When I first bought the touch HD I was thinking how good it would be to have this phone while having wifi with the lack of 3g for tmobile in the us, but it turns out that the wifi acutally suck! I have a iPod touch 2g And the wifi works great with blazing speed. I can't seem to detect my wifi at home mean while I'm connected on my wifi with my iPod. I been very disappoint with this phone for simple fact that this phone recieves wifi poorly. Anyone can help me out with this problem would be much appreciated because despite the wifi problem I love the phone cause the 3.8 screen is so damn sexual lol.
I've no such issues!
Try to set wifi power options to performance. Also, Enabling G Mode (with SKTools is one of the ways) helps improve speed.
Thanks for the info but it might be the lack of range of my router cause I have been on my wifi with the phone before but I get disconnected frequently and most the time it doesn't even show up or detect it but I don't have that problem with the iPod. With iPod I seem to get wifi everywhere. I'm starting to believe the iPod is better might sell it and get a iPhone or maybe a hero but don't know if I'm willing to spend 600+ on another phone
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My wifi connects well to open, WEP, and WPA connections. I tried numerous access points (at least 30), even 802.11n APs in mixed g mode. It even connects to Apple Airport (802.11g). The connection is stable both on power saving and best performance, but I think I get much better speeds on average with best performance.
Its wifi range is much better than my little HP 613 smartphone, but again worse than my notebook. I get 54Mbit connection with signal quality of about 50% at 10 meters through a wall and then it automatically finds another channel on another AP. It roams (handover) APs better than some Lenovo r61 laptops around!
But I am not satisfied with its speed (even on best performance) - it finishes copying a 700MB file on a 54 Mbit connection in 30-40 minutes using total commander and saving on storage card. That means average speed is around 300-400KB/s - laptop does the same (same AP, same file, same network settings) at 1.6-1.8 MB/s in around 7 minutes.
I also noticed that saving on storage card is slighty faster than into the main memory...
I can't seem to detect my wifi at home mean while I'm connected on my wifi with my iPod.
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Hmm, are you sure that you don't compare two different situations ? Did you also try connecting to Wifi with your iPod while already being connected with your Blackstone ?
My personal experience shows me that the Touch HD seems to have a better radio than the iPhone 3G. Have you upgraded to the latest Blackstone stock ROM and radio available on the HTC website or XDA Devs ? Whether or not the radio also affects Wifi unfortunately I don't know.
Moreover, use WifiMonster to monitor the strength of the signal, it'll help you discover the best spots for using Wifi. I even receive Wifi signals from the neighbors' houses in my own house (not speaking about appartments), of course that always depends on the room !
BTW I'm pretty sure that a Hero won't solve your problem, it's the same old hardware specs as on the Blackstone.
The Wifi on my device works perfectly and i have had no issues at all with signal or quality. I have had more problems with my ipod than the HTC, are you sure its not the WIFI AP you are trying to connect to? Also are you using stock rom or custom?
I'm using the Energy ROM. I'm assume its my wifi signal its very weak and my touch hd cant seem to detect it. With my ipod i shows up and i can connect to it...will updating the radio make a difference?
I came across a startling discovery the other day regarding the Touch HD wifi. I was also having issues at home with weak wifi signal. I didn’t seem to have this problem with public access hot spots.
I have a Logitech wireless mouse connected to my computer and very rarely turn that computer off. I found that when my computer was off I would get a rock solid connection to my home wifi, but when the computer was on it would drop in and out. I narrowed it down to the wireless mouse was interfering with the Touch HD wifi connection.
I tried all different channels on my router, but as long as the Logitech mouse was plugged it I would get wifi dropouts. But as soon as I unplugged the mouse and the radio dongle, I wouldn’t have any problems with the Touch HD wifi.
I can’t comment if this is your issue, but something might be interfering in the 2.4Ghz with wifi.
Guys,
Sometimes even cordless phones, microwaves, etc will interfere with the connection.
Cheers.
As Poison Wolf correctly pointed out, other household items can interfere with the wireless frequency. Try changing the channel that's being used to transmit from your box (This will involve changing some settings on your wireless router so do some research before you fiddle around with it) I have had to do this before and can confirm it can make a massive difference.
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But I am not satisfied with its speed (even on best performance) - it finishes copying a 700MB file on a 54 Mbit connection in 30-40 minutes using total commander and saving on storage card. That means average speed is around 300-400KB/s - laptop does the same (same AP, same file, same network settings) at 1.6-1.8 MB/s in around 7 minutes.
I also noticed that saving on storage card is slighty faster than into the main memory...
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Everybody has this problem because the card seems not capable of more speed.
But it seems nearly nobody cares.
My old thread about his, no answers:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524272
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Everybody has this problem because the card seems not capable of more speed.
But it seems nearly nobody cares.
My old thread about his, no answers:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524272
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Stron,
Hmm, interesting. The only reasoning I can think of is that perhaps there's a limiting factor in order to reduce the heat or something? I don't see why they would cap the speeds.
Cheers.
What if it is capable of connecting at 54 Mbit, but can actually do only 11 Mbit? Nice trick. I hope it is just a bad idea.
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Hi there,
I have a new HD and have noticed an annoying problem, although it only happens occasionally. Sometimes opera will grind to a halt. At first I thought the problem was opera but it seems that the wifi connection is being dropped. The icon on the top banner shows that the wifi is connected but it actually isn't. If I turn wifi off and then on again it won't lock on anymore until I soft reset the device.
Is anyone else having similar problems (or ideally know of a fix).
BTW - how do I report these issues to HTC ? Their support forum doesn't seem to invite feedback !
Cheers,
David
I did have a problem with the wifi too, but after changing the power save mode from best battery to mid way solved the problem.
carl
Hope this solves it for you.
Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try.
i have some problem with my w-lan too...
it works great @ home with my linksys WRT54GL!
but at my girlfriend it nearly didnt work... it connects in 2-3 seconds and show a connection icon but there is no data transfer .. i tested all encrypting types from wep-wpa2 but nothing...
atm i dont really understand whats the problem... i will try some another thinks next time i will be there...
I had the same problem then notice my assigned IP address was .58 on the HD which was above the max number of DHCP users (WRT54G set was up to .50) on my router. So I upped the router +60 and appears to have solved the problem.
I have found that none of my HTC phones connect to my wireless with the setting on best battery, I always turn it right up to best performance and it works fine after that
hhmmm interesting @ ip issue ...
i noticed that my touch hd geht .183 and thats really high because my girlfriend has only 1 laptop and here ip is .10
i will try to activate some mac filters and set fix ip adresses to mac adresses... maybe this helps
thx so far!
ok now i tested alot but cant find the reason why w-lan dont work on the d-link router of my girlfriend but working really great on my linksys WRT54GL...
i tried all encryting types...
dynamic dhcp
static dhcp (mac-address => ip )
different ip ranges ( .10 .40 ... .200 )
also i but the touch hd energie mode to best performance...
cant really understand whats the problem... maybe someone else has found a fix?
Hi guys
I have found that the WiFi on my HD to be round very dissapointing. Read my thread here.
It only ever gord to about 50-70% when I'm standing right beside the router (power usage set to best performance). In weak wifi spots, it barely connects and immediately drops the connection. In my room at college, it refuses to work (power usage set to best performance) - whereas my laptop, my friends laptops and iPhones all work great in the same location.
Someone posted a response in my thread above that they put a really cheap WiFi chip in the phone. For me its a deal breaker. It under performs by about 40% compared to normal devices. - Crap!!!!!! (and we paid a bloddy fortune for this thing).
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Hi guys
I have found that the WiFi on my HD to be round very dissapointing. Read my thread here.
It only ever gord to about 50-70% when I'm standing right beside the router (power usage set to best performance). In weak wifi spots, it barely connects and immediately drops the connection. In my room at college, it refuses to work (power usage set to best performance) - whereas my laptop, my friends laptops and iPhones all work great in the same location.
Someone posted a response in my thread above that they put a really cheap WiFi chip in the phone. For me its a deal breaker. It under performs by about 40% compared to normal devices. - Crap!!!!!! (and we paid a bloddy fortune for this thing).
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your device is clearly defective. i can browse without problem/conneciton loss from a distance (with 1 wall and 2 doors in between) of 40 feet. however there is a problem (software ?) with the signal strength bar. it shows ALWAYS only 1 bar, altough i stand next to the router. but i dont care ;-)
Hi all,
I just got my device, and still thinking whether to send it back in 7 days. My main complain is the wifi. I have never seen more than 2 bars (out of 4) signal strength, even when sitting 2 meters from the router. Moreover it always drops the connection. I realized it when I tried to use IE for browsing, since that doesn't tolerate it and I keep getting the connection lost messages. Seems that Opera can live with it, but I see when the connection dropped during the page load. Youtube watcher also cannot manage to download videos when the signal is dropped.
The Tx/Rx rate also changes chaotically from 1Mb/1Mb to 54Mb/36Mb.
Before you ask: the Power Mode of wifi is set to "Best Performance", since this is the only way it is usable.
Anybody else with similar experiences?
Any solution?
I really appreciate any help, I would like to keep it!
I have no problems what-so-ever with the wifi on my D2...
It runs very well, in all applications that can use it.
- and I have full signal when I am within 5 meters of the router.
I haven't changed any settings on the device, and the router is running on WPA2-PSK at a channel not used by any of my neighbours.
Maybe you have many wireless networks in your area?
Hi,
I have more or less your problems (I opened a thead about it the day I unpacked my D2 but wasn't really condiderated). Here's my condition: I have 3 HTC devices...Artemis-->regular functioning (balanced power), TytnII-->Power Performance MUST be set to high performance, Topaz..well I could connect with balanced power but since I upgraded radio I have to keep it set to best performance, otherwise I would get "fake" connections (connection established but no data taffic). I don't really bother to have to set it like that because the connection is dam fast, which compensates the higher power consumpion.But beside this, I must say that my router is not very friendly with my D2,e.g. when I don't get a connection,I restart it and it works (this must have to do with DCHP service). I have much less trouble connecting alsewhere. So ,what to say? Try to change radio...Do you have other wireless devices working regularly in the same area?Do you have an original rom?You could also try to change wifi channel..would be happy to help
Hi,
Thank you for the answer. I have original ROM, just checked the radio, it is: 3.43.25.19. I didn't experience "fake connections" when it is connected, it is so .
I cannot change the wifi channel, the same router is used by others. However it cannot be the cause of my issues since my notebook's network works fine on the same router.
Changing the radio... seems a good idea. It is my very first smart device, I even thought that this version number was for the hardware, not the software . I will find out how to do it, maybe give it a try. Hope it is an officially supported action .
Hi Lamsebamsen,
The TD2 sees 4 wifi networks, my notebook sees 8. Is it many or not? I think the 4 which the TD doesn't see is many .
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Hope it is an officially supported action .
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I'm afraid not, as you would have to HardSPL your device first. There would still a way to get back to your original configuration but I don't know if you are prone to do so, that depends on how much responsability you can take on your device (is it from work or..). Another thing to try is to manually configurate your connection (e.g. assign D2 always the same IP, but watchout for network collisions!router should be set aswell)
How far from the WiFi HotSpot can your X1 get before the connection is useless? I'm in a house and it barely works in the next room (newer house, walls made of drywall). My brother has an iPod Touch that works all over the house perfectly (same router). I'm wondering if there is something wrong with the WiFi radio on my X1?
i get v good coverage from the x1 as good as the iphone. try changing your radio firmware
WhyBe,
Is it set to best performance or best battery?
Go under settings to check.
Cheers.
Doesn't it depend on the HotSpot itself ?- I mean on the router, its signal strength and etc...I connect to my router trough 2 brick + concrete walls and have no problems at all...Always connected in every room
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Doesn't it depend on the HotSpot itself ?- I mean on the router, its signal strength and etc...I connect to my router trough 2 brick + concrete walls and have no problems at all...Always connected in every room
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same , even good outside/inside the neighbours house ,
be sure to have the 1.15 or 1.16 radio (or smthing like that , the new ones)
+what poisonwolf said
and dont buy a metal case for ur phone
also helps if i slide open the phone for me ... and its good to face the router too (not with ur back towards it)
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Doesn't it depend on the HotSpot itself ?- I mean on the router, its signal strength and etc...I connect to my router trough 2 brick + concrete walls and have no problems at all...Always connected in every room
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I can always connect to my router from the door on the street (I live on the first floor) and everywhere in the house including the bedroo with router being on the corridor outside.
And I did not tweak anything in my EnergyROM 3.0
Thanks all. I have never specifically changed my radio firmware. Is this something that is updated when I change ROMs? I've went from R1a to R2a to R3a. Does the radio get changed with these?
I have the X1 set to best performance.
It depends on what kind of router you have. The cheap ones are crappy. I have a medium spec one and I get good connectivity through 3 walls.
I have a LinkSys G router. It is pretty common. Everything I use works fine with it (3 laptops and iPod Touch). Only the X1 can see it but not connect.
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I have a LinkSys G router. It is pretty common. Everything I use works fine with it (3 laptops and iPod Touch). Only the X1 can see it but not connect.
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Did you see the settings in the phone that allow you to use better Wi-Fi reception, but get poor battery life? I had problems with Wi-Fi until I set it to "better performance" rather than "better battery life".
Yes, it is set to best performance. My X1 recognizes the router but doesn't connect. I'm wondering if there is some other problem?
EDIT: OK, I just discovered that if I turn off the phone radio, the WiFi works properly. Is it supposed to be this way?
with linksys and all other routers really one have to upgrade the firmware once in awhile
to get best support with newer devices
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Yes, it is set to best performance. My X1 recognizes the router but doesn't connect. I'm wondering if there is some other problem?
EDIT: OK, I just discovered that if I turn off the phone radio, the WiFi works properly. Is it supposed to be this way?
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Nope. There is a problem. I have no idea what it could be though . Maybe an update is a good thought.
I only use stock ROMs and haven't really tweaked my system beyond factory state. So I don't see why I need to update anything. I'm thinking there is some sort of conflict between my internet settings for the phone and the internet settings for the WiFi connection?
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I only use stock ROMs and haven't really tweaked my system beyond factory state. So I don't see why I need to update anything. I'm thinking there is some sort of conflict between my internet settings for the phone and the internet settings for the WiFi connection?
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Update the router not the phone .
WhyBe said:
Yes, it is set to best performance. My X1 recognizes the router but doesn't connect. I'm wondering if there is some other problem?
EDIT: OK, I just discovered that if I turn off the phone radio, the WiFi works properly. Is it supposed to be this way?
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Mine did that when I 1st tried to set it up, it would find the network (hidden) ok, but would not connect. No matter what I tried, even though 2 pc's (wired), laptop (wireless), xbox (wired) & iPod touch (wireless) were working fine.
I gave up on the X1 and turned my attention to the router, tried a static IP for the X1 etc (it's back on DCHP now), after rebooting the router, the X1 connected and worked fine and it has ever since. I have no idea why - but initially it would not connect - something funny with the router.
I have a netgear router and every now and then kicks me off. i have to disable my wifi on the x1 and reconnect or even power off the router and back on for it to work.
Turn off your router for 1 minute and power back on then try to reconnect your x1.
I have a Linksys WRT160N router and it actually doesn't even detect it when it transmits mixed speed, only of I put it on B and G it detects it.
Otherwise the signal is average, a bit worse then my laptop.
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How far from the WiFi HotSpot can your X1 get before the connection is useless? I'm in a house and it barely works in the next room (newer house, walls made of drywall). My brother has an iPod Touch that works all over the house perfectly (same router). I'm wondering if there is something wrong with the WiFi radio on my X1?
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I only use Wi-Fi at my university. Well basically my Wi-Fi works everywhere around campus, at the dorms, and at the movie theater right next to school.
It's freaking great, but I prefer 3G. I just can't afford it.
hi all i have read that the htc hd2 with a reg edit can run wireless N but is this true, can i use with with a 802.11N router, or will it only work with a 802.11G router,
i need to know as i plan to buy a long range router for work so i can stream DI.FM radio to my htc from my pc and the distance is around 50meter so i want to buy the bets possible router so i can listen to the radio glitch free
info on work network:-
1) 6mb speed via a cable
2) approx 50meters from where i walk / work
It might work at 802.11N standard, but unless your broadband speed is greater than 54Mbs then you'll have nothing to gain. Your router should be backwards compatible to allow 802.11G connection which the HD2 definitely supports, this should be good for speeds up to 54Mbs dependant upon your connection quality.
You'd still get the benefit of greater range, which would in turn mean you'd get a stronger connection. Even a really strong wifi connection on my PS3 only gives me about 700KB/s, despite being on a 20Mb connection (which I can use fully on my wired PC).
I do think, however, that 50m is somewhat optimistic, despite the claims of how good the signal should be (I believe it claims to do 250m outdoors!)
I'd love to try this myself, but don't have a wireless-N router, so can't. I'd be very interested to hear how you get on with this.
Works with ~700kb/s*
I was sending data between laptop and phone with wifi only.
well im going to take my THOMSON TG585v7 i have for my home internet to work i got it with my bethere internet, for free of the provider so im going to try it and see what i get with this,
i have no idea how good this router is though
http://www.thomsonbroadbandpartner.com/dsl-modems-gateways/products/product-detail.php?id=161
it says Typical Indoor coverage: 60m
î use a BELKIN N1 http://www.belkin.com/pressroom/releases/uploads/07_11_07N1Vision.html
and my HD2 has no problems connecting
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î use a BELKIN N1 http://www.belkin.com/pressroom/releases/uploads/07_11_07N1Vision.html
and my HD2 has no problems connecting
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how far indoors do you get a signal
router is downstairs and even when i'm upstairs i still get signal
Same. Got a Linksys WRT610N. With N-band enabled, not only is the signal strength better, but surfing the net and leeching YouTube vids just flies even though the Internet connection itself is only 12Mbps.
ok all ive decided to buy this for my work to send a N signal to my phone
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Edim...multi-function-wireless-access-point-repeater
my broadband speed is only 6mb at work but i just need the range so i hope this will get me at least 50meters walking distance lol.
Seems to only have 2 (small) antenna's though.
My Asus WL500W has 3 antenna's and has a great signal; whole house and garden covered.
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=nrsjewu78wdDXMOA
Running DD-WRT this beauty does it's job very well.
You could, if the signal is not strong enough or has to get through walls, consider getting a directional antenna to hook up to your router.
This will greatly increase the range.
Does anyone notice there's a big bug with WiFi on the G2?
I have 2 WiFi ac routers, one at home and one at the Office, an Asus RT-ac66U and a Linksys ea6700. Both capable of 1750mbps max speeds.
Internet speeds are 120/6 and 200/20.
Scenario is exactly the same for both routers;
When fresh reboot the router, G2 connects at a speed of 433Mbps.
Speedtests show results of 119/6 at home and 190/20 at the office.
Great you would say!
But here goes. Once WiFi get disconnected and reconnected, speeds go down to ~40mbps. No matter what I do!
These are N speeds, not AC
When looking at connection settings it still shows a link of 433mbps
Tested dozens of times, on both routers, so it has to be an issue with the G2.
Anyone else noticed the same??
DAMN, should have been in Q&A, mods plz move
I'm not an expert on wi-fi, but have stumbled through setting up several routers around the house. But I do not have an ac router.
Is the home router in mixed mode? Ignoring a/b/c for a moment and focusing on g and n (and implying ac), I have two wireless routers in the house. One runs N only (but both 2.4 ghz and 5 ghz) and the other runs G only. Now, my N router is capable of running in mixed mode (to handle both N and G) BUT in mixed mode, my max speed when connected in N is lower than it would be if I ran in dedicated N mode.
Most of my devices now are at least N (2.4 or 5) but I have an older printer and wii that only do G. But as mentioned above, rather than run my best router in mixed mode, I run 2 separate routers, one in N only and one in G only.
Maybe something similar might help with your ac speeds?
Really appreciate your input!
But I already tried settings like AC only etc. Doesn't make any difference.
Once connected for the second time and up to the router no more AC speeds...
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Is there a way to test LAN speeds on Android? I have the same Asus router but my wan speeds are so pitiful that I wouldn't be able to tell if the phone was dropping to N speeds. If I could test speeds to my desktop across the local network I might be able to test what you are experiencing.
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Is there a way to check on the phone, which band it's connecting to? I haven't found anything.
I have the same router and my issue is on reconnect. I leave my wifi on all the time. When I get home, it connects automatically the moment I pull up to the house. The problem is, the speed is severely crippled. Range is awesome, speed is bad. I have to cycle the wifi and reconnect. Once done, no more problems.
One thing I should note, I was having the same issue occasionally on my Droid RAZR after getting the ASUS. Does anyone know if they use the same wifi hardware? Maybe it's an issue with the router itself?
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Is there a way to test LAN speeds on Android? I have the same Asus router but my wan speeds are so pitiful that I wouldn't be able to tell if the phone was dropping to N speeds. If I could test speeds to my desktop across the local network I might be able to test what you are experiencing.
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Is there a way to check on the phone, which band it's connecting to? I haven't found anything.
I have the same router and my issue is on reconnect. I leave my wifi on all the time. When I get home, it connects automatically the moment I pull up to the house. The problem is, the speed is severely crippled. Range is awesome, speed is bad. I have to cycle the wifi and reconnect. Once done, no more problems.
One thing I should note, I was having the same issue occasionally on my Droid RAZR after getting the ASUS. Does anyone know if they use the same wifi hardware? Maybe it's an issue with the router itself?
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@jasonff
Don't know about an app to test lan speeds unfortunately.
Think a google search would come up with lots of options.
@crashN2u
I leave my wifi on too all the time for now, it keeps it at full speed then.
There's no way to check which band you are connected to.
Router doesn't have an option to choose AC Only, only N +AC
And in the mean time I have tested it with 4 AC routers, Asus RT-AC66U, Netgear R6250, Linksys EA6700, D-Link 868L.
With all routers exactly the same conclusion. First time everything is great. Excellent speeds. If you never turn off WiFi it remains at high speed.
But once you turn off WiFi on the Phone and turn it back on it immediately drops to ~36-40mbps max (N Speeds).
This remains until I rebooted each router and after that full speeds again.
It must be something in drivers LG used.
There's the solution to for, I'm sure of it by now.
Well, I can see I won't be much help -- especially since the same result on 4 routers!
I am not sure if the following app supports AC, but a very helpful and free app I use is called "Wifi Analyzer". I can't post links but that is the exact name (author = farproc).
It has many useful tools/functions that you may find helpful, switchable between 2.4 and 5.0 ghz, channel scanner, etc.
Does your 2.4 ghz N and 5.0 ghz N/AC have different SSID's? From what I read, AC is 5 ghz only and N can be either 2.4 ghz or 5.0 ghz. I wonder if you are dropping from 5.0 AC to 2.4 N because the 2.4 N is being detected as "stronger signal" than the 5.0 AC at reconnect time?
I named my 2.4 ghz N SSID as "Blah" and 5.0 ghz N SSID as "Blah_5ghz" just so I know what frequency I'm on at a glance (using a widget that shows the SSID) but many routers by default will have both SSID's the same, making it less obvious what band you are connected to. I also use an app called "WIFI Prioritizer" (author Robert Botha), which will allow me to connect or re-connect in the SSID order I specify: i.e. when I get home I will connect to SSID "Blah" (2.4 ghz N because it has the longest range). Every 5 mins (you can specify), it checks to see if my SSID "Blah_5Ghz" is in range and will switch to it if it is (you can also set signal strength connect and disconnect thresholds).
Anyways, I probably can't help further but am following this thread with interest. Good luck!
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Well, I can see I won't be much help -- especially since the same result on 4 routers!
I am not sure if the following app supports AC, but a very helpful and free app I use is called "Wifi Analyzer". I can't post links but that is the exact name (author = farproc).
It has many useful tools/functions that you may find helpful, switchable between 2.4 and 5.0 ghz, channel scanner, etc.
Does your 2.4 ghz N and 5.0 ghz N/AC have different SSID's? From what I read, AC is 5 ghz only and N can be either 2.4 ghz or 5.0 ghz. I wonder if you are dropping from 5.0 AC to 2.4 N because the 2.4 N is being detected as "stronger signal" than the 5.0 AC at reconnect time?
I named my 2.4 ghz N SSID as "Blah" and 5.0 ghz N SSID as "Blah_5ghz" just so I know what frequency I'm on at a glance (using a widget that shows the SSID) but many routers by default will have both SSID's the same, making it less obvious what band you are connected to. I also use an app called "WIFI Prioritizer" (author Robert Botha), which will allow me to connect or re-connect in the SSID order I specify: i.e. when I get home I will connect to SSID "Blah" (2.4 ghz N because it has the longest range). Every 5 mins (you can specify), it checks to see if my SSID "Blah_5Ghz" is in range and will switch to it if it is (you can also set signal strength connect and disconnect thresholds).
Anyways, I probably can't help further but am following this thread with interest. Good luck!
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My Phone is packed with tools like Wifi Analyser, InSISDer etc etc atm
I always separate 2.4 and 5ghz networks to be able to see exactly what's going on but thanks for the heads up :good:
From further investigation and thinking, and with your suggestion about stronger signals;
Thing is, AC routers are more or less all simultanious routers.
That combines 2.4 and 5ghz signals for higher transfer speeds.
I think in there lies the problem when drivers are not 100%.
In theory 2.4 signals are stronger then 5ghz signals and have wider range.
But in testing I made sure that I was in the same room and no more than 2 meters away from the router.
when testing it showed equal signal strength up to -20 so really strong signals.
Therefore I concluded that N on 2.4 whas equally strong as 5ghz and then again I isolated 5ghz SSID so that's not it unfortunately.
I promised to stay away but I can't resist!
Have you tried some of the more generic troubleshooting tips (on the home network), such as trying with no security or lesser security (WEP) to see if it still reconnects at the lower (N) speeds? I realize that usually that test is of course for a more basic issue than yours but maybe the G2 has trouble handling security overhead.
Some devices and routers just don't like each other (as many know), but 4 different routers...?! Gotta be the G2 side, as you've surmised. Wish I knew someone with an ac router so I could test myself. I'm debating on getting an ac router but you've got me spooked! (kidding/teasing)
Well haven't tried lower or no security.
When I have the chance (aka the wife is away and not *****ing about wifi not available ) I'll sure try that.
But I don't think that WEP will be an option because AC requires AES protection if I'm not mistaken.
But really do not be afraid to get yourself an AC router hehe.
No honestly, I've tested 4 routers with:
AC Capable:
HTC One. Goes all the way to max isp speeds. All the time, no issues
LG G2.
Not AC Capable.
IPhone 5. Max speed at 5ghz (constantly tested) is ~90-100mpbs.
HTC One X. Max speed at 5ghz (constantly tested) is ~70-90mpbs.
So even if your hardware maybe not be capable of AC speeds you still get excellent connections
Oh and for the record.
Here's my personal listing of the hardware I've tested. From best to well not so good.
1. Netgear R6250.
Excellent constant speeds. No drops whatsoever with around 6 devices connected. Excellent range!
2. Asus RT-AC66U
Shame Asus introduced a new wifi driver some time ago which doesn't perform that well. Constant speed drops.
They know about it but thusfar no solution.
When you get this one, stay on old firmware for now!
3. D-link 868L
Real looker this one. Can be put in plain sight in the room like a picture frame :silly:
Great constant speeds, but some drops here and there.
Excellent range.
4. Linksys EA6700
Linksys is sold to Belkin by Cisco.
Up to now I have never seen anything good coming from Belkin!
What a piece of crap.
With a really thin wall between router and phones coverage went down more dan half. Hell even when distance less than 2 meters away coverage was about -45.
Do not get this crap!
I wonder... the wireless N spec (not sure if also AC) calls for devices and routers to have a 'low power mode', which may or may not be enabled in routers and/or phones (e.g. GS3) by default. According to some article I read, newer routers may go into a power saving mode if it detects low traffic and supposedly ramp up when the traffic increases.
Possibly it doesn't ramp up fast enough when a new device connects and the device mistakes it for not having the highest speed (AC) capability. Might explain fast speeds after router bootup but not later. If there is any truth to that (no clue here), it might speed itself up either by testing with a larger file or seeing if the "2nd connect" condition changes while say, streaming videos from the PC to the Xbox or watching Netflix on the main TV. Certainly, either would be considered high traffic and if there is no change to the 2nd connect, well -- there goes that idea.
Is there a wifi power saving mode on the G2 like there is on the GS3? (i.e. dialing *#0011# to turn it off).
Klotar said:
I wonder... the wireless N spec (not sure if also AC) calls for devices and routers to have a 'low power mode', which may or may not be enabled in routers and/or phones (e.g. GS3) by default. According to some article I read, newer routers may go into a power saving mode if it detects low traffic and supposedly ramp up when the traffic increases.
Possibly it doesn't ramp up fast enough when a new device connects and the device mistakes it for not having the highest speed (AC) capability. Might explain fast speeds after router bootup but not later. If there is any truth to that (no clue here), it might speed itself up either by testing with a larger file or seeing if the "2nd connect" condition changes while say, streaming videos from the PC to the Xbox or watching Netflix on the main TV. Certainly, either would be considered high traffic and if there is no change to the 2nd connect, well -- there goes that idea.
Is there a wifi power saving mode on the G2 like there is on the GS3? (i.e. dialing *#0011# to turn it off).
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Good point!
Well, there is a setting in wifi, advanced to minimize use of wifi when screen is off. Sounds like a power save mode to me.
But, just tested it and that makes no difference.
With that setting deactivated on the G2 still at first boot AC speeds and when I switch off and on wifi I still get N speeds max.
And besides that, on the Asus router there's a setting called "Enable WMM APSD". Which stands for "Automatic Power Save Delivery".
I read up on that and the custom firmware guru RMerlin writes about that setting that especially Android devices could suffer from that setting.
So I disabled that a long time ago.
On other routers I couldn't find such setting.
But to iron that setting out I just tested it once more.
First with setting off. Still first connect AC speeds, after turn off/on back to N speed.
Then turned wifi off, enabled the setting and rebooted the router.
But this time to let the supposedly power save kick in I let my Phone idle for 15 minutes so that it surely was in deep sleep.
Then turned screen on, and again AC speeds when first connected.
After that turned wifi off, screen of for 15 minutes. Turned screen on again and once more N speed.
And link speed is always shown as 433mbps btw, which is correct.
There's just some bug in driver code by LG which doesn't work correctly.
I'm more and more convinced of that.
For now I just keep wifi on all the time so that I always get full speeds.
Batt is capable enough so no problem there
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Good point!
Well, there is a setting in wifi, advanced to minimize use of wifi when screen is off. Sounds like a power save mode to me.
But, just tested it and that makes no difference.
With that setting deactivated on the G2 still at first boot AC speeds and when I switch off and on wifi I still get N speeds max.
And besides that, on the Asus router there's a setting called "Enable WMM APSD". Which stands for "Automatic Power Save Delivery".
I read up on that and the custom firmware guru RMerlin writes about that setting that especially Android devices could suffer from that setting.
So I disabled that a long time ago.
On other routers I couldn't find such setting.
But to iron that setting out I just tested it once more.
First with setting off. Still first connect AC speeds, after turn off/on back to N speed.
Then turned wifi off, enabled the setting and rebooted the router.
But this time to let the supposedly power save kick in I let my Phone idle for 15 minutes so that it surely was in deep sleep.
Then turned screen on, and again AC speeds when first connected.
After that turned wifi off, screen of for 15 minutes. Turned screen on again and once more N speed.
And link speed is always shown as 433mbps btw, which is correct.
There's just some bug in driver code by LG which doesn't work correctly.
I'm more and more convinced of that.
For now I just keep wifi on all the time so that I always get full speeds.
Batt is capable enough so no problem there
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I found a tool to test local network speed. It uses two android devices for a p2p test or you can install a server program on your PC. I'll do some testing and see if I can reproduce what you are seeing. Here's the link: http://pzoleeblogen.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/local-network-speed-test-for-android/ and the market link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pzolee.android.localwifispeedtester&hl=en
And to be sure I understand, you boot your phone with wifi on, AC speeds. Turn off wifi on phone and turn it back on, N speeds. Reboot phone with wifi on, back to AC speeds. Correct?
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I found a tool to test local network speed. It uses two android devices for a p2p test or you can install a server program on your PC. I'll do some testing and see if I can reproduce what you are seeing. Here's the link: http://pzoleeblogen.wordpress.com/2013/08/12/local-network-speed-test-for-android/ and the market link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pzolee.android.localwifispeedtester&hl=en
And to be sure I understand, you boot your phone with wifi on, AC speeds. Turn off wifi on phone and turn it back on, N speeds. Reboot phone with wifi on, back to AC speeds. Correct?
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Thanks for the app!
Gonna test this for sure since I also have a HTC One lying around which is also AC capable
Not 100% corect.
I can do with phone what I want until wifi gets turned off.
Then a reboot of the router is required to get AC speed back.
No need to reboot the phone.
Quite busy atm so don't have enough time I would like to be testing
LittleH79 said:
Thanks for the app!
Gonna test this for sure since I also have a HTC One lying around which is also AC capable
Not 100% corect.
I can do with phone what I want until wifi gets turned off.
Then a reboot of the router is required to get AC speed back.
No need to reboot the phone.
Quite busy atm so don't have enough time I would like to be testing
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Between my wife on her laptop, my son on his Chromebook and my daughter streaming Netflix on our Roku, I hardly ever have a chance to reboot the router without someone complaining
Since I haven't rebooted my router in days, from what you are saying I shouldn't see anything above N speeds until I reboot the router. Do you actually have to turn off wifi on the phone to have it drop from AC to N or is it enough to leave the range of the wifi and then come back? And does if turning it off is required, do I have to be connected to the router at the time I turn phone wifi off?
I'll try testing this weekend.
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Between my wife on her laptop, my son on his Chromebook and my daughter streaming Netflix on our Roku, I hardly ever have a chance to reboot the router without someone complaining
Since I haven't rebooted my router in days, from what you are saying I shouldn't see anything above N speeds until I reboot the router. Do you actually have to turn off wifi on the phone to have it drop from AC to N or is it enough to leave the range of the wifi and then come back? And does if turning it off is required, do I have to be connected to the router at the time I turn phone wifi off?
I'll try testing this weekend.
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Going out of range isn't a problem as long as you don't have an app or setting on in wifi, advanced to switch off wifi.
As long as wifi isn't turned off I can go everywhere, in&out of range, other routers connect but speeds remain AC, everywhere on every router.
I can reproduce everytime that when I turn off wifi on the phone and back on from then on I only get ~36-40mbps max.
It's like the phone thinks that's max capable speed altough wifi link speed is again shown as 433mbps.
If I have switched off wifi on the phone and back on, on all 4 AC routers I tested all needed a router reboot to gain full AC speeds again.
Oh and maybe a small tip, I always say to the misses at home that there's a small problem with connection so a quick reboot is required.
Up to now that still works
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Going out of range isn't a problem as long as you don't have an app or setting on in wifi, advanced to switch off wifi.
As long as wifi isn't turned off I can go everywhere, in&out of range, other routers connect but speeds remain AC, everywhere on every router.
I can reproduce everytime that when I turn off wifi on the phone and back on from then on I only get ~36-40mbps max.
It's like the phone thinks that's max capable speed altough wifi link speed is again shown as 433mbps.
If I have switched off wifi on the phone and back on, on all 4 AC routers I tested all needed a router reboot to gain full AC speeds again.
Oh and maybe a small tip, I always say to the misses at home that there's a small problem with connection so a quick reboot is required.
Up to now that still works
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I just did a few tests from my phone to my pc with 100MB data sets. I got between 200 and 260 Mbit/s down both before and after toggling my phone's wifi off and on. Didn't seem to make a difference. I got about 6Mbit up.
So, I didn't seem to experience the problem you have. But try repeating what I've done with this local network app. Maybe you won't have the issue with it that you are seeing on your WAN connection.
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I just did a few tests from my phone to my pc with 100MB data sets. I got between 200 and 260 Mbit/s down both before and after toggling my phone's wifi off and on. Didn't seem to make a difference. I got about 6Mbit up.
So, I didn't seem to experience the problem you have. But try repeating what I've done with this local network app. Maybe you won't have the issue with it that you are seeing on your WAN connection.
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What router or AP do you use?
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shaglord said:
What router or AP do you use?
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Asus RT-AC66U
jasonsf said:
Asus RT-AC66U
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Wow and do you really see real transfer rates of 25-30 MB/s to your G2?
I'm using a Qualcomm Atheros based AC-router and my G2 (running latest CM11) hardly goes over 10 Mbit ~ 1,5 MB/s. Weak I know. (Confirmed 433 Mbit link using a wifi app.)
Maybe I need a broadcom-router like yours to see some real AC-speeds.
Thanks for the reply. Take care
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