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Trinity will get GPS !!

Just found official information that the Trinity will get GPS
See folowing link to the latest HTC brochure.
http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/products/HTC_PRODUCT_BROCHURE_V2_111006.pdf
Guess many of us are happy now

read the bulletin - "Standalone GPS" means an indipendent accessories that provide GPS connectivity... it will be available shortly, which is not a specially fresh news since standalone BT GPSs' have been on the market for a while now (Haicom etc)

its all a bit ambiguous - if you have a look at the way they write up the p3300 you see there choice of words is "standalone gps"

it doesn't matter, even without the GPS function i will still get a set

As we say in Germany : The one who can read has a clear advantage... Trinity will not have GPS on board, period. Xenov, first post, welcome, you are excused...

Lucas0511 said:
As we say in Germany : The one who can read has a clear advantage... Trinity will not have GPS on board, period. Xenov, first post, welcome, you are excused...
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Let's interpred the text this way: HTC will not praise their latest top notch product in the first line of text with "Standalone GPS" when in reality it is a separate GPS device. This is not like HTC.
When "standalone GPS" means a seperate GPS device, then this text would apply to all today's pocket PC's... and HTC would not use this phrase in the first line of text to praise their new pride...
Time will tell, let everyone judge for his/her own...

Mate, read carefully: The "standalone" GPS refers to the HTC 3300, and that is the HTC Artemis, not Trinity. But by now HTC boss Peter Chou must have understood that you are really keen on GPS ))
And as we say in Germany : Other mothers have beautiful daughters, too. Look at this baby, a competitor to HTC Artemis, with GPS:
http://www.etencorp.com/products/Communication/x500.php

IMHO the standalone perhaps means that they will release the HTC branded BT GPS module

Lucas0511 said:
Mate, read carefully: The "standalone" GPS refers to the HTC 3300, and that is the HTC Artemis, not Trinity. But by now HTC boss Peter Chou must have understood that you are really keen on GPS ))
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At both devices HTC mentiones "Standalone GPS": P3600 aka Trinity AND P3300 aka Artemis... Sorry but this is the way it is... can't change it

English - the worlds most ambiguous language......
Either HTC's marketing department is completely useless or they wanted us to stir up this debate for a reason (time for another paranoid pill)
or
we are all just kidding ourselves
(probably the latter)
inevitably only time will tell

What about letiting it mean that unlike the Artemis that comes with stand alone gps and program installed, Trinity will have stand alone gps, but without the program. So that you can choose whichever provider you like
Cheer up guys!!

If there would be GPS "in" the device, all those people testing the device would have noticed it for sure.

From what I read earlier, the GPS is already inside the device but it has not been activated as it conflicts with the Quad-band GSM chip. However, it is said there there will be a ROM upgrade in the future that would finally make the GPS module usable once the conflicts have been fixed.
From the PDF file, I would think that it supports the reports above. Reason being, for both the Trinity and Artemis, they are noted to have standalone GPS and we know for sure that the Artemis already has it.
I guess the reaon for them putting the * and saying that it would be available shortly for the Trinity is likely due to the reports where they are working on fixing the problem and would release a ROM upgrade to enable it in the future.
What do you guys think?

esackbauer said:
If there would be GPS "in" the device, all those people testing the device would have noticed it for sure.
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You might be right providing the GPS hardware is connected by software somehow.
The way I understand the situation is that the GPS unit is in the hardware, but not connected by software. Production of the hardware is running from mid october so the hardware won't change anymore.
The only way HTC can make the promised "standalone GPS available shortly", is by software update...

vapor said:
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What do you guys think?
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Agree....

Nice Trinity pics, even for those (like me) who do not understand Polish.
http://pdaclub.pl/view.php?news_id=11939

I guess you guys should check this this out; http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279546 for clarification.

ah a beauty! white version triumphs big time over the black version...
if theres so much conflict abt the GPS issue in the Trinity why cant HTC rectify the problem then release the Trinity with GPS or discard the Quad-band GSM chip n use another chip!?!?!?

Thanks for the piscs, really nice the white one.
Hope we can enjoy the GPS on a next ROM upgrade. The time is more close...

Being involved into GPS business, I can say that "standalone GPS" would mean "standalone GPS mode" an opposite to AGPS, or even DGPS/RTK (though I doubt the latter). Read e.g. here:
The resulting AGPS system boosts performance beyond that of the same receiver in a stand-alone mode.
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If it was an external unit, I'm sure it would be called as such with additional "optional" remark.

Rumors on Herald having built-in GPS

Hi everybody,
Today one of the Russian PDA forums was claiming Herald to have a built-in GPS (!!!) just like the one in Artemis. The only problem is that there's some contact needing to be soldered.
What do you think, is that possible?

Interesting )))) 4PDA ????

Please post more info

BackDraft said:
Interesting )))) 4PDA ????
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Yup. It was on 4PDA.

Biom Defiler said:
Yup. It was on 4PDA.
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I see )))))

gpsd possibility ??
Please send a link so we can take a look at this and research the possibility of gps.

this would be great, anyone can post a link so that we can view it and practive our russian.
best regards

any new informations?
it's a nice fact, my vpa compact 4 will come in 3 days

Wheres the link
Still waiting for the link on that gps coverage ?????

The source of the rumor is here.
But there is nothing more than was said already. Just a pure claim (speculation?), without any detalis.

The initial source says that he had heard it from a person who is an official HTC representative. No more no less. Blueprints unavailable.

I heard fm a newsgroup said that, Herald using the same radio chips as Trinity, which has GPS capability.
But the problem is, Herald doesn't have built-in GPS antenna. That may be what "soldering" needed

Herald and Trinity have different RF modules. Don't confuse it with TyTN, pls.
I've dissassembled Herald - there's no anything inside about GPS

Well.. i think every HTC has an build in GPS because the Herald uses EDGE. that's an sort of GPS so maybe if you search the internet for an edge gps converter, it will show up something promesing. but if you guys want me to contact the HTC company and ask them if the phone has an GPS, i'd do that. a friend of mine works at HTC. i can contact him.
Sry about my rubbish english. it's early in the morning.

^What?! I... wha... I'm gonna go smoke a blunt.

Even if it has GPS, where do you think we can put the antenna? I think Artemis and Herald are same from hardwer point of view.

that cant be true. in trinity there was antena and cpu with integrated gps chipset. in hermes there was same cpu with same chipset but there was no way to install antena and project was quit.
in artemis there is same cpu as in herald but this cpu is in wizard to for example (and in some smartphone) and gps isn't integrated. in artemis this is a standalone chipset which i cant find on my heralds motherboard.. and.. even if that chip is somewhere on our mb's it will not work at all because of lack of antenna.
and between gps and gprs (edge) there are "huge" diffrence...
"edge gps converter"?
and this as a bonus for them who dont belive me that omap850 doesnt have gps implementation. http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...lateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
sorry for my english :/

It was probably misread from here.
Such a large portfolio makes it difficult to differentiate individual models substantially. A quick look at the technical specifications will reveal many similarities with the HTC P3300 (Artemis) that we reviewed recently, although the devices look completely different. In short, take out the GPS module and the unique HTC RollR™ control, add a slider keyboard and voila: we can herald a new device.
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shift GPS

hi all
is it true the shift's GPS is blocked ?
can someone confirm ?
if so, what can be done to use TOMTOM on it ?
please advise
Thanks

Not blocked, just not there.

that blows ....
i was about to order one...
oh well, i guess ill just stick to my advantage x7500...
thanks.

By the way I'm using TomTom on my universal but I'm not comfortable to use TOMTOM. I have to enter specific information to use search function, even doesn't have that much result even I paid.
and Tomtom can't navigate to extra number of address like 85-89156 ****HWY.
only can navigate 85 ****hwy. and I Think tomtom's brain doesn't work well when it calculate the root.
I Have navtech for my ipaq, that's works so great. On the shift, even I have to buy a external battery pack or maybe SSD to extend battery life, I'm going to use navigation by microsoft on Vista for best result. cuz I'm use navigation for my job!
If before u buy tomtom, u should buy other one...

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=wOesPtnXP9o
Shift has a qualcomm 7200 inside and this is the same chip used by kaiser. This chip has gps inside, as you can see in documentation or in video. Once we can put wm6 full on it we wiil be able to install any navigator and make use ot if....

If the antenna is installed, that is....

I believe if you look at the exposed internal photos of the Shift on the FCC website, they clearly define a GPS antenna. I don't know that it means that it has GPS for sure but it points to that direction.

danielherrero said:
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=wOesPtnXP9o
Shift has a qualcomm 7200 inside and this is the same chip used by kaiser. This chip has gps inside, as you can see in documentation or in video. Once we can put wm6 full on it we wiil be able to install any navigator and make use ot if....
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I was under the impression the qualcom didnt make it to the final production model and that the Shift just has the one processor?

firedup said:
I was under the impression the qualcom didnt make it to the final production model and that the Shift just has the one processor?
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totally wrong impression
it has a full MSM7xxx inside

cmonex said:
totally wrong impression
it has a full MSM7xxx inside
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I cant see it mentioned in my documentation or on any of the UK websites selling it. Is this a deliberate omission to leave out the 2nd processor details?!? I've heard of them leaving out GPS functionality but the whole processor?

also had gps tools in the old test roms

firedup said:
I cant see it mentioned in my documentation or on any of the UK websites selling it. Is this a deliberate omission to leave out the 2nd processor details?!? I've heard of them leaving out GPS functionality but the whole processor?
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the ARM9 processor is just for the radio.
the ARM11 is the applications processor, i.e. for running WM and apps.
it's not dualcore in the sense an intel core 2 duo is.
edit: sorry i see now you meant the whole MSM is not mentioned. well that's easy to explain why... the WM6 side is supposed to be just a sideshow, so why mention the hardware specs for it.
it also has its own RAM, etc. etc.
if you heard of the dualcor prototype, well the HTC shift is like that. two full devices in one!

Anyone noticed there is a GPS section on the FAQ part of the HTC Shift site?
http://www.htc.com/www/Faq_detail.aspx?p_id=60&act=faq&cat=266

re
yea i noticed that too.... what gives? if theres gps in here why the hell don't they let us use it!! I love HTC but i hate the fact that the always "disable" key hardware or features, If you don't want the device to have it, don't tease us by putting it in the first place!!

datacrime said:
yea i noticed that too.... what gives? if theres gps in here why the hell don't they let us use it!! I love HTC but i hate the fact that the always "disable" key hardware or features, If you don't want the device to have it, don't tease us by putting it in the first place!!
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Well... Maybe they leave this GPS option open incase something cookes his own rom and then the GPS function is enabled.
HTC will then have the option to release a rom with GPS otherwise no one wants to use their original rom!

here some info.....http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,46fcc9e9-26e8-4c40-b262-58a5366cb587.aspx
so let's investigate.....

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expansys shows two versions of the shift, one with gps and one without. I think that htc is planning to release a gps version too, which will probably cost more too

I figured it couldn't hurt try a couple things after reading all the posts in this thread.
This what I tried so far.
I installed google maps for WM6
I copied over Telenav folder from my X7501
I copied the following files from the Windows directory on my X7501 to the Window dir. on my Shift.
TeleNavPlug.dll
GPSAux.dll.0409.mui
GPSAux.dll
After resetting I now have
Under Settings > system the External GPS appplication.
Telenav that starts up and seem to work but cannot find the GPS
Google maps tht works but cannot find the GPS.
I tried abunch of combinations of com port, access setting, etc in the External GPS application. I tried all the ones that worked on my X7501 and few other that didn't but no luck.
When I changed the access setting in the external GPS application it dose change the messages I am getting from google maps. Google maps seems to think there is GPS there but never gets any sat locks or times out trying to initialize the GPS (depends on the settings). I am using the shift in the same place my X7501 gets several sat locks.
Dose anyone else have any ideas I can try or know of any file I missed?
I know should probably wait for people smarter than I am to work on this but I figured I would give it a try...

Wlan for Pharos (Some common features of all OMAP 850 phones)

I thought it was so strange that when I scanned for bluetooth devices I picked up my (pc) internet modem (which is wireless enabled) so I thought bluetooth and wifi must share a lot of the same characteristics.
I was browsing for the latest Android developments and stumbled on the following
Please take a look at this page http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12000&contentId=4679
And this one http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12019&contentId=4635&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+OT+bluetooth
This seems to mean that FM Radio and WiFi is a standard feature of OMAP 850 chips and (for the touch owners look at this page http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12028&contentId=4636&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+OT+agps)
Seems If you have Bluetooth you also have wifi and possibly fm radio built in only lacking the drivers (no special wifi antenna is used in the omap 850 solution accoriding to TI)
It would seem that all we need is the right drivers and regsettings (so no new rom or radio rom should be needed)
Who can make it a working cab?

Woooooooooo!
Good news.

great job
if some solution, make me to buy one.
by the soft solution, strange story !no idea for none cost effective option. why do HTC designers make a 2008 PDA with no WiFi Option!

wow
wow...it might be dream come ture if it happens....please some body develop a driver for pharos Fm radio n wifi.....please buit up some regsettings......

This is a good information. Hope that we could make it work on our Pharos.

Good News... I hope who will make it soon because I don't understand about ARM work.

That is an awesome find man. I hope this info is used to get a wifi working ROM.
I thought it was some kind of cost saving to not include wifi, i.e. some missing hardware. If it's just a driver, that is the so friggen stupid! Why have such a great phone and then neuter it by taking away wifi? And the price is still just as high as the Artemis when it came out. The lack of wifi is the only thing that would keep me from buying one. Otherwise, it would be a great upgrade phone for me since I don't need nor have 3G with my service and and it has the cool flush screen that I wish my Artemis had.

someone knows if the touch dual then also could have the wifi option turned on by drivers? the touch normal has wifi, so i guess it should be possible.
anyone tried the drivers from the htc wizard? it also has a ti omap 850, so driver from such a rom could be coocked into the rom of other devices.

@VOODOOS!L
The touch dual uses the Qualcomm 7200 chipset. That chipset uses the arm926tesj as a co processor but i dont think its the full OMAP 850 chiset.
but there is a project for enabling niki wifi (started out as a project ot enabkle both wifi and gps)
@shawndh
Phone manufacterors do it all the time. Look at the Kaiser story, yes they have some great graphical chip (would be too expensive to make a different chiset with another graphical chip) so they just didnt include the drivers for it.
With some other phones like the touch HTC disabled the wifi in the radio rom... maybe some techies here could try to put an artemis radio rom in the pharos... but for none techies this would probably be an instant brick (thats why i didnt try it) tom_codon maybe you could say something about this....input would be apreciated.

Come to think of it, I remember that they had a crippled GPS radio or something in the TyTn I. The only reason I could think of for disabling wifi is so people who need wifi would buy the the Artemis. To be honest, if I had a choice btwn the two, I would get the Pharos over the Artemis if they both had wifi. Even so, it should still have wifi.

This ia a good news.
I'm waiting.

you know what... im giving up.
ive tried pm ing some guys working on the wifi on nike project, asking tomcodon. no response as yet and prolly not going to get one.
And tried to get qtopia and winlizard(gizard) working.
but in the linux world up is down, left is right, and smart is stupid. those people are (in dutch: contactgestoord) communicationally challenged. you cant find anything on their sites. there is no(or very little) documentation on how stuff works ...noone explains anything... so in order to learn linux you have to know it.
thats why m$ can afford to be so sucky: their competition sucks so much more
i said to the guys at irc #linzwizard hey thnx for the build, i can boot it too (gizard aka linwizard 0.3.0) but the touchscreen driver crashes.
he then said make a support request at sourceforge which i did (btw it isnt obvious how to .. it should be very simple. but hey... thats the linux way, isnt it) response was.. and this is a shocker.. your touchscreen driver doesnt work(.... grrreeeaat) you should disable it...(no description on how)

up for the rom with wifi for the pharos!
Thanks

Not to rain on anyone parade but from the first page from TI, it looks like to get wifi support you have to have a special chip in the phone(upper left corner) thats diferent that the chip to get wifi, so unless someone knows for sure that the WiLink chips are present, I think we are without wifi

Wait and see...
The only problem is... How long does it take to finalize such a ROM?
If it takes 1 yr, for example, I think I will have already changed to at least TouchHD..
Anyway, good news!

Hello! I have a HTC Pharos for one month. Yesterday, i accidentally have wetted phone by tea, and then i disassembled it for cleaning. Cleaning was finish sucсessfully, now phone is working
During disassembly of the device I have made some pictures. I think Wlan module is in the device. Look at the photo! Motherboard have many connectors for external antennas, and Wlan connector is on the board!
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos.jpg

thank you for the picture, its in a good resolution! but what would have made it more clear is if you would have looked for a specific Texas instruments chip with letter combinaton BRF or BL (there are 4 chips mentioned with a dual solution BL6450 BRF 6350 BRF6300 and BRF6150 last one is not good because its a bluetooth only chip) we should also be looking for TI chips with a WL designation and number 1271 1273 1251 1253
at least (BRF6300) - Bluetooth specification v2.0 + EDR single chip should be in the Pharos since we have that bluetooth spec.
in the picture i can make out the TWL3027 chip with extra designation BZQW (at least i think its that chip ... according to the ti site that would be the baseband chip but it doesnt describe on the site what the extra letters mean)http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12311&contentId=4706
[URL="http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12025&contentId=4645&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+OT+mwlan"]http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbugencontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12019&contentId=4635&DCMP=WTBU&HQS=Other+OT+bluetooth[/URL]
hope this is readable since i have a hangover

Kostyan could you post the other pics you made of the interior of the Pharos

avathar behemoth said:
thank you for the picture, its in a good resolution! but what would have made it more clear is if you would have looked for a specific Texas instruments chip with letter combinaton BRF or BL (there are 4 chips mentioned with a dual solution BL6450 BRF 6350 BRF6300 and BRF6150 last one is not good because its a bluetooth only chip) we should also be looking for TI chips with a WL designation and number 1271 1273 1251 1253
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Maybe this iron box is Wlan module?
http://flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos2.jpg
I may open this box, if it is requires for this research
And on this picture, front side of device it is found Wlan antenna? (if overwind board, supposed Wlan module with connector correspond (matched) to on position with Wlan antenna, and it connected with module)
http://flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos3.jpg

avathar behemoth said:
Kostyan could you post the other pics you made of the interior of the Pharos
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Of course, there is all photos:
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos2.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos3.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos4.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos5.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos6.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos7.jpg
http://www.flash-remont.narod.ru/pharos/pharos8.jpg

How to unlock GPS Baud rate field’s default setting on HTC Touch HD?

Hello! I’m new here and I have a problem with my HTC Touch HD’s GPS.
Because of a GPS lag of my HTC Touch HD PDA-Phone (Windows Mobile 6.1 OS), I asked advice of a HTC Europe representative, in order to improve GPS receiver performance, who has recommended to me to change (Start - Settings - System - External GPS – Hardware) Baud rate field value from 4800 (default) to 9600. I was impatient to apply this official recommendation, I selected the new value, saved the change by clicking “OK”, but … surprise! - After reopening of External GPS – Hardware, I saw that the new value wasn’t registered and the device seems to be locked to the previous value (4800). Also Hardware port field has the same behavior and seems to be locked to the default value: (None). I tried to do these changes even a hard reset, with several and also with no any navigation software installed on my device, but it was useless – the values still remain the same. HTC official, and also my telephony provider told me that they don’t lock GPS receiver’s settings.
Please, can anybody tell me:
- which registry key I have to change to make this fields editable, or
- maybe there is another way (except to follow the tutorial described here: http://blog.mohdimran.com/htc-touch-pro-gps-problem-tweaking, which I’ve already did… useless of course) to improve GPS performance?
Technical specifications: - GPS Chipset: Qualcomm gpsOne A-GPS
- Network: Vodafone (Europe)
Thank you in advance

The "hardware" tab in GPS configuration from start -> settings is broken on many windows mobile 6.0/6.1 devices. The only way to change those settings is to go to:
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers
You'll find "CurrentDriver" value there, which points to one of the subkeys.
If you want to use the builtin GPS receiver, the driver settings in the key pointed by "CurrentDriver" should be as follows:
InterfaceType = "POLL"
CommPort = "GPS0:"
PollInterval = 1000 (DWORD value)
There is no baud rate setting for builtin GPS receiver, but you can try experimenting with various PollInternal values. I don't think that would help a lot because GPS receivers are reporting GPS location once per second and poll-ing the device more often would not give you better GPS precision. But I can be wrong here.
If you're using external/bluetooth GPS receiver, you can point "CurrentDriver" to a subkey with values like these:
InterfaceType = "COMM"
CommPort = "COM3" (or whatever port you choose)
Baud = 4800 (DWORD value)
Regards

Thanks a lot for your promptitude
No, you aren’t wrong, because I’ve already tried several changes, for my builtin GPS receiver, in HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers\GPSOneDevice, which, at the beginning, looked like this
Default = (value not set)
CommPort = GPS0:
DriverName = GPS Device Driver
FriendlyName = QualComm GpsOne Card, version 0.0
InterfaceType = POLL
PollInterval = 1000 (this I’ve changed to 100)
Version = 2
and any change that I’ve done, didn’t improve GPS precision at all. As I said before, see this link: http://blog.mohdimran.com/htc-touch-pro-gps-problem-tweaking.
So, seems that things couldn’t be worse because, as I have supposed too, HTC and Vodafone have nothing to do with GPS Baud Rate field locking, but Windows Mobile HAS. Because it looks like it isn’t possible to change (which anyway will be useless, even if I could) Baud Rate field’s default value, please tell me
- maybe a new ROM (unofficial) after a HSPL or SSPL installation could improve GPS precision (I have already did the new official ROM upgrade from HTC, two months ago) and
- what is the best ROM in my case?
All the best

... or there is another way to fix this Windows Mobile 6.1 deficiency?
Best regards

… HTC representative suggested me that my device could be damaged or that this problem could appear from my GSM provider's CID (or SIM) locking. Yesterday I went to the store from where, four month ago, I bought my HTC Touch HD, willing to find out what could be the cause and if, on other brand-new, sealed up device (HTC Touch HD of course), GPS Baud rate’s value can be changed. The new device had the same behavior like mine!
So, on one hand, because it is hard to believe that all HTC devices from that store are damaged, the conclusion is that my device is working properly and, on the other hand, I looked up for an explanation that all Windows Mobile OS on HTC from that store have the same broken setting – I can’t still think at anything else but GSM provider SIM locking. Please tell me if could be this the cause of the Windows Mobile broken setting, because, in this case, I could resolve the problem by unlocking my HTC !?
Thank you

Hi, everybody
I’m back and I apologize if I’m bothering you with this problem again.
I asked a Microsoft representative about possibility to have a spoilt Hardware tab on several devices running WM 6.1 and I received this answer:
“Are you sure you have chosen the correct hardware port? That is the only thing I can think of that would affect that change unless your GPS does not support a higher setting.”
Does anybody know if builtin GPS receiver’s Baud rate of HTC Touch HD supports higher settings than 4800?
All the best

Please, could anybody try, on HTC Touch HD, to set a higher value than 4800 in Baud rate field and tell me if, after “External GPS – Hardware” reopening, the new value was registered?
Thanks a lot

geronimo98 said:
Please, could anybody try, on HTC Touch HD, to set a higher value than 4800 in Baud rate field and tell me if, after “External GPS – Hardware” reopening, the new value was registered?
Thanks a lot
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It doesn't, it always reverts to 4800.

Thank you very much
Seems that builtin GPS receiver doesn't support higher settings indeed!
So HTC representative was giving me a wrong solution for GPS's lack of precision.
Best regards

I think so, although weirdly if I use the HTC GPS App it lets you pick much higher BAUD rates, but these still don't "stick" in other apps or Windows itself
http://rapidshare.com/files/84815853/Nadavi_HTC_GPS_TOOL.cab

Thanks again, alltruism
It still remains the same problem with "Hardware port" field, which always returns to "(None)", although I picked other values in a previous step (as I said above).
It is important to me because I got a licence for Sprite Terminator and this work only if "Hardware port" is set to "COM0" or other value, except "(None)" and "COM4", which appears in "GPS program port".
Do you have same problem in “Hardware port” field too (like in “Baud rate” field)?
All the best

geronimo98 said:
Thanks again, alltruism
It still remains the same problem with "Hardware port" field, which always returns to "(None)", although I picked other values in a previous step (as I said above).
It is important to me because I got a licence for Sprite Terminator and this work only if "Hardware port" is set to "COM0" or other value, except "(None)" and "COM4", which appears in "GPS program port".
Do you have same problem in “Hardware port” field too (like in “Baud rate” field)?
All the best
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Yes, it always reverts to "none" immediately. I haven't tried unticking the "managed by windows" bit though

Hello
Thanks a lot
It doesn’t work
Several days ago I was wondering why HTC Europe representative recommended me to change some settings in "External GPS - Hardware" to make built-in Internal GPS to work faster??!
(Anyway, following this recommendation on Samsung Omnia, didn’t improve GPS precision at all!!)
Though, trying to do this, I noticed something else: these changes can't be made on HTC Blackstone (Touch HD), but on other PDA-Phones running WM 6.1 OS, as for instance Samsung Omnia i900, there are no problems doing these changes.
Thinking at this, it still remains the question: why some settings can be made on other devices running WM 6.1, but not on Blackstone?
Best regards

Hi
Please, other HTC phone owners, tell me if you have (or not) same problems with your Blackstone or other HTC model?
Thanks a lot

I have an HTC Touch Pro and I have exactly the same problem as you

cant change it in the kaisers either... its pretty well none in the kaiser section.

Thank you all
Few days ago I received this answer from HTC Europe, which is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than what they told me several weeks ago:
“The reason why you can not change GPS hardware port and baud rate values is because you use the built-in GPS, which has got its own hardware port and baud rate values set up as factory settings.”
Now I have official confirmation that Blackstone’s built-in GPS receiver CAN’T DO MORE than 4800 transfer speed.
Because my PDA Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox N500, with a MUCH WORSE configuration than HTC Touch HD, is incredibly precise and provides a REAL TIME position, but has a SIRF Star III GPS, I can conclude that SIRF Star III GPS receivers are much better than those on Blackstone. Don’t you think?
All the best

Hi Geronimo,
I've also noticed this on my Blackstone when trying to configure the "GPS hardware port" & "Baud Rate" under "Settings>External GPS".
Yes I'd agree that the built in GPS is not as good as the SIRF Star III GPS. When I'm in my car I actually use my old external bluetooth GPS which certainly works better.
Great work in following up with HTC to confirm this information.
Best Regards,
David.

Hi guys,
I have a HTC HD and I'm having this same inssue that I can't resolve. I read all your answers and anything solves my problem.
I made already all configurations (well... I think yes ) and nothing results.
Basically neither NDrive neither TomTom can find GPG on my HD
If somebody can help me I'll apreciate.
Thanks

4800 baud is the NMEA standard, a consumer GPS unit will transfer around 80 characters every second, so 4800 baud is easily fast enough to cope. There's no need for anything faster, it won't improve the performance of the GPS in any way.