so I was just wondering how are we going to alt-s or alt-w our androids now that the new ones wont have physical keyboards.
bmnaccounts said:
so I was just wondering how are we going to alt-s or alt-w our androids now that the new ones wont have physical keyboards.
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new recovery images use trackball as well
alapapa said:
new recovery images use trackball as well
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while this is true. It's not gonna be fun when some of us drop down to a console while in recovery mode. (ie. upgrade_fs for upgrading ext2 -> ext3 on cyan's recovery image
The keyboards are multi-touch on the new model
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The keyboards are multi-touch on the new model
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yeah but not in recovery console mode, its gonna suck
dont mean to sound negative... but i read on haykuro's twitter that the Hero has a newer SPL, "perfected" as he calls it, which he says is un-rootable..
we will see how things go with that....
just check the twitter to validate my info
doubleokneegro said:
dont mean to sound negative... but i read on haykuro's twitter that the Hero has a newer SPL, "perfected" as he calls it, which he says is un-rootable..
we will see how things go with that....
just check the twitter to validate my info
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Nothing in unrootable. Maybe it will take longer but I'm pretty sure it will be done. Not taking anything away from Haykuro but yeah nothing is perfect.
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so I was just wondering how are we going to alt-s or alt-w our androids now that the new ones wont have physical keyboards.
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You can use the volume keys to select the option on the recovery screen, then press the trackball button to select that option. You can do this on the G1 or myTouch (Magic).
Lou2serious said:
The keyboards are multi-touch on the new model
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myTouch does not have multi-touch, though with that kind of name you'd expect it to...
i did not know that about the volume keys good to know.
and there is no thing as a pick safe lock, locks are rated it terms of hours. as in how many hours it will take to pick, so it goes with rom's to.
cidica said:
Nothing in unrootable. Maybe it will take longer but I'm pretty sure it will be done. Not taking anything away from Haykuro but yeah nothing is perfect.
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If you read his twitter it says it's not rootable (until further notice).
Also, it's the Hero that has real multi-touch.
cidica said:
Nothing in unrootable. Maybe it will take longer but I'm pretty sure it will be done. Not taking anything away from Haykuro but yeah nothing is perfect.
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Yep. Microsoft's 360 console was supposed to be unhackable as well. It didn't take long
we have found a way to hack any and all electronics in existance, the phone is rootable it might just need a newer mind to take a look. people get into their heads that things can only be done a certain way, there is always another way to do it. to name a few
ALL HTC PHONES
Sony PSP
PS3
Xbox 360
iPhone
mac computers
linux computers
windows computers
i don't think i need to go on, everything is hackable and can be messed with, sometimes it just takes a little more work and a different approach.
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i did not know that about the volume keys good to know.
and there is no thing as a pick safe lock, locks are rated it terms of hours. as in how many hours it will take to pick, so it goes with rom's to.
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... someone's been watching Mythbusters....
-bZj
down8 said:
... someone's been watching Mythbusters....
-bZj
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Or it could be that some people have that common knowledge? I knew it from buying a safe.
In any case, it really makes me wonder why phone companies bother with lock downs. Sure, some of the general public won't bother trying, but how much money is invested in locking us from root and then lost when a 16 year old kid cracks it?
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Yep. Microsoft's 360 console was supposed to be unhackable as well. It didn't take long
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Microshaft doesn't exactly have a strong track record when it comes to security....
Unlike Linux, which Android *IS*.
That being said, rooting ANY Android device is *easy*. Just not necessarily through the conventional back doors.
If you can read and write the chips, you can very easily make any modifications you like into the root filesystem, which can include adding an 'su' command. Only problem with this is that it generally requires a hardware approach, which is beyond the scope of the average user... who probably shouldn't be messing with root anyways.
I do, however, feel a bit of a letdown in this issue though. The unfortunate thing is that the carriers still are trying to call the shots (and generally succeeding due to popular ignorance). I would like to see this change -- there was once a time when you bought your land phone from the phone company and this is not so any more. Right now, most people are still buying their mobile phone from the phone company, even though it isn't necessary. I would definitely like to see more dealers for non-carrier-specific cell phones, and to have them show up in popular places. I would like to see these sold at places like walmart and radio shack so that you can just walk in and buy a phone with no strings attached.
There are a few reasons why I opted for an ADP1...
1) no contract,
2) no controls,
3) no carrier,
I bought it outright, its mine, and I can do what I like with it. People who are interested in the freedom of an unrestricted device should opt for this approach. ADP1 is STILL AVAILABLE, and there is not much about the new devices that improves on it.. sure I admit that having a little more ram would be nice, but the keyboard sure makes up for it. Yes, the majority of devices can be converted into an unrestricted device, but it just isn't right that you would have to hack it.
Sorry for the offtopic, but show me someone booting ISOs on PS3
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Sorry for the offtopic, but show me someone booting ISOs on PS3
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maybe not ISOs, but it's still been 'hacked' with home-brew firmwares etc.
http://www.ps3-hacks.com/forums/
not exactly
lbcoder said:
Microshaft doesn't exactly have a strong track record when it comes to security....
Unlike Linux, which Android *IS*.
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well at the last hacker convention windows vista was not hacked until many third-party apps were involved, linux was hacked long before that. i'm not saying that linux is unsecure because it is very secure in the since that you can't do much if you hack my computer. any real threat would have to have the root password and to get that you would need a keylogger
lbcoder said:
but it just isn't right that you would have to hack it.
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hacking the phone is half the fun. i get phones that can be hacked just cause i like to see what they can do.
tubaking182 said:
hacking the phone is half the fun. i get phones that can be hacked just cause i like to see what they can do.
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Exactly...trying to get the most out of a phone "IS" the fun part! Why do you think we're all in this forum
tubaking182 said:
well at the last hacker convention windows vista was not hacked until many third-party apps were involved, linux was hacked long before that. i'm not saying that linux is unsecure because it is very secure in the since that you can't do much if you hack my computer. any real threat would have to have the root password and to get that you would need a keylogger
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Dude, vista was hacked before it was even released.
And fyi; hacked = got root. Guessing at some user's password doesn't count. Hacking some particular server (i.e. Apache) doesn't count since it is run jailed (unless the admin is an idiot) and therefore won't let you get root. There have been a VERY FEW true root compromises for Linux, each and every one has been patched within hours (if not minutes) of it being identified, and due to the differing culture around linux, it is a matter of extreme pride to publicly identify security issues, i.e. if you legitimately hack linux, you are most likely going to take full credit for it using your REAL NAME and probably even provide a patch at the same time. Hack windoze though and you release under a fake name using a secure proxy in russia or china, otherwise MS will sue your a$$ until you die of starvation either through judgement or through legal expenses.
In Linux, you are a hero for identifying a security hole and helping to bring the whole thing closer to perfection.
In windoze, you are a criminal for pointing out the ineptitude of MS.
Related
So I was browsing the registry the other day, to see if any improvements could be enabled, no, actually I was looking for some hidden storage. Sometimes HTC phones have an additional storage, but it's hidden. But I found some additional 20mb. Don't know where it is used for.
To enable it, go to:
[HKLM]\System\StorageManager\Profiles\EXT_Pinet and set MountHidden value to 0 (zero) A soft reset may be required, in order to let it show up in your file explorer.
Anyway, I actually was searching for some 8gb om hidden internal storage to tripple confirm that the HD2 was WM7 compatible, as based on some leaked hardware req. for WM7. but... i could not found it.
WM7 does not need 8GB, it needs only 512MB. Don't believe the bull**** you read somewhere, all the bloggers have no clue.
TRUTH, Im so sick of hearin these bs specs spread around the forum
window mobile 7 only need 512mb not 8gb (even window xp on a computer does not need that mach of memory)
Dude... that reg change screwed my phone badly.
DONT change it.
I have to hard reset!
I can't trust xda anymore ..... you have no idea how much work is ahead of me... restoring everything back.
You just cost me 2 days of work!!!!
lorin.bute said:
Dude... that reg change screwed my phone badly.
DONT change it.
I have to hard reset!
I can't trust xda anymore ..... you have no idea how much work is ahead of me... restoring everything back.
You just cost me 2 days of work!!!!
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srry, i can't surpress a smile... it was not my intention, i hope you realize that, but, the reg edit works for me. hard reset my device often.
lorin.bute said:
Dude... that reg change screwed my phone badly.
DONT change it.
I have to hard reset!
I can't trust xda anymore ..... you have no idea how much work is ahead of me... restoring everything back.
You just cost me 2 days of work!!!!
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Its only your fault, how can u trust him when he wrote: "...Don't know where it is used for..."
Good luck with restoring your settings.
i can confirm that on mine this works. i put stuff in it, reset, and the data remains. phone seems unaffected.
Man, bigger the game bigger the risk!
On my previous two HTC devices I was keen to explore each patch/new rom/new app. Hence weekly hard resets
Now with my Leo, I'm much calmer as I don't have anymore the time you spent reinstalling everything.
Good luck exploring further
This is the last time i do these kind of changes and the last time i trust an unverified reg change.
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This is the last time i do these kind of changes and the last time i trust an unverified reg change.
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Man, if you hang around xda-developers and apply tweaks and suff, it's kinda naive to belive you're not gonna have to hard reset from time to time.
And who is crying if you are not going to apply any tweaks anymore?
arxx said:
Man, if you hang around xda-developers and apply tweaks and suff, it's kinda naive to belive you're not gonna have to hard reset from time to time.
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This rather reminds me of the attitude that if someone is mugged and has their phone stolen then it is entirely the fault of the victim for using the phone in a public place. (My own, contrasting, view is that it is more appropriate to assign blame to the mugger).
Perhaps it is naive to assume that people will not recommend a tweak without first verifying that it doesn't break anything serious; but, if so, that's a pretty sad reflection on the mentality of the average XDA poster, IMO. Would it not be preferable to encourage people to verify the effects of a change before recommending it - to the extent that such verification becomes expected rather than exceptional? Should we not encourage people to take some responsibility for their recommendations rather than blaming all damage that results on the victim?
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Do you also regard it as "naive" to believe that one can use a mobile phone outside a train station without being mugged and having it stolen? And when such a mugging occurs, do you feel that the person to blame for what happened is the victim rather than the mugger?
Perhaps it is naive to assume that people will not recommend a tweak without first verifying that it doesn't break anything serious; but, if so, that's a pretty sad reflection on the mentality of the average XDA poster, IMO. Would it not be preferable to encourage people to verify the effects of a change before recommending it - to the extent that such verification becomes expected rather than exceptional? Should we not encourage people to take some responsibility for their recommendations rather than blaming all damage that results on the victim?
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This was a poor comparison. If you lay the phone at a bench, and going to the toilet, yes, it's a naive thing to do.
(I regret on my participation in this thread)
Shasarak said:
This rather reminds me of the attitude that if someone is mugged and has their phone stolen then it is entirely the fault of the victim for using the phone in a public place. (My own, contrasting, view is that it is more appropriate to assign blame to the mugger).
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lol - that is a bit different isn't it! It's not as if the mugger thought they were giving good advice, but unfortunately ended up attacking someone and stealing from them. Intention makes that a very different scenario.
In this instance, there's immediately 2 people saying that the advice worked for them, so nothing could have been done either by the recommender, or the listener. If lorin.brute had left it a few posts before applying the change then he would have seen people say it worked for them and gone ahead and done it. If hyellow had asked a couple of people to test it for him then the exact same thing could have happened.
I think this is just unfortunate.
Personally, I'm on the side that if you do something then you're responsible. If your passenger told you to drive really fast and turn the steering wheel really quickly because it's funny, would you just do it, or show caution.
(There you go - I've used an excessive analogy now too )
We don't need to argue here. I blame myself. Anybody can come here and post any kind of reg change.
Its just a lesson that needs to be learned.
Although, in the spirit of XDA, i would expect some rigorous testing of the reg before posting.
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Would it not be preferable to encourage people to verify the effects of a change before recommending it - to the extent that such verification becomes expected rather than exceptional?
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True but I think that at the same time people should also use common sense and do a full system back up (with Sprite or whatever their preferred programme is) "just in case". Then it's just hard reset and 5 minutes to restore to how it was.
arxx said:
Man, if you hang around xda-developers and apply tweaks and suff, it's kinda naive to belive you're not gonna have to hard reset from time to time.
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Really? Haven't had to hard reset my HD2 yet, in 7 months didn't have to hard reset my X1 either. If you're judicious I think you can generally avoid hard resets.
johncmolyneux said:
Personally, I'm on the side that if you do something then you're responsible. If your passenger told you to drive really fast and turn the steering wheel really quickly because it's funny, would you just do it, or show caution.
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The problem with that analogy is that, if I'm driving a car, that implies that I have a fair idea of what the consequences of driving too fast will be. In this case we are talking about someone offering advice to people who are not qualified to understand the nature of the risk they are taking by following it.
A better analogy would be that it's like offering someone some cake when you know there is signfificant risk that it will contain razor blades. You yourself may deal with razor-blade-containing cake on a daily basis, and so you know to carefully sift through it with a spoon before biting; but people who are accustomed to cake that doesn't contain razor blades simply aren't aware that you need to do this. If you assume that the person you give the cake to is aware that it may contain razor blades without bothering to verify that he is, and he ends up getting lacerated, then you are far more to blame for the injury than he is. What you should do in that situation, of course, is actually check whether the cake contains razor blades or not before offering it to anybody; that way it's guaranteed that no one will get hurt, regardless of whether they are familiar with razor blade cake procedures or not. And it is not appropriate to point at the man with the lacerated mouth and accuse him of being "naive" because, when you offered him cake, he assumed that meant it was safe to eat.
I'm not getting in an analogy war with someone, especially someone on the forum that I respect, so I'll drop it. We obviously just see this from different perspectives, and I believe we should agree to disagree
Anyway, lorin.brute himself said it best...
lorin.brute said:
We don't need to argue here. I blame myself. Anybody can come here and post any kind of reg change.
Its just a lesson that needs to be learned.
Although, in the spirit of XDA, i would expect some rigorous testing of the reg before posting.
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See - we're both right lol
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A better analogy would be that it's like offering someone some cake when you know there is signfificant risk that it will contain razor blades.
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Not quite, The OP didn't have any problem after applying the tweak, and nor did the following two people, so why would they 'know' it was dangerous? After three posts 100% of people had found no problem, so why would anyone assume it was going to go bad?
Anyone know what this link is about?
http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=198480
I'm unable to connect to the server...saw it in google news...
Even if it was true, current handsets wouldn't be able to make use of it, as there are too many buttons.
I was wondering... what is the problem with having more buttons? If we had less, I could have understood that it represented a problem, but if there are more... I don't see how that could bother such a high-end OS. Can`t the remaining buttons simply be mapped to do ordinary stuff? Or in the worst case, can`t they simply be rendered useless?
anrabi4 said:
I was wondering... what is the problem with having more buttons? If we had less, I could have understood that it represented a problem, but if there are more... I don't see how that could bother such a high-end OS. Can`t the remaining buttons simply be mapped to do ordinary stuff? Or in the worst case, can`t they simply be rendered useless?
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Thats what I thought too, but every single piece of info I can see on WinPhone 7 (including the development guides) is that there are only mappings for a particular layout of buttons.
I'm guessing these are mapped to particular ASCII codes or something, almost certainly different ones to the button codes on the HD2 at current (not sure how easy it is to change these, maybe hardware driver level?).
Here is what i do not get about the buttons. Why not leave the answer and hangup buttons out of the equasion? they serve a simple purpose. they have the 3 middle buttons for the stupid os controls.
i saw that today, i have the link http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=198480
why would this be a lie? i want to change my software to android but seems like too much hassle. i download it but the screen stayed black.
andyjm said:
why would this be a lie?
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Its looking to be more and more like a viral style advert for selling the HD2 judging by all the "deals" links all over it.
andyjm said:
why would this be a lie?
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lmao! what a sugar coated world you live in.
ha ha sugar coated i wish it wasn't a lie cus the software on this phone is ****e.
heh, four or so more months and the first wp7 phones will start being announced. (unless they stick to MS's usual schedule of being put back again and again)
Still, there'l never be another OS as tweakable as this, from here on out its gonna be locked down and locked in all teh way.
any chance you can instruct me how to install android on my phone samuel?
andyjm said:
any chance you can instruct me how to install android on my phone samuel?
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no, sorry, never done it.
andyjm said:
any chance you can instruct me how to install android on my phone samuel?
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Follow this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380
I'm about to buy a Samsung Galaxy S Phone and I want to know the following:
- how easy is it to root it (I'm very new to this, currently on HD2 and I've been running Android from it)
- how is the phone behaving?
- how easy is it to customize it?
- will the PS3 jailbreak work on it?
- how's the battery life?
- how are the picture/video quality?
- how's screen sensitivity/typing messages/emails on it?
Please be very honest on your answers, I'd hate to buy it and sell it two days after that because I won't like it.
Thank you very much for taking the time to reply.
1) use the search!
2) go back to 1
3) go back to 2
...
you get the point?
anyways, to sastify your lazyness to search
- too easy, just download the app
- perfect! according to my standards, others might say otherwise
- as easy as any other android phones
- no such thing as jail break, this is not an iphone, not applicable
- ok, depending on your usage, personally i need like 2 battery packs to last 24hr due my heavy usage
- excellent as a media center
- super sensible, some times you can just pass the finger on top, and it will trigger the action
so wont like the SGS, it's too good for you get an iphone4 instead then come back to the SGS
AllGamer said:
1) use the search!
2) go back to 1
3) go back to 2
...
you get the point?
anyways, to sastify your lazyness to search
- too easy, just download the app
- perfect! according to my standards, others might say otherwise
- as easy as any other android phones
- no such thing as jail break, this is not an iphone, not applicable
- ok, depending on your usage, personally i need like 2 battery packs to last 24hr due my heavy usage
- excellent as a media center
- super sensible, some times you can just pass the finger on top, and it will trigger the action
so wont like the SGS, it's too good for you get an iphone4 instead then come back to the SGS
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Thanks for your reply. I didn't wanted to search as people could just reply here with their experience based on my questions.
- about the jailbreak, if you haven't heard it yet, the Playstation 3 has been jailbreaked and you can achieve this with Android phones as well...HTC HD2 port included. I wanted to know if there's something going on for SGS as well.
Thanks again.
it is not called jailbreak
the proper name in Android, it's called ROOT as in Linux root su
don't use jailbreak as that is only applicable to iphones
AllGamer said:
it is not called jailbreak
the proper name in Android, it's called ROOT as in Linux root su
don't use jailbreak as that is only applicable to iphones
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Why don't you really read what I'm posting man...I refer to Playstation 3 jailbreak using an Android smartphone...
I know that for Android is ROOT and jailbreak is for iPhone but it's also for Playstation 3.
AFAIK there hasn't been any released packages for the SGS to unlock the PS3, specially because the SGS is not very friendly when it comes to acting as a Mass Storage device, which is part of the requirement to do the PS3 unlocking
Why the hostility dude? He's just asking some basic questions, yes they can be answered if he spent his evening trawling through hundreds of threads but even then he'd only get a fragmented idea of the current situation of the device. Wasn't the PS3 jailbreak patched anyway? ;p
DrBarrell said:
Why the hostility dude? He's just asking some basic questions, yes they can be answered if he spent his evening trawling through hundreds of threads but even then he'd only get a fragmented idea of the current situation of the device. Wasn't the PS3 jailbreak patched anyway? ;p
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it's not hostility it's in the sticky
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=777604
if i was being hostile, why would i even have bothered to answer at all, don't you think?
Thank you both!
Can you let me know if by rooting your phone you're loosing warranty? Are there any ways to get back to "factory state" if you'd want to take the phone to warranty?
some sort of HSPL for winmobile or something?
digitalhater said:
Thank you both!
Can you let me know if by rooting your phone you're loosing warranty? Are there any ways to get back to "factory state" if you'd want to take the phone to warranty?
some sort of HSPL for winmobile or something?
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ofc you loose warranty, just like with any other phone.
Just flash a new stock firmware and click re-partition if you have to hand it in some place. should remove any trace of it.
Sony's already put out a firmware update to stop "jailbreaking", so I doubt it will be possible once your PS3 has hooked up to the net and updated itself.
digitalhater said:
Thank you both!
Can you let me know if by rooting your phone you're loosing warranty? Are there any ways to get back to "factory state" if you'd want to take the phone to warranty?
some sort of HSPL for winmobile or something?
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both rooting and unlocking can be undone easily, to not void warranty
So.. what is stopping us from brute forcing the encryption keys on the Atrix? Forgive me if this is ignorant.. but I know of things like [email protected] that utilize a network to work on solving complex things.. The biggest gripe that I have, and I know that a lot of people have, with the Atrix is that it's going to come with the encrypted bootloader (the docks are silly, just get a netbook and tether it after rooting , but thats irrelavent).
I'm sure people would contribute their computers to a cause like this, and with a brute force method between even hundreds of computers looking for an encryption key probably wouldn't take.. that long?
If each phone has a unique encryption key then I guess that this is a useless approach, but I thought I'd throw the idea out.
Joe
There's a project working to crack the keys on the milestone, but it can take a rediculous amount of computing power.
Sent from my Captivate using XDA App
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but it can take a rediculous amount of computing power.
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And by ridiculous he means years worth of time.
However, don't get depressed, there is a good chance that the Atrix has only a locked and not encrypted bootloader. I wrote a more detailed discussion in this post if you are interested in reading more.
I'm no genius but couldn't XDA develop some sort of distributed computing program and get that done FAST.
I'd leave every computer I had running... GPU's+CPU's that's like 10-20ghz 24hrs a day from just me.
Dumb Idea??
NonovUrbizniz said:
I'm no genius but couldn't XDA develop some sort of distributed computing program and get that done FAST.
I'd leave every computer I had running... GPU's+CPU's that's like 10-20ghz 24hrs a day from just me.
Dumb Idea??
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That was along the idea that I had (folding at home is a program that distributes the load across a large network of computers). So a "ridiculous amount of time" could be decrypted in just a few days if we got even 100 people to participate. The problem in this case is making an application that would be capable of distributing this load.
However, I guess the most important thing is going to be seeing if the bootloader is encrypted or not..
You guys aren't getting how much time it will really take, they use a 1024bit key, that's enough possibilities to have computers cranking for BILLIONS of YEARS.
I just put 2^1024 into a calculator, divided by 100,000,000,000 for a theoretical 100Tflop supercomputer (pretty easy to do with something like BOINC), and assuming the best case scenario that it will actually test 100 billion keys a second.
Then I divided by 3600 (seconds in an hour), divided again by 24 (hours in a day), divided again by 365 (days in a year)
and ended up with:
156,176,644,814,042,999,149,422,203,351,770,599,516,445,391,302,508,511,493,218,518,829,302,867,438,735,781,097,061,916,038,037,447,110,777,605,658,652,684,262,264,122,384,866,885,440,334,201,600,119,084,711,517,142,307,834,199,910,062,604,876,532,708,949,388,959,330,629,821,630,916,124,690,444,964,365,909,692,174,466,876,583,089,353,285,751,864,871,369,654,465,126,125,462,803,375 years
In short, we need a way to get around the encryption another way, like what happened with the PS3, an error in the implementation, or a leaked key from someone inside motorola.
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You guys aren't getting how much time it will really take, they use a 1024bit key, that's enough possibilities to have computers cranking for BILLIONS of YEARS.
I just put 2^1024 into a calculator, divided by 100,000,000,000 for a theoretical 100Tflop supercomputer (pretty easy to do with something like BOINC), and assuming the best case scenario that it will actually test 100 billion keys a second.
Then I divided by 3600 (seconds in an hour), divided again by 24 (hours in a day), divided again by 365 (days in a year)
and ended up with:
156,176,644,814,042,999,149,422,203,351,770,599,516,445,391,302,508,511,493,218,518,829,302,867,438,735,781,097,061,916,038,037,447,110,777,605,658,652,684,262,264,122,384,866,885,440,334,201,600,119,084,711,517,142,307,834,199,910,062,604,876,532,708,949,388,959,330,629,821,630,916,124,690,444,964,365,909,692,174,466,876,583,089,353,285,751,864,871,369,654,465,126,125,462,803,375 years
In short, we need a way to get around the encryption another way, like what happened with the PS3, an error in the implementation, or a leaked key from someone inside motorola.
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well ****.
miztic said:
In short, we need a way to get around the encryption another way, like what happened with the PS3, an error in the implementation, or a leaked key from someone inside motorola.
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Or motorola actually pull a smart one and start some kinda dev program that will let you have the keys after signing some kinda agreement.
They would get massive PR/loyalty points from me if they did something like that, I'd not only be recommending all their stuff to everyone I know, I would never buy anything else as long as they make nice hardware.
Imagine what we could do with these phones without having to waste time getting around the stupid 'locks'.
Are you talking about this eFuse thing? The encrypted bootloader?
That's part of the OMAP-SoC as used in the DroidX.
AFAIK the Tegra does not have this "feature", so the bootloader might be locked, but not encrypted.
TinyRK said:
Are you talking about this eFuse thing? The encrypted bootloader?
That's part of the OMAP-SoC as used in the DroidX.
AFAIK the Tegra does not have this "feature", so the bootloader might be locked, but not encrypted.
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Yeah I heard the same thing. I really we get some confirmation in the next few days.
have you checked the developer category? the atrix was dumped today
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You guys aren't getting how much time it will really take, they use a 1024bit key, that's enough possibilities to have computers cranking for BILLIONS of YEARS.
I just put 2^1024 into a calculator, divided by 100,000,000,000 for a theoretical 100Tflop supercomputer (pretty easy to do with something like BOINC), and assuming the best case scenario that it will actually test 100 billion keys a second.
Then I divided by 3600 (seconds in an hour), divided again by 24 (hours in a day), divided again by 365 (days in a year)
and ended up with:
156,176,644,814,042,999,149,422,203,351,770,599,516,445,391,302,508,511,493,218,518,829,302,867,438,735,781,097,061,916,038,037,447,110,777,605,658,652,684,262,264,122,384,866,885,440,334,201,600,119,084,711,517,142,307,834,199,910,062,604,876,532,708,949,388,959,330,629,821,630,916,124,690,444,964,365,909,692,174,466,876,583,089,353,285,751,864,871,369,654,465,126,125,462,803,375 years
In short, we need a way to get around the encryption another way, like what happened with the PS3, an error in the implementation, or a leaked key from someone inside motorola.
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So you're saying there's a chance.
GatorRuss said:
So you're saying there's a chance.
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Lol...reminds me of the one in a million chance from dumb and dumber
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seanfinn said:
Lol...reminds me of the one in a million chance from dumb and dumber
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That's what I was going for.
Its Rooted at least!!! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=960336
Boot loader still locked but...Design Gear was able to extract the kernel and ramdisk from the boot.img __________________
So where does this stand? can we dowload an app to run on our PC's to help contribute some computing power?
Any news if the bootloader is actually encrypted?
We fired an employee yesterday, and when he returned his phone we discovered that it is pattern-locked. I need to get around the lock to see if he has any important company data stored on his phone...
Is there any way to do this on the Shift?
Factory wipe would get rid of anything on his phone, try sliding the keyboard open to wake the phone, I know sometimes that got around the pattern lock back on my moment, never used the pattern lock on this phone, sorry.
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ovalprocess said:
We fired an employee yesterday, and when he returned his phone we discovered that it is pattern-locked. I need to get around the lock to see if he has any important company data stored on his phone...
Is there any way to do this on the Shift?
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Well first off, any important data would be stored on the SD card.
Doing a factory wipe would wipe what is on the phone, not the SD card. Nothing would really be on the phone though unless you want to dig around in his text messages.
Actually, I DO want to dig around in his text messages. I work for an IT consulting firm, and I need to know if he was communicating to clients via text.
ovalprocess said:
Actually, I DO want to dig around in his text messages. I work for an IT consulting firm, and I need to know if he was communicating to clients via text.
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You might have to contact Sprint for a record of those. I don't know of any way to get around the pattern lock.
If he enabled USB debugging, you will be able to get at a lot of stuff with adb... including the text message database.
ovalprocess said:
We fired an employee yesterday, and when he returned his phone we discovered that it is pattern-locked. I need to get around the lock to see if he has any important company data stored on his phone...
Is there any way to do this on the Shift?
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ovalprocess said:
Actually, I DO want to dig around in his text messages. I work for an IT consulting firm, and I need to know if he was communicating to clients via text.
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Just call the guy you fired and ask him for the password. Sounds to me like the simple and adult solution. Who cares if his feeling are hurt or it will be awkward, its like turning in the office keys when you leave.
+1 Could've been a simple oversight on his part.
ovalprocess said:
Actually, I DO want to dig around in his text messages. I work for an IT consulting firm, and I need to know if he was communicating to clients via text.
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Kind of seems ironic that he can't break the code since he works for an IT firm.
lvpre said:
Kind of seems ironic that he can't break the code since he works for an IT firm.
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Totally ironic. Try ADB?
lvpre said:
Kind of seems ironic that he can't break the code since he works for an IT firm.
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Not really, information technology != software security
That's like saying it's ironic that a mechanical engineer can't make his own electronic circuit board
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Not really, information technology != software security
That's like saying it's ironic that a mechanical engineer can't make his own electronic circuit board
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No, it actually is ironic and also hilarious.
It's more like a mechanic that doesn't know how to rebuild a transmission.
--Sysadmin/IT professional/Tech Support professional of 10+ years.
edit: Then again, it's not a bad question, but you have to admit it's a bit ironic.
riggsandroid said:
Just call the guy you fired and ask him for the password. Sounds to me like the simple and adult solution. Who cares if his feeling are hurt or it will be awkward, its like turning in the office keys when you leave.
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This times a million.
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No, it actually is ironic and also hilarious.
It's more like a mechanic that doesn't know how to rebuild a transmission.
--Sysadmin/IT professional/Tech Support professional of 10+ years.
edit: Then again, it's not a bad question, but you have to admit it's a bit ironic.
This times a million.
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Actually, judging how many combinations you can do with the pattern lock, it would take a quite while to figure out the right combination since there's literally thousands of doable combinations that have to be done manually (afaik) not automated by a script. It isn't ironic at all. Why waste the time? I wouldn't want to bang my head against a wall when the solution is a simple phone call away. And I've been doing IT as long as you have.
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Actually, judging how many combinations you can do with the pattern lock, it would take a quite while to figure out the right combination since there's literally thousands of doable combinations that have to be done manually (afaik) not automated by a script. It isn't ironic at all. Why waste the time? I wouldn't want to bang my head against a wall when the solution is a simple phone call away. And I've been doing IT as long as you have.
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I wasn't talking about the validity of the question at all. It's a great question.. since nobody seems to know the answer I would just suggest taking out the battery and seeing if you can boot into recovery and mounting it via USB if USB debugging is enabled and/or messing with ADB on the phone..
Also, why is this company giving their employees Android phones and not Blackberries? Blackberries can be controlled via BES. Maybe it's just a husband trying to hack his wife's phone?
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I wasn't talking about the validity of the question at all. It's a great question.. since nobody seems to know the answer I would just suggest taking out the battery and seeing if you can boot into recovery and mounting it via USB if USB debugging is enabled and/or messing with ADB on the phone..
Also, why is this company giving their employees Android phones and not Blackberries? Blackberries can be controlled via BES. Maybe it's just a husband trying to hack his wife's phone?
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My last job was using Droid Incredibles. Android phones can be controlled via Exchange ActiveSync security policies. I personally did it at my last job to **** with this guy that was an annoying asshole. Made it so he had to enter his AD password whenever he wanted to unlock his phone and I'd data wipe his phone weekly. He'd ask me about it and I'd tell him it's security policy. I had him convinced that everyone was having the same thing done when they weren't.
Honestly: If I knew the answer I wouldn't tell you. Bypassing someone's security is not the kind of information you should be able to get from XDA.
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Sounds more like a jealous boyfriend wants to look at his girls texts.
You gotta admit, it sounds plausible....
I know how to accomplish this, and it is actually quite simple, but I would never share this with some a***ole employer that wants to spy on their employees.
cloverdale said:
I know how to accomplish this, and it is actually quite simple, but I would never share this with some a***ole employer that wants to spy on their employees.
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Then why waste the time to post here and talk **** to some guy who might be actually telling the truth and needs to get work info off that phone?
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e240 said:
Then why waste the time to post here and talk **** to some guy who might be actually telling the truth and needs to get work info off that phone?
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You don't think the whole story is fishy? The way I see it, he has two obvious options:
1. Call the employee. Ask for the pattern.
2. If he refuses, call the cops.
The fact that he is not doing either of these indicates that he does not have a legitimate reason for wanting the info.
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