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Yes. Phone its some how better but it gets stock here and there. .lags make me sick. Any one knows a real fix for lag? I'm hitting 2200 plus on quadrant and all but I think that means ****. .. any one have a real solution. ...
Love for this to be like my evo running cm6. Snappy and fast. But I got to say I'm in love with galaxy. ..love the amoled. Can't ever go back to a regular screen LOL. I just want this to fly the way is suppose to man.
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i have no idea, I read some things that said these lag fixes show higher numbers, but are not actually faster. that is just what I read, I have not applied any.
but do have a question kind of related so not trying to thread jack.
I am under the impression that the lag fixes make the phone use dalvic (which is faster then how ever samsung had it set up) (i obviously dont completely understand the technical details of the lag fixes). When we get 2.2, either from samsung or developers, will it be faster because 2.2 is more optimized and using jit AND will they use what ever these lag fixes implement?
in other words, 2.2 will make the phone faster and partly due to jit, but will we still have to do these fixes to make the phone use dalvic (instead of what ever samsung did) to make it as fast as it should be, or will 2.2 make that change also?
not trying to thread jack, if this needs its own thread, please let me know and I apoligize, just though i would post as its related.
Amen to that. Hit 2200 exactly just about an got ago but there are still lag issues. I believe the JIT compiler will make all the difference. So, uh, just be prepared to get a bunch of "be patient" "just wait" posts.
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i have no idea, I read some things that said these lag fixes show higher numbers, but are not actually faster. that is just what I read, I have not applied any.
but do have a question kind of related so not trying to thread jack.
I am under the impression that the lag fixes make the phone use dalvic (which is faster then how ever samsung had it set up) (i obviously dont completely understand the technical details of the lag fixes). When we get 2.2, either from samsung or developers, will it be faster because 2.2 is more optimized and using jit AND will they use what ever these lag fixes implement?
in other words, 2.2 will make the phone faster and partly due to jit, but will we still have to do these fixes to make the phone use dalvic (instead of what ever samsung did) to make it as fast as it should be, or will 2.2 make that change also?
not trying to thread jack, if this needs its own thread, please let me know and I apoligize, just though i would post as its related.
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can anyone comment on my question? will 2.2 be more speedy just because of the great things that make 2.2 fast (jit/optimized) or will it include what ever our current lag fixes do with an ext partition/dalvic?
so say we get 2.2 and its great, would it be even better if we do the lag fixes that we are currently doing it samsung does not already implement this change?
thanks
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can anyone comment on my question? will 2.2 be more speedy just because of the great things that make 2.2 fast (jit/optimized) or will it include what ever our current lag fixes do with an ext partition/dalvic?
so say we get 2.2 and its great, would it be even better if we do the lag fixes that we are currently doing it samsung does not already implement this change?
thanks
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yes 2.2 it that big of a difference. Jit realy speeds up the phone. I can't wait. I still though have no lag without a lag fix. I got a n1 with froyo and the sgs is just as quick CPU wise without it.
Be patient and just wait........lol
That's because Quadrant score is biased by the "lag fix". If my understanding of the lag fix is correct, it creates and ext2 FS on top of the existing one, acting, in a sense, like a buffer. It may help you fool the quadrant score with writes and may improve a little if you are invoking the same app multiple times, but all that at the expense of losing journaling, a very important feature in a portable device.
I've noticed the same issues -- fast quadrant, still laggy -- and so I basically disregard all mentions of "quadrant" in the forums. That said, the One Click Lag Fix is still a huge improvement over stock, but not perfect.
For my phone, I've reverted back to the METHOD #1 fix mentioned in this thread -- basically moving the /data storage into RAM. While it's not perfect (mainly due to the small app storage space), it is *very* quick and remains quick. It's also relatively easy to apply using Busybox and a Terminal Emulator.
Hope that helps.
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yes 2.2 it that big of a difference. Jit realy speeds up the phone. I can't wait. I still though have no lag without a lag fix. I got a n1 with froyo and the sgs is just as quick CPU wise without it.
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i realize that 2.2 is a big improvement (i had it running on mytouch). what I am asking is:
regarding the lag fixes that we do now, I am wondering if that issue will be addressed when we get 2.2? or if that it will be faster because of jit and other things, and the problems that are causing lag (not using dalvic) will still need to be addressed?
I believe Samsung need to address the lag issue with a seperate firmware update to change the file system. I just hope and pray they will do it I can only imagine how fast the phone would be with a more modern file system given its performance on RFS!
kboater said:
i have no idea, I read some things that said these lag fixes show higher numbers, but are not actually faster. that is just what I read, I have not applied any.
but do have a question kind of related so not trying to thread jack.
I am under the impression that the lag fixes make the phone use dalvic (which is faster then how ever samsung had it set up) (i obviously dont completely understand the technical details of the lag fixes). When we get 2.2, either from samsung or developers, will it be faster because 2.2 is more optimized and using jit AND will they use what ever these lag fixes implement?
in other words, 2.2 will make the phone faster and partly due to jit, but will we still have to do these fixes to make the phone use dalvic (instead of what ever samsung did) to make it as fast as it should be, or will 2.2 make that change also?
not trying to thread jack, if this needs its own thread, please let me know and I apoligize, just though i would post as its related.
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Well the differences for me is my 3G speed from 200K-400K has change to 2Mbps-4Mbps, and I am happy. Thanks to the hard work of RyanZA's One Click Lag Fix.
nguyenmd said:
Well the differences for me is my 3G speed from 200K-400K has change to 2Mbps-4Mbps, and I am happy. Thanks to the hard work of RyanZA's One Click Lag Fix.
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Wow. I was not aware that the lag fix would change data speeds THAT much. can anyone else confirm results like that?
[POLL] Which gsm hero rom is CURRENTLY running on your phone?
Choose one and we'll see what's going on in the world of our little gsm heros.
I don't see a poll like this for gsm hero - certainly nothing with current roms.
Good idea for a poll! I too would like to know what is happening with our little Hero(s).
thanks
I decided to limit to only one answer, what's running right now, since many of us nandroid and flash regularly we could end up with the 5 or 6 most obvious answers all being voted for by everyone. to me that's just silly.
at least this is scientific: if not absolutely indicative of everyone's favorite rom, at least it's indicative of the current choice.
Could be used for a trend chart if in the future we do the same poll again and compare results.
a.t.m. running:
- 2.3 gingerbread - cronos
Working good, happy Gingerbread user
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a.t.m. running:
- 2.3 gingerbread - cronos
Working good, happy Gingerbread user
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Dito, and voted as such
note: I kept results anonymous (hopefully) so if you wish to keep your status private you can still vote.
happy to see people posting openly though of course
wow hahaha reload first page of gsm hero development forum and every rom thread's most recent post is my link to this poll.
I wanted to be fair so tried to post the link for every rom that is getting current thread discussion.
but no posts there after my posts, even after 15 minutes or so - I suppose everyone's here voting.
pretty much the results I expected aside from the mass of gb users!
surprising about rcmix and tegro - I know of some users of those roms currently.
wow - you VR12 guys - you could consider backing up (using nandroid) and trying out RCmix or tegro. they're both much newer versions of sense roms that are quicker in some ways and also offer newer nicer features (newer widgets and other good things). but good that you're happy with vr12 still
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dkelley said:
wow - you VR12 guys - you could consider backing up (using nandroid) and trying out RCmix or tegro. they're both much newer versions of sense roms that are quicker in some ways and also offer newer nicer features (newer widgets and other good things). but good that you're happy with vr12 still
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Hey dkelley, long time no speak (again)
Interesting you mentioned VR12... I have been looking into security of the Android platform, and I would strongly recommend people move off Sense-based ROMs, and onto a Froyo custom ROM for now...
I am not at liberty to give details of the exploit (and I don't have full details), given most non-custom ROM devices will sit for the rest of their lives, vulnerable to this, but I understand that the 2.1 ROMs have some pretty serious security holes in the browser system, which appear to be better in the last set of sources I pulled from CM on the froyo tree (for FroydVillain 1.7.x)
So while it's interesting to see people still using VR12, I would suggest everyone on a Sense-based ROM moves to a "proper" 2.2 vanilla ROM. I don't think a Sense UI 2.2 ROM would be safe, so I'd discourage those too. It appears you need something CM based, and pretty recent.
As such, I would urge anyone using older CM-based ROMs (say from before November or October) to upgrade if they are concerned about security while surfing the internet. HTC don't seem to be interested in fixing the vulnerability, but I checked FV 1.7 and it is not vulnerable to this one attack.
If you support the idea of HTC being pressed into updating their phones (remember that EVERY user of the Hero, who isn't on a custom ROM, is vulnerable to any security exploits, which will not be fixed unless they do an update), then check out http://bit.ly/fDGHPV, where I am trying to get some support together before I contact HTC and mobile carriers.
PS Don, I seem to have derailed this a bit... Figured it was perhaps best to post this in here, since there's no point in making a new thread that we want to get many people to do, and you already did the "donkey work" so to speak. If this derails the thread, I'll sweep it out into another thread if you want
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If you support the idea of HTC being pressed into updating their phones (remember that EVERY user of the Hero, who isn't on a custom ROM, is vulnerable to any security exploits, which will not be fixed unless they do an update), then check out http://bit.ly/fDGHPV, where I am trying to get some support together before I contact HTC and mobile carriers.
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Hi....
Do you have any CVE references ?
http://cve.mitre.org/
This is just a blog with without any CVE-refs as I can see.....
http://thomascannon.net/blog/2010/11/android-data-stealing-vulnerability/
Hey Pulser
surprised you didn't send me a warning for spamming the same post linking to this thread in like a dozen gsm hero threads within 5 minutes yesterday LoL
Interesting, and a little scary, what you're saying.
But being the scientific (and slightly cynical) type I tend not to believe anything without either proof or at least further information.
I'll read up on it some - but can you summarize the possible type of damage? such as gathering of private data by parties who know about the exploit? or damage to the phone via intentional cause (again by parties in the know)? or what
dkelley said:
Hey Pulser
surprised you didn't send me a warning for spamming the same post linking to this thread in like a dozen gsm hero threads within 5 minutes yesterday LoL
Interesting, and a little scary, what you're saying.
But being the scientific (and slightly cynical) type I tend not to believe anything without either proof or at least further information.
I'll read up on it some - but can you summarize the possible type of damage? such as gathering of private data by parties who know about the exploit? or damage to the phone via intentional cause (again by parties in the know)? or what
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I went back to Cronosproject 1.7.2 from gb beta 6. Even the massive headway they made thus far has been awesome with Fee and Ele together I can't see how it can be made as good as 1.7.2. Its way behind on performance and hogs memory with the minimum system and regular apps installed. The battery seems awesome but not much in there to use it. I'll wait till full release or stick with this rom. I can have a desire on wife's upgrade but I fancy something more now.desire is very quick.
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spikey68 said:
I went back to Cronosproject 1.7.2 from gb beta 6. Even the massive headway they made thus far has been awesome with Fee and Ele together I can't see how it can be made as good as 1.7.2. Its way behind on performance and hogs memory with the minimum system and regular apps installed. The battery seems awesome but not much in there to use it. I'll wait till full release or stick with this rom. I can have a desire on wife's upgrade but I fancy something more now.desire is very quick.
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agreed but give it time, and disagreed about "hogs memory": using the available memory like crazy is done to speed up performance, it's not hogging anything in a bad way. when something else requests memory that memory is freed up.
gb's memory manager is years ahead of it's predecessors
but yea, it will take a while.
Note - it's at 0.0.7 now and has everything working except camera which they're working on. performance is always improving, all sensors work now, and it's pretty amazing.
I just need a more stable build for now dude. Grafix and app issues made me revert. I'm sure with input on Cronus now they will make it much better. They need to get used to each others methods of building. I love it on there and not many will give it the dedication that Feeyo puts in. Ele is not dissimilar so expect great things. The futures bright
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I just need a more stable build for now dude. Grafix and app issues made me revert. I'm sure with input on Cronus now they will make it much better. They need to get used to each others methods of building. I love it on there and not many will give it the dedication that Feeyo puts in. Ele is not dissimilar so expect great things. The futures bright
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agreed. was just correcting you about the memory hogging thing since it's a good thing not a bad thing.
edit: well, not agreed about stability LoL. sorry I keep doing that . I'm running it and have for days and it's super stable. gui speed has improved a ton now too. you wouldn't know you were in such a new rom if you tried it on my phone cuz I disabled the animatinos etc very carefully in various settings places and use LP and so on.
BUT for me the fastest rom is still cronos eclair lite - it's gui, with LP, is noticeably faster than with other roms. If only it wasn't 2.1 based (with it's EXCEPTIONALLY slow and crappy applications manager and so on).
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agreed. was just correcting you about the memory hogging thing since it's a good thing not a bad thing.
edit: well, not agreed about stability LoL. sorry I keep doing that . I'm running it and have for days and it's super stable. gui speed has improved a ton now too. you wouldn't know you were in such a new rom if you tried it on my phone cuz I disabled the animatinos etc very carefully in various settings places and use LP and so on.
BUT for me the fastest rom is still cronos eclair lite - it's gui, with LP, is noticeably faster than with other roms. If only it wasn't 2.1 based (with it's EXCEPTIONALLY slow and crappy applications manager and so on).
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I just had fc's with too many things. Neo, quad, then regular apps and no market. With minimal apps it was slowing right down. I figured that no matter how good the memory allocation manager if you don't have the physical memory the manager can't work right. I'll wait. Do you have basics like market working?
I never had any kind of lag with 1.7.2. The GUI is awesome. It benches close to the desire.
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I just had fc's with too many things. Neo, quad, then regular apps and no market. With minimal apps it was slowing right down. I figured that no matter how good the memory allocation manager if you don't have the physical memory the manager can't work right. I'll wait. Do you have basics like market working?
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everything's workign perfectly, no FCs, market's been fine for several versions now for most of us. everything except camera apps and certain specific graphics apps work great now.
neocore's broken, doesn't matter of course, same with quad, it's not relevant to anything. They're apps designed for certain operating system versions and hardware and the hero running gb doesn't fit the bill. those are are irrelevant apps that can be dismissed.
I play lots of games and they're working just great. all productivity and utility apps are great.
audio and multimedia stuff are fine too. not really sure where you were getting FCs but it sounds like it needed a new wipe and reflash possibly.
but then there's that strange thing were not every rom works on everyone's hero - I'll never know why, but I swear it's true
apps2sd and so on are working now (with a patch from elelinux). there's something that's slowing down the gui and animations still, and I accidentally had my gb phone running super fast in those areas when my app2sd flash borked. So I know a solution is possible to that last little bit of performance...
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everything's workign perfectly, no FCs, market's been fine for several versions now for most of us. everything except camera apps and certain specific graphics apps work great now.
neocore's broken, doesn't matter of course, same with quad, it's not relevant to anything. They're apps designed for certain operating system versions and hardware and the hero running gb doesn't fit the bill. those are are irrelevant apps that can be dismissed.
I play lots of games and they're working just great. all productivity and utility apps are great.
audio and multimedia stuff are fine too. not really sure where you were getting FCs but it sounds like it needed a new wipe and reflash possibly.
but then there's that strange thing were not every rom works on everyone's hero - I'll never know why, but I swear it's true
apps2sd and so on are working now (with a patch from elelinux). there's something that's slowing down the gui and animations still, and I accidentally had my gb phone running super fast in those areas when my app2sd flash borked. So I know a solution is possible to that last little bit of performance...
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Weird dude. I haven't had time to go through the thread but I will now and go again. I could swear I full factory reset and wiped everything.
I had a long week with kids but thanks, I wondered why it was so bad.... but it wasn't! And no mention of my probs!
Taxi for spike...
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spikey68 said:
Weird dude. I haven't had time to go through the thread but I will now and go again. I could swear I full factory reset and wiped everything.
I had a long week with kids but thanks, I wondered why it was so bad.... but it wasn't! And no mention of my probs!
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haha - well hopefully it'll work better for you now than it did before. you will find slow gui screen animations at times though so it's worth disabling all of that and using launcherpro (if you can find launcherpro anywhere considering fede's rather frustrating emergency issue at the moment).
My launcher pro plus backup will work wont it?
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Just out of interest as there seems to be a difference of opinion on this.
I find CM7 faster, even when not overclocked.
90% of the vote for CM7 is about what I was expecting.
Can't understand why some people seem to prefer the stock rom.
Because stuff like this is subjective. That apart, few cant live without HTC Sense.
Not when it comes to performance/speed (which is the point of this poll) .
A benchmarking app would show a performance increase after flashing CM7.
Definitely CM7........ my keyboard finally works the way it should
I already had this argument with someone else, so not going to go over it again. But, I'll just state the main point I want to make: Synthetic benchmarks are NOT an indicator of real world performance.
And what will happen if it is proved that cm7 has more performance benchmark than stock. Nothing..... And it is not just the performance but also about features.
Just be happier that wildfire got rooted after ages. The waiting is good bcoz it even got s-off. Thanks to alpharevX again.
And thanks for comparing it with stock rom alone.
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Before root = root root root
After root. = stock stock stock
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3xeno said:
I already had this argument with someone else, so not going to go over it again. But, I'll just state the main point I want to make: Synthetic benchmarks are NOT an indicator of real world performance.
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Er, wasn't looking for an argument, just trying to gauge the general opinion on whether people find their wildfire faster after flashing cm7.
And yes, I'm aware benchmarking isn't 100% accurate, that's why I started the poll.
Not to prove anything, just to get a consensus.
Guys, please, when you say CM7 is better at performance, can anyone with CM7 confirm to run google maps properly ? They run like sh*t on my device. On froyo they were 100% responsive and fast, now they are unusable.
Btw my observations so far, the rom is far from faster, it is just overhyped rom and people vote its faster, because they read everywhere its faster. My opinion. Maybe on more hw capable devices it is indeed faster.
Don't get me wrong, it's very good looking and seems optimized with tons of tweaks and settings, but i prefer rather 100% performance over tweaks...
In fact, the stock rom is much faster in certain situations. (ie google maps, homescreen scrolling)
But the google maps may be some other problem than the rom.
The homescreen scrolling isn't dependant as much on the ROM as it is on the launcher...
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Guys, please, when you say CM7 is better at performance, can anyone with CM7 confirm to run google maps properly ? They run like sh*t on my device. On froyo they were 100% responsive and fast, now they are unusable.
Btw my observations so far, the rom is far from faster, it is just overhyped rom and people vote its faster, because they read everywhere its faster. My opinion. Maybe on more hw capable devices it is indeed faster.
Don't get me wrong, it's very good looking and seems optimized with tons of tweaks and settings, but i prefer rather 100% performance over tweaks...
In fact, the stock rom is much faster in certain situations. (ie google maps, homescreen scrolling)
But the google maps may be some other problem than the rom.
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Just go to settings>ADWlauncher>screen preferences>desktop scrolling speed
I did that.... I've went through all setings. I didin't mean faster as "faster" lol.
Maybe its the launcher (probably), anyway my point was it's not "way faster" than Froyo. At least on Wildfire.
as for me, CM is much more responsible and customisable, so you can configure it, to be much faster. I remember my first opinion after installing it "omg, stock rom sucks..." and I still think like that. I haven't tried gmaps though
I've been working with the phone a lot and I must admit my initial judgement was seriously flawed. The first thing I tried was google maps and together with not so well tweaked system / gui resulted in my downed mood. Now I'm starting to share your opinion.
I use 'Angry Birds' as a benchmarking app ...... before CM7 I could barely play the thing on Froyo (HTC stock ROM).... the birds were 'thrown' way too slowly (I don't really know if you guys get the picture)..... and don't even get me started on the keyboard..... it's sublime!!!!!!!! I can finally text at a normal human being's pace instead of waiting half a lifetime for a character to appear on my screen!!!!! (Ok maybe I am being a bit overdramatic.... still it's true)!!
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I use 'Angry Birds' as a benchmarking app ...... before CM7 I could barely play the thing on Froyo (HTC stock ROM).... the birds were 'thrown' way too slowly (I don't really know if you guys get the picture)
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I get your drift mate.
My benchmarking app is copilot.
With the stock rom it was so slow it was barely usable.
With CM7, it flys along and works as well as any Tomtom device I've used.
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1.Upgrade MIUI to 1.8.12 (130811). No FC anymore! And the internal 2GB mass storage is accessible! This version is great! Unless DO NOT USE BUILD-IN BACKUP, or all your sd-card apps will be unaccessible! (stockwell is working on this)
2.Since I'm kinda like MIUI, and this job is really time consuming, I decided that I'll only update MIUI in the future.
3.Include all the historical data of MIUI in this release, so that you can see MIUI is really improving!
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1.Upgrade MIUI to 1.8.5 (070811). Sometimes I found FC quit frequently. Still testing...
2.Upgrade Oxygen to 110805. System benchmark improved!
3.Battery not tested due to time shortage. And I still don't know how to test hardware video acceleration. May anyone help?
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1.Upgrade MIUI to 1.7.29 (010811). This ROM fixed the FC problem due to wrong build.prop. The performance looks same.
2.Change the test method of battery. I turn on the phone, turn of WIFI/BT/GPS/APN, and wait for 8 hours (during the night). In the next morning, I record the battery level left. I haven't test HW stock ROM yet. So far, MIUI is better!
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Upgrade MIUI to 1.7.29 (310711). This ROM is GREAT! It not only fixed the bugs (video recording, audio recording, etc), but also improved the performance dramatically! The benchmark of MIUI now is even higher than Oxygen! I think that's due to the latest Android 2.3.5.
But the only problem for MIUI now, is that there are toooooo many FC!
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1.Update battery power consumption, according to Katu2006's opinion and test result. Thanks mate!
2.Upgrade Oxygen to version 110730. It fixed the 720p video recording, and the benchmark seems even better!
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Hi guys!
I just transferred to HW U8800 from SE X1 (WM). Since I've made an X1-ROM benchmark and it was pretty useful for some friends there, I think probably I can do the same thing here as well. So, that's why I make my first post of this.
I'd like to thank the cooks that contributed so much for our U8800. Without your guys, my U8800 is just an ordinary phone.
I'm just using my U8800 for 2 weeks, and still learning Android system. So, if you have any suggestions, please don't hesitate to let me know.
Finally, I'm not a cook or expert on this. Definitely I might make some mistakes, and that means NO offense to any cooks or personnals. I just want to contribute some efforts to someone might in need. I also want to use this for the decision of my U8800 ROM.
Cheers!
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Hi guys!
I just transferred to HW U8800 from SE X1 (WM). Since I've made an X1-ROM benchmark and it was pretty useful for some friends there, I think probably I can do the same thing here as well. So, that's why I make my first post of this.
I'd like to thank the cooks that contributed so much for our U8800. Without your guys, my U8800 is just an ordinary phone.
I'm just using my U8800 for 2 weeks, and still learning Android system. So, if you have any suggestions, please don't hesitate to let me know.
Finally, I'm not a cook or expert on this. Definitely I might make some mistakes, and that means NO offense to any cooks or personnals. I just want to contribute some efforts to someone might in need. I also want to use this for the decision of my U8800 ROM.
Cheers!
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That's cool to keep a sheet with current roms performance level and stage of usability.
I would want you to continue working on updating as it's hard for some to keep track which rom is up to date and which rom is fastest
It's good to know that my work is useful. I'll try my best. But it's very time consuming, as you can imagine...
Anyway, thanks!
very good really. i saw that you didnt test the battery life, but you cant say nothing about this?
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very good really. i saw that you didnt test the battery life, but you cant say nothing about this?
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You are right. Battery life (or power consumption) is very important. But I have to find a proper way to do the test! You know, just let the phone wait for a whole day and night is not a effective way (and I myself have to use the phone!). Is there any suggestions?
something like normal use, if you have another phone to use, you can think about a test like 30 sms to your self or another number, 3 or 4 benchs let the music player work during 2 hours and one or 2 youtube movies and the rest left it alone to see how is his behavious on idle
I've been playing gameloft's Dungeon Hunter for a few days now and noticed that it practically sucks the juice out of the phone. So maybe use that game, or one similar? You could monitor battery consumption AND performance. And, it's also entertaining!
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Aaaaaaaaand...
And you could run the game while keeping wifi and bluetooth on with max brightness ^^
Ok, I've been testing ALL versions of Roms available at this point and I can tell you that playing a game is not a relevant test, as everybody is interested in power draining during normal daily usage, with Wifi and BT all all the time, 1-2 calls/day, 2 email accounts with push and some browsing (weather/news etc).
What you should do is install each Rom and use it with all options mentioned always on and measure the time it takes to fully discharge.
I've done multiple tests, on B160/B137/Miui/Oxygen etc With all options mentioned above, I NEVER got more than 24h with stock Roms, to be frankly honest, NO FROYO based rom stock/custom has ever gone over the 24h mark for me.
Both Miui and Oxygen have absolutely amazing power drain, over night I lost like 7% of the battery and with everything mention always on, I get at least 40h.
You should correct the statement with the power drain, as Miui and Oxygen have MUCH better power drain if not twice as better compared to stock Roms.
Another thing you got wrong is the hardware acceleration, which is available in Oxygen.
At this point in time, there is nothing better than Oxygen and thank God that is available, cause the Froyo Roms are terrible, especially in terms of power consumption.
I think you are not able to refresh it that fast,because Oxygen is updating every day recently
vlc_marcos said:
something like normal use, if you have another phone to use, you can think about a test like 30 sms to your self or another number, 3 or 4 benchs let the music player work during 2 hours and one or 2 youtube movies and the rest left it alone to see how is his behavious on idle
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OIC. I think I need to find a more effective way. Is there any battery lasting benchmark software?
Vk_ said:
I've been playing gameloft's Dungeon Hunter for a few days now and noticed that it practically sucks the juice out of the phone. So maybe use that game, or one similar? You could monitor battery consumption AND performance. And, it's also entertaining!
Sent from my u8800 using XDA Premium App
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Thanks for you advice. I'll try that game!
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Ok, I've been testing ALL versions of Roms available at this point and I can tell you that playing a game is not a relevant test, as everybody is interested in power draining during normal daily usage, with Wifi and BT all all the time, 1-2 calls/day, 2 email accounts with push and some browsing (weather/news etc).
What you should do is install each Rom and use it with all options mentioned always on and measure the time it takes to fully discharge.
I've done multiple tests, on B160/B137/Miui/Oxygen etc With all options mentioned above, I NEVER got more than 24h with stock Roms, to be frankly honest, NO FROYO based rom stock/custom has ever gone over the 24h mark for me.
Both Miui and Oxygen have absolutely amazing power drain, over night I lost like 7% of the battery and with everything mention always on, I get at least 40h.
You should correct the statement with the power drain, as Miui and Oxygen have MUCH better power drain if not twice as better compared to stock Roms.
Another thing you got wrong is the hardware acceleration, which is available in Oxygen.
At this point in time, there is nothing better than Oxygen and thank God that is available, cause the Froyo Roms are terrible, especially in terms of power consumption.
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THANKS MATE!
It's good to know that someone is also testing the ROMs, and can share some of the experiences. I think the hardest thing for me is the battery test. I've revised the result, according to your opinion.
And about hardware video acceleration, when I use Mobo player, it seems always very laggy, no matter which ROM I use. So, how to prove that the hardware acceleration is on?
jiangheng90 said:
I think you are not able to refresh it that fast,because Oxygen is updating every day recently
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I do believe that cooking a ROM is much complex and time consuming than testing one.
Your work is excellent! Thanks !
Escellent overview China_1. Thank you!!
great work m8
ps: I have a doubt, did you put the cpu freq at 800mhz? because both (miui and oxygen) has the cpu at 1ghz per default.
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THANKS MATE!
It's good to know that someone is also testing the ROMs, and can share some of the experiences. I think the hardest thing for me is the battery test. I've revised the result, according to your opinion.
And about hardware video acceleration, when I use Mobo player, it seems always very laggy, no matter which ROM I use. So, how to prove that the hardware acceleration is on?
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It's hard to tell when GPU is used and when it's not, but in my view, actionscripts (which are used when GPU is not required/unavailable) are sometimes as fast as GPU in rendering simple things.
I may be wrong here, but this is just my understanding...
The best way to tell if GPU is active is by measuring the frames/sec...on action scripts you usually get lower FPS...That's why in testing Quadrant, you get much more points in 3D rendering tests, when having hardware acceleration active.
If you search on the market for "OpenGL Test" or "OpenGL Frame Rate Test", these should test the GPU specifically.
There is an example here:
http://www.yeahbutisitflash.com/?p=2447
d3xtr0 said:
great work m8
ps: I have a doubt, did you put the cpu freq at 800mhz? because both (miui and oxygen) has the cpu at 1ghz per default.
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Nope. I just used the default CPU setting. So, this might be a reason why Oxygen has such a high CPU score.
katu2006 said:
It's hard to tell when GPU is used and when it's not, but in my view, actionscripts (which are used when GPU is not required/unavailable) are sometimes as fast as GPU in rendering simple things.
I may be wrong here, but this is just my understanding...
The best way to tell if GPU is active is by measuring the frames/sec...on action scripts you usually get lower FPS...That's why in testing Quadrant, you get much more points in 3D rendering tests, when having hardware acceleration active.
If you search on the market for "OpenGL Test" or "OpenGL Frame Rate Test", these should test the GPU specifically.
There is an example here:
http://www.yeahbutisitflash.com/?p=2447
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I know basically what GPU and hardware acceleration means. And, to turn on hardware acceleration, you need the support of: 1. hardware; 2. O/S and driver; 3. software application. So, to prove that a certain ROM is h/w acceleration supported and measure the performance, we need to find a compatible software.
And, there are usually two kinds of h/w acceleration: 3D animation, and HD video.
U8800's GPU is Adreno 205, shoud be very good at 3D. But the performance is not that good. I think we need more optimization of the O/S and drivers.
Hi all,
First post as just registered here but XDA seems to be the best place for this subject by far.
Should I root and unlock, install kernel, overclock etc?
I use it for:
-Emails (Business & personal)
-Web browsing (a lot)
-Some games (but simple ones)
-Viewing and editing (slightly) Images.
-Google Analytics/Ads/Drive
-CRM database etc
In addition to the above question, I want to now if overclocking to 1.4, 1.5 or 1.6 ghz or install would make the N7 smoother and faster for these general things? I wont be 'gaming' or doing anything massively graphics or processor intensive (I dont think?)
iAmlearning said:
Hi all,
First post as just registered here but XDA seems to be the best place for this subject by far.
Should I root and unlock, install kernel, overclock etc?
I use it for:
-Emails (Business & personal)
-Web browsing (a lot)
-Some games (but simple ones)
-Viewing and editing (slightly) Images.
-Google Analytics/Ads/Drive
-CRM database etc
In addition to the above question, I want to now if overclocking to 1.4, 1.5 or 1.6 ghz or install would make the N7 smoother and faster for these general things? I wont be 'gaming' or doing anything massively graphics or processor intensive (I dont think?)
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Based on your uses I'd leave it stock...you could however install a custom kernel and squeeze some more battery life out of it.
Risk and Difficulty?
Culex316 said:
Based on your uses I'd leave it stock...you could however install a custom kernel and squeeze some more battery life out of it.
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Ok thanks, I have thought about battery life however I am willing to sacrifice a little battery for more speed. Do you think you'd notice the difference? In terms of smoothness and speed on general activities? Also one BIG question(s), how hard it is and how risky is it to root from Mac? Whats the likelihood of me ruining my device, for good? Are we saying 1 in 1000 or for a rookie like me a toss of a coin?
I have watched a few videos and find it pretty amazing what you can do to a phone or tablet. Especially by yourself.
iAmlearning said:
Hi all,
First post as just registered here but XDA seems to be the best place for this subject by far.
Should I root and unlock, install kernel, overclock etc?
I use it for:
-Emails (Business & personal)
-Web browsing (a lot)
-Some games (but simple ones)
-Viewing and editing (slightly) Images.
-Google Analytics/Ads/Drive
-CRM database etc
In addition to the above question, I want to now if overclocking to 1.4, 1.5 or 1.6 ghz or install would make the N7 smoother and faster for these general things? I wont be 'gaming' or doing anything massively graphics or processor intensive (I dont think?)
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Hi, iAmlearning...
Based on your needs... I would say... stay stock, but root...
You can then run apps like Titanium (always useful for backing up those Temple Run 2 high scores.. or running AdAway (for getting rid of those pesky, annoying ads that seem to crop up just about everywhere...)
As far as risk is concerned... well, it's not really quantifiable... there is ALWAYS the possibility you might hard-brick the thing... but then, you might drop it on the kitchen floor tomorrow!
I'd be a liar if I said the Nexus 7 was 'unbrickable' ... it is eminently 'brickable'! But it's actually kind of hard to do! And if you follow many of the excellent instructions here on XDA, you should be OK. (Actually, rooting is a piece of cake - people make too much of it.)
Finally... rooting involves unlocking the BOOTLOADER... which WIPES the device and performs a FACTORY RESET... so I would suggest it might be done sooner rather than later... before you build up a lot of content on it (not that it can't be backed up elsewhere beforehand).
Once you have root, you can then think about custom ROMs and kernels much later.
But root is you're gateway.
Rgrds,
Ged.
iAmlearning said:
Hi all,
First post as just registered here but XDA seems to be the best place for this subject by far.
Should I root and unlock, install kernel, overclock etc?
I use it for:
-Emails (Business & personal)
-Web browsing (a lot)
-Some games (but simple ones)
-Viewing and editing (slightly) Images.
-Google Analytics/Ads/Drive
-CRM database etc
In addition to the above question, I want to now if overclocking to 1.4, 1.5 or 1.6 ghz or install would make the N7 smoother and faster for these general things? I wont be 'gaming' or doing anything massively graphics or processor intensive (I dont think?)
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Doesn't sound like you really need to root. If you get sick of the interface or whatever you can always install a launcher like Nova Prime and play around with it. The things you can do without being rooted is pretty amazing.
Overclocking it to 1.4 Ghz won't make a huge difference, but overclocking to 1.8 Ghz will. It will also drain your battery a lot faster - something to think about. I'm one of the under clockers to preserve battery.
One further question?
ynrozturk said:
Doesn't sound like you really need to root. If you get sick of the interface or whatever you can always install a launcher like Nova Prime and play around with it. The things you can do without being rooted is pretty amazing.
Overclocking it to 1.4 Ghz won't make a huge difference, but overclocking to 1.8 Ghz will. It will also drain your battery a lot faster - something to think about. I'm one of the under clockers to preserve battery.
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You have probably answered my question, I am a bit scared to overclock past 1.4 or 1.5 due to the heat and me not really knowing what I am doing and as the battery life is fairly important I might just leave as stock.
However like a few people advise I may try to give the rooting a go.... or maybe find a cheap used tablet or handset and try it on that first?
Would be great to get rid of the adverts.
Question - I have heard that some of these customer ROM's take away the unnecessary junk from the OS and make things smoother and faster? Would this be more worthwhile than overclocking if I were to do just one? Also any ROM's for this purpose that people recommend?
Thans again everyone
Well because the device is a Nexus device, it comes very clean as default. Not really any junk on the device to slow it down, even though that "junk" is relative. For example, I live in Europe and Google Play Music does not work over here, so I've disabled it. I've also disabled Google Currents, and any other built in apps that I simply do not use. Now it's like those apps are not even on my device - they are just dead.
If we were talking about a Samsung tablet, then yes I would say root it. Because rooting would allow you to get rid of Samsung's Touchwiz interface, which can be a bit of a RAM hog. But the Nexus 7 doesn't have such a problem, it's already stock and very smooth.
I can tell that you're very interested in this stuff and you will most probably root in the near future. However, my advice to you would be to just use and enjoy the device as it is right now, but in the mean time just read about how to unlock bootloaders, rooting, custom ROM's.. read as much as you can. You'll get more familiar with the process and the terminology, and it will be a big help when it comes time to root two months down the line.
One custom ROM I can recommend is Paranoid Android. Truthfully, it's the only one I can recommend because its the only one I've flashed. I like it, but does it make a huge difference from stock in terms of speed? Not really. It has a load of other cool features, though.
If all you're interested in is battery life and performance, rooting and a custom kernel would suffice. However for what you say you'll be using it for, not really needed. The nexus line is super simple to root and play around on though. It all sounds way more complicated than it really is.
Sent from my Paranoid 3.0 Nexus7 running M-Kernel mr1
ynrozturk said:
Well because the device is a Nexus device, it comes very clean as default. Not really any junk on the device to slow it down, even though that "junk" is relative. For example, I live in Europe and Google Play Music does not work over here, so I've disabled it. I've also disabled Google Currents, and any other built in apps that I simply do not use. Now it's like those apps are not even on my device - they are just dead.
If we were talking about a Samsung tablet, then yes I would say root it. Because rooting would allow you to get rid of Samsung's Touchwiz interface, which can be a bit of a RAM hog. But the Nexus 7 doesn't have such a problem, it's already stock and very smooth.
I can tell that you're very interested in this stuff and you will most probably root in the near future. However, my advice to you would be to just use and enjoy the device as it is right now, but in the mean time just read about how to unlock bootloaders, rooting, custom ROM's.. read as much as you can. You'll get more familiar with the process and the terminology, and it will be a big help when it comes time to root two months down the line.
One custom ROM I can recommend is Paranoid Android. Truthfully, it's the only one I can recommend because its the only one I've flashed. I like it, but does it make a huge difference from stock in terms of speed? Not really. It has a load of other cool features, though.
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Quite impressed that you can determine this, as its 100% correct. I am probably going to do this at some point, but maybe not just yet, I think I need to get comfortable with the process and research a bit more about it all. Also, I am actually very impressed with the Nexus 7 as it id and coming from an Apple iPhone 5 and iPad 3, I can safely say that I'd not go back to either after this. I used to think Apple had it all in terms of functionality and innovation, however in recent years they have almost made backwards steps.
But thanks for the response, I keep seeing the Paranoid ROM around and on signatures. So may give that a go.
iAmlearning said:
Quite impressed that you can determine this, as its 100% correct. I am probably going to do this at some point, but maybe not just yet, I think I need to get comfortable with the process and research a bit more about it all. Also, I am actually very impressed with the Nexus 7 as it id and coming from an Apple iPhone 5 and iPad 3, I can safely say that I'd not go back to either after this. I used to think Apple had it all in terms of functionality and innovation, however in recent years they have almost made backwards steps.
But thanks for the response, I keep seeing the Paranoid ROM around and on signatures. So may give that a go.
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I wouldnt root it for the uses you are indicating, BUT from your post I can already see that you eventually will. My advise is set a saturday or friday night aside and get this done sooner than later. Its just easier because this device not having an SD card will make it difficult to restore data and things that you have already done on it ( I got it two days ago and still havent rooted but am already worreid about some of the work ). The thing that usually helps me the most is youtube. Read a lot but have a good comprehensive detailed youtube video of teh rooting method you decide to follow and just follow along with the video. I have rooted 3 phones using that method and have yet to brick anything.