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Who will replace TOUCH DUAL by DIAMOND

I think all of you have seen the specs of the HTC DIAMOND
Who is going to get the HTC DIAMOND? I'm not going to waist my time waiting for members who have the courage to keep trying making the wifi and gps working. I have to felicitate their efforts but think i'm about to sell my dual to get HTC DIAMOND or HTC TITANIUM(Diamond with 20 keys...not a lot info for the moment)
ps: please replace "by" by "buy" in the poll options

i'd go for a TITANIUM whenever i feel like it
but i do like my sirf iii solar bluetooth gps device and dont miss wifi as i have unlimited web bolt on, BUT, speedy graphics will probably push me over to the diamond side !

I buy via work a HTC Daimond, if its released. We use HTC Units ... most are HTC VOX and Niki.

i'll be keeping my touch dual for sure.

i agree that the diamond is awesome in terms of functionality but why on earth release a pocket pc phone with no SD card ????
there is no way I'm buying this

the only thing that's keeping me from being completely sure that i will replace my touch dual with the diamond is the lack of a 16key hardware keyboard which i have right now.
although if it's true what they say about the HTC Titanium which is supposedly the Diamond with a HW keyboard then that's it, done deal for me.

I hear that HTC is going to provide the drivers for the Kaiser, if that's the case, the drivers for our Touch Duals will soon follow. SO no reason to rush getting the Diamond yet for me. I'll give it a few more months.

I do have a question .... Why are they putting such low mAh batteries in highend devices now-a-days?
The Diamond has 900mah or something like that... It's 3.5g with the highest HSPDA available right now, right? So ... that's like 1 hour on 3g? lol. It's processor is really fast, and that'll eat up the battery. It's graphics are really good, too (from the videos i've seen)... So.... Sedio Ext. batteries anyone?

what i find odd about new htc products in general is that they always have something missing.
for diamond that would be - sd storage + quad band + keyboard
really very frustrating.

I agree with boboduck. If they release a diamond with a keyboard and sd-storage I'll consider buying one. Until then I'll keep my Niki.

The diamond is aimed at a different market than all other HTC phones released to date, its more of a phone to pose with than get out of your pocket at a works meeting. 4GB is plenty of storage for most users and the lack of a keyboard isn't a problem. I don't see people with the iPhone or LG Prada refusing to buy them until they come with a keyboard.
I am buying one because they are aesthetically and technically brilliant, I'm keeping my dual primarily as my day to day phone and my diamond is going to be my going out phone that my friends and other people see me with.
By the way I've pre-ordered mine off Play.com for £429 with free delivery, cheapest Ive seen so far and they are due in stock on the 19th of this month!

boboduck said:
what i find odd about new htc products in general is that they always have something missing.
for diamond that would be - sd storage + quad band + keyboard
really very frustrating.
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It's a marketing strategy. You do not put every feature in one device, because if you do, you have no reason to sell other devices.

DaVince said:
It's a marketing strategy. You do not put every feature in one device, because if you do, you have no reason to sell other devices.
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As done by most other manufacturers too, Nokia used to never release a complete phone, although you could argue that the N95 8Gb has changed that. Sony Ericsson also release their phones in either the Cybershot camp or the Walkman Camp, but not both.

I do hope someone can cook the touchflo 3D for niki

We will have to wait for these anticipated 3d drivers to come about before manilla is usable on the niki i reckon, the diamond looks to stutter a bit with it and that has got the 3d drivers running!
I'm not holding out much hope really for it running well and i reckon it could be a memory hogging monster, HTC haven't put 192 meg of ram on the diamond for no reason....

i totally agree about the marketing strategy. this is the reason why dual has no wi-fi.
Because if it did, then nobody would buy the elf or vogue.
if htc do however release an all-in-one phone, i think it'll hurt our pockets
i just hope someone can try to put the touch flo 3D in niki

I just pre-ordered from play.com
I havent had it agreed by my wife yet.... eek!

Will keep touch dual. I'am student and have no money for the diamond!

So far I can't find a soft keyboard that is comparable to the hardware keypad for Chinese input. so better stay with Nike.

I voted for replacing my nike with a diamond, but the absence of sd breaks it for me.
A PDA without external storage is ridiculous.

swap hero with htc touch hd

brand new looking htc touch hd with whole loads of give program like tomtom navigator, coreplayer and every big program with latest upgraded 6.5 rom if any one wants to swap with htc hero
yes ofcourse unlocked htc touch hd plz do PM.
and yes in U.K

???
don't mean to be negative, BUT
you don't actually think someone would make this trade,,,,,,,, do you?
good luck !

I have a piece of string, slightly used. Anyone want to swap for Hero?

get your htc touch on ebay £270 easy for one of them and put the rest to a hero.
Or wait til some clever barsteward ports android to the htc.

,, Hmm stick with the Hero?? or grab the HD2??

Heyas! just wondering what people would choose... i already have the Hero but the wife is due a new phone.. so i could get away with giving her the Hero and grabbing a HD2 for myself if i wanted to
So,, other than that MAAAHHOOOSIVE screen on the HD2... another other benefits over the Hero?? or Vise versa?
Which would you choose and why?
cheers!

I am moving from my hero to HD2 . Why? I prefer large screen , I like wm6.5 , 1ghz processor and I am hoping the HD2 has a stronger gps signal . Also the hero chin makes 2 hands typing harder. Wm6.5 has lots of good software.the hero is a great device but the wow factor of the HD2 is too much got mine on order from clove.

Get the HD2 is a no brainer, since this is a HD2 forum section that has thousands of positive posts

Hd2, best device on the market now!!

Look buddy you know you can't resist, so why even ask? Get the HD2!

yes, definitly HD2 but it is your decision

Touch HD or Hero????

I'm considering buying a new HTC phone after Xmas as my Sony Ericsson W850i is getting a bit old. I've seen the Touch HD with WM6.5 roms but I've also seen the Hero. Which one should I go for? [PS. I'm from the UK]

Come on, i will take the LEO and sell my HD to you.

As above post, why not go for latest phone 'Leo' a.k.a. the HD2 instead of both the HD and the Hero??
If you would still rather go for either the HD or Hero, then its simply down to whether you want Android or Windows

MehLon said:
I'm considering buying a new HTC phone after Xmas as my Sony Ericsson W850i is getting a bit old. I've seen the Touch HD with WM6.5 roms but I've also seen the Hero. Which one should I go for? [PS. I'm from the UK]
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I have an HD, one of my friends has a hero.
Both are awesome, it is a win win question.
do you want android or windows is the question.

CAVEGIANT said:
I have an HD, one of my friends has a hero.
Both are awesome, it is a win win question.
do you want android or windows is the question.
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I should add, most 6.5 roms stink so far.
Dutty's 6.1 has most of the feature stolen from 6.5, but with none of the crap

Fallen Spartan said:
As above post, why not go for latest phone 'Leo' a.k.a. the HD2 instead of both the HD and the Hero??
If you would still rather go for either the HD or Hero, then its simply down to whether you want Android or Windows
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Basically, I am on a bit of a budget as I am actually planning to get one pre-owned from 'Cex'. If I had the money, I would go for the Leo without another word but I can't. I'm new to the smartphone market and I've never tried Android or Windows Mobile. I just like the Sense UI on both [using a ROM if I got the HD]. Which OS should I go for?

MehLon said:
I'm considering buying a new HTC phone after Xmas as my Sony Ericsson W850i is getting a bit old. I've seen the Touch HD with WM6.5 roms but I've also seen the Hero. Which one should I go for? [PS. I'm from the UK]
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Hi, clearly i can say only:
Touch Hd - more advanced, more ability/opportunities, wm is more custom-able than android, touch hd have in development fully* working android
Hero - fastest interface, easy in use, lower resolution, no videocall's, hero housing/case is beautyfull, best quality I have seen.
Touch HD2 looks great but in my opinion too expensive atm - just wait for next gen. 1.5Ghz Snapdragon platforms

HD -> pocket-friendly, WM=heavy weight+Qualcomm/HTC hardware acceleration driver support for HD (therefore laggy), fully configurable&tweakable.
Hero -> pocket-friendly, Android=very lightweight (only sometimes laggy), consistent interface and apps, outstanding Google apps (e.g. free Street View Navigation) if you don't mind about your privacy, but may become boring if you like customizing your phone.
HD2 -> not pocket-friendly, the best and fastest (WM) phone out there.
Both HD and Hero phones are to be considered end-of-HTC-"support".
If you can afford to wait 9 more months, go for sth cheap meanwhile and take a look at the next HTC (Win7 OS and/or Tegra platforms) and iPhone generations, then consider again. If you can't wait, I'd currently go for the HD2, even though I'm very happy with my HD (but I wouldn't buy it again, it's a dying product).

2 finger multitouch HD2 / 4 finger multitouch HD7

Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.

Sjuust said:
Will 2 finger multitouch ever be good on WP7 on the HD2? I noticed the multitouch driver on WP7 is not as good as the Android version. On Android it's possible to press one finger on the screen and after that the second and they are both registered correctly. In my observation the multitouch on WP7 for the HD2 works like WinMo 6.5. You have to touch the sceen with both fingers at the same time or it will not recognize multitouch. (Or dualtouch in this case.)
On a native WP7 device there is 4 point multitouch I believe...so the best multitouch for the HD2 would be like Android where you don't have to touch the sceen at the same time.
I tested the game 'Cell' where they there's a message 'Touch screen with 3 fingers to goto main menu'...which will never be possible on an HD2 because of the hardware limitations of the touchscreen.
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooo..... i hope that you're wrong and that this is a software problem

check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306

orangekid said:
check this out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5974306#post5974306
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While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.

elyl said:
While the HD2 may have multi-point touch, that post means nothing.
This would be the same HTC support that told people an official WP7 update would be coming, and other various nonsense over the years.
I would be very surprised if the peons on the support desk know the finer technical nuances of the hardware.
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this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all

Hi,
Do you think that is possible to replace touchscreen driver files by thoses contained in the htc léo 08787 patch for wm6.5 ?
Tx

Impossible. WP7 has a completely different driver architecture.

hoss_n2 said:
this thread was made by me along time ago , i'm happy some people still remember it , and about that these info may be not true , i asked htc in 4 different regions (us , france , germany , uk ) and they all confirmed that the 2 point are software limitation , and about wp7 , it was going to be released but microsoft changed their standards and mind , that is all
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Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.

Idhor Naergon said:
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
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I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.

zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
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i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?

Idhor Naergon said:
Today I tested the HD2 multitouch touchscreen with a game called "Knots" which you need to touch the balls on the screen, and there are more than 2 balls on the screen... and guess! It doesn't work! Only for the 2 first balls. I think people from HTC are wrong when they say that is the software limits the true multitouch when I think it's the hardware that does it.
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zarathustrax said:
I agree, i'm pretty sure it's a hardware issue. There will never be more than 2 point multitouch on the hd2... the capacitive touch controller the HD2 uses doesn't support more than 2 points. But, hopefully the drivers right now can be improved to make the 2 point touch work better than what it does right now.
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domon07 said:
i concur, my friend's htc wildfire can do more than 2 fingers on xpiano but when i tried it on my hd2 android, only 2 notes can be pressed simultaneously. do you know if desire or dhd can do more than 2?
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If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.

If it is not a hardware limitation, then who's going to write the drivers?
Has anyone ever managed to engineer a fully functional driver for, well, anything on XDA? I remember for the Kaiser there were multiple people trying to make a proper graphics driver and there was never a truly 100% functional one. We weren't able to provide TMC access to the radio on the HD2 - and that was on the native WM6.5
I wouldn't hold my breath for a new driver. Writing a driver for a piece of hardware we have absolutely no documentation on is hard enough. Couple that with writing for a brand new OS and it looks even less likely.
I'd be ecstatic to be proved wrong, though.

i like people who say its impossible !!!
cotulla is one of the people who can say impossible is nothing...
and i just belive in the future cotulla make lot of kids and give them his experience...
and we can have lot of PRO developers in the future
becouse for Russian people everithing is possible...
just need trink Vodka rulezz...
just support it..

Hi Guys,
I bought fruit ninja off Marketplace the other day. Some times it does register two slices on the screen. So it's most probably just a driver issue. 2 point Multitouch was enabled for Wm65 and this will eventually get to WP7 aswell. So be patient

orangekid said:
If the right driver is not there, you will not get more than 2 finger multi-touch.
What you guys are saying does not prove it's a hardware limitation at all. Android doesn't have any app/game that uses 4 point, so of course the driver isn't there, but the device may still be hardware capable.
You guys need to understand that drivers affect how the software interacts with the hardware, and without correctly written drivers hardware won't work.
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It is a hardware limitation... ask any dev that has worked with touch drivers for the HD2. I can't remember exactly what touch sensor the hd2 has, but I know it's one that is only capable of 2 points touch. There was a lot of research done on this both when the hd2 first came out and they were developing multitouch sdk for the hd2, and when they were developing the linux kernel/android for the hd2 and cotulla had to write the touchscreen driver for it. The HD2 is not capable of more than 2 point multitouch.
HTC even made a big deal when the next gen devices came out (I think starting with the EVO) that they were using a new touch sensor that was capable of more than 2 point multitouch, which they never used on prior devices.

Imo, no or maybe yes! Yesterday i got my new HD7... multitouching is REALLY good.. On HD2 is harware limitation or something..

probably kernel related.
This might help: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878936