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Next Android Phone w/ Physical Keyboard?

I had been under the impression that the Hero had a physical keyboard. Now that I know that it doesn't, has there been any word about a new Android phone with a physical keyboard?

ATT will be releasing the lancaster in the next few months.http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/htc-lancaster-is-a-qwerty-slider-with-android-for-atandt/

Deathwish238 said:
I had been under the impression that the Hero had a physical keyboard. Now that I know that it doesn't, has there been any word about a new Android phone with a physical keyboard?
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Samsung Bigfoot.

T-Mo needs another good HTC handset with a keyboard. The Dream is becoming old school more by the minute. I want something suitable to replace it once my contract's up, and I don't feel like hopping to AT&T. Not to mention that bordering keys on phones is bad for non-visual key identification, the Dream's separated keys help improve key identification without looking.

Well the G1 is turing into the Iphone. So I dont think it will be old school dead, just hope they keep upgrading it in a GOOD way. Adding a flash to the camera and keyboard support would be a good start... focusing on its linux backend is another, allowing for USB input devices would give it the win. Basic elements. Puddy to give it form, Duct Tape to bind it together, Caffinee to make it go. =)

ubernicholi said:
ATT will be releasing the lancaster in the next few months.http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/htc-lancaster-is-a-qwerty-slider-with-android-for-atandt/
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Based on the specs, it seems like a downgrade. 4 row keyboard vs 5 row, QVGA vs HVGA, fixed focus camera vs auto-focus..

aceo07 said:
Based on the specs, it seems like a downgrade. 4 row keyboard vs 5 row, QVGA vs HVGA, fixed focus camera vs auto-focus..
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Good to know. Heh Its been debated G1 beats G2, and if G1 beats the ATT one.. so far Im thinking wise investment so far.
I do wonder about that Samsung Android tho..

Samsung is going to be releasing the I7500 Galaxy with 8GB of internal memory and a 3.2 AMOLED 16M Color screen. 5MP autofocus camera with a flash.
Motorola will be releasing some phones as well. Nothing much about them yet.

I remember reading on TmoNews a while ago that there is supposed to be a G1 v.2 late this year, I beleive it is a physical redesign to help its' looks.

Basically has anyone noticed the G1 really was built to last? I havent anything that scream "OMG I GOTTA UPGRADE TO THIS MODEL!" yet. G1 so far has outlasted iphones launch.. I mean soon as they got it, they came out with a 3g model. Something we already have.
Only thing to make G1 perfect. Add flash camera, more internal memory and hell, why not a linux-swap partition built in. =p

We definitely don't want swap. Just more RAM.

The RAM is fine. I wish they rebuilt the browser with the Native Developement Kit. That would probably solve most of the problems. Getting more PoP RAM is just not possible because MICRON has to get their lard asses and do it.
But since ARM architecture isn't their prime investment it'll be a while before we see anything.
I heard a few IRC members were doing the initial looks at hardware hacking. I don't know all the details but if anything we could definetly add flash to the camera if the genius IRC guys figure it out.

You could easily add an external flash via the serial port. It would, however, be somewhat bulky. If you build it in, then you need to butcher it. Either way, it seems perfectly pointless... its not a camera, its a phone/pda.
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The RAM is fine. I wish they rebuilt the browser with the Native Developement Kit. That would probably solve most of the problems. Getting more PoP RAM is just not possible because MICRON has to get their lard asses and do it.
But since ARM architecture isn't their prime investment it'll be a while before we see anything.
I heard a few IRC members were doing the initial looks at hardware hacking. I don't know all the details but if anything we could definetly add flash to the camera if the genius IRC guys figure it out.
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Lancaster = Serious Fail. The chip it uses does not include the ATI 3D acceleration that all the other Android Phones have.
It's like AT&T purposly wants Android to fail instead of releasing a real device.
Maybe Hero.
Rogers Dream on AT&T 3G is great.
-James

The 256MB ROM / 192MB RAM of the G1 is inadequate.
If they bumped it up to at least the 512MB ROM / 288MB RAM of the Canadian Magic and the Hero, bumped the camera to 5MP w/ a flash, and added a slightly larger battery, the G1 would be good for another couple of years. Just about everything else can be addressed in software.

jmacdonald801 said:
Lancaster = Serious Fail. The chip it uses does not include the ATI 3D acceleration that all the other Android Phones have.
It's like AT&T purposly wants Android to fail instead of releasing a real device.
Maybe Hero.
Rogers Dream on AT&T 3G is great.
-James
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no sh!t they want it to fail, why would they want to sell something that will take away from there [email protected] 3gsucks? I haven't seen any ads for anything but that on att

ITs just the battery that should be improved in G1, everything else will do for now...

predo said:
ITs just the battery that should be improved in G1, everything else will do for now...
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its best to invest in a bigger battery. I would but I cannot find any in NYC

Mysticales said:
Basically has anyone noticed the G1 really was built to last? I havent anything that scream "OMG I GOTTA UPGRADE TO THIS MODEL!" yet. G1 so far has outlasted iphones launch.. I mean soon as they got it, they came out with a 3g model. Something we already have.
Only thing to make G1 perfect. Add flash camera, more internal memory and hell, why not a linux-swap partition built in. =p
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faster processor and larger internal memory would be good then we could run the hero roms more efficiently lol.

I would believe ATT and Apple BOTH want it to fail.. afterall that market is about iphones. So ever other GSM is countering iphone with a better android. And isnt he soooo cute. ^^

Motorola Cliq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB4k9EqiWe4
T-Mobile is calling it the "first phone with social skills" because of it's facebook, twitter, and flicker integration. I guess the HTC Hero doesn't count.
But damn, the graphics on Motorola's flavor of Android are effing ugly. Not looking forward to this at all. Makes me appreciate Hero all that much more.

I actually really like the design, colors, and everything about it.
But the real question is, would all the available "Android Development" roms/rooting/themes...etc still work on the Motorola Cliq? Or do we have to wait until someone else makes it possible to root etc. the phone

Wouldn't work, the ways that we have now are htc based and with each new device there would have to be a different way of rooting based on the nature of the beast

Yeah but if you look at the hardware specs of the Cliq arent they practically the same as the HTC android phones...processor wise and what not?

saw this hours ago and im rly rly rly happy i've been a huge fan of motorola, first phone that i have was a c650 and i flashed it 'till it died ( joking ) but then i got a v360 and v3i and they were rly rly nice phones i still got 'em and now a moto v8 and all of this devices are good, not great but good and im rly happy that motorola has finally showed a great phone, with android, his own special ui ( motoblur ) and some really nice specs and im gonna get one of these cliq phones .
btw, sry if i misspelled something u.u or say something in the wrong ways, its just that im from argentina and well i do not speak english every day i speak spanish .

I can't believe you guys like this thing. The widgets look insanely cheeseball compared to the Hero. It's just a standard looking Android OS with some horrible looking widgets.
There is no trackball or call button either, and in the video, it doesn't even appear to run all that fast.
I don't see why this is a "next great move" in Android phones, I'm really disappointed, I expected something so much bigger as Android matures.

gigagrunt said:
Yeah but if you look at the hardware specs of the Cliq arent they practically the same as the HTC android phones...processor wise and what not?
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/10/android-battle-cliq-edition/

vr24 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB4k9EqiWe4
T-Mobile is calling it the "first phone with social skills" because of it's facebook, twitter, and flicker integration. I guess the HTC Hero doesn't count.
But damn, the graphics on Motorola's flavor of Android are effing ugly. Not looking forward to this at all. Makes me appreciate Hero all that much more.
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its the first phone with social skills for tmobile US

be nice to see some of these things incorporated into cyna

brian_v3ntura said:
its the first phone with social skills for tmobile US
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While that may be technically true, T-Mobile UK has the Hero.
It's still just kind of lame, overall. It's not faster, still has almost no built in storage, it seems to bring almost nothing to the table other than some poorly designed widgets.
However, I think the real test will be how much it sells for. If T-Mobile gets this in at a $49.99 or less price point, then it's not really that bad. Ultimately I think I'd just like to see a lot more Android phones hitting the hands of users.

trevordbs said:
be nice to see some of these things incorporated into cyna
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Most likely cyan or another dev will port the entire thing over. We won't know until they get their hands on it.
For instance, Cyan can't add the HTC widgets and specific features to the Hero, as they rely on the HTC Framework, which can't be ported to another ROM.
We won't know if Motorola's is as locked down until we have it.
However, the good news is, the specs for the device are the same as the G1 - so it should run perfectly fine on the G1 hardware. Which I guess is kind of nice that we can continue to use our phones for a long time with the latest Android releases

Engadget hands on
I really like how Motorola has gone even further than HTC with social network integration (universal inbox, contact list, etc.). The widgets do look a little disappointing though.
Unfortunately, it looks like it runs a little slow (aren't some hero builds running faster on G1's right now?) but hopefully the software will be optimized when it's actually released.
Now for someone to get a system dump and port to the Dream...

I think this OS is sweet, a nice break from the same things weve been staring at for the past 8 months.
And despite the hate for the widgets, I think they're pretty damn sweet. Whoever was stating that the Hero had issues with its widgets running smoothly with the same specs has to realize that its probably because of how the software was written.
I'm pretty sure Motorola took that into account after hearing the horror stories about HTC.

vr24 said:
While that may be technically true, T-Mobile UK has the Hero.
It's still just kind of lame, overall. It's not faster, still has almost no built in storage, it seems to bring almost nothing to the table other than some poorly designed widgets.
However, I think the real test will be how much it sells for. If T-Mobile gets this in at a $49.99 or less price point, then it's not really that bad. Ultimately I think I'd just like to see a lot more Android phones hitting the hands of users.
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They run as 2 completely separate companies though. (T-Mobile US and T-Mobile UK). Nothing that TMUS does effects the UK and vice versa.
T-Mobile UK is soon to merge with Orange UK... Both of which provide the Hero lol.

Senorkabob said:
I think this OS is sweet, a nice break from the same things weve been staring at for the past 8 months.
And despite the hate for the widgets, I think they're pretty damn sweet. Whoever was stating that the Hero had issues with its widgets running smoothly with the same specs has to realize that its probably because of how the software was written.
I'm pretty sure Motorola took that into account after hearing the horror stories about HTC.
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I agree and it's great that we are finally seeing some different flavours or android... something which makes android so unique, you can pick something different yet experience the same apps etc as everyone else.
I can't wait to see more of Sony Ericsson's interface and no doubt Samsung and LG will be working on their own aswell. I really wish Nokia would get on board though!

brummiesteven said:
I agree and it's great that we are finally seeing some different flavours or android... something which makes android so unique, you can pick something different yet experience the same apps etc as everyone else.
I can't wait to see more of Sony Ericsson's interface and no doubt Samsung and LG will be working on their own aswell. I really wish Nokia would get on board though!
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Nokia's putting out their N900 with Maemo 5 interface. It's coming to T-mo US, and I have to admit... I'm VERY interested! That being said, I love Android and it's a key time for the OS right now. Any broadening of the foundation of the Android footprint is good. Higher end phones will build on that foundation.

Gross! The widgets are ugly and rely on the use of outside sources (facebook, twitter, MYSPACE) who even uses Myspace these days?
This is a good addition if you're interested in being even more creepy with up to the second information about your "friends".
I'm dissapointed.

Nokia's putting out their N900 with Maemo 5 interface. It's coming to T-mo US, and I have to admit... I'm VERY interested! That being said, I love Android and it's a key time for the OS right now. Any broadening of the foundation of the Android footprint is good. Higher end phones will build on that foundation.
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The N900 looks sick... but expect it to be 50000000% more than the Cliq lol

i agree that the widgets look kind of boring but having them up there is up to you.
im getting this phone thought because i got my mytouch for free so i have nothing to lose.

vr24 said:
While that may be technically true, T-Mobile UK has the Hero.
It's still just kind of lame, overall. It's not faster, still has almost no built in storage, it seems to bring almost nothing to the table other than some poorly designed widgets.
However, I think the real test will be how much it sells for. If T-Mobile gets this in at a $49.99 or less price point, then it's not really that bad. Ultimately I think I'd just like to see a lot more Android phones hitting the hands of users.
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actually it is true... tmobile US and tmobile UK are different companies with different plans and offerings. i.e. a lot of tmobile UK smartphones are free under certain circumstances.
and plus the moto cliq supposed to be priced around $99.

MT3G vs. G1

I know that the MyTouch has a better battery and a bit more ROM, but does the MyTouch 3g have any capability or performance upgrades from the G1? From what I understand they have the same processor and the same amount of RAM. But the G1 is the ORIGINAL Android, and its inching closer and closer to obsolescence with every new Android phone and OS upgrade that gets released.
But the MyTouch is much newer, and TMO is still making new ads for it right alongside its competition ie the Hero,Moment,Droid,Eris, all of which have more RAM and for the most part better processors.
Surely theres something about the MyTouch that makes it a better phone phone than the G1 and also makes it competitive with its competition right? Help me out im confused...thanks

http://tmobilemytouch3g.blogspot.com/2009/07/t-mobile-my-touch-vs-t-mobile-g1.html

Its got a big ol flashing track ball, somebody gimme a hell yea!

phatmanxxl said:
Its got a big ol flashing track ball, somebody gimme a hell yea!
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HELL YEA!!

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http://tmobilemytouch3g.blogspot.com/2009/07/t-mobile-my-touch-vs-t-mobile-g1.html
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Man I wish that article was accurate. But unfortunately (and unfairly ) the mt3g definitely does not have 288mb ram like its European counterpart. Although it damn well ought to have and I curse tmo everytime I look at my poor, weak, incapable, obsolete mytouch. This phone could be tmos flagship phone AND a serious android competitor if only TMO hadn't skimped on ram. I guess you can't really expect otherwise from a company that has no business sense an wholeheartedly hates its customers. Id love for tmo to make me eat my words

lol i just didnt want to write a whole article so i google searched it and posted the first link i saw haha

Google Phone

looks like it's goign to be the replacement for the g1, who's going to get it? rumors say jan 5th

I have it. It's very nice. It runs liek butta.

I'm probably going to get it. It looks as if there is already a system dump. at AndroidSPIN.com. I hope some devs will start working on this.

How much bigger is the screen then the g1? And I'm guessing batterey life is a lot better

marty22877 said:
How much bigger is the screen then the g1? And I'm guessing batterey life is a lot better
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3.7" and I don't know about the battery life yet (got it couple hours ago).

3.7 wide ,and how tall
Wish i worked for google

marty22877 said:
3.7 wide ,and how tall
Wish i worked for google
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Who measures screens length and width? It is 3.7" diagonally...

mr_notorious said:
I have it. It's very nice. It runs liek butta.
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Can you tell us if it trumps the Droid in all respects (aside from not having a qwerty)? I'm sure you can't be specific, but I just want to know if it's going to have more RAM and a faster processor. Also, if you could let us know about battery life, that would be sweet.

uansari1 said:
Can you tell us if it trumps the Droid in all respects (aside from not having a qwerty)? I'm sure you can't be specific, but I just want to know if it's going to have more RAM and a faster processor. Also, if you could let us know about battery life, that would be sweet.
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Of course, its from HTC of course So its a quality product nonetheless you have nothing to worry.The droid had some cam problems i heard.nexus has snapped-dragon @700MHZ i think.

uansari1 said:
Can you tell us if it trumps the Droid in all respects (aside from not having a qwerty)? I'm sure you can't be specific, but I just want to know if it's going to have more RAM and a faster processor. Also, if you could let us know about battery life, that would be sweet.
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Can't say much about the Droid, as I don't own one. Therefore I don't know the long run with it. The nexus has twice the ram and about twice the cpu clock speed compared to the Droid, but iirc, the Droid has a dedicated gpu.
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Of course, its from HTC of course So its a quality product nonetheless you have nothing to worry.The droid had some cam problems i heard.nexus has snapped-dragon @700MHZ i think.
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It at 1 GHz

Since the phone is unlocked, im hoping i can get it to recieve 3G from Tmo or Att
Would be nice to use the sense 2.1 instead of Nexus Ui.

Ace42 said:
Since the phone is unlocked, im hoping i can get it to recieve 3G from Tmo or Att
Would be nice to use the sense 2.1 instead of Nexus Ui.
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Nexus One has already been passed through the FCC, and is confirmed that the phone supports both Tmo and Att 3G basebands
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scratch that, seems that it's Tmo 3G supported, not Att
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-nexus-one-blessed-by-the-fcc-with-t-mobile-and-att-huspa/

What about that rumor of it being 199..

I hope this phone will be avaliable from HTC (maybe in europe).
Might sound strange but I actually like my phones to say HTC on them instead of something like "T-Mobile".

brummiesteven said:
I hope this phone will be avaliable from HTC (maybe in europe).
Might sound strange but I actually like my phones to say HTC on them instead of something like "T-Mobile".
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these phones aren't carrier branded. These phones are to be sold directly by google. The basebands that were tested by the FCC just shows that the Nexus One is showing full T-mobile 3G support. These phones are Unlocked GSM phones

mr_notorious said:
Can't say much about the Droid, as I don't own one. Therefore I don't know the long run with it. The nexus has twice the ram and about twice the cpu clock speed compared to the Droid, but iirc, the Droid has a dedicated gpu.
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Sounds fantastic so far... I was under the impression there was a version of Snapdragon chipset with dedicated GPU... so this definitely doesn't have a dedicated GPU?

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Sounds fantastic so far... I was under the impression there was a version of Snapdragon chipset with dedicated GPU... so this definitely doesn't have a dedicated GPU?
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Not sure, all I know it has a "QUALCOMM QSD 8250, 1 GHz"

it's amazing how fast this forum progresses when a new phone comes out.
google phone was released its employees, and there's already a dump of the android 2.1 on the dev section.
Can't wait till this comes out, would be a nice successor to my g1

Is nexus set up with gizmo for free voip calls.
Feel free to ignore this q if it is dumb or if answering it would get you in trouble. But I was curious whether the phone was set up to easily make free VOIP calls domestically using a combination of google voice (perhaps enabled by gizmo5 which google recently acquired).
What a killer feature if it is feasible from a regulatory perspective.

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Feel free to ignore this q if it is dumb or if answering it would get you in trouble. But I was curious whether the phone was set up to easily make free VOIP calls domestically using a combination of google voice (perhaps enabled by gizmo5 which google recently acquired).
What a killer feature if it is feasible from a regulatory perspective.
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Being that flan is leak to the wazoo...well, there is not much to hide (except the dude who leaked the ROM...no joke.)
Anyways,
GV is hard integrated. You can use the N1 as a gv/wifi phone if you want with no need to sign-up for a cellular service.

[CLOSED/G2/POLL] Thoughts after HTC announcement

So what do people think now? I am personally swayed to buy the Desire Z, but I would like to see what other people think.
Having watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4C0TXmnlQ, I am pretty impressed by htcsense.com (for the off days that I forget my phone!). The maps app isn't really that smooth...the demo showed it being quite laggy on the Desire HD.
Build quality is great, performance seems smooth, keyboard looks fantastic (no numbers row though =[ ) and the screen looks crisp.
edit: maybe I should have also posted on the Desire HD forum! =P

Bye windows hello android
well im selling my TP2 no more windows for me and putting the rest with my pocket as well for the desire Z. i had doubts but after listening to that guy brag how the phone is... im sold. lol.

i also have a TP2,but i am going to keep it,however i want this phone, i looks sexy and thin, and it has htc sense

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well im selling my TP2 no more windows for me and putting the rest with my pocket as well for the desire Z. i had doubts but after listening to that guy brag how the phone is... im sold. lol.
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i've been fed up with windows mobile for about a year now with my HTC Blackstone...it's simply too old and dated an OS. And WinPho & is simply too locked down and not as flexible as I'd like it to be (I'm so sick of those tiles!).
Android looks like the way to me...and *if* I do want to load up my phone with something bloated and pretty, then I will use the HTC Sense bundled in with that phone...which is tons better than the HTC Sense on Windows Mobile.

The Desire Z looked great to me. Perfect size, build quality is on point, gorgeous keyboard, and very fast. I hope the G2 is the same color as the Desire Z, the G2 looks a bit lighter from the renders on T-Mobile's site.
The Desire HD was a bit of a let down to me. First off, it's not HD. A 4.3 inch screen needs a better resolution than 800x480. The colors on the screen look incredibly washed out compared to the Desire Z. Also is it true that the HD only has a 1250mAh battery?!
Can't wait to get the G2. Goodbye Vibrant.

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i've been fed up with windows mobile for about a year now with my HTC Blackstone...it's simply too old and dated an OS. And WinPho & is simply too locked down and not as flexible as I'd like it to be (I'm so sick of those tiles!).
Android looks like the way to me...and *if* I do want to load up my phone with something bloated and pretty, then I will use the HTC Sense bundled in with that phone...which is tons better than the HTC Sense on Windows Mobile.
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i couldnt agree more. im done with the freezeing and sluggish UI. wp7 is prolly good but its not going to be on my tp2 so i have no reason to keep it. do u know for blackstone if it will be surpported?

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Having watched http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly4C0TXmnlQ, I am pretty impressed by htcsense.com (for the off days that I forget my phone!)
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Looks like HTC have pulled that video off their Youtube account. I wonder why

I am eager to see how the MSM7230 800MHz performs compared to the 1GHz Snapdragon that sits in my Nexus currently. But I already know I will be pre-ordering the Desire Z ASAP. I have been waiting for a high-end qwerty Android phone from HTC for so long. Cant believe its finally here, and its *almost* everything I wanted..
I am a bit annoyed at HTC though, because they have a tendency to do this. The Desire HD has a great unibody construction which gives the phone that extreme high-end feel to it, while the Desire Z is left with a combination of aluminium and plastic finish. Why, I don't know. Also wish they would have put some aluminium love on the keyboard as well, but at least the keyboard looks good otherwise.
Those are probably my only concerns regarding the Desire Z (that, and the lame name). I hope the Z mechanism lasts as well though and wont get sluggish over time.
Anyway, its as close to perfect for me as any other phone has ever been so Im picking it up anyways. Just wish HTC would stop holding back when launching new phones. If the MSM7230 800MHz performs well then Im relieved, but if not then I will be mad at HTC for not going for the 1GHz version instead. The MSM7230 has the Adeno 205 GPU, but since Android doesn't support GPU acceleration I guess we wont get much joy from it.
Now Im just waiting for pre-orders here to show up!

Untouchab1e said:
The MSM7230 has the Adeno 205 GPU, but since Android doesn't support GPU acceleration I guess we wont get much joy from it.
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is GPU acceleration something that modders can address? also, I'm curious what the GPU does when its not being utilized for acceleration. isn't the very definition of a GPU that its a graphics accelerator? is it that Android uses it for some things like games and video, but not others, like scrolling and webpage rendering?
also, rumor has it that Android 3.0 will implement graphics acceleration, so for a good portion of the time you have your G2 you should enjoy said acceleration (for the record, yes I believe the G2 will be definitely be upgradeable to Gingerbread)

Untouchab1e said:
I am eager to see how the MSM7230 800MHz performs compared to the 1GHz Snapdragon that sits in my Nexus currently. But I already know I will be pre-ordering the Desire Z ASAP. I have been waiting for a high-end qwerty Android phone from HTC for so long. Cant believe its finally here, and its *almost* everything I wanted..
I am a bit annoyed at HTC though, because they have a tendency to do this. The Desire HD has a great unibody construction which gives the phone that extreme high-end feel to it, while the Desire Z is left with a combination of aluminium and plastic finish. Why, I don't know. Also wish they would have put some aluminium love on the keyboard as well, but at least the keyboard looks good otherwise.
Those are probably my only concerns regarding the Desire Z (that, and the lame name). I hope the Z mechanism lasts as well though and wont get sluggish over time.
Anyway, its as close to perfect for me as any other phone has ever been so Im picking it up anyways. Just wish HTC would stop holding back when launching new phones. If the MSM7230 800MHz performs well then Im relieved, but if not then I will be mad at HTC for not going for the 1GHz version instead. The MSM7230 has the Adeno 205 GPU, but since Android doesn't support GPU acceleration I guess we wont get much joy from it.
Now Im just waiting for pre-orders here to show up!
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Haha same here. This is the qwerty device I've been waiting for!
After I watched the videos I actually got the impression the Desire Z had better build quality than the Desire HD did. I didn't see any brushed aluminum on the HD but it's all over the Z. Reporters even said that most of the Desire Z is made of metal (aluminum) and looks amazing. The HD looked just like the Evo 4G to me, which feels sturdy in hand, but doesn't have that fancy brushed aluminum finish to it.

Arcadia310 said:
Haha same here. This is the qwerty device I've been waiting for!
After I watched the videos I actually got the impression the Desire Z had better build quality than the Desire HD did. I didn't see any brushed aluminum on the HD but it's all over the Z. Reporters even said that most of the Desire Z is made of metal (aluminum) and looks amazing. The HD looked just like the Evo 4G to me, which feels sturdy in hand, but doesn't have that fancy brushed aluminum finish to it.
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Well, regardless of what you think you see, the HD is unibody (meaning its body is made out of one piece of aluminium) and the front is largely made out of glass...
Of course Im basing all this on what Ive heard and seen rather than my personal experience as I havent touched any of these yet. The Desire Z is made out of aluminium and plastic, while the z-hinge is supposedly made out of some sort of metal.. according to a HTC spokesperson, some kind of strong alloy. So at least it seems they have done a good job with that mechanism which is great news, as the Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 tends to get jerky after a while!

I am basically sold on the G2 at this point. I have been a loyal Verizon customer for over 6 years. A year ago I never would have thought of leaving...but in the last 6 months, I have been running all the Donut/Eclair/Froyo builds on my aging HTC Vogue (KUDOS to DZO, Myn, Incubus26jc and the whole Android Vogue group, their work is amazing) and even an imperfect Donut is better than WinMo. Running their modded ROMS has sold me on stock Android.
Not at all interested in WinPho 7...it looks lame and locked up. I was going to stick with Verizon, but kluging Bing on the Fascinate was the last straw. Any carrier that would do that does not care about Android at all...or their customers. Sense is the only UI I'd consider using...but even Sense is losing steam. Gingerbread is going to blow it away, I think.
At any rate...Tmo seems the only carrier interested in delivering the pure Android experience. They have better plans...and this new phone is going to be amazing, with lots of dev support.
I'm sold...goodbye Verizon.

If you think about it the new sense w/landscape is already developed for Desire Z so it should be a quick port and we would have the new sense and stock. I like to switch back and forth and the keyboard and HSPA+ are very tempting.

My thoughts after the announcement is I want an HTC Desire HD.

jstrom23 said:
I am basically sold on the G2 at this point. I have been a loyal Verizon customer for over 6 years. A year ago I never would have thought of leaving...but in the last 6 months, I have been running all the Donut/Eclair/Froyo builds on my aging HTC Vogue (KUDOS to DZO, Myn, Incubus26jc and the whole Android Vogue group, their work is amazing) and even an imperfect Donut is better than WinMo. Running their modded ROMS has sold me on stock Android.
Not at all interested in WinPho 7...it looks lame and locked up. I was going to stick with Verizon, but kluging Bing on the Fascinate was the last straw. Any carrier that would do that does not care about Android at all...or their customers. Sense is the only UI I'd consider using...but even Sense is losing steam. Gingerbread is going to blow it away, I think.
At any rate...Tmo seems the only carrier interested in delivering the pure Android experience. They have better plans...and this new phone is going to be amazing, with lots of dev support.
I'm sold...goodbye Verizon.
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Good choice. The G2 is definitely going to bring attention to T-Mobile. I think people are getting tired of all these Touchwiz/Motorblur phones and want Stock android. Like you said it seems that only T-Mobile cares about this. Verizon only cares about money and exploits Android to fill their pockets.

Arcadia310 said:
Good choice. The G2 is definitely going to bring attention to T-Mobile. I think people are getting tired of all these Touchwiz/Motorblur phones and want Stock android. Like you said it seems that only T-Mobile cares about this. Verizon only cares about money and exploits Android to fill their pockets.
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lol well, make no mistake, t-mobile cares just as much about making money as verizon does. they're just trying to carve out a niche in the market for "with google." that's their selling point for the G2. verizon's selling point is their network, which I think we can all agree is the best (in terms of coverage). they don't need to exploit a niche market because they're super mainstream, so they have the luxury of adding even more to their bottom line by making deals with companies like microsoft, i.e. the Bing deal

seems that the Desire Z and HD haven't won over everybody...but it is still quite popular (this is the Desire Z forum afterall)...I was thinking of buying it on the play.com website...but does anyone know if they do free shipping to Australia?

skulk3r said:
seems that the Desire Z and HD haven't won over everybody...but it is still quite popular (this is the Desire Z forum afterall)...I was thinking of buying it on the play.com website...but does anyone know if they do free shipping to Australia?
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Sucks for them. Those people won't be happy until the first dual-core 1.5Ghz phone with 400ppi and built in toaster gets announced. Even though they could not use that kind of speed...
Why don't you go on their website and see?

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lol .............. verizon's selling point is their network, which I think we can all agree is the best (in terms of coverage). they don't need to exploit a niche market because they're super mainstream, so they have the luxury of adding even more to their bottom line by making deals with companies like microsoft, i.e. the Bing deal
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don't be to sure of verizon's network being that great - a) the more users on a network, the slower the network and that is the down side to verizon's network - they sell that network too well. But b) as far as coverage, don't underestimate Tmo's network or partnership carriers. Every year i travel with a couple of partner company reps to visit suppliers & clients in upstate Vermont (2 miles south of the canadian border), northwest texas, new mexico & oklahoma. One is with verizon & the other on AT&T (yeah i know AT&T is weak), but whenever we're somewhere rural, the verizon phone drops all bars while my tmo still has 1-2 - leaving Derby, VT and heading south, we're talking a 90 - 100 mile stretch that's pretty desolate going into low foothills - but the last time, my verizon buddy had to use my phone to finish a 20 minute call.
we've gone thru this 3 years running, whether we're in VT, New Mex, Tx or Oklahoma and every year he comments he needs to look at Tmo for his company. While Tmo may not own the entire network, they've been smart in partnering with a lot of the small carriers.
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