I use my XDA II to check my work emails which are in a POP3 account (connecting over GPRS when I'm out and about). This works ok, but...
What I find strange is that at each connection it seems to go through every single message on the server regardless of whether (1) the message is already downloaded or (2) it is several days old.
This is incredibly slow and expensive when you are getting about 300 messages a day.
(To expand on this, assuiming I get 300 messages a day and set the email to download messages only from the last 3 days, and only to download the first 3kb of each message - on each connection the mail client still works its way through all messages on the server, which could be about 1500, taking about 1 second for each one. Using GPRS monitor I see I use something like 700kb - 1Mb on each connection. Crazy! :shock: )
I notice other email clients, such as nPOP are able to simply check and download new messages on each connection. (using about 15kb or so a time) So why cant the inbuilt email program do this?? (I don't want to use nPop for various reasons).
Any hints or ideas would be much appreciated. :?:
I feel your pain. I tried setting up my yahoo mail using the internal pop account as well. It would always have to refresh over 1500 mail messages which would take up to a couple hours. I haven't been able to find much of a workaround for this either. Any suggestions?
Yes!
I have started a couple of threads on this topic, with no response. I found I got hit with over $500 in data roaming charges in Europe, doing email that with the palm operating system (snappermail) would cost me less than $50.
I think there are two solutions. One is qmail. Qmail can easily handle this problem -- you just tell it not to check mail over x days old. That is a simple program. But I favor the second solution, npop. Npop permits the same filter (I think).
I have tried these against poutlook, with phenomenal improvement. When there are 30 already downloaded messages on the server, poutlook may take 100KB just to check mail, while qmail takes 3KB and npop 1KB. The main disadvantages are
hard to use one-handed
no multipart html support in npop
can't reliably wake the wizard up to check mail automatically
but not only do these run lean, they also run 100% on the minisd card.
What won't help is flexmail -- it seems to just be a wrapper on poutlook.
I had this problem with my previous Pocket PC phones but never found a fix for it. My inbox (aka Messaging) is set to 'Connect and check for messages every 60 minutes'. Unfortunately, it does not check every hour but maybe once every few hours.
I am using SPB Pocket Plus and set the Messaging to exept from closing - so the Messaging is always up and running.
Anyone have some ideas or fix to this? My old Treo 600 was extremely reliable when it came to checking for emails every hour.
Also, does anyone know if I can change the interval from 60 minutes to 90 instead?
Thanks.
I 've noticed that too. The fact is, that if you have more then one accounts in the messaging, and you always do in fact, since ActiveSnc and SMS is always there. The software only checks email in certain interval when the appropriate account is active. So, for exmple if you have sent SMS to someone and this profile is active when you close or minimize Messaging, it will NOT check another email account
As far as I can tell, maximum configurable interval between schduled email send/recieve is 99 minutes.
However, thats miles too often for me...is there some reg hack that enables me to enter a period in hours?
…and is it possible to setup off peak hours? It is a bit annoying that it checks for emails in the middle of the night… :?
Is it possible to use an alternative email package?
Hi
I'm currently running a mail server on a dedicated box (host @ datacenter 30€/month) under linux with courrier-imap. There is a way to implement IMAP IDLE function, that is almost the same than pushing emails.
I actualy tested it without FAM (File Alteration Monitor). Fam allow you to have a realtime email like blackberry. I don't need it, the basic IMAP_ENHANCEDIDLE do a check every minutes and update if there is a mail.
I tested this feature through telnet and it worked lovely.
Now, in order to be able to use this feature over your windows mobile, you have the choice between to softwares.
The first is vgsmail http://www.vgsmail.com/ppc/ (free trial)
This one will just enable the IMAP IDLE feature on your pocket outlook (seems to be the more elegant way to implement it)
The second is WIS Flexmail 2007 (search at google ) (free trial)
This one is a new client (i don't like to change my use personnaly)
The major problem of the both solutions is that you have to pay for it.
Does anyone can do a patch for pocket outlook to implement imap idle fonction on it ?
Regards.
Reference thread: Here
Check out Seven.
http://community.seven.com/forum/main.php
I'm currently using it too work with my google IMAP account and I get push email. It works amaizing.
I don't know if its what your looking for but give it a shot and see.
I currently use it on my WM6 Hermes device and even though it not supported its working perfectly for me.
Knockz said:
Check out Seven.
http://community.seven.com/forum/main.php
I'm currently using it too work with my google IMAP account and I get push email. It works amaizing.
I don't know if its what your looking for but give it a shot and see.
I currently use it on my WM6 Hermes device and even though it not supported its working perfectly for me.
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Hi, thanks for your tips, btw i like to know something, is it a standalone program or a plugin for pocket outlook ?
Regards.
Its an addon for pocket outlook that manages the account and the push functionality. It also does other types of accounts. It gave me push email for my work account and pop accounts.
You still read/reply and manage your emails using pocket outlook.
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Fantastic, gonna test it tomorrow !
Thanks buddy !
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I tested this solution, sounds like a third party server is getting email from your server :/. It won't be a problem if this project didn't looks like another commercial push (visto like).
Actualy Seven is acting like a visto, sevens server try to fetch mail ~2mn and push it on they proprietary client, who is pushing the message @ pocket outlook.
It means that my mail is going through seven mail server and Seven has all access granted to my mailbox.
I'm just looking for a soft (without thrid party server checking) enabling the IMAP IDLE fonction.
Test of vgsmail & flexmail
I tried to test them with imap idle
vgsmail has been renamed to EmansioPushMail, great, but it just crash my Hermes (Schap's 3.54 ROM). Tried an old cab called Vsgmail-Pushmail.cab (looks like an old beta). Result is the same (just with a different program name )
flexmail is working with imap idle correctly, but it's eating up all my memory (92% busy). So my Hermes just finish to crash cause it don't get enough memory (GPRS+Flexmail+msn+Audio Player).
The both solution are non free ...
Is there a chance to get imap idle implemented on pocket outlook someday ?
A desesperate Linux's mail server admin.
maybe it's a stupid question, but just to know:
within my Pocket Outlook GMail IMAP options, I have an option to check mail every 5 minutes.
ok I know, it's not really push, but what's the difference, I doesn't really mather if you get your mails within some seconds or within 5 minutes, or does it?
There is really cool japanese freeware mail client named Qmail3 - It has IMAP4 - I do not know about IMAP IDLE but it is worth a try. Some people call that program "The Bat" for PPC because of tons of features it offers.
WM6 also supports IMAP4 and HTML mails...i don't really see much benefit for another email application...the full device integration will never be as good as with Pocket Outlook, I think.
VOODOOS!L said:
maybe it's a stupid question, but just to know:
within my Pocket Outlook GMail IMAP options, I have an option to check mail every 5 minutes.
ok I know, it's not really push, but what's the difference, I doesn't really mather if you get your mails within some seconds or within 5 minutes, or does it?
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Hi,
Actualy, the option that you are using is wasting a lot of bandwith.
Send/Receive procedure
1/ contact imap/pop server
2/ auth on it
3/ check message
This have an effective cost of bandwith (wich is limited to 10mo/month in my case)
It means that if you use this system you gonna waiste almost all bandwith just to check if there is some mails.
Imap Idle procedure
1/ contact/auth once
2/ enter idle mode
3/ server send a notification to the client entered in idle mode
This solution permit to don't waste bandwith and provide a real push solution (you have to install File Alteration Monitor on your mail server in order to get it) withouth FAM it works also but you can get a delay (less than 1mn).
This solution is the best cause you are not dependant of a third party who's all access on your mailbox (specialy for work purposes)
We don't want to set up any microsoft server or exchange servers (linux ftw).
KarhU said:
There is really cool japanese freeware mail client named Qmail3 - It has IMAP4 - I do not know about IMAP IDLE but it is worth a try. Some people call that program "The Bat" for PPC because of tons of features it offers.
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I gave a try on it, it doesn't implement imap idle feature, thanks anyway
VOODOOS!L said:
maybe it's a stupid question, but just to know:
within my Pocket Outlook GMail IMAP options, I have an option to check mail every 5 minutes.
ok I know, it's not really push, but what's the difference, I doesn't really mather if you get your mails within some seconds or within 5 minutes, or does it?
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Depends on how often you get incoming mail.
If you only get one message per hour, but want to know within a few minutes of its arrival and set a 5-minute check interval, you're performing a LOT of extra full IMAP resyncs that are unnecessary, which will eat your battery.
There are also a number of other IMAP extensions usually implemented along with IDLE (known as the Lemonade Profile) that significantly reduce data transfers (and battery abuse), the basic IMAP support in Pocket Outlook does not implement these.
Entropy512 said:
Depends on how often you get incoming mail.
If you only get one message per hour, but want to know within a few minutes of its arrival and set a 5-minute check interval, you're performing a LOT of extra full IMAP resyncs that are unnecessary, which will eat your battery.
There are also a number of other IMAP extensions usually implemented along with IDLE (known as the Lemonade Profile) that significantly reduce data transfers (and battery abuse), the basic IMAP support in Pocket Outlook does not implement these.
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ok, thx for the clarification!
if the IDLE and lemonade would work in Pocket Outlook, would we be able to get push email in combination with the new GMail IMAP support? would be nice and cheap I guess
If you have unlimited text messages, use PushEffect - uses a text message to signal outlook to check email. Works great for me - http://www.qorefunctions.com/
Tranman79 said:
If you have unlimited text messages, use PushEffect - uses a text message to signal outlook to check email. Works great for me - http://www.qorefunctions.com/
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Unfortunately, i don't have any free sms service :/
VOODOOS!L said:
WM6 also supports IMAP4 and HTML mails...i don't really see much benefit for another email application...the full device integration will never be as good as with Pocket Outlook, I think.
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It doesn't support IMAP IDLE - see my related articles
KarhU said:
There is really cool japanese freeware mail client named Qmail3 - It has IMAP4 - I do not know about IMAP IDLE but it is worth a try. Some people call that program "The Bat" for PPC because of tons of features it offers.
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no IDLE support either - again, make sure you ALL follow my articles - see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=IMAP Bible
Menneisyys said:
no IDLE support either - again, make sure you ALL follow my articles - see http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=IMAP Bible
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Hi, very interesting article !
Thanks for the link.
I'm actualy in contact with the developper off vgsmail, cause it's really unstable with windows mobile 6 (random freeze works partialy)
I'll back to you when i'll get more information.
Kayser said:
I'm actualy in contact with the developper off vgsmail, cause it's really unstable with windows mobile 6 (random freeze works partialy)
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Anything new on this?
dew.man said:
Anything new on this?
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vgsmail is now Emansio:
http://www.emansio.com
and in my testing it still (version 20070916143800) seems unreliable and buggy on my Kaiser (WM6). Great idea, I wish the darn task manager icon could be removed, and I wish it worked properly. Price is high in USD with the current exchange rates, but I might be able to stomach the basic license if it worked....
Richard
Hi, I just got my HD2 last week and the email functions on it are bothering me a little bit. I just switched from a blackberry curve and here are some of the problems I am having.
my emails seem to be disappearing after some time (and I have not deleted them) are there auto delete settings somewhere that I am not seeing?
the BB I had always kept my emails until I specifically deleted them.
my BB seemed to get my emails almost immediately, where as on the HD2 it looks like it will only refresh as often as every 5 minutes? Can this be adjusted for a faster refresh?
thanks!
-Crazypostalgirl
Crazypostalgirl said:
Hi, I just got my HD2 last week and the email functions on it are bothering me a little bit. I just switched from a blackberry curve and here are some of the problems I am having.
my emails seem to be disappearing after some time (and I have not deleted them) are there auto delete settings somewhere that I am not seeing?
the BB I had always kept my emails until I specifically deleted them.
my BB seemed to get my emails almost immediately, where as on the HD2 it looks like it will only refresh as often as every 5 minutes? Can this be adjusted for a faster refresh?
thanks!
-Crazypostalgirl
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I think you can have only the last 50 emails for view, as for the refreshing you can set it to "As items arrive"
Use Active Sync to set up your email, then you can use Microsoft push email to get your email. Its a little harder to set up but works a lot better.
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I think you can have only the last 50 emails for view, as for the refreshing you can set it to "As items arrive"
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at most I had only 10 emails listed.
also I dont see any option for "as items arrive"
I see
manually
then choices for every 5minutes- every 4 hours
once a day