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Yes. Phone its some how better but it gets stock here and there. .lags make me sick. Any one knows a real fix for lag? I'm hitting 2200 plus on quadrant and all but I think that means ****. .. any one have a real solution. ...
Love for this to be like my evo running cm6. Snappy and fast. But I got to say I'm in love with galaxy. ..love the amoled. Can't ever go back to a regular screen LOL. I just want this to fly the way is suppose to man.
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i have no idea, I read some things that said these lag fixes show higher numbers, but are not actually faster. that is just what I read, I have not applied any.
but do have a question kind of related so not trying to thread jack.
I am under the impression that the lag fixes make the phone use dalvic (which is faster then how ever samsung had it set up) (i obviously dont completely understand the technical details of the lag fixes). When we get 2.2, either from samsung or developers, will it be faster because 2.2 is more optimized and using jit AND will they use what ever these lag fixes implement?
in other words, 2.2 will make the phone faster and partly due to jit, but will we still have to do these fixes to make the phone use dalvic (instead of what ever samsung did) to make it as fast as it should be, or will 2.2 make that change also?
not trying to thread jack, if this needs its own thread, please let me know and I apoligize, just though i would post as its related.
Amen to that. Hit 2200 exactly just about an got ago but there are still lag issues. I believe the JIT compiler will make all the difference. So, uh, just be prepared to get a bunch of "be patient" "just wait" posts.
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i have no idea, I read some things that said these lag fixes show higher numbers, but are not actually faster. that is just what I read, I have not applied any.
but do have a question kind of related so not trying to thread jack.
I am under the impression that the lag fixes make the phone use dalvic (which is faster then how ever samsung had it set up) (i obviously dont completely understand the technical details of the lag fixes). When we get 2.2, either from samsung or developers, will it be faster because 2.2 is more optimized and using jit AND will they use what ever these lag fixes implement?
in other words, 2.2 will make the phone faster and partly due to jit, but will we still have to do these fixes to make the phone use dalvic (instead of what ever samsung did) to make it as fast as it should be, or will 2.2 make that change also?
not trying to thread jack, if this needs its own thread, please let me know and I apoligize, just though i would post as its related.
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can anyone comment on my question? will 2.2 be more speedy just because of the great things that make 2.2 fast (jit/optimized) or will it include what ever our current lag fixes do with an ext partition/dalvic?
so say we get 2.2 and its great, would it be even better if we do the lag fixes that we are currently doing it samsung does not already implement this change?
thanks
kboater said:
can anyone comment on my question? will 2.2 be more speedy just because of the great things that make 2.2 fast (jit/optimized) or will it include what ever our current lag fixes do with an ext partition/dalvic?
so say we get 2.2 and its great, would it be even better if we do the lag fixes that we are currently doing it samsung does not already implement this change?
thanks
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yes 2.2 it that big of a difference. Jit realy speeds up the phone. I can't wait. I still though have no lag without a lag fix. I got a n1 with froyo and the sgs is just as quick CPU wise without it.
Be patient and just wait........lol
That's because Quadrant score is biased by the "lag fix". If my understanding of the lag fix is correct, it creates and ext2 FS on top of the existing one, acting, in a sense, like a buffer. It may help you fool the quadrant score with writes and may improve a little if you are invoking the same app multiple times, but all that at the expense of losing journaling, a very important feature in a portable device.
I've noticed the same issues -- fast quadrant, still laggy -- and so I basically disregard all mentions of "quadrant" in the forums. That said, the One Click Lag Fix is still a huge improvement over stock, but not perfect.
For my phone, I've reverted back to the METHOD #1 fix mentioned in this thread -- basically moving the /data storage into RAM. While it's not perfect (mainly due to the small app storage space), it is *very* quick and remains quick. It's also relatively easy to apply using Busybox and a Terminal Emulator.
Hope that helps.
smashpunks said:
yes 2.2 it that big of a difference. Jit realy speeds up the phone. I can't wait. I still though have no lag without a lag fix. I got a n1 with froyo and the sgs is just as quick CPU wise without it.
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i realize that 2.2 is a big improvement (i had it running on mytouch). what I am asking is:
regarding the lag fixes that we do now, I am wondering if that issue will be addressed when we get 2.2? or if that it will be faster because of jit and other things, and the problems that are causing lag (not using dalvic) will still need to be addressed?
I believe Samsung need to address the lag issue with a seperate firmware update to change the file system. I just hope and pray they will do it I can only imagine how fast the phone would be with a more modern file system given its performance on RFS!
kboater said:
i have no idea, I read some things that said these lag fixes show higher numbers, but are not actually faster. that is just what I read, I have not applied any.
but do have a question kind of related so not trying to thread jack.
I am under the impression that the lag fixes make the phone use dalvic (which is faster then how ever samsung had it set up) (i obviously dont completely understand the technical details of the lag fixes). When we get 2.2, either from samsung or developers, will it be faster because 2.2 is more optimized and using jit AND will they use what ever these lag fixes implement?
in other words, 2.2 will make the phone faster and partly due to jit, but will we still have to do these fixes to make the phone use dalvic (instead of what ever samsung did) to make it as fast as it should be, or will 2.2 make that change also?
not trying to thread jack, if this needs its own thread, please let me know and I apoligize, just though i would post as its related.
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Well the differences for me is my 3G speed from 200K-400K has change to 2Mbps-4Mbps, and I am happy. Thanks to the hard work of RyanZA's One Click Lag Fix.
nguyenmd said:
Well the differences for me is my 3G speed from 200K-400K has change to 2Mbps-4Mbps, and I am happy. Thanks to the hard work of RyanZA's One Click Lag Fix.
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Wow. I was not aware that the lag fix would change data speeds THAT much. can anyone else confirm results like that?
Hi there!
Since the JIT thing came out, i always had this doubt. And when i ask people about it, the answers are a little inconclusive. So, my doubt is: Is JIT a good thing to our phone, in particular to our processor? It makes the phone work faster?
Well, in my personal experience and using CM 6.1 in some points i would say yes, but in other i must say no. When i run the Quadrant Advanced test i get a better result with JIT on, but when i use some heavy apps (games for example) it lags more with JIT on than with it off. And the daily interaction with the phone is better when JIT is on too.
So, as a last resort i came to you people because i'am sure that you know the answers to my questions.
Thanks in advance.
The only positive differences I've seen it make are with fractal rendering apps and benchtests, and it probably helps with audio/picture/video renderings as well.
However I've noticed little detriment to leaving it on, so I do.
Caticorn said:
The only positive differences I've seen it make are with fractal rendering apps and benchtests, and it probably helps with audio/picture/video renderings as well.
However I've noticed little detriment to leaving it on, so I do.
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It's like i thought.. Thank you for your answer.
Just out of interest as there seems to be a difference of opinion on this.
I find CM7 faster, even when not overclocked.
90% of the vote for CM7 is about what I was expecting.
Can't understand why some people seem to prefer the stock rom.
Because stuff like this is subjective. That apart, few cant live without HTC Sense.
Not when it comes to performance/speed (which is the point of this poll) .
A benchmarking app would show a performance increase after flashing CM7.
Definitely CM7........ my keyboard finally works the way it should
I already had this argument with someone else, so not going to go over it again. But, I'll just state the main point I want to make: Synthetic benchmarks are NOT an indicator of real world performance.
And what will happen if it is proved that cm7 has more performance benchmark than stock. Nothing..... And it is not just the performance but also about features.
Just be happier that wildfire got rooted after ages. The waiting is good bcoz it even got s-off. Thanks to alpharevX again.
And thanks for comparing it with stock rom alone.
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Before root = root root root
After root. = stock stock stock
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3xeno said:
I already had this argument with someone else, so not going to go over it again. But, I'll just state the main point I want to make: Synthetic benchmarks are NOT an indicator of real world performance.
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Er, wasn't looking for an argument, just trying to gauge the general opinion on whether people find their wildfire faster after flashing cm7.
And yes, I'm aware benchmarking isn't 100% accurate, that's why I started the poll.
Not to prove anything, just to get a consensus.
Guys, please, when you say CM7 is better at performance, can anyone with CM7 confirm to run google maps properly ? They run like sh*t on my device. On froyo they were 100% responsive and fast, now they are unusable.
Btw my observations so far, the rom is far from faster, it is just overhyped rom and people vote its faster, because they read everywhere its faster. My opinion. Maybe on more hw capable devices it is indeed faster.
Don't get me wrong, it's very good looking and seems optimized with tons of tweaks and settings, but i prefer rather 100% performance over tweaks...
In fact, the stock rom is much faster in certain situations. (ie google maps, homescreen scrolling)
But the google maps may be some other problem than the rom.
The homescreen scrolling isn't dependant as much on the ROM as it is on the launcher...
Jackal331 said:
Guys, please, when you say CM7 is better at performance, can anyone with CM7 confirm to run google maps properly ? They run like sh*t on my device. On froyo they were 100% responsive and fast, now they are unusable.
Btw my observations so far, the rom is far from faster, it is just overhyped rom and people vote its faster, because they read everywhere its faster. My opinion. Maybe on more hw capable devices it is indeed faster.
Don't get me wrong, it's very good looking and seems optimized with tons of tweaks and settings, but i prefer rather 100% performance over tweaks...
In fact, the stock rom is much faster in certain situations. (ie google maps, homescreen scrolling)
But the google maps may be some other problem than the rom.
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Just go to settings>ADWlauncher>screen preferences>desktop scrolling speed
I did that.... I've went through all setings. I didin't mean faster as "faster" lol.
Maybe its the launcher (probably), anyway my point was it's not "way faster" than Froyo. At least on Wildfire.
as for me, CM is much more responsible and customisable, so you can configure it, to be much faster. I remember my first opinion after installing it "omg, stock rom sucks..." and I still think like that. I haven't tried gmaps though
I've been working with the phone a lot and I must admit my initial judgement was seriously flawed. The first thing I tried was google maps and together with not so well tweaked system / gui resulted in my downed mood. Now I'm starting to share your opinion.
I use 'Angry Birds' as a benchmarking app ...... before CM7 I could barely play the thing on Froyo (HTC stock ROM).... the birds were 'thrown' way too slowly (I don't really know if you guys get the picture)..... and don't even get me started on the keyboard..... it's sublime!!!!!!!! I can finally text at a normal human being's pace instead of waiting half a lifetime for a character to appear on my screen!!!!! (Ok maybe I am being a bit overdramatic.... still it's true)!!
lex25288 said:
I use 'Angry Birds' as a benchmarking app ...... before CM7 I could barely play the thing on Froyo (HTC stock ROM).... the birds were 'thrown' way too slowly (I don't really know if you guys get the picture)
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I get your drift mate.
My benchmarking app is copilot.
With the stock rom it was so slow it was barely usable.
With CM7, it flys along and works as well as any Tomtom device I've used.
I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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From my experience, roms based on stock. For some reason roms that have a lot of features eat a lot of memory, its like the os uses that much. CleanRom is based on stock and is pretty smooth and performance wise. A opod choice is also TeamEOS, which only has basic custom features.
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I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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thoughts - sabermod
oppinion - because its sabermod
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dia_naji said:
I have my nexus 10 rooted and for some reason i am seeing the ram is always near full... Now I know 4.2.2 OS does a great job of using optimizing the ram usage. My question is what rom do you think is best for less ram being used ? Just your thoughts and opinions
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Unless you're seeing significant performance problems, full RAM usage is a good thing, not a bad one. It means your system is doing its utmost to avoid far more expensive I/O operations to the eMMC flash memory. You also shouldn't really be able to "see" the system performing these optimizations, as they're designed to happen silently in the background.
unfortunately with the N10 full RAM brings issues like stuttering, significantly slowdown in performance and the occasional reboot. This has been seen and reported by numerous users here on the forum and I agree with them. There are workarounds, yes, but the problem still exists. This device - for whatever reason - acts very sensitive to little (below 150MB) available RAM.
Having said that: I think SentinelROM has been best so far, but you will still have to reboot every now and again. But the ROM is using different Mali drivers which seem to cure many of the laggy scrolling issues others seem to have (try Firefox browser for example).
mrruin said:
unfortunately with the N10 full RAM brings issues like stuttering, significantly slowdown in performance and the occasional reboot. This has been seen and reported by numerous users here on the forum and I agree with them. There are workarounds, yes, but the problem still exists. This device - for whatever reason - acts very sensitive to little (below 150MB) available RAM.
Having said that: I think SentinelROM has been best so far, but you will still have to reboot every now and again. But the ROM is using different Mali drivers which seem to cure many of the laggy scrolling issues others seem to have (try Firefox browser for example).
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"Numerous users" is a very nebulous claim, and not at all useful. I don't deny that it happens, but unless you can demonstrate that RAM usage is the culprit for lag (a very difficult feat when you consider all of the lurking variables "lag" entails), it's a pretty tall claim to say that it's a "full RAM" problem. This is especially important when you consider that problems with low memory management, handling paging to disk, and killing activities are highly ROM/kernel-dependent.
FWIW the uptime on mine, running Carbon ROM regularly exceeds one to two weeks without lag, and even then the reboots usually happen because I forget to charge the device and it dies in the night.
Sure you can make a science out of everything. Just look at the reports in this forum, they sing a pretty similar tune. Last but not least I have seen this on my own tablet as well. *shrug* for me it is what it is, I know a solution and have no lag our stutter.
mrruin said:
Sure you can make a science out of everything. Just look at the reports in this forum, they sing a pretty similar tune. Last but not least I have seen this on my own tablet as well. *shrug* for me it is what it is, I know a solution and have no lag our stutter.
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Recognizing the difference between anecdotal and empirical evidence isn't "making a science out of something," it's part of being a halfway-informed human being. Deliberately choosing to run by anecdotes alone isn't simply illogical, it's folly, and usually leads people into doing some very, very stupid things (this is precisely how snake oil cures get spread around: "look at all these people who said this works! I'll try it too because they think it works!")
Seeder is a great example for one of these imaginary non-problems. Lagfix is an example of the opposite-- it was built by an informed developer who knew the exact hardware problem they needed to target, and did just that.
That you saw it on your tablet really means nothing more than you've run ROM/kernel combinations that don't deal with low RAM very well. Which says nothing bad about you, but doesn't really bode well for the efficiency of that software combo.
Hi Guys,
I'm new to this forum. Recently bought a refurb HD+ for ~90 bucks on Rakuten. Played around with stock for 10 mins and then decided to get rid of it because it was irritatingly slow. Got CM10.1 on the emmc quick and easy, wayy better than stock B&N ROM (great job devs!)
Anyway, to get to the point, CM10.1 is still somewhat laggy in the homescreen, transitions and in app scrolling. Then I flashed the following zip made by the folks out in the GSII forums
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2360985
There are two versions of the mod available, I flashed the CM version.
Everything is so much faster now! Scrolling, animations all feel zippier. Maybe you guys can check it out and perhaps include it in a future ROM if you think it has anything more than a placebo effect.
PS: In case you guys don't like the mod there's an uninstall package in the linked thread on page 16.
will it drain more battery ??
williamlaw said:
will it drain more battery ??
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I'm still testing it out, but it doesn't seem to be draining much more battery than usual. I've also put this mod on my one x and atrix HD phones, the mod actually seemed to improve battery life on both devices.
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I'm still testing it out, but it doesn't seem to be draining much more battery than usual. I've also put this mod on my one x and atrix HD phones, the mod actually seemed to improve battery life on both devices.
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ok, thanks !!
let's try on my nook hd+, but seems not support 4.3, cos network broken after flashed on my n7
Wow, sounds great! I'm a little bit scared of flashing it. Can you guys update on your battery life and stability after applying this? I'll keep an eye out on this thread. Also, how would one remove it if it doesn't work out so well? This sounds very promising.
I turn animations off, so not an issue for me. The device still lags anyway, if you put one app or two hundred. Same lag issues. 1080p, 723mb non allocated ram and the 4470 do not mix well. Maybe it would have done better with 1GB more ram.
Thanks - just tried it against several synthetic benchmark tools and games.
Improvements vary between apps, but its definitely there - no placebo effect here.
Bench tools tried:
- Antutu gained 300 of 9600, not much but it's there.
- Quadrant gained 10%
- Basemark gained slightly more.
- Epic Citadel now gets 43fps at default high performance setting.
Sprite/blitz based games seem to improve a lot for my case;
- Vincent is one (not really a game, but its a fun stress-reliever, useful after reading garbage comments on forums, LOL)
- Shopping Cart Hero is another one. Very smooth, no more lag.
- Candy Crush, a big smoother, but not as much as the other games I tried.
Less noticeable effect on GPU-exclusive games like RR3, Crazy Taxi or MC4
No comment on UI improvement since I disabled all animations and only has 1 home screen.
I just flashed this, and seems to work well so far.
will update again though.
Thank you!!
I flashed the CM version and now my HD+ keeps booting into CWM when I press reboot system. And yes I am using verygreen's emmc ROM. I wonder what I'm doing wrong?
EDIT: Nevermind, flashed it again and it works, gonna take it for a spin now ... wow working very well so far (I noticed as soon as I swiped through my homescreens, UI has a lot less lag now), thanks for the heads up OP!
What is the point of this if you can simply turn off animations in dev mode? Is the lag when activating apps gone? Seems a bunch of settings not indigenous to the hardware could create issues as well as perhaps help some.
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What is the point of this if you can simply turn off animations in dev mode? Is the lag when activating apps gone? Seems a bunch of settings not indigenous to the hardware could create issues as well as perhaps help some.
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I always have all animations off on all my devices. (Main reason why I left iOS)
Still getting noticeable improvements with pure perf installed.
How is the battery drain in sleep mode?
looks good so far
I've not had much time with it after flashing this zip, but so far it has improved responsiveness when going quickly from app to app. It took a while after reboot for things to settle in (was a bit jerky at first), but it now wakes up faster and is less laggy throughout the UI. I usually get 3-4hrs per 1% drain when in sleep (wifi-on), so I should be able to tell right away if this is better or worse.
Anyone try this with Carbon?
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jpisini said:
Anyone try this with Carbon?
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I did, worked well but had a few FCs on the tweaked Carbon edition.