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ScreenSensitivity on Magic?

How is the screen sensitivity on the Magic.. Is it like the HTC Diamond or the Iphone?

I'm guessing it's the same as the G1/Dream, which is similar to the iPhone. The Diamond uses a resistive touch screen as opposed to the capacitive ones of Magic/Dream/iPhone. Capacitive is much more sensitive and responsive.

I would assume that as well, but would REALLY like to know for sure from someone who has used it as soon as anyone can comment on it.

just like iPhone mate.

I got a HTC magic from Vodafone in the UK yesterday and I've been playing with it pretty much non stop since
I previously had a HTC Kaiser (running a version of Android ported by dzo on this forum) and the screen on the Magic is considerably more sensitive. In fact at first I found it a bit difficult to use as I was applying way too much pressure (you use a lot less on a capacitive screen than on a resistive screen like most win mo phones).
I've compared it with my housemates HTC G1 and the screen does seem a tad more responsive to lighter touches. My only complaint is that I find swiping motions can sometimes be a bit difficult as there can be a bit of friction between my finger and the screen surface. Not that bad, it just feels a little uncomfortable at first.

My iphone was much more reponsive. Found myself missing letters on the magic keyboard due to not pressing hard enough.

I've got HTC Kaiser and Blackberry Storm (the latter goes back to store tomorrow for being crap phone). The screen on Magic is much more sensitive than on Kaiser and similar to the one on Storm (apart from that dreadful 'clicky' thing). Overall I am very pleased by it.

I have the iPhone 3G and the magic.
And the Sony X1.
The magic screen is not very responsive.
Many letters are not recognized.
The iPhone ones is much better.
I think the config has to be changed.
All in all I am disappointed. I hat the G1 and the whole system was much faster than the magic ones.
I sende it home to vodafone.

69reichertm said:
I have the iPhone 3G and the magic.
And the Sony X1.
The magic screen is not very responsive.
Many letters are not recognized.
The iPhone ones is much better.
I think the config has to be changed.
All in all I am disappointed. I hat the G1 and the whole system was much faster than the magic ones.
I sende it home to vodafone.
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That DOES sound like a faulty unit, as all other reviews I've seen say it is more responsive than the G1.
disclaimer: I don't have my hands on the Magic yet.

Hi
no, I tested another in the shop and it is the same.
I guess you only realize it when you have the other device too for testing

69reichertm said:
I have the iPhone 3G and the magic.
I hat the G1 and the whole system was much faster than the magic ones.
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So Android in general is running faster on the HTC Dream than on the Magic? The Magic has the same processor as the Dream and more RAM - then the difference in performance must be due to the Magic sporting Android 1.5 Cupcake?

I'm running a cupcake rom on my g1 and its faster than befor. So I don't think that's it. I don't have nor have seen a real magic. But the would not be becase of cupcake

Goodbye AT&T Pure

I have been a long time member and supporter of windows mobile. I think I have hit my threshold though. This "pure", is pure; pure crap. From the cheap ass plastic, bluish case to the horrible AT&T branded rom that comes with it. Yes I have tried all the different roms out there right now but they cant help the build quality on this thing. I should have kept my Touch HD T8285. The phone aspect is worthless. Granted it could be the network. This is my second unit after the first one was basically a paper weight. Now I have 3 days left to decide to keep it or get something else. I am really at a crossroads. My loyalty and support is to this incredible community, but this phone makes me want to punch myself. I dont want to go to the dark side (apple), but I am running out of options right now. Your feedback.

I think the build quality on the Pure is great. Edges and buttons match up perfectly, it has a solid feel, no flexing or squeaking, good to the touch. I have no problem with the build at all.
Only thing I don't really like is the plastic, but the pure is designed to be ultra small and lightweight. I suppose if you don't like the housing you could always swap it out for a new third-party housing when they're available. Maybe there will be a carbon or titanium Pure housing.
As for ROMs, the AT&T one was pure bloat. I ditched that after a week. I'm now running Dutty's Holy Grail R1 ROM, which runs really well on the Pure. Surprisingly well. Try it out. You might change your mind about keeping the Pure.

Dutty's is pretty good. I love my Pure. I came from a Fuze and while the keyboard was nice for internet, it made the phone feel flimsy.
The Pure is actually really nice. I was looking at the HD 8285, but the screen size on the Pure is really nice, IMO. I'm a chef from the raphael forums so I don't use many other roms, but I did try a few to get a good feel for it.
Energyroms and Dutty's are always good.

i think the pure is a real nice phone. feels great in hand and everything runs great. i ditched the att rom from day 1. i was tossing between the tilt 2 and pure. i too came from the fuze and i hardly ever used the keyboard and thats why i went with the pure. no regrets at all so far. hopefully you can find something good about this phone in the next few days.

turcomora said:
I have been a long time member and supporter of windows mobile. I think I have hit my threshold though. This "pure", is pure; pure crap. From the cheap ass plastic, bluish case to the horrible AT&T branded rom that comes with it. Yes I have tried all the different roms out there right now but they cant help the build quality on this thing. I should have kept my Touch HD T8285. The phone aspect is worthless. Granted it could be the network. This is my second unit after the first one was basically a paper weight. Now I have 3 days left to decide to keep it or get something else. I am really at a crossroads. My loyalty and support is to this incredible community, but this phone makes me want to punch myself. I dont want to go to the dark side (apple), but I am running out of options right now. Your feedback.
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Did you PM me about dropping your HD for the Pure? Never mind it was RAP5 who PM'd me. Sorry.
Sorry to here about that. Get rid of the Pure and spend the cash and get the original unlocked TD2. Feels nice and solid. not plasticky like the Pure or Get that HD back. ANDROID MAN. IT's running on it. If anything spend $520 and get an Unlocked HERO (The Original and Best Looking HERO) then get the Cheap $10 internet and enjoy.

turcomora said:
I have been a long time member and supporter of windows mobile. I think I have hit my threshold though. This "pure", is pure; pure crap. From the cheap ass plastic, bluish case to the horrible AT&T branded rom that comes with it. Yes I have tried all the different roms out there right now but they cant help the build quality on this thing. I should have kept my Touch HD T8285. The phone aspect is worthless. Granted it could be the network. This is my second unit after the first one was basically a paper weight. Now I have 3 days left to decide to keep it or get something else. I am really at a crossroads. My loyalty and support is to this incredible community, but this phone makes me want to punch myself. I dont want to go to the dark side (apple), but I am running out of options right now. Your feedback.
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Hate to see anyone give up on a phone so early..But I sold my Pure and kept the 8285. I will get another Pure, as I am not convinced this is a Pure Crap phone...not yet. It's got to be the AT&T software, choking the phone out of it's capabilities. I really liked the slim form and light weitht, fits easier in pockets than the 8285. Voice quality was very good and emails came over quick. I didn't keep it long enough to compare it to the HD but I also kept the HD.

I know what you mean about the Pure, I have an X1, and decided to get the Pure while my X1 was undergoing a warranty repair. The warranty stuff went quickly, so although I purchased the Pure, I've only used it for a week. Here are my thoughts.
I thought the housing felt cheap at first, but then the fact the phone was so light grew on me. Nonetheless, I feel we are getting mifed on our hardware. We get an old processor, a screen that is still kind of small, and why is the phone so damned thick??? My year old X1 is just 1 or 2 mm thicker, and the Moto Droid is thinner. Both phones have keyboards, and the Pure does not...
I know I'll get flamed for this man, but given the price of the Pure as compared to the iPhone, I'm considering exchanging it for an iPhone... I'll still have my X1, and I can probably sell the iPhone for more than the Pure on eBay.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=244079&stc=1&d=1257576876

I previously had the 8125 (Wizard) and 8525 (Hermes) phones... And I love my Pure. I like all the built-in features that I used to use third-party software for:
o Tab Manager/Calendar events on Today screen (pocketbreeze)
o Weather on Today screen (pocketweather)
o Nice task manager and program launcher (iLauncher)
o Easy access to world times (CityTime)
I also wanted a smaller, thinner phone to carry around in my pocket and a bigger screen, don't really need the keyboard. Got all that in the Pure.
Now I may be looking to upgrade if the HD2 does make it to the US... but for now, I'm very happy !

I'm not even sure I would ditch my Pure for an HD2. Of course it's awesome, but it's also huge. The Pure fits perfectly in the bottom of my pocket. The HD2 is really so large and so wafer thin that it might get a lot of twisting and tortional abuse while in a pocket. I can only imagine leaning forward to stand up, and hearing the HD2 crack.
The HD2 seems to me to be more of a mobile internet device than a phone. I'll take a look at it, that's for sure, but I'm guessing it'll be too large for my taste and I'll probably stick with my Pure, which I absolutely love.

coldcarbon said:
I'm not even sure I would ditch my Pure for an HD2. Of course it's awesome, but it's also huge. The Pure fits perfectly in the bottom of my pocket. The HD2 is really so large and so wafer thin that it might get a lot of twisting and tortional abuse while in a pocket. I can only imagine leaning forward to stand up, and hearing the HD2 crack.
The HD2 seems to me to be more of a mobile internet device than a phone. I'll take a look at it, that's for sure, but I'm guessing it'll be too large for my taste and I'll probably stick with my Pure, which I absolutely love.
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I find the HD to be a perfect size. The HD2 is slightly bigger and may or maynot be a problem. But it is thinner than the TD2 which is nice. I was expecting my TD2 to be thicker than what it is but would love for it to be thinner. I'll just wait till the spring for the next gen TD and android phones instead of juping ship and getting an HD2 I may not like.

sonus said:
I know what you mean about the Pure, I have an X1, and decided to get the Pure while my X1 was undergoing a warranty repair. The warranty stuff went quickly, so although I purchased the Pure, I've only used it for a week. Here are my thoughts.
I thought the housing felt cheap at first, but then the fact the phone was so light grew on me. Nonetheless, I feel we are getting mifed on our hardware. We get an old processor, a screen that is still kind of small, and why is the phone so damned thick??? My year old X1 is just 1 or 2 mm thicker, and the Moto Droid is thinner. Both phones have keyboards, and the Pure does not...
I know I'll get flamed for this man, but given the price of the Pure as compared to the iPhone, I'm considering exchanging it for an iPhone... I'll still have my X1, and I can probably sell the iPhone for more than the Pure on eBay.
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Well it is official I traded in my pure for an iphone 3gs. Yes the iphone is wider, heavier, but it works. I hate to say it but it is a great device. I am very sasd to be leaving the forums but the pure was just the last straw. The phone reception between the pure and the iphone was a night and day difference. We tested it in the store with the manager. I dont know why the signal strength was so different if both devices are quad band?? Anyway my best wishes to all pure owners, if you are under the 30 days you might want to try the dark side a try (apple). HTC can no longer keep carrying the weight of windows mobile alone with there touchflo/sense. Microsft really needs to provide a decent platform to compete with the likes of apple.

Is the HTC Magic reliable?

I was going to get the Hero but I can get the Magic on a much better deal.
But is this phone reliable? Is it built well?
I want it to last me over a year and my previous HTC Touch Diamond was not built very well.

Wond3r said:
I was going to get the Hero but I can get the Magic on a much better deal.
But is this phone reliable? Is it built well?
I want it to last me over a year and my previous HTC Touch Diamond was not built very well.
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I've had my Magic since first UK launch and it looks like new. No case, no screen protector - although I did use a Gel Skin for a little while.

Is the hardware holding up well? As in , the internals? have you had any problems?

Wond3r said:
Is the hardware holding up well? As in , the internals? have you had any problems?
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Internals are all still working - I can't say I've dissected it though lol.
My biggest problem was I got a Palm Pre. That's back in it's box until WebOS matures and the UK get the full app market.
I use my Magic for:
- Trapster to and from work every day (in a Brodit mount)
- CoPilot GPS
- Listening to music and podcasts at work.
- multiple email accounts all day at work and home
- web browsing
- heavy phone use
- medium texting
I've had absolutely no issues - I'm a careful phone owner though..
By comparison I used the Pre for a couple of months before it went back in it's box. It has mild Oreo already...
The only tip I'd give is keep it a pocket away from sharp things... I have a 'phone pocket' in my jacket and it lives in there or in a left front jeans pocket with only tissues for company..
I have noticed a tiny blemish on the lower edge, but that's it. The plastic shell seems fairly tough to me. I'd rate the build quality as good as the iPhone 3g for sturdiness overall.
Battery door still fits snugly too...

You should wait for the new Magic/MT3G-V2 that's gonna be released.If you save up you can get one of the phones from the HTC roadmap instead. Plus do you really wanna be stuck with a phone from last decade?

Well Im asking about the Magic because that is what I can afford right now. I wont be able to afford the newer phones because if I could, I would just get the Hero.

It's a good phone, solid, well built, my only complaint is the smaller RAM but it's managable (32B). I have a gel skin and a screen protector as well. But I agree this phone is so last year . I heard theres a MyTouch slide on the way. If its confirmed that will be my next phone.

I've had the Rogers HTC Magic for 7 months and great so far. So problems whatsoever.

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It's a good phone, solid, well built, my only complaint is the smaller RAM but it's managable (32B). I have a gel skin and a screen protector as well. But I agree this phone is so last year . I heard theres a MyTouch slide on the way. If its confirmed that will be my next phone.
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I wouldn't pick it up TBH. The myTouch "Slide" looks like it's going to have the SAME old antiquated ARM11 processor.
WHY WON'T THAT PROCESSOR GO AWAY ALREADY!

i have already play G2 5 days. music is not good at this phone.

How do HD2 owners feel about the Dell Streak?

Hi All,
I know this is a HD2 forum, but I was just looking for some opinions on the new Dell Streak now on o2.
I am pleased with o2's phone releases since losing exclusivity on the iphone, and this recent release is quite impressive (and huge!).
Anyway, thoughts please...comparisons etc.
Thanks.

i was looking at that today..
i was considering getting rid of my hd2 for it..but then again..my pockets arent big enough for that phone lol..
so i decided to jsut stick with the hd2 untill they can port android on it or tmobile gets another android device with a 1ghz processor

too big , low quality plastic easily scratches, lower ram ,only landscape

Dell are calling this a tablet to be in the same class as the iPad. So considering the streaks screen is only .7 inches bigger than a hd2's what does that class our device as? A mobile phone, a PDA or a tablet? By Dells reconing it would be a tablet but the streak is really nothing more than a PDA with a phone module. If you look at it this way i'd rather keep my HD2.

I would like to have a play with one to see what its like, but according to the specs, its is huuuge! Would dwarf my HD2.
My feelings are I have had my HD2 for about 8 months now and it is still top end smartphone on the market. Not many other phones I have owned I can say that about. Roll on the next 8 months!

Thanks for the comments so far. I do not think that the Streak's screen size is big enough to warrant calling it a tablet, also, the casing around the device just makes it bigger than it needs to be IMO.
IMHO, I feel that the HD2 is still the best device on the market simply because no two look alike once XDA possesses your soul, and I am still interested in it 8 months on.
Come on competitors, what else can you throw at us? Try harder!

This is exactly the sort of device that I'd replace my HD2 with IMO. Rather than trade down for something with a smaller screen, because lets face it, I don't think any HD2 owners would ever consider doing this after experiencing such ease and clarity with a bigger screen, so the only option is to upgrade in size, and this device certainly ticks the boxes for me.
I love my HD2 and everything that I've been able to do with it since reading & putting into practice all the tweaks that I've learnt of this site, but I'm now feeling like enough is enough as miss the android feeling as it's more 'with the times' than WM. Android itself is growing at an alarming rate and will no doubt be the number 1 mobile OS in a very short time, and the dell streak is the perfect device to complement it.
On a slightly lesser note, it's a shame the device didn't ship with 2.1 or 2.2 but I guess at the time of production, 1.6 was version on offer. I also think the price is good, so selling the HD2 and putting a few quid in seems well worth it.

Too big.
The step from HD2 with 4.3" and thin frame to 5" and thick border is the one that kills convenience and portability for not much. The HD2 is very comfortable yet just fits well in the pocket, but nothing bigger would, and on the other hand 0.7" don't change much in usability.
Android might be the (only?) interesting point.

Just played with 1 in store today for about 10'
It's really huge, not fit in pocket absolutely.
But the screen and colors somehow amazing. With TFT screen, the screen is like a bigger one of HD2.
At 1st, I like the way Dell skin the homescreen, smooth and fast. We can choose how many homescreen, and manage the background apps (somehow).
No double tap, just pinch to zoom when browsing, got flash too.
5mp camera seem not so good.

Looks good apart from it being landscape only. I prefer to hold devices in portrait unless viewing photos/movies, so this alone rules it out for me
Just done some more research and it appears that the Dell does have an accelerometer so should work in both landscape and portrait, can anyone confirm this? Can you type etc in portrait?

didnt know it was landscape only, I am sure this will change with an update though. I have to say I was tempted but I think android has a way to go yet, it hasnt even got a decent video player yet - coreplayer may change that soon though... (dont hold your breath though)

I want one. Hoped I could purchase one from the UK but I would have to move there to do so. Got to wait a month. I hate waiting for anything.
Diane

I'm really tempted by the Streak now. I love huge screen and rarely make phone calls, but I love Winmo too. It's hard to say goodbye with my HD2

I like big screens but the dell has a little too much unused extra dimension for me. I'll wait for the Sony Ericsson 5.5 inch android phone
Actually probably not, HTC will probably have a 5.5 inch out first with minimal bezel like the hd2, and I'd want to get that one.

I have been trying to replace my iphone for about one year. I haven't found anything where the plastic is as nice and I like the way everything looks on the the iphone screen. Tried a few WinMo phones, but everything always looked so TEENY on the screen. A few weeks ago I bought the Nexus One. For a day or two I considered selling it and moving on to the next device, but little by little I am liking it. [I wish the screen was bigger.] I was considering the Dell. I like the Android o/s - **LOVE** Swype. I am getting very good at it now. I had a tough time typing on the Nexus, but with Swype my 'Swypos' are minimal !!
I have Tmobile. Not sure what other phones I could use. Want to stick with Android though.

The only thing that impresses me about the Dell streak is the Gorilla Glass
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/dell-streaks-gorilla-glass-screen-torture-tested-for-your-amus/

xavierdemon said:
The only thing that impresses me about the Dell streak is the Gorilla Glass
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/dell-streaks-gorilla-glass-screen-torture-tested-for-your-amus/
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And to think that I was thinking of getting a screen protector for this bad boy.

I took my friend to go get one yesterday, well what a joke, the guys in O2 aren't allowed to sell it sim free (in my town anyway), they didn't have one on show and we wanted to see it and have a play we both had to put our HD2's behind the counter so they would let us play with it for 5 whole mins (WOW).
So car-phone whorehouse we went 6 of the guys in their didn't even no what it was, even though there was a big poster on the wall, the one guy in there that could help, said yes we sell it sim free £429 i thought thats not bad considering, so he go's in the back to get one, comes out all red faced I'm so sorry guys we haven't even got it in stock yet, were not getting it till next week when the Dell rep comes, (What a joke surely you should no if you have that brand new device in the store yet), so as we walked out laughing we though Phones4U, hahahahaha never had such fun in my life spoke to a girl in there she just look puzzled, then the manager came over, he asked what we wanted explained what it was showed him the leaflet and he said were not getting that phone mate tbh were a sh%t store and just laughed. So he didn't get one went home and ordered one on-line, morale of the story don't go shopping in a poxy town like mine.
After playing with the device got to say it is fun, but
Too Big to use as a phone
landscape only sucks edit(turns out Paul confirmed its not)
you're gonna have to use a headset of some form to take calls
screen is tuff as boots.
I'll stick to the HD2 thanks

The HD 2 was and IS the best Smartphone on the market TODAY, until the HD3 comes
HTC has the most experience in building WM-devices and Android ones and - except obviously raped and misprogrammed Network-Provider-ROMS such as O2, Vodafone, T-mobile - has the most stable performance. I bought mine with HTC-stock-rom, and since ROM 1.48 (and the great mods from the geniouses here at XDA) no freeze occured ever. It is serving me without any flaw all over the world, and this is exactly the same experience that I always had with my Touch HD.

@hoss_n2
You know what you really do post a lot of rubbish on this forum and seem to be seriously misinformed to so I'll answer you points.
too big,
Maybe for you it is but that's just your personal opinion after all for many others it's a great or even perfect size.
low quality plastic easily scratches
Really and you know this how? I played with one today and it's a great quality plastic and feels really good and it's to early to say if it scratches easily or not as no one has owned one long enough. If you mean the screen as well that's also wrong as that's made of Gorilla Glass and their was a video of someone attacking it with a ball point pen and no damage was done check YouTube or Engadget to see it.
Oh and that's not just MO either but that of others that have already got their Streak which includes Paul from MoDoCo. I'm still waiting for mine to arrive.
lower ram
Really as Paul has just been running some tests on it seeing as he has already Rooted it yup in under 1 day it's Rooted and it's showing 408mb of free Ram so where do you get this low Ram idea from then.
only landscape
LMAO just wrong nothing more needs to said here it works in landscape and Portrait modes don't believe me read this post by Paul on MoDoCo where he confirms for some one that the seesmic app goes full screen both in portrait and landscape ?
In fact read the whole thread for his first thoughts on the Streak.
http://android.modaco.com/content/d...-streak-thoughts-dump-got-questions-ask-here/
Having now seen one hands on as opposed to just pictures or videos it is not as big as i thought it was going to be, now if it's to big for you only you can decide but it has to be bigger then an HD2 to fit in a 5" screen.
Marc

[Q] Pros and cons of the DesireZ?

Hello guys! currently I am on contract with a HTC Desire, and I will be getting an upgrade soon and have been looking at the Desire Z for the slide out keyboard and more pocket-sized shape in comparison with the massive DHD screen. And I've lost interest in the Sensation due to lack of rootability
So my question is this: Is the slide out keyboard prone to snapping/failing? I ask this because once upon a time i had an LG KS360 which i loved for the same reason: the sliding keyboard w/ QWERTY layout. Only thing is, about 7 months of ownership resulted in a broken keyboard. There was no hope...no response, rotation wouldn't always work when sliding it out so i really don't want to go through that 'pain' again

Pros and Cons
I'm using this DZ (Asia version) for about..well...8 months since Dec. last year and there're some pros and cons of its
Pros :
- The body : stylish...i really like the Z-hinge, it's verrrrryyy cooollllllllllllllllllll (and manly too )
- The keyboard : perfect for email & sms-ing
- Hardware : Insane overclocking , i'm using unity mod rite now and it acts like a miracle
- HTC sense is unbeatable
The DZ can be protected by otterbox commuter protection hard case ..you can google it too..I'm satisfy with this case. Don't worry much about the Z-hinge. I used to drop the DZ twice (about 2-3 times) but it's ok
Cons :
- Heavy (in compare with others smartphone)
- I don't like the tungsten color ! => it's black now with the otterbox case.
- A bit outdated at the moment...
Personal Opinion

Very individual preference... For me it is my 1st smartphone with hardware keyboard, and now I'm waiting for a new one with duo core to come out... Then I'll consider it...
Pros:
Hardware Keyboard
Sexy hinge
Aluminium Unibody
A lot of Rom support from private developers n compilers
HTC Sense
Somewhat rarely ppl will buy, because of it's weight
Physical camera shutter key
Cons:
Heavy
Hinge somewhat a lil unreliable (touchwood mine done have much problem)
Battery, I hope for slightly better (around 1600mAh)
Sent from my Synergy Rom using XDA App

I love this phone. Went from an HTC s720 to a HTC Hero and now to the HTC Desire Z and it, IMO, still can compete with most phones on the market despite its age. Personally, I like the extra weight of the DZ, gives me confidence in the unit that I'm holding and lets me know that it's sturdy. I've dropped it from my nightstand afew times (before I got the otterbox) and came out unscathed.
Pros:
Screen (not too big, not to small)
Form Factor (fits perfectly in the palm of one hand and no need to reach for anything)
Hinge (Never seen a hinge like this, loose from the factory, but there are tutorials on how to rectify)
Hardware keyboard (nuff said)
Trackpad
3.5mm audio out
Dedicated camera button
Aluminium body/design (watch out for the battery cover, the film they apply at the factory is weak, but again, there are some sick tutorials out there to polish and clean it)
Cons:
800Mhz from the factory (not really a problem once you're rooted and etc with a custom rom and kernel, I have mine set at 1.3GHz)
No FFC (non-issue really, just another bell i'd like to have to make the phone complete)
Battery (Stock is weak, barely last me a day. Invest in a Mugen 1800mAh and you won't regret it)
Two tone front (would have preferred they keep the front all black or all silver, not both)
IMO, the Pros of this device kill the cons. Every con for the DZ has a fix or workaround for it. Most fixes cost less than $10 and only some of your time. Again, despite it's age, I would still recommend this if you are looking for a powerful phone with a hardware keyboard.

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And I've lost interest in the Sensation due to lack of rootability
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fyi:the sensation got root and s-off in the last couple of days. There's a guide for it here: Guide

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fyi:the sensation got root and s-off in the last couple of days. There's a guide for it here: Guide
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Oh really? hmm...last time i checked it was only temp-root! nevertheless, I still feel more 'drawn' towards the desire Z. Anyways, I'll see what happens. Thanks guys!

I personally wouldn't get invested into he DesireZ at this point in the year. It has been out for a long time (in the smartphone world) and I'd rather spend my money on a more current device with up-to-date specs that you'll get a longer relevant use out of.
Not to say that the DZ is a bad phone, but it definitely is fading in its spec relevance. The hinge is durable, but definitely not as solid as a flat slider type hinge. If you really don't need a keyboard though, you can do better for the $$.

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I personally wouldn't get invested into he DesireZ at this point in the year. It has been out for a long time (in the smartphone world) and I'd rather spend my money on a more current device with up-to-date specs that you'll get a longer relevant use out of.
Not to say that the DZ is a bad phone, but it definitely is fading in its spec relevance. The hinge is durable, but definitely not as solid as a flat slider type hinge. If you really don't need a keyboard though, you can do better for the $$.
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agree... if you have a really good deal then it might be a different story...
i got mine about 5 months ago... i can say it should be staying with me till the market got a new one with dual core and hardware keyboard...

If your in canada, id wait for the "milestone 3" that bell will be announcing shortly. (Droid3 but little different) or do what I'm doing and wait for rogers to release the samsung galaxy 2 slide, due out sometime this fall, it looks sick as hell google it there's leak photos already. But the dz is awesome I love it, but I would rather a more solid slide mechanism.
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All the negative hype about the z-hinge is completely overblown. I've been on here since December, and I think I've heard of one guy who broke the hinge. That is probably LESS failures than a more traditional slider-type keyboard.
Some people complain the hinge is too loose, but its designed to open and close with minimal effort. If you haven't already, try out the hinge in person, and see if you like how it works. Personally, I've had my DZ for about 8 months now. While I originally wished it stayed in the closed position a little tighter; its still as sturdy feeling as the day I got it. And I really don't think anymore about how "loose" the hinge is.

I only miss a front camera.
I love this device!
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The Z-Hinge is tougher than it's given credit for. I mean, you can go into any Best-Buy or Futureshop where phones are on display, and where all the slider phones are loosened up and beaten to crap, the Z-Hinge on the Desire Z always still works fine. I've had my phone for 4 months now, and the Z-Hinge is still just like it was the day I got it. Slightly loose, but that's by design, it's gotten no looser.

Thanks for posting this thread
This is just another reason to buy the desire z
Im gettin it next week!
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