anything for the xperia, and now an xperia 2 already?? lol.
my xperia is in the bin, was sooo mad at it, i smashed it and well its over.
never ever a winMo .
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Lies.....
I have seen what the new Palm Pre can do...it's a good interface but basically that's all it has good interface.
And yes I am impressed but I told myself, I will never buy a Palm because it looks like it has shifted from pda function to a P.O.S. kid's toy ... a competitor to the iphone.
I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
Also...I really really want the Omnia HD...it's multimedia and out of the box experience is great, but AGAIN, symbian add-on software isn't as good. So if I were to buy a Samsung Omnia HD, I would buy it as a PMP, and I would buy a Toshiba TG01 as a Pocket PC.
But for now, Xperia has some qualities of Omnia HD and some qualities of other good and fast windows mobile phones like Toshiba TG01. Obviously Omnia HD doesn't have windows mobile, which I prefer over symbian (I've used symbian S60 first before switch to Windows Mobile), and it's also obvious that Toshiba TG01 doesn't have headphone jack and keyboard like the Xperia. So Xperia is the sort of the best of both worlds for now.
If I had cash I'd buy Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD seperate...but if only XDA developed for the Toshiva TG01....
If there was a super godlike overkill hybrid phone that was both the Toshiba TG01 and Omnia HD...I would buy that hybrid instead...
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I am looking for a backup device when I don't have the computer, not some stupid kid's toy.
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I think we should sticky that comment to the front page. IN BIG LETTERS.
ok,,,, finaly out of my 18 month contract and can now get something new and shiny to replace my ageing N95
Was looking seriosly at the Touch HD....... but now the Hero has come along and i cant decide what to do ;0(
I know a little about windows mobile... but nothing about Android...
I just want a nice phone with a good screen... ( i belive the Hero is capacative which is better than resistive? or nicer to use at any rate.. )
But with the Android OS... can i still load in 3rd party apps and software like i can with my N95 symbian OS?? ,, i have things like Garmin XT route GPS program and things like that? can that all still be used on Android phones? or are they more like the iphone and can only take specificaly written stuff for that OS?
If you were buying your first Touchscreen atm... what would you choose out of the hero or Touch HD?? or is there somethign else i should maybe be considering?
Many thanks
Chivalryyyy said:
ok,,,, finaly out of my 18 month contract and can now get something new and shiny to replace my ageing N95
Was looking seriosly at the Touch HD....... but now the Hero has come along and i cant decide what to do ;0(
I know a little about windows mobile... but nothing about Android...
I just want a nice phone with a good screen... ( i belive the Hero is capacative which is better than resistive? or nicer to use at any rate.. )
But with the Android OS... can i still load in 3rd party apps and software like i can with my N95 symbian OS?? ,, i have things like Garmin XT route GPS program and things like that? can that all still be used on Android phones? or are they more like the iphone and can only take specificaly written stuff for that OS?
If you were buying your first Touchscreen atm... what would you choose out of the hero or Touch HD?? or is there somethign else i should maybe be considering?
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After 10 seconds worth of searching I found these threads on this topic:
Hero vs Touch HD vs iPhone 3GS UI Speed
HTC Touch HD versus HTC Hero
In future try searching before creating a new thread and abide by forum rules.
Please post further queries on this subject in either thread.
Ta
Rick
I'm anxious to know what you all think about the HTC Leo and the Nokia N900. Which of these two devices is a suitable repacement for our beloved Touch HD??
regards, Kuzibri
Leo........
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Leo........
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could you explain why?
kuzibri said:
could you explain why?
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I hate Nokia and love HTC?
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I hate Nokia and love HTC?
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not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?
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not really an objective answer. I love HTC too, but the N900 isn't that bad. Why do you hate Nokia?
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I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.
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I hate Nokia because of Symbian OS.
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N900 is not Symbian but Maemo (Linux)
i am actualy considering the N900 , i love HTC as a company ,
but i am very dissapointed from the HTC speed .
and because of that , the Leo is a device with strong processor , and a very bad OS.
if he had the N900 OS , or android , that was nice .
anyway , N900 for me !
and someone should tell HTC to stop sell a good device with bad OS !
Leo looks as though it could be a great device, but Windows Mobile 6.5 is just really starting to show its age and bulkiness(slow even on a Snapdragon). HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
I love my Touch HD, but compared to my friend's 3GS it doesn't have many strong points(and compared to the n900 it loses on all accounts). I'd still wait for more announcement concerning the Xperia X3 before making my final choice.
N900 is interesting but the "Landscape Only" is ugly... Linux OS makes it like PC and this is good but CPU/RAM/Battery moving it?
I have Touch HD and I don't think to buy Leo because no real improvements but not N900 too
I'm waiting for something in future
D'rath
I'm with you D'rath on this one as Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android. February 2010 is going to be an interesting month for sure!
I'l be waiting for Tegra/WinMo 7 before i change my HD
when i saw the leo video review i decided to keep my hd leo camera still sucks only improvement is the processor but in the review it is not also so fast don't differ allot the only issue with hd is that it will not get wm6.5 officially when talking about memo5 in nokia n900 it has not allot of applications and not good support for games and applications
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...Archos just announced their 4.3 Inch Phone Tablet outfitted with a 1Ghz Hummingbird and android.
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Has it actually been announced or is it just more rumours?
If it's the former, do you have a link?
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HTC also gimped it by giving it a 65k screen - what's the point of having such a large screen if everything looks like crap on it?
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It was probably gimped because WM 6.5 only supports 65k colors... still.
The appeal of getting a enormous screen and a much faster processor in Leo is tempting. N900 is interesting, but being a completely new OS think it's best to wait and see. The X3 / SE Rachel also looks tasty, but again too few details to make it a sure-buy.
If nuerom can get overclocking working stablely on the MSM 720x devices I think I'll stay on HD for until end of next year at least
I got for the Leo, I will buy it when it hit the streets.
N900 is bulky compared to leo (because the hardward qwerty keyboard), Leo seems to be faster and more polished in the picture viewer and video playback. Not to mention the multitouch of Leo, wich can become a standard for WM7 and future high end devices.
So for leo:
+Multitouch
+4.3" screen
+I like touchflo
+I love TouchFlo3d
-Dont like WM 6.5 (perhaps with some tweking start menu can be set to work like 6.1,need to read further about this)
...and for Nokia:
+hardware qwerty
-Not symbian (how many aplicacions exist for that varely unused "new" os?)
-Not like the interface
I don't think I would spend that much money on a Htc Leo, and only get a litle faster, a bigger screen and multi touch. I would rather keep my HD, which can do almost anything that Leo can.
If i buy a new phone it has to be much better than the HD, the HD can do almost anything (with a leo rom, its even much better)
The N900 looks like a nice phone. A qwerty keyboard is nice, and I like on the first sight the new Linux os. But I will wait for a while till I get a new device.
n900 for me - I've had guts-full of winmo, and android just doesnt do it for me (dont really like the interface or the architecture tbh).
And btw to the people who say they 'love' these companies because of x, y or z - get real lol. the only time I can imagine someone loving a company is if they either work for that company and they are being paid to say it or they have developed some twisted form of Stockholm syndrome around their employer... if you don't fit into either of these categories, you are a fanboi idiot both are capitalist scumbag companies nearly as bad as apple they cant help it, its just how the world works.
as for the actual devices the n900 interests me greatly, being the smallest posix compliant device ever (afaik?). to 'tarded joe public that probably doesnt mean anything, but to a coder/geek its fantastic!
andriod imo is hacky and not very mmmm.. viable(?) for a range of application areas (e.g. video players?) - is it true that all the apps for android have to be written in java? for real? why?
to me, the n900 looks to be suffering from early run hw problems - these im told should be fixed in the 2nd and 3rd runs. as for the software, anything that is currently not working im very sure will be working very soon - simply due to the community around the device and the openness of the platform - this alone sets the n900 apart from everything else - including android (which although linux based, is very different) - a great example of this fact is the fmradio app (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fmradio/).
if i've offended you with my opinion in this post, you may consider yourself offended - i don't care!
so, come January, ill be picking up an n900 its the only path of progression for me. btw, if im wrong on anything here please correct me.
my 2p (;
fusi
I know people complain about HTC all the time (myself included) but they do produce nice phones. My main concern is that they create new phones all the time with no real improvement between them. I think you'll find the next release (or 2-3 after) will be the device worth moving to from the HD.
Also, I'm addicted like many other to flashing (phones ), customizing and tweaking my HD as well as finding new fixes, helping others and constantly being online at XDA. If I was to get the N900 I would lose all this.....................
i'm moving at the moment from the touch pro 2 to n900. why? because as someone posted above im sick of sloweliness of my device (altough latest AthineOS was excellent )
im also a flashing n customizing addict, and on every single device from htc ive had, after installing mod's the OS was simply slowing down.. even changing the wallpaper was a pain in the a**(especially in Manila- u know what i mean ).
im not saying that htc is crap or something, but n900 seems to better fit my needs now.
Getting it in couple days n we'll se was it worth going back to nokia ( god save me from that filthy n sh*tty Symbian) or not.
Surely i'll be missing htc in some way
I really like the design and specs of the HD2, but Windows Mobile makes it very buggy and unreliable :/ Since the new ROM-update didn't fix the sms-problem I need to return my HD2 and buy a new working phone, that can send smses without problems. Does anyone have any experience with the N900 and any cons/pros vs the HD2?
kasperknop said:
I really like the design and specs of the HD2, but Windows Mobile makes it very buggy and unreliable :/ Since the new ROM-update didn't fix the sms-problem I need to return my HD2 and buy a new working phone, that can send smses without problems. Does anyone have any experience with the N900 and any cons/pros vs the HD2?
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I had a chance to play with the N900. I must say it's awesome
My N900 should arrive in about a week, if you can wait I'll compare it to my HD2 for you....
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My N900 should arrive in about a week, if you can wait I'll compare it to my HD2 for you....
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Thanks mate =)
I'm also looking forward to your comparison
Is the resistive touchscreen a no go? I'm not sure, but everybody says that capacitive touchscreens are much much better.
I got my HD2 form eXpansys but I'll send it back. It's so buggy and my battery is the worst. I only lasts about 6 to 8 hours, and that's when I'm at work. So I'm doingt pretty much nothing with it...
N900 screen is nice, since you have the option of using a stylus or finger. Some Flash sites have smaller icons, so the stylus function is nice. This also comes handy for mouse function in Flash games.
I have about 200 Flash games saved to my N900 and launch through the file manager. A LOT of Flash games play very well launching them this way.
Resistive screen requiring a stylus? No multi-touch or pinch zoom support? A 3.5" screen instead of 4.3"? 600mhz processor instead of 1ghz?
No thanks, I'll stick to my HD2 if that's ok and I suggest you do the same.
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N900 screen is nice, since you have the option of using a stylus or finger.
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It's a resistive screen so while your finger might work if you press it a certain way (I can get my three year old O2 Orbit to work with my finger too), it's designed to be used with a stylus and comes with all the limitations that implies.
I got the chance to play around with the N900 for a few minutes, I don't regret getting the HD2.
Didn't like the OS, not that WM is any better, but HTC did an excellent job with Sense UI.
Should I sell my HD2 and buy a N900?
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ONLY if you prefer resistive screens.
Maemo is certainly not better than Windows Mobile at all and has its own shortcomings, just like any mobile OS.
kasperknop said:
I really like the design and specs of the HD2, but Windows Mobile makes it very buggy and unreliable :/ Since the new ROM-update didn't fix the sms-problem I need to return my HD2 and buy a new working phone, that can send smses without problems. Does anyone have any experience with the N900 and any cons/pros vs the HD2?
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If you hate the HTC Messaging not being able to handle too many smses you can use this hack to disable it and use standard WM 6.5 SMS interface - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556614&page=1
Kasperknop,
If you really want to know what the Nokia is like why don't you post on a Nokia forum? You will get more opinions there from those that have used/owned the device but perhaps no less bias than you would get on here.
To be honest, if you are that keen then I would walk into a phone shop and handle a real one. It is the only way to work out whether you can live with a device or not.
Hope this helps.
WB
Just this minute got email, my N900 has shipped! I'll post up thoughts when its in my hands, I have no particular bias for either Nokia or HTC...
nokia 900
If you can live with an small screen is fine, according to me the screen of the nokia 900 is exactly the same size of the N97.
I have one N97 is fine for many things but for webrawsing is a pain in the neck http://www.symbiansoftware.us/bin/ci/o/11631.jpg
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ONLY if you prefer resistive screens.
Maemo is certainly not better than Windows Mobile at all and has its own shortcomings, just like any mobile OS.
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i was going to go for the n900 but the tech specs put me off compared to hd2, then i found outs resistive with no multi touch, a complete joke, nokia are way behind and the device itself is huge compared to the hd2,
i have my HD2 since last friday trough insurance of my old dead Xperia X1, going to test the N900 next wednesday at a friends phone shop
will compare it couse im thinking about switching as well, ill post my findings
check out gsmarena.com they have a long review on the n900 seems good but does have limitations like no voice dialing which may not be a big thing for most people but more importantly no mms ability as a result of maemo not supporting it
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check out gsmarena.com they have a long review on the n900 seems good but does have limitations like no voice dialing which may not be a big thing for most people but more importantly no mms ability as a result of maemo not supporting it
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but maybe it offers reliable SMS communication? a trade off I would be willing to take in a heartbeat
Its getting MMS and more widespread portrait operation in an update arriving Dec/Jan...
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but maybe it offers reliable SMS communication? a trade off I would be willing to take in a heartbeat
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Just disable HTC Messaging on the HD2 and you get 100% reliable SMS communication.
Hi guys!
I know there are quite a few posts like this but haven't found one yet reguarding the phones I am looking at so...
My HD2 is starting to get a little boring (working fine thou) so thinking of changing it! My requirements for a replacement are: Windows Phone native device (no Android device running a ported WP ROM or anything) and a full hardware QWERTY keyboard! Aparently that is quite hard to come by... The two devices that look best to me are: Dell Venue Pro and HTC 7 Pro
Thoughts?
/Anders
There's a device suggestion thread in the General forum where you'll get far more replies. You're going to struggle if you need a physical keyboard, no high-end WP8 phone will have one AFAIK.
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There's a device suggestion thread in the General forum where you'll get far more replies. You're going to struggle if you need a physical keyboard, no high-end WP8 phone will have one AFAIK.
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Oh thanks I didn't see that one before! Yeah I am starting to see that physical keyboards are a hard thing to come by today Even on Android the line-up is limited...
In the unlikely case that RIM succeed with bb10, you might still have some luck. However I think there's not much of a future in hardware keyboards.
Sent from my HTC HD2 using xda app-developers app
A bluetooth keyboard may be your answer, you can get ones attached to a phone case which slides out.
Do they work on Windows Phone? They don't on 7.8 I can verify but don't know about 8?