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HTC Hero announced!

Hi, people HTC Hero had been announced, here is a link to youtube for the HTC Hero First Look Offical Video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKTDSfbcbBU
I think there is multitouch coming, plus the homescreen has the TF3D clock widget. Cool!
HTC Hero Specification
■Android with HTC Sense
■112mm x 56.2mm x 14.35mm, 135g
■Qualcomm MSM7200A 528MHz processor
■Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE, dual-band 7.2Mbps HSPA/WCDMA
■512 ROM / 288 RAM
■3.2″ HVGA capacitive touchscreen
■5.0 megapixel camera with auto-focus
■Gravity sensor
■Digital compass
■WiFi 802.11b/g
■GPS
■Bluetooth 2.0 with EDR + A2DP
■3.5mm headphone jack
■microSD
■1350 mAh battery
■420 minutes talktime / 750 hours standby (WCDMA)

Engadget is reporting that it is said to "support Flash out of the box".
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/24/htc-hero-details-begin-leaking-from-htcs-own-website/

First Jason Ellis on Howard Stern, second there was no traffic on my way to work, third boss sends out an email saying drinks are on him tonight and now this.
What a morning.
However... this line right here:
Multi-touch and anti-fingerprint coating too. Hero arrives in Europe in July with T-Mobile and Orange, Asia later in the summer, and North America even later in 2009.
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Does this mean its for T-Mobile here in the US??

Senorkabob said:
First Jason Ellis on Howard Stern, second there was no traffic on my way to work, third boss sends out an email saying drinks are on him tonight and now this.
What a morning.
However... this line right here:
Does this mean its for T-Mobile here in the US??
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I would say yes yes yes yes.

I want this phone!!
I will get money together to buy this phone till september
Hopyfully someone can dump the image until i get a hero :-D

Anyone know of any huge differences between the G1's MSM7200A processor and the Hero's MSM7201A?

Senorkabob said:
Anyone know of any huge differences between the G1's MSM7200A processor and the Hero's MSM7201A?
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It's clock speed out of the box is 528mhz for one. I'm sure it can be pushed further even.

Well i am not too worried about the processor since both are clocked at 528 but what worries me is the rom and ram which the HERO has 512MB/288MB ROM/RAM while the G1 has 256MB/192MB ROM/RAM. This might mean that the hero we have now might be just as slow as this new version. I hope not but the ram really worries me.

This might mean that the hero we have now might be just as slow as this new version. I hope not but the ram really worries me.
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Why would you think that? I doubt HTC would push out a laggy phone.... Plus the hero we have now I doubt is the final RC.

exile20 said:
Well i am not too worried about the processor since both are clocked at 528 but what worries me is the rom and ram which the HERO has 512MB/288MB ROM/RAM while the G1 has 256MB/192MB ROM/RAM. This might mean that the hero we have now might be just as slow as this new version. I hope not but the ram really worries me.
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288 MB are enough for Rosie and the phone to work fast enough ;-)

The finished Hero looks pretty cool, as does the Sense UI interface. Can't wait for the inevitable port of the Hero's ROM to the G1

I would have to say that this is the first non physical keyboard I would consider buying. T-Mo US should have waited for Hero. Damn I would easily drop $500 for this unlocked. But I guess I will have to wait for the newest Hero port to the g1

http://www.htc.com/www/product/hero/specification.html
It says the battery has a capacity for 7 hours of heavy usage, the dream only has 5,83 hours!
Looks nice!

I want the browser right now.
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/articles/htchero.html
*drools*

maxisma said:
288 MB are enough for Rosie and the phone to work fast enough ;-)
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Sorry i meant if we want to port it onto the G1. I meant to say so. Sorry for the confusion.

Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't tell the difference between hero and magic.... the specs are identical... http://www.htc.com/www/product/magic/specification.html

Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't tell the difference between hero and magic.... the specs are identical...
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Camera seems to be only difference... and the UI.
EDIT: Oh and the processory 7201 vs 7200

no physical keyboard = no buy, but I'm desperately waiting for some hero to port this over when it gets released

Lazzzara said:
I want the browser right now.
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/articles/htchero.html
*drools*
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A bit jerky, when browsing though. HTC should have put a beefier cpu into the hero.

dwang said:
A bit jerky, when browsing though. HTC should have put a beefier cpu into the hero.
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I'm not complaining as I'll be running the firmware on my magic...

32A or 32B - is it worth a difference of 100€/140$ ???

Hello!
A.t.m. I'm planing to replace my beloved "herald" with a "magic", as it's - in my opinion - the perfect device to suit my mobile-needs!
Unfortunately i'm living in germany and therefore the only "easy-way"-available devices are the "32b"-ones, which (with some patience) are available with an castrated 192 RAM for about 220€/315$ and an (again in my opinion) annoying vodafone-branding (anyhow i could live with that).
After hours of research in international markets, i found some 32A-offers, but as a conclusion it seems as - besides a long waiting-time because of the shipping - i have to anticipate with an amount of approximately 320€/460$.
Now i really would like to know your opinions, if the 288MB RAM is worth the 100€ ? Especially regarding comfortability, usabilty and especially future "XDA-Developers"-"Custom"-ROMs-Developement?
Thanks a lot in advance for any thought and any advice that might help me out of my misery!
Regards
Makula
P.S. The "Hero" is no option, as i hate the "bend" ;-)

I bought a brand new HTC magic 32A for 235€(960PLN) here in Poland and payed 13$ for unlocking it. So, find a way how to buy a phone in Poland and it will be much cheaper.

Nice idea! any advice where to look?
Thanks in advance!

Yes if you want to put different Hero type Roms, I am disliking that I dont have the extra 100 of ram, too many issues with trying to put Hero Roms on my phone,

It isn't needed anymore since we have compcache & swap.
Also Hero ROMs are terribly fast now on 32B too.
And 32B is so much cheaper..
I wouldn't buy 32A because there are too many bugs with screen blurring for example..
32B is perfect!

maxisma said:
It isn't needed anymore since we have compcache & swap.
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Very buggy unless setup correct with the correct card. Also trashes your sd card.
maxisma said:
I wouldn't buy 32A because there are too many bugs with screen blurring for example..
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What? I've never had a blurry screen, the 32B has that issue but I don't think the 32A has. These
are all 32B phones.
If I had the extra $$ I would buy the 32A, you simply can't add RAM. You'll hate it if your always wondering if it would have run smoother, faster and better with it though. JMO.
Clinton

ClintonH said:
Very buggy unless setup correct with the correct card. Also trashes your sd card.
What? I've never had a blurry screen, the 32B has that issue but I don't think the 32A has. These
are all 32B phones.
If I had the extra $$ I would buy the 32A, you simply can't add RAM. You'll hate it if your always wondering if it would have run smoother, faster and better with it though. JMO.
Clinton
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It isn't buggy. It also doesn't trash your sdcard. It kills some blocks after a long time, so you'll see a difference in the card size after a long time, i promise, long time.
And "these" phones are MyTouch3Gs, and they're a bit different from the other 32Bs.
And really, you don't need 288 MB RAM for a phone. 192 MB are enough, I promise that.
The dream has only 192 MB RAM too, and if the ROM wasn't made in 5 minutes, it runs really fast.
I'm building my own ROMs, so you see I have some experience.
Yes, if you really want to run Hero as everyday-system, you can buy a 32A.
But personally I find the Hero UI is unefficient, slow (even on the HTC Hero) and doesn't look nice.
I think the hype arround the Hero is what it is - Hype - not more.
All the "oh-so-nice" features of the Hero can be installed from the market.
HTC Peep (btw the slowest Twitter client I ever saw, updating tweets takes 1:30 mins) - Twidroid (very fast)
Facebook - Bloo (I think that's the name)
Flickr - Just use the browser
Additionally I don't like the Hero Browser.
Flash? This version shows you annoying ads, not more. Oh I forgot - it shows YOUTUBE, woow.
Full Screen Browsing? I want to see my status bar
Optical Bookmarks? Slow and only 2 bookmarks are fitting on the screen. I have to scroll much.

maxisma said:
It isn't buggy. It also doesn't trash your sdcard. It kills some blocks after a long time, so you'll see a difference in the card size after a long time, i promise, long time.
And "these" phones are MyTouch3Gs, and they're a bit different from the other 32Bs.
And really, you don't need 288 MB RAM for a phone. 192 MB are enough, I promise that.
The dream has only 192 MB RAM too, and if the ROM wasn't made in 5 minutes, it runs really fast.
I'm building my own ROMs, so you see I have some experience.
Yes, if you really want to run Hero as everyday-system, you can buy a 32A.
But personally I find the Hero UI is unefficient, slow (even on the HTC Hero) and doesn't look nice.
I think the hype arround the Hero is what it is - Hype - not more.
All the "oh-so-nice" features of the Hero can be installed from the market.
HTC Peep (btw the slowest Twitter client I ever saw, updating tweets takes 1:30 mins) - Twidroid (very fast)
Facebook - Bloo (I think that's the name)
Flickr - Just use the browser
Additionally I don't like the Hero Browser.
Flash? This version shows you annoying ads, not more. Oh I forgot - it shows YOUTUBE, woow.
Full Screen Browsing? I want to see my status bar
Optical Bookmarks? Slow and only 2 bookmarks are fitting on the screen. I have to scroll much.
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-1
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Because:
Flash +1
Multitouch +1
People +1
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The rest agree.. -1

maxisma said:
It isn't buggy. It also doesn't trash your sdcard. It kills some blocks after a long time, so you'll see a difference in the card size after a long time, i promise, long time.
And "these" phones are MyTouch3Gs, and they're a bit different from the other 32Bs.
And really, you don't need 288 MB RAM for a phone. 192 MB are enough, I promise that.
The dream has only 192 MB RAM too, and if the ROM wasn't made in 5 minutes, it runs really fast.
I'm building my own ROMs, so you see I have some experience.
Yes, if you really want to run Hero as everyday-system, you can buy a 32A.
But personally I find the Hero UI is unefficient, slow (even on the HTC Hero) and doesn't look nice.
I think the hype arround the Hero is what it is - Hype - not more.
All the "oh-so-nice" features of the Hero can be installed from the market.
HTC Peep (btw the slowest Twitter client I ever saw, updating tweets takes 1:30 mins) - Twidroid (very fast)
Facebook - Bloo (I think that's the name)
Flickr - Just use the browser
Additionally I don't like the Hero Browser.
Flash? This version shows you annoying ads, not more. Oh I forgot - it shows YOUTUBE, woow.
Full Screen Browsing? I want to see my status bar
Optical Bookmarks? Slow and only 2 bookmarks are fitting on the screen. I have to scroll much.
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Sounds like you have hero issues. I can't help you with the opinion on the apps you mentio, I don't use them. I do like the bookmarkes widget , I can see 4 at a time. I also really like other parts of the Rom, but that's not what this thread is about.
I would still buy the 32a. It's not am upgrade after if you don't like the 32b your stuck selling or living with it. I'd rather have the extra and not ever use it than need/want it and not have it. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
Clinton

baggus said:
I bought a brand new HTC magic 32A for 235€(960PLN) here in Poland and payed 13$ for unlocking it. So, find a way how to buy a phone in Poland and it will be much cheaper.
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Wow! In Italy they are both sold at 450€!

yelo3 said:
Wow! In Italy they are both sold at 450€!
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I bought mine brand new turned on only for 2 minutes for 899 PLN it's 32a 288mb of ram version :>

ClintonH said:
Sounds like you have hero issues. I can't help you with the opinion on the apps you mentio, I don't use them. I do like the bookmarkes widget , I can see 4 at a time. I also really like other parts of the Rom, but that's not what this thread is about.
I would still buy the 32a. It's not am upgrade after if you don't like the 32b your stuck selling or living with it. I'd rather have the extra and not ever use it than need/want it and not have it. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
Clinton
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Yeah, in the Bookmarks Widget you get 4.
BTW the Widget can be replaced by a live folder you can find on the market..
This is what this thread should be about ;-)
The 32B is so much cheaper ;-)

Makula said:
Nice idea! any advice where to look?
Thanks in advance!
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Look here: http://allegro.pl/item730320841_htc_magic_nowy_prosto_od_orange.html(use google-translate). 950zl=231euro. It won't be easy thought since hardly anybody uses ebay and paypal in Poland(allegro.pl was launched before ebay.pl).

baggus said:
I bought a brand new HTC magic 32A for 235€(960PLN) here in Poland and payed 13$ for unlocking it. So, find a way how to buy a phone in Poland and it will be much cheaper.
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what site did you have it unlocked with? thanks!

maxisma said:
And really, you don't need 288 MB RAM for a phone. 192 MB are enough, I promise that.
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"You only need 640kb of memory" - Bill Gates

I have 32A and have zero problems. Matter of fact, it's alot easier to root and get ROMS on IMO. I also have the hero ROM and it was abit slow at first but after I overclocked with the overclock widget on the app store it was night and day. I love the phone now. I think I have had maybe 1 crash in over 2 months with the hero ROM I have installed. And to me, the flash web browser is the best I've seen. You get more of a desktop feel when surfing the web. Plus if you don't like it, I beleive you can turn off the flash.

shoktong said:
what site did you have it unlocked with? thanks!
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190328855196

htc dream keyboard with HTC magic?

Hmm.
I've opened my HTC Dream, but I haven't been able to get my hands on a Magic..
The ram on the Magic is 192M, yes? And 128M on the Dream? This is a *huge* difference, as it takes what... 70M or so, just to load the OS, the home screen, an applet or two, and of course the 20M for the graphics chip...
So, that's a big upgrade.
Thing is, I've heard many a time, that the Magic is basically just a Dream. If so, wouldn't HTC have provided for hooking up a hardware keyboard?
Has anyone looked at the hardware inside, to see if it is possible to take the Magic circuit board, and slap it into a Dream?
I'd *happily* buy a Magic, swap the hardware, and use the old Dream board + Magic case for a backup phone...
So, anyone looked?

BRad Barnett said:
Hmm.
I've opened my HTC Dream, but I haven't been able to get my hands on a Magic..
The ram on the Magic is 192M, yes? And 128M on the Dream? This is a *huge* difference, as it takes what... 70M or so, just to load the OS, the home screen, an applet or two, and of course the 20M for the graphics chip...
So, that's a big upgrade.
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ALL 32B devices, whether dream or magic, have 192 RAM.
Oh, and you are forgetting all the RAM that goes to the RADIO.

Are you serious???
Is there a list somewhere, of 32B Dreams?
I'm with Rogers, and I must have a 32A, since I only show 97M free via, 'free'.
Hmm.. I wonder. When I opened this unit, the whole antenna assembly was on a separate sub-board... and I think it had a chip. I wonder if I could take that off, and affix it to a 32B dream...

BRad Barnett said:
Are you serious???
Is there a list somewhere, of 32B Dreams?
I'm with Rogers, and I must have a 32A, since I only show 97M free via, 'free'.
Hmm.. I wonder. When I opened this unit, the whole antenna assembly was on a separate sub-board... and I think it had a chip. I wonder if I could take that off, and affix it to a 32B dream...
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32A has 288 MB ram.
And yes, your device, though 'free' shows only 97 MB actually has 192 MB. 'free' doesn't show the full memory, it only shows the memory that is available to the operating system. You lose a bunch to the GPU, the RADIO, the CAMERA, etc. Pretty nasty that you lose 50% of your memory to this stuff, eh?
Anyways, ALL DREAM are 32B. Some MAGIC are 32B, some are 32A. All HERO are 32A.
Edit: And no, switching boards around won't affect the RAM. The RAM is all on the mainboard.

Er.
Ok, you could have mentioned the 32A = 288M before.
Yes, the ram loss does suck. I haven't seriously looked at kernel size these days, I guess I'm still tainted from the small space that 2.0.x kernels took. So, while I realise the kernel takes space, I had hoped it was much less than that.
So, hmm. I guess the 32A must show about 96M more after boot then. That still must be quite a lot, because free does show available memory space for the home screen, widgets and so on.
Have you used a 32A before? I suspect it must seem much faster, considering it needs to swap out apps much less frequency, and can keep common stuff in ram...
That all being said, then, are there any 32A Dreams out there?
Hmm, I've just checked, and apparently my phone is a 32A (Rogers) Dream, but it only has 192M? At least, that's what it shows here, and what I'm seeing elsewhere...
Honestly, since there is nothing out there that has a keyboard, and is better than a 288M Dream... I'd like to move to that, instead of my 192M dream...
So, anyone.. ideas?

BRad Barnett said:
Have you used a 32A before? I suspect it must seem much faster, considering it needs to swap out apps much less frequency, and can keep common stuff in ram...
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It can actually be SLOWER in some cases.
The reason for this is that with fewer applications in memory, there are fewer applications eating up CPU time.
That all being said, then, are there any 32A Dreams out there?
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As I said, ALL DREAMs are 32B. No exceptions!
Hmm, I've just checked, and apparently my phone is a 32A (Rogers) Dream, but it only has 192M? At least, that's what it shows here, and what I'm seeing elsewhere...
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It is definitely a 32B, otherwise it would have 288 MB ram and would NOT have a keyboard.
Honestly, since there is nothing out there that has a keyboard, and is better than a 288M Dream... I'd like to move to that, instead of my 192M dream...
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There is NO SUCH THING.
All DREAM are 32B.
All 32B are 192MB.
I promise

Ok, so I see many posts are wrong, due to EB0/1 versus 32A/B confusion?
As for more RAM helping.. come on. Of course it will help. I could easily run some CPU intensive apps right now, too. By the logic you've stated, I should reduce the RAM on my phone from 192M to 128M! Then things would really fly! ;P Hell, by that same logic, I guess Apple is right.
We should remove multitasking from our phones!
While I appreciate your input, and your help.. as I enjoy aquiring knowledge, you've steered clear of every point but the one I'm interested in.
That being said.. back to the beginning.
I want to put a Dream keyboard on a 288M Magic. Has anyone looked, to see if HTC left space for the keyboard to connect, on the circuit board? After all, they may have at one time, been planning to use the same motherboard in a Dream V2.

all g1/dreams are 192MB
some dreams are ebi1 which means they are compatible with ROMS made for 32a MAGIC/MT3G phones
32B 2xx ram is for the 32b magic phones

Man alive!
I'll start a new thread, since this one keeps being hijacked...

lol.. of course you can't do this... the phones and the mainboards are a completely different shape. and why would a htc engineer add a keyboard header and all the supporting circuitry when laying out a mainboard for a phone that isnt going to have a keyboard? that's just a waste of space.
functionally and specification wise, a dream and a magic are basically the same. design wise, they are entirely different. like the difference between an original playstation and a psone.. its the same stuff, but in a totally different package.
See for yourself, here are the service manuals:
http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/HTC Dream SM (A04).pdf
http://phandroid.com/htc-magic-manual.pdf

Wow.. no one seems to be able to read.
I've started a NEW THREAD.. ok? Ignore this one.
(thanks for the manuals, but they won't show if there any traces / pads waiting for the keyboard header to be soldered on. As for HTC doing this? They've already done it before, with other designs. The whole industry does this.... )

BRad Barnett said:
Wow.. no one seems to be able to read.
I've started a NEW THREAD.. ok?
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Why start a new thread on the same subject? This one is fine and the board is cluttered enough.. plus nobody's going to reply to your threads if you keep up that attitude.
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thanks for the manuals, but they won't show if there any traces / pads waiting for the keyboard header to be soldered on
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You're missing my point.. Even if the magic board has a header for the keyboard (or somewhere to solder one), its no use to you cos the magic board is the wrong shape to fit in the dream housing. unless you plan to have the keyboard hanging out of the magic on a ribbon connector, you can't do anything.

<quote>You're missing my point.. Even if the magic board has a header for the keyboard (or somewhere to solder one), its no use to you cos the magic board is the wrong shape to fit in the dream housing. unless you plan to have the keyboard hanging out of the magic on a ribbon connector, you can't do anything.</quote>
There's an old adage.
"If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
So, are the pinouts/pads there? If you don't know/care, why are you posting in this thread?!
So, if anyone is actually interested, please see this thread, and post there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645968
I've unsubscribed to this thread, but of course I expect goldenarmz will have much to say still...

BRad Barnett said:
<quote>You're missing my point.. Even if the magic board has a header for the keyboard (or somewhere to solder one), its no use to you cos the magic board is the wrong shape to fit in the dream housing. unless you plan to have the keyboard hanging out of the magic on a ribbon connector, you can't do anything.</quote>
There's an old adage.
"If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
So, are the pinouts/pads there? If you don't know/care, why are you posting in this thread?!
So, if anyone is actually interested, please see this thread, and post there:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=645968
I've unsubscribed to this thread, but of course I expect goldenarmz will have much to say still...
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This is not something I would normally say on this forum.. I respect the users and try to be helpful and informative wherever possible, but... You're a twat.

goldenarmZ said:
This is not something I would normally say on this forum.. I respect the users and try to be helpful and informative wherever possible, but... You're a twat.
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You sir are absolutely spot on. Glad you said it!

BRad Barnett said:
Ok, so I see many posts are wrong, due to EB0/1 versus 32A/B confusion?
As for more RAM helping.. come on. Of course it will help. I could easily run some CPU intensive apps right now, too. By the logic you've stated, I should reduce the RAM on my phone from 192M to 128M! Then things would really fly!
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Dont put words in my mouth. That is NOT what I said.
I said that MORE PROGRAMS will use more CPU than LESS programs.
Given that MORE programs includes the SAME programs as "LESS" programs + some additional ones, you have MORE CPU being eaten. This has NOTHING to do with you running CPU intense programs. This has to do with CPU intense programs that you WERE running, but ARE NOT ANY LONGER, which are STILL tying up the CPU.
I want to put a Dream keyboard on a 288M Magic. Has anyone looked, to see if HTC left space for the keyboard to connect, on the circuit board?
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THERE IS NOT. Quit asking.
After all, they may have at one time, been planning to use the same motherboard in a Dream V2.
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No. There was never such a plan.
The plan was that the ONLY reason why dream had a keyboard to begin with is that the VIRTUAL KEYBOARD was nowhere near ready at the time of launch.

Why is 32B so unpopular!?

I have a HTC Magic 32B and i've noticed that 80% of ROMS on xda are for the 32A variant. i just wanted to know what was the major factor making this model so unpopular with developers!? thanks

Go to the G1 section. Search more, qq less.

So your saying the 32B will flash G1 ROMs? that is great news. thanks!

They're just jealous that you have an entire bra size larger than them

JoeHawkins609 said:
So your saying the 32B will flash G1 ROMs? that is great news. thanks!
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Just make sure you flash something that says it's compatible with magic/mytouch, because magics use different h/w to the dream, so if you don't WiFi wont work, can't remember what else (bluetooth?).

JoeHawkins609 said:
I have a HTC Magic 32B and i've noticed that 80% of ROMS on xda are for the 32A variant. i just wanted to know what was the major factor making this model so unpopular with developers!? thanks
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among other things they have less RAM than the 32A.
If memory serves... 32A(288Mb) vs 32B(192Mb)

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freyder said:
among other things they have less RAM than the 32A.
If memory serves... 32A(288Mb) vs 32B(192Mb)
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Yup, a third extra, but that makes them more expensive if you're buying from someone other than a carrier and 32s aren't available from carriers in all parts of the world.

freyder said:
among other things they have less RAM than the 32A.
If memory serves... 32A(288Mb) vs 32B(192Mb)
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well I have black Magic, sith SenseUI (not by Google, but by HTC, and not rooted) and it's 32A! According to all sys info apps you can find on the Market it has 192MB of user memory!

freyder said:
among other things they have less RAM than the 32A.
If memory serves... 32A(288Mb) vs 32B(192Mb)
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THATS WEIRD BECAUSE I HAVE A MT3G 32B WITH 288Mb of ram...

Knedjo said:
well I have black Magic, sith SenseUI (not by Google, but by HTC, and not rooted) and it's 32A! According to all sys info apps you can find on the Market it has 192MB of user memory!
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It probably refers to storage on the /data partition on the NAND (space available for installing apps), not RAM.
EDIT: I believe RAM is seperated in to two, x amount for the system to utilize and y amount for the Dalvik VM
No Magics that officially support Sense have less than 288MB RAM. The only device with less than 288mb and Sense UI is the HTC Tattoo (256mb).
nykei said:
THATS WEIRD BECAUSE I HAVE A MT3G 32B WITH 288Mb of ram...
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No, you don't.

AdrianK said:
It probably refers to storage on the /data partition on the NAND (space available for installing apps), not RAM.
No Magics that officially support Sense have less than 288MB RAM. The only device with less than 288mb and Sense UI is the HTC Tattoo (256mb).
No, you don't.
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wel if you're right, how can I check amount of RAM?

Knedjo said:
wel if you're right, how can I check amount of RAM?
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By booting the SPL and seeing if you've got 32B or 32A?

AdrianK said:
By booting the SPL and seeing if you've got 32B or 32A?
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well as I've wrote previously - my Magic is 32A, and I know that by booting in SPL ;-)
But I've asked you for a way to confirm memory size!
Here's what System Monitor app tells:
so, any more ideas how to cinfirm that 32A has 288MB??

Knedjo said:
well as I've wrote previously - my Magic is 32A, and I know that by booting in SPL ;-)
But I've asked you for a way to confirm memory size!
Here's what System Monitor app tells:
so, any more ideas how to cinfirm that 32A has 288MB??
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"EDIT: I believe RAM is seperated in to two, x amount for the system to utilize and y amount for the Dalvik VM"
That app is showing either the RAM designated to the system (/kernel...?) or Dalvik VM, either way it doesn't matter, if it's 32A it has 288mb - end of.

nykei said:
THATS WEIRD BECAUSE I HAVE A MT3G 32B WITH 288Mb of ram...
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I'm pretty sure he means system RAM, not storage memory for applications. The 32B (Mytouch 3G) has the gimped 192MB of system RAM, while the 32A (HTC Magic, Mytouch 1.2) has 288MB.

Knedjo said:
well as I've wrote previously - my Magic is 32A, and I know that by booting in SPL ;-)
But I've asked you for a way to confirm memory size!
Here's what System Monitor app tells:
so, any more ideas how to cinfirm that 32A has 288MB??
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The rest of the RAM will never show up in any app as it's system reserved. If you had a 32B you'd see a value of approx. 100mb of RAM there, not 200mb like you do.

Sense 3.0 + 2.3.4???

Do u think we well ever see a sense rom with gingerbread 2.3.4???

There are like 3 in the dev forum
from the mind of minolta

Infinite76 said:
There are like 3 in the dev forum
from the mind of minolta
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No those r all 2.3.3...

ls1xtreme said:
Do u think we well ever see a sense rom with gingerbread 2.3.4???
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the answer is obviously yes. sense 3 with 2.3.4 is gonna be stock on the mt4gslide so once thats leaked you best believe we will have it. granted the mt4g slide has dual core processor and 200 more ram, so it can handle a bit more, you best believe our phones can still handle it, it wont take much more to run 2.3.4 than 2.3.3 which the mt4g already handles with great speeds. so just give it a month or so before an official build leaks and we will have it.

Almost the only difference between 2.3.3 and 2.3.4 is the Google Framework.
You can just flash the latest one (which is integrated into most ROMs by now, all those supporting Gtalk video have to do it), and you'll get whatever you really need 2.3.4 for.

twilightvanquisher said:
granted the mt4g slide has dual core processor and 200 more ram, so it can handle a bit more
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Both phones have 768MB RAM.

TeeJay3800 said:
Both phones have 768MB RAM.
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no the mt4g has 626mb ram

twilightvanquisher said:
no the mt4g has 626mb ram
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No, the MT4G has 768MB. Check every online spec site. Heck even check the box the thing came in...
There's a command line you can enter in Terminal that says something about ~626, but that does not report total system RAM. I'm sure someone else can explain that better, but the MT4G does indeed have 768MB of total RAM.

TeeJay3800 said:
No, the MT4G has 768MB. Check every online spec site. Heck even check the box the thing came in...
There's a command line you can enter in Terminal that says something about ~626, but that does not report total system RAM. I'm sure someone else can explain that better, but the MT4G does indeed have 768MB of total RAM.
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He probably just didn't realize that the phone allocates a portion of the RAM out of default. I'm on CM7 and it shows 309 RAM used out of my 626 available. That's probably where he's getting that number from.

mackster248 said:
He probably just didn't realize that the phone allocates a portion of the RAM out of default. I'm on CM7 and it shows 309 RAM used out of my 626 available. That's probably where he's getting that number from.
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On all android phones you can't access all the ram, only some .
The is reserves some ram, like on windows where some ram used by system processes
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Jack_R1 said:
Almost the only difference between 2.3.3 and 2.3.4 is the Google Framework.
You can just flash the latest one (which is integrated into most ROMs by now, all those supporting Gtalk video have to do it), and you'll get whatever you really need 2.3.4 for.
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How would I flash just the frame work...i mainly want to be able to use g talk and have the pvc show right not side ways...

You can't have it showing right - because currently the Gtalk app was only built and adjusted for Nexus S, and was hacked to work on other phones. As such, it's not adjusted properly to be running on all the phones with different camera libs, and that includes Sense camera libs. Sense ROMs with 2.3.4 will cure it, if they'll have Talk app - which they might not.

Jack_R1 said:
You can't have it showing right - because currently the Gtalk app was only built and adjusted for Nexus S, and was hacked to work on other phones. As such, it's not adjusted properly to be running on all the phones with different camera libs, and that includes Sense camera libs. Sense ROMs with 2.3.4 will cure it, if they'll have Talk app - which they might not.
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Even when I had the Nexus S if your phone wasn't on stock you still had to find a work around to getting video chat to work on g-talk, then there was the issue of having it work on 3G and not just wifi.
-Remember, Android hell is a real place and you will be sent there at the first sign of defiance-