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anyone have experience taking apart the phone and replacing the camera module? or know what instruments are needed for this? thanks a lot!
Which Camera module did you need to replace ?
The main module (The one next to the battery) or the low res version for Video Calls ??
Both are fairly straight forward to replace (The Main one is actually easier than the Video Call One).....
The biggest problem you will have is obtaining one of these modules...
Having said that though, I did see a link here not so long ago for a place in china that was selling parts for these things relatively cheap (Screens, cases, etc).....
As for getting to the main module...
1) Remove Battery cover, battery, and all the screws around the battery area..
2) Remove the bottom cover (From memory there are 4 clips... Take your time and prise them off with a screwdriver...)
3) You should have access to the Camera module (From memory... Its been a long time since I took mine apart)....
There is a workshop manual on here somewhere... Definitely download the thing as it explains everything in regards to taking apart and putting the thing back together again....
yeah the main back camera
ill look around for the manual.. thanks!
trewang said:
yeah the main back camera
ill look around for the manual.. thanks!
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It's on the ftp. Something with confidential in the name.
BTW I took mine apart (to replace the LCD and later again to replace the flex cable) and now the camera doesn't work anymore.
Hi man i have the same problem with you once my phone fell of and i think the camera is damaged so pleas if you find any links of the selling parts post it hear.I also damaged the flash light too.
Wow, my camera just started working again. I had the "Failed to initialize camera 3600:100:x" error.
I actually tried fixing that by swapping the camera from another MDA Pro, but that didn't help.
My main camera is not working and the flash too its not giving me any errors when i start the camera it takes some time to start and the only thing i have is a black screen my flash is not working too.Is there a place to bye one of these?Or if i send it to qteq will they fix it?And how much they will charge me for this?and i was thinking to sell it oh man.
Few days ago, my camera started giving me problems. I get green ish and pink ish distorted image all over. And when I snap, the picture taken is all green (or grey when seen in resco picture viewer).
Actually I hardly use the camera. Although the camera in my opinion is quite ok but not that great and furthermore, I prefer not to waste my battery power by taking camera shots with my Dopod u1000. i usually use my sony errisson k850i instead for taking pictures.
Therefore I can live with not having a camera on my Dopod u1000. But if anyone can enlighten me about why my camera can suddenly become like this I will find peace of mind.
Could it be the cmos sensor problem and if it is then how to fix it? Is it something I cannot do by myself but must go back to HTC service center?
Is it camera drivers problem? I know that the device must have some drivers in built such as the USB and microdrives drivers and that these drivers doesn't come with the rom upgrades.
I did disassemble the unit for other reasons but I suspect the problem was not because of the disassembling the unit. In fact if I remember well, there was something not quite right with the last camera shot I took even before I disassembled the unit. I clicked and the screen went dark for quite a while before the picture appeared.
Thanks
I found an interesting website about cleaning the camera sensor. Unfortunately, there is a negative side to all the methods recommended. That makes it look like it has to be left to professionals. But the problem is camera professionals will not know how to dismantle our Dopod u1000 pocket pc even though they know about digital cameras. they might damage other parts of the pocket pc. So, it has to be either done personally or it has to be done by HTC service department.
http://www.cleaningdigitalcameras.com/index.html
I'm experiencing the same problem and quite sure that is a software problem. I swith the jpg compression from Super Fine to Fine and apparently the problem is gone. When I tried to get back to Sufer fine the problem restart. I would recommend that you reinstall the SW for image if nothing else help. if some one come out with another approach I would like to hear.
cphilip, how did you settle the strap, using the speaker grilled door? it's strong enough? it's something that I miss in my Advantage.
Yes. The anthena casing is made of aluminium. Very strong. Not plastic. At least the casing of my Dopod u1000 is strong and I would believe the Athena is the same. My friend accidentally dropped his unit on to hard floor but the internal parts are perfectly protected by the strong casing. the plastic cover around the camera and the bottom battery cover are the weak parts and can be broken if not careful.
I would love to get the software drivers for the camera. When we buy laptop or desktop, we are usually provided with a set of drivers for the components connected to the main board. Unfortunately, for Pocket pc, we are not given a set of drivers (softwares) so that we can reinstall if anything gets corrupted. I doubt if the some of these drivers comes together with the ROM upgrades for the Athena. The ROm upgrades for Athena are mostly made up of the Windows Mobile operating system that is designed to work with the Athena correct me if I am wrong on this.
Even though I love Michy's WM6.1 ROM, I have already reflashed my unit with the Dopod windows mobile 6 stock rom and the camera is still the same.
BTW, I used a simple string to go through the grill and when I manage to pull the string out from the other side, I tie the string to my strap. then I carefull pull the string to guide the strap through the grills.
Thanks, I though about the same but was affraid the strap will eventually broken the case speaker grill. will do it now.
on the camera problem check on this fórum for the HTC camera and camera album software download and try them. it may bring your camera to live again.
Although the grill of the athena cover is strong But I wouldn't advise on swinging the device with your strap because the string of your strap might wear down and snap if you do it often enough. For me, I like to have the strap around my wrist when reading an ebook in public places because i feel some extra security just in case i accidentally let go of my Athena.
did you get any progress on making your camera working?
rcf2
thanks for your concern and suggestions. unfortunately, i downloaded and tried the softwares but still not resolved. At the moment I am just using my U1000 without the camera and all is fine. if i need to take pictures i will just use my k850i.
But will definitely appreciate any new ideas that might help to restore the camera. Until than the other features of the Athena x7500 is provinding almost all my mobile computing needs. Thanks
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rcf2
thanks for your concern and suggestions. unfortunately, i downloaded and tried the softwares but still not resolved. At the moment I am just using my U1000 without the camera and all is fine. if i need to take pictures i will just use my k850i.
But will definitely appreciate any new ideas that might help to restore the camera. Until than the other features of the Athena x7500 is provinding almost all my mobile computing needs. Thanks
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Try to use any other camera application
such as cool camera
Does anyone make a back cover that covers up the camera? Some searching didn't turn up anything.
Electrical tape is your friend. (remove cover, and put a strip of electical tape over the camera port, [top hole], replace cover, and your camera will be covered.) Why would you want to disable the camera anyhow?
I was looking for this too because I rarely use the camera and the phone would look nice if it was simply black on the back.
Unfortunately I didn't find anything and not a big fan of "taping" my phone
Work reasons. Need it to look like it's not a camera.
They make a Fuze that comes without a cameraZ (found out the hard way by accidentally buying one).. Go to AT&T and see if they can get you a back for one of those.. Or do some googling
Googling didn't turn up anything useful, hence the post. Thanks for letting me know about the version without the camera though, I'll stop by a store and see what they can do.
Ok, jsut got this thing off of ebay, power it all up I notice someone has been inside. eh no real biggie.. I unlock it and test the major functions.. all works. Bring up the camera and holy crap its like looking through the eyes of a lawn gnome tripping off shrooms and acid.. take a look (attached)
I rewiped.. installed Fx Camera to see if it was a setting, and also wiped the memory card (which came with the phone.. cool!) I then turn around and see that the camera lens is cracked on the battery cover, however the lens inside looks pretty good. So, I'm thinking this is a hardware problem, but Im not afraid to try to fix it if its just a few dollars. Am I screwed?
whoah, thats a trip!
If you deem it to be hardware, I have a spare camera from a parted G1. PM if you want details
I may take you up on that, however I am searching google right now to see if you can even replace the CCD
The camera module is on a ribbon cable that attaches to the motherboard, easily removed. So long as the component damaged is not on the mainboard itself you should be fine.
That's what I like to see!
You have a PM
If you plan on taking it apart yourself you need to be extremely careful, i took mine apart to replace the case when i bought it and after putting it back together everything seemed fine but after a while the touchscreen kept dying the camera never worked and my signal dropped all the time, i tried taking it apart and putting it back together several times to no avail. The phone became unuseable and i shelved it for my D600... bad times. It was only until i was going to send my G1 to a phone recycle website that i opened it up one last time, after doing nothing different and putting it back together its for some reason worked ever since. Just a word of warning hope whatever you do works out ok - Adam
Thanks for the warning! Someone already has been in the camera before.. I am going to assume that it was to take a peak at the camera lens so I am not afraid of voiding the warranty. It's no new adventure for me, I have been inside multiple phones and other small electronics, but thank you again. It never hurts to be redundant when opening any electronic device.
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When disassembling, I like to modify the HTC manual a bit. I remove the back plastic, and the coaxial cables (be VERY CAREFUL when reassembling, they always get pinched!). Then, remove the connectors as instructed EXCEPT the camera. Now, lift the camera portion, as well as the IMEI sticker as a whole module. They are just taped down. When lifted up fully, now you can spin the mainboard out of it's hooks and remove the entire assembly. This was the difficult connection to the camera stays intact. Makes reassembling much easier too, as it will self align.
If you haven't read/downloaded the G1 service manual, you need to!
http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/HTC Dream SM (A04).pdf
Whoa! My first phone that has a manual!
FTA:
"This document contains highly confidential information, so any or all of this document should not be revealed to any third party."
HAHAHAHA!
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Ok, jsut got this thing off of ebay, power it all up I notice someone has been inside. eh no real biggie.. I unlock it and test the major functions.. all works. Bring up the camera and holy crap its like looking through the eyes of a lawn gnome tripping off shrooms and acid.. take a look (attached)
I rewiped.. installed Fx Camera to see if it was a setting, and also wiped the memory card (which came with the phone.. cool!) I then turn around and see that the camera lens is cracked on the battery cover, however the lens inside looks pretty good. So, I'm thinking this is a hardware problem, but Im not afraid to try to fix it if its just a few dollars. Am I screwed?
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My phone just started doing the same thing. I flashed the ADP image to see if it was a bug with the ROM I was using, only to find that it was still all crazy looking. Contemplating if I should try the repair or warranty exchange my phone again, ugghh
mine's doing the same suddenly, according to this: http://www.fixya.com/support/t2307654-htc_g1_camera_takes_pictures_messed_up
it's called solarization but how does one turn it off without a hard reset?
I downloaded the Snap Photo app which allows turning solarization on or off but it makes no difference
Any know how to fix this?
starting to look less and less like hardware
Anyone know how to switch this back to normal?
Hate to say it, but I do not see anything that would point this to software. First, if it was a setting or something software related, it would be resolved by the factory reset.. Heck, flashing the rom like JackSlim did would have reset any bad stacks or drivers.
I did find that post by fixya initially and quickly dismissed when I noticed that 1. Fixya blows... 2. there was no resolution 3. this is the same behavior that digital cameras get when the ccd or cmos goes bad..
PLEASE correct me if Im wrong, I would rather be
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Hate to say it, but I do not see anything that would point this to software. First, if it was a setting or something software related, it would be resolved by the factory reset.. Heck, flashing the rom like JackSlim did would have reset any bad stacks or drivers.
I did find that post by fixya initially and quickly dismissed when I noticed that 1. Fixya blows... 2. there was no resolution 3. this is the same behavior that digital cameras get when the ccd or cmos goes bad..
PLEASE correct me if Im wrong, I would rather be
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After reading the post of Fixya I went into Camera Magic and played with some of the setting and couldn't change it back to normal
Unrooted my G1 today, back to stock Donut DRC83, still the same issues, so I'm pretty sure it's not software related. Since I've had the same issue on the latest Cyanogen build, the Android Dev Phone build & the stock Donut build.
Called T-Mobile to get a warranty replacement, so I'm $9.99 and a couple days away from having another phone.
That's my fix anyways
I hope anyone not covered under a warranty is able to find a solution, my guess is you would have to replace the camera itself as Speed mentioned in one of the earlier posts, so look for a parted out phone or a aftermarket parts store and good luck with opening up the phone
As soon as money goes into my paypal account and I replace it I will post my results. Heck, if anyone is interested I will do a step by step for future reference. With pictures taken from a working camera, of course.
The only reason I am thinking software is that it seems like it is occurring to a few people all of a sudden where a week ago none of us had heard of this. I had a accelerometer problem with a G1 and I took it back to the RC29 rom and everything trying to fix it, it never would work. Sent it to HTC and they reflashed it...worked fine. They said there were no hardware issues. That makes me think there must be a bit of software that isnt getting replaced (like bios on a pc?). Perhaps what is going on is hardware..just hard to say right now.
The camera itself may have some firmware that is corrupted. Also possible that there's a fried transistor somewhere along the line. Could even be something really simple, like a bad ribbon cable or connection.
Cheers for Manual link
will greatly help when I swap over from black case to white case
( sticky keys and a mate wanted white one sooo $30 AUD for an complete white kit and hoping for sucsessfull fixed KB glitch )
note that you will still have black buttons for volume and camera, as well as memory card cover. That is what kept me from changing colors on mine- I went with a black replacement case so I didnt have the wrong colored buttons
I need a guide how to take off the screen from the backcover. There are 4 screws, but when you remove them, the screen doesn't move, also when using a vacuum pump.
Is there a special trick to get the display removed?
I know, a guy @ www.xda-china.com has managed to disassemble the HD2, but as i don't understand chinese i can't register there and ask him.
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I know, a guy @ www.xda-china.com has managed to disassemble the HD2, but as i don't understand chinese i can't register there and ask him.
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No idea about your question, but did you ever try the google translation tools on this web site? It should be possible to translate it to English at least. Mabye that brings you forward ...
Request!
When taking your HD2 apart, could you PLEASE do the following:
Take high resolution pictures of the chips inside (pref. ALL chips)
A lot of us here really want to know what the memory chips say and what the broadcom chip says!
This would help a lot in the possible (if possible) development of a FM transmitter driver/app for the HD2 and it would once and for all answer the question if we have 448MB or 576MB of RAM and 512MB or 1GB of ROM.
Thanks a lot!
AGREE!
Yeah, i totally agree with ralphfx.
In this thread, i also requested some high quality pictures of the chips located inside the HD2 - the Boradcom chip especially.
This would be highly appreciated.
yeah,we are all interested about ram rom and comm chipset....we really appreciate if you take photos about this argument....
1. have a nice insurance
2. use excessive force
3. take pictures
4. call the insurance company, tell them someone bumped in to you on the bus and the phone fell and people walked on it
5. Win Win situation, we get pics, you get new phone
may I ask why you want to open it?
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may I ask why you want to open it?
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because the right upper corner of the display is lower than the other three corners and i would like to fix this. But i won't do that unless i have a really good guide, in order not to destroy the HD2.
i can recognize the same thing on my phone (at least it seems to be so). but:
(1) it is maybe 0.1mm difference at the top right corner _at most_ (just feelable when you move your fingers over the corners slightly and compare)
(2) there is no difference in the other corners, especially not in the lower left one. which makes me assume that it is not the screen that is tilt, but the frame that is bend. (did you check that with a master tool? maybe difficult due to the keys at the bottom...)
anyway, the difference is (at least over here) so small i didnt even realize it until i read your thread and took a _very_ close look at mine. of course, how bad it really is is highly subjective and as we all want pictures from the chips inside as well: plz go ahead! (and someone give him that howto finally!)
I had to remove the camera from my HD and here is how I have done it:
(This information is provided as is without warranty to accuracy. I take no responsibility for your action. Removing the back cover will void the warranty!)
Image 1:
Remove the 4 Screws. As you see on the Image, two of the screws have a stickers on them. I tried but I couldn't remove them in one piece. From this point on, you no longer have warranty on your phone!)
Image 2:
To remove the back, you need a plastic tool like the one on the Image.
Do not use metal or other hard tools. (They will damage the very soft and fragile frame and your phone will look ugly.)
Image 3 - Top:
These are the hooks that keep the top in place. You have to insert the plastic tool between the display and the frame and very carefully disengage the hooks on both sides.
Image 3 - Bottom:
The bottom side of the cover. On this side there are no hooks only a long retaining edge. At the reassembly this edge clips in first and then the top hooks snap in.
That's all. I haven't disassembled the phone any further as I only needed to get to the camera.
For all of you, who are not allowed to carry a phone with camera at work: this is your device! As there is no second forward facing camera, only the main camera must be removed. It is held by a cage (see last image). This can be carefully pried up and turned to the side. Then the camera can be removed and the cage closed again. Be very careful! The release for the cage is above some capacitors and you have not much space to work. Use a sharp and tiny screwdriver.
The camera driver is intelligent enough not to cause any side effects. When the camera software is started, nothing happens. No error message, no freezing, nothing.
I closed the camera hole with a piece of black plastic (from the back of a CD cover) and so it still looks fine.
The HD2 is the best business phone and it is a real joy to use in a daily basis...
Cheers,
Thinman
you've solved your problem?
Thinman24, please repeat procedure and open up on top right corner so we can check to see if the BCM4329 chip is present for FM transmitter function. See here for more info :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=622377&page=26
Great job!
where is the external speaker?
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For all of you, who are not allowed to carry a phone with camera at work
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Why would you not be allowed to carry a phone with a camera at work?
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Why would you not be allowed to carry a phone with a camera at work?
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Security...
Thinman24, please repeat procedure and open up on top right corner so we can check to see if the BCM4329 chip is present for FM transmitter function. See here for more info :
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I'm sorry, I can't do that. I took the images in December right after my phone arrived and as you know: never change a runnig system...
The Frame around the Display is VERY soft and disassembling the phone repeatedly will certainly introduce some dents and bumps.
I had two minor ones (due to the fact, that there were no guides and I was looking for the hooks on the side) but I could smooth them out, so hey are barely visible.
I will check my images at home in the evening. Maybe I have one where the chip is visible but don't hold your breath as it wasn't my main concern back then.
Why would you not be allowed to carry a phone with a camera at work?
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I'm working in a Design Center of a car company... camera == loss of job, immediately. They take this very seriously here.
where is the external speaker?
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It's to the right of the Camera Opening on Image 3. It's attached to the back cover and is connected by springloaded contacts (can be seen on the last image).
There are no wires between the back cover and the Display/MainModule. Everything is connected by touch contacts. Makes the removal very simple.
Cheers,
Thinman
...so we can check to see if the BCM4329 chip is present for FM transmitter function.
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I checked my photos, but the chips are covered so the images are not much use...
Cheers,
Thinman
It's alright - thanks for your time though ^^
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=624331 <--- internal pictures of the HD2
thinman24 said:
I'm working in a Design Center of a car company... camera == loss of job, immediately. They take this very seriously here.
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Are you not allowed to bring your eyes to work either?
Lol...
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Are you not allowed to bring your eyes to work either?
Lol...
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actually you made me lol
pretty common sense/logic that he is not allowed to use the camera inside the building in his line of work
another example is when I went to the VW/Audi factory in germany with my class a couple of years ago we had to turn in our phones at the entrance due to security reasons... also in places where there's government secrets/building - if you get caught in action you can get jail (something like that, was a while ago....)
Really extensive disassemble photo-guide in russian.
http://www.pdacenter.ru/razborka/htc_hd2/