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I noticed they answered a lot of questions which have been asked here aswell:
What's the in-call sound quality like?
In-call the X1 is ok. There's plenty of volume from the speaker meaning that I don't need to have it set to maximum. The speaker itself is also reasonably good.
What is the actual RAM in the device?
The X1 has 384 MB RAM but you'll note that the device information screen says 256MB. This is because the X1 also has an additional 128MB RAM that's only accessible to the CPU/3D chip.
What is the Spb Panel like?
There's a version of Spb Mobile Shell pre-installed on the X1. I'm sure fans of mobile shell will like this version but I still prefer TouchFlo.
How much free memory available on the device with Panels running and with Panels turned off?
With just the standard Windows Mobile screen in use it's showing as having 137MB free, this amount only seems to vary by a few MB with the moste complex panels loaded.
Black or Silver? Which one do you think is best?
I personally prefer the black.
How is the speed switching between portrait and landscape with active panels?
Depends on the panel that you have open at the time. Some panels have more on them so take a little longer to rotate. I personally do think it's too big a deal, half a second perhaps.
How is the sound output quality of the media player? Is it good enough to use high-end headphones with, and how does it compare with more music-oriented phones like the iPhone or Nokia 5800?
I've got some fairly expensive headphones that I've been using with the X1. The audio quality is really quite good, I'm certainly happy with it. I can't really choose between the X1 and my Sony Walkman MP3 player in this respect.
How well does the FM radio work? How is its reception in areas with weak signals?
I live in an area which is very poor for radio and phone coverage. With the Touch Diamond, I am unable to pick up and FM Radio service but on the X1 I can pick up a few of the local stations. What I also like about the X1 is that you can play the radio through the phone's loudspeaker, although you still have to have the headphones connected as an aerial.
How well does it hold on to cellular signals during calls?
As I said above, I live in an area that's really poor for phone coverage and all the networks are bad. The X1 shows 1 to 2 bars of coverage on Orange where the Touch Pro and the Touch Diamond get no reception at all. Definitely better than the Touch devices in that respect but nowhere near as good as a basic Nokia handset!
Is the hardware fast enough to cope with several applications in the background?
Have been opening and closing applications all day, playing music and videos, browsing the internet using Opera and playing with MSN and emails. Seems ok to me, haven't really noticed a slow down due to the apps that I am running.
How quickly does using GPS, 3G/HSDPA and Wi-Fi drain the battery?
Very difficult to comment on the battery life at this early stage but it looks like being better than the Diamond and on par with, if not better than, the Touch Pro. There is a bigger battery on the X1 so perhaps no surprise that it would last longer. Once I settle down and use it during the week I'll be in a better position to comment.
Full article here:
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php
Thx, for sharing. But still think Silver looks better
Finally!!! A couple of us asked 'em these question a couple of days back at http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs...ony-ericsson-xperia-x1-delayed-again#comments.
Finally!!!
So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
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Battery life is "on par with, if not better than the Touch Pro"... Its battery is 160 mAh more, and they guaranteed you can put it through heavy usage and not have to charge more than once at night. The Touch Pro can't do that.
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So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
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Black, Matt says: "I personally do think it's [not] too big a deal, half a second perhaps."
Half a second to me is not bad. Furthermore, in videos i have seen, only one animation can seem a bit slow at times, but not that slow either, so let it go.
Furthermore... signals are better than HTC Touch.
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So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
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Another thing, Matt also says: "Have been opening and closing applications all day, playing music and videos, browsing the internet using Opera and playing with MSN and emails. Seems ok to me, haven't really noticed a slow down due to the apps that I am running."
Overall the phone is great in terms of Speed and performance. A slight lag on heavier panels - from half a second to a second - is not that slow either.
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Black, Matt says: "I personally do think it's [not] too big a deal, half a second perhaps."
Half a second to me is not bad. Furthermore, in videos i have seen, only one animation can seem a bit slow at times, but not that slow either, so let it go.
Furthermore... signals are better than HTC Touch.
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Yes it lags sometimes - but I have used many many WM devices and this by far the quickest yet overall. The only thing coming close would be the Samsung SGHI-780 - but I couldn´t stand the small screen. And the quality of the X1 makes so you don´t wanna stop using it Its so sexy on the desk so you can´t stop touching it
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Battery life is "on par with, if not better than the Touch Pro"... Its battery is 160 mAh more, and they guaranteed you can put it through heavy usage and not have to charge more than once at night. The Touch Pro can't do that.
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You only quoted part of his statement: "Very difficult to comment on the battery life at this early stage but it looks like being better than the Diamond and on par with, if not better than, the Touch Pro. There is a bigger battery on the X1 so perhaps no surprise that it would last longer. Once I settle down and use it during the week I'll be in a better position to comment"
He says that it'll probably last longer than the battery on Touch Pro, but he doesn't comment for sure at this point as he'll need to use it more and confirm.
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Yes it lags sometimes - but I have used many many WM devices and this by far the quickest yet overall. The only thing coming close would be the Samsung SGHI-780 - but I couldn´t stand the small screen. And the quality of the X1 makes so you don´t wanna stop using it Its so sexy on the desk so you can´t stop touching it
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Lol! Now i simply can't wait to get my hands on it. Oh how i wish it was launched here in Pakistan or in Dubai...
He does confirm one thing thought, that with Xperia you'll end up using the stylus more than you would on Touch Pro. In TP one normally only requires the stylus when inside the windows system, and that too doesn't really require a stylus. I'm guessing - as someone tweaked their Xperia - that we can increase font-size a bit to come over this problem and make Xperia more touch-friendly eventually.
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Lol! Now i simply can't wait to get my hands on it. Oh how i wish it was launched here in Pakistan or in Dubai...
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Even my wife that hates WM devices and loves her Iphone finds it sexy and good looking This is my first WM device that she has played with so I guess her Iphone soon is up for sale
So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
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I'm curious as how can he says that; and then secondly I'm very curious as to why SE dedicated 128MB of RAM for the graphics; allow me to requote what I'm thinking here
5. allocating a 128 MB of RAM into X1's gpu is not so logical since even in the days of geforce 2 desktop gpus, gpus with 64 MB of RAM already support and capable of displaying 3D up to 2 MP (1600*1200) display! It will be hard for me to believe that all these smartphones of this generation need more than 64 MB of VRAM, since they would only render 'primitive' 3D apps (which is quite equivalent to 3D PC games in the geforce 2 era).
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adding a 'huge' VRAM won't make a difference in X1 if it (the addition) aimed as a performance booster, what will make differences is software optimalization such as drivers, not adding more VRAM.
Or, is WM that bad in 3D?
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I'm curious as how can he says that; and then secondly I'm very curious as to why SE dedicated 128MB of RAM for the graphics; allow me to requote what I'm thinking here
adding a 'huge' VRAM won't make a difference in X1 if it (the addition) aimed as a performance booster, what will make differences is software optimalization such as drivers, not adding more VRAM.
Or, is WM that bad in 3D?
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I also can´t understand how they could dedicate 128 MB to the graphics if it is true - it sounds like a overkill. But I am happy either way - the phone is quick and nice
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So it's confirmed then, 256 RAM for system memory and 128MB for graphics usage... And according to people who have them it still lags a bit at the panel interface. Go Sony Ericsson!
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Remember RAM doesnt always make things faster. It just helps with multitasking and storing data for quick retrieval later. You can give an IGP in a computer a gig of RAM and it'll still be horribly slow.
Anyway, I'm not sure if we can take their word about the dedicated VRAM. After all... they did say it was dedicated to the CPU/3D chip, which makes no sense unless they meant GPU?
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I also can´t understand how they could dedicate 128 MB to the graphics if it is true - it sounds like a overkill. But I am happy either way - the phone is quick and nice
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Its actually dedicated for both the CPU and the GPU, where the other 256MB is for applications etc. Its really not that hard to understand. The comparison with old Geforce2 doesn't make any sense either. They are very different pieces of hardware. As for dedication, it makes a lot of sense. While I don't think the X1 is going to be anything advanced in mobile phone gaming, the allotted ram should make for smoother playback on DVD quality videos. That might otherwise drain the system resources relying completely on software and application RAM to run.
Its actually dedicated for both the CPU and the GPU
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where did you get that? This is the first time I heard something like that for a phone.
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where did you get that? This is the first time I heard something like that for a phone.
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The guy who reviewed it said this. If you read the article in post#1
re read again that article, the reviewer said CPU or 3D not both
besides, my question also valid toward that article, where did he get that? Did he open the phone and looked into the RAM chips or what?
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Is this true? I don’t think Matt can know this (128MB RAM for CPU/3D) by the normal review. Is there any ways for end users to check/confirm?
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This question has been placed to him already and hopefully we'll get a reply soon. In my opinion, he meant to write GPU/3D chip and not CPU.
I am pretty certain that this is the case - that the 3D chip has 128 MB - especially when SE guys have been claiming overall RAM to be 384.
And in front of hundreds of android devs they stated their reasoning for not supporting it is because there is no hardware that properly supports it. The Dream panel for eg has a flawed method of multi-touch (this qwe know).
So there it is. Until the hardware comes out, no multi-touch for you.
Cheers
Leon
Regarding custom firmware: one of the google panelists, whose name escapes me, would be happy to see being able to load custom firmware and factory firmware alongside each other.. interesting to see.
And most important of all XDA developers got a shout out by the panel though they are worried we may be returning bricked phones to stores under warranty.
The real reason is that apple holds patent on this multitouch stuff and google don't wanna pay for this.
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The real reason is that apple holds patent on this multitouch stuff and google don't wanna pay for this.
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about that the pre is still coming out and the main reason is because they share board members thats bad and good for business as they would not want to effect there pay checks ar apple
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The real reason is that apple holds patent on this multitouch stuff and google don't wanna pay for this.
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Mind showing proof?
http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/01/26/apple-awarded-multi-touch-patent/
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http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT7479949
I highly doubt apples magic gesture patent would hold water in a court of law. It seems almost like a flexing of muscles, by a frightened body-builder who is in no shape to fight the competition.
patent laws are pretty cut and dry. this is what happens when a google ceo is on apples board of directors
I think Android doesn't really need multitouch. JF's multitouch browser is nowhere near as good as say, the iPhone's Multitouch implementation. I liked the look of that Circular Zoom that was demoed on the Magic a while back.
The Android team has already said if someone makes a public API for it, they will consider adding it to the official release. At the moment, the multi-touch JF et al have are more hacks then anything else. The Android team (probably) don't have the time to add full blown multi-touch support + api.
Afaik, Apple's patent is for specific gestures only, but it would never hold up if contested. MS has been showing off surface well before iPhone and there have been other people working on multi-touch for years now.
Even if this was implemented into the G1, it would still be to slow to run on this thing. Heck , it has a hard time running the browser alone.
i agree that the wheel zoom on the magic that was demoed months ago is cool. i also agree we dont need multi touch zoom or any other type as long as we have what we do now. i like the implentation thus far. still think its shady that we have people in both companies on the board of directors, CORRUPTION starts here. (lets hope not).
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i agree that the wheel zoom on the magic that was demoed months ago is cool. i also agree we dont need multi touch zoom or any other type as long as we have what we do now. i like the implentation thus far. still think its shady that we have people in both companies on the board of directors, CORRUPTION starts here. (lets hope not).
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Agreed to competing companies should not be in bed together there getting investigated now for this that another reason why they come out with stuff for apple before andriod
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Even if this was implemented into the G1, it would still be to slow to run on this thing. Heck , it has a hard time running the browser alone.
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Well I read that the iPhone 3G's internal processor speed is only at 412 MHz. Whereas, the G1 is 245-384 (depending on load) and you can overclock it to it's superior speed of 528MHz (which is what it's advertised at)
Also the iPhone holds 128MB of memory.. I believe the G1 has 192MB (i think.. I may be wrong)
I don't see why it would be that much slower. Mine doesnt have a hard time running the browser at all
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Mine doesnt have a hard time running the browser at all
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But you weren't downloading porn in your browser ...
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Also the iPhone holds 128MB of memory.. I believe the G1 has 192MB (i think.. I may be wrong)
I don't see why it would be that much slower. Mine doesnt have a hard time running the browser at all
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Actually 192 is correct, but misleading: Half of this is actually reserved for the radio! The most the Linux kernel EVER CAN SEE, is 93 megabytes! This is the real problem with the G1 and Magic right now; too many apps running (or the memory hogging browser) and the non-foreground one(s) get terminated due to lack of memory.
Ever wonder why your ConnectBot session dies? Why StreamFurious may randomly stop while browsing? This is why!
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Well I read that the iPhone 3G's internal processor speed is only at 412 MHz. Whereas, the G1 is 245-384 (depending on load) and you can overclock it to it's superior speed of 528MHz (which is what it's advertised at)
Also the iPhone holds 128MB of memory.. I believe the G1 has 192MB (i think.. I may be wrong)
I don't see why it would be that much slower. Mine doesnt have a hard time running the browser at all
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But iPhone has Gigs of memory for apps and the rest.
Also, I thought their CPU was actually a 620 MHz ARM underclocked to 412 MHz.
While I agree that multitouch would be a bit useless in the browser, there are many application possibilities that would benefit from the use of multitouch. I'd love to have tap tap revolution playing on my G1, just not possible without multitouch.
Also the g1 is runs apps behind a vm while the iphone apps are compiled to run directly on the processor, or at least how i understand it.
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Also the g1 is runs apps behind a vm while the iphone apps are compiled to run directly on the processor, or at least how i understand it.
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Thats the tradeoff android made to support multi platforms.
One thing that bugs me is that no matter what ROM you use, or what graphics patches etc you use, the HD2 still lags a little. I mean: COME ON....1 Ghz processor, 448/576 MB Ram....512 Rom....why can't this device make use of all the power that is laying inside this beast? I payed quite a bit for it, PAYG, and yes, I agree it IS a fantastic phone, and in my eyes a certain iPhone killer (My iPhone fanboy friends now worship the HD2 mwahaha) But still...even the Teeter game lags sometimes, as do menus when scrolled. I've tried everything, Chainfire's program made a nice difference to be sure, but still the device is not perfect, yet alone NEAR perfect... -_-
Electopia runs slow sometimes too.
All I want is a device with no lag...I want a device that works beautifully and smoothly..The HD2 certainly isn't cheap. That said...I think it's the most wonderful phone in the world at the moment
It just needs certain things which are missing
It's not a problem of the device .. it's problem of OS. In WM many tasks run at once. Applications unload seconds after they are closed. In such environment you just can't have all the speed all the time.
My first PDA was Palm V. It had 16Mhz CPU (IIRC). Sure, it did not have any funky animations, and only BW screen .. but it was blazing fast. Not to mention later models, like T5, which had almost 500Mhz.
Even iPhone has half what HD2 has .. and every time I click something it startles me how fast the reaction is. It almost looks like the phone reacts before I touch it.
WM simply has different concept. Both Palm OS and iPhone OS are single task systems, oriented toward fast interactive single application.
In my opinion yeah, you don't really need full multitasking on pocket device. I have no problem with that, and I hate not knowing what's going on in the device. But HD2 really plays it cool .. just don't expect miracles.
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One thing that bugs me is that no matter what ROM you use, or what graphics patches etc you use, the HD2 still lags a little. I mean: COME ON....1 Ghz processor, 448/576 MB Ram....512 Rom....why can't this device make use of all the power that is laying inside this beast? I payed quite a bit for it, PAYG, and yes, I agree it IS a fantastic phone, and in my eyes a certain iPhone killer (My iPhone fanboy friends now worship the HD2 mwahaha) But still...even the Teeter game lags sometimes, as do menus when scrolled. I've tried everything, Chainfire's program made a nice difference to be sure, but still the device is not perfect, yet alone NEAR perfect... -_-
Electopia runs slow sometimes too.
All I want is a device with no lag...I want a device that works beautifully and smoothly..The HD2 certainly isn't cheap. That said...I think it's the most wonderful phone in the world at the moment
It just needs certain things which are missing
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all the lag is windows issues wm6.5 is crap ,i never heared about a phone os needs minimum 256 ram to begin to run smoothly (not full) even windows xp run on 256 ram very good ,all the problem is in the wm6 build and code it is crap sh**ty and needs more ram than ordinary desktop operating system needs
Ahhhh I see! Thanks for explaining. So this new Windows 7 Mobile series...I suppose that will discontinue Multitasking in favour of a speedier overall UI experiance, with single-tasking? In one way, that's a plus. However...I might miss the Multitasking abilities...Guess you can't have the best of both worlds
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Ahhhh I see! Thanks for explaining. So this new Windows 7 Mobile series...I suppose that will discontinue Multitasking in favour of a speedier overall UI experiance, with single-tasking? In one way, that's a plus. However...I might miss the Multitasking abilities...Guess you can't have the best of both worlds
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single tasking will make hd2 incridabely fast with all of its ram and processor power which will be needed to run only one program at the time
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all the lag is windows issues wm6.5 is crap ,i never heared about a phone os needs minimum 256 ram to begin to run smoothly (not full) even windows xp run on 256 ram very good ,all the problem is in the wm6 build and code it is crap sh**ty and needs more ram than ordinary desktop operating system needs
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Very true...my dad's desktop 7 years ago was a Hewlett Packard with 1 Ghz Pentium processor, 128mb graphics card and 256 mb ram. THAT ran Win XP without lag..Hell, it could even play Descent 3 and D3 Mercenary at a playable smooth framerate in 640x480 res...I think there's something MS aren't doing right with the WM 6 OS...In task manager, you have like 15 different processors...it's like Windows on a pocket sized device (Which IS what WinMo is) but I think these separate background processes etc cause A LOT of the lag issues etc
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It would be BLAZING fast And imagine it actually closed down all the other processes or paused them except the phone connectivity...and it actually used ALL of its power on that one app...it'd be like lightning...
....but rubbish when you needed to check something online and couldn't have your tv stream playing in the background. I'd rather have a little lag!
I agree there are moments when multitasking is useful. But they really are rare.
Actually I'm not really decided which is way to go. HD2 is fine.
Yeah, the menu animations are not fluent all the time .. but IMHO menu animations are stupid and useless CPU/battery/time eater in the first place.
Other than occasional hiccups of the menu animations I never had a problem with HD2. Well .. if you don't try to sort windows folder in file explorer by type .. but that's not architecture problem anyway.
What bothers me more about multitasking system is that with my previous X1, I several times woke up with phone dead, zero battery. Something just was running there, and I didn't know. Actually .. foreground application can do that too .. but the feeling of uneasiness simply is here.
My old Palms were great .. but that was not time of constant online access, video streaming, social networks, position tracking and so on. Phones/PDAs today simply do a lot of thinks at once. But it should be manageable .. and with WM it almost is not.
I had been having ALOT of trouble with scrolling in text messages as well as websites absolutely sucking, and always jumping around when i wasnt touching the screen. I noticed in another forum that people who were having this problem (including me) have almost constant 3g data connections (the light in the tool bar is always lit). Initially I tried rebooting, and using advanced task kill to see if i could kill whatever the data hog was, but it didnt help.
I then discovered that by going to the settings in advanced task killer and setting security to low, that by killing everything (aka the tons of htc.* crap) that my 3g light no longer was lit like a christmas tree, and that scrolling actually worked. Everything on this phone seems snappier now, but maybe that is just a placebo effect. Either way im just happy I can actually read my older text messages again Give it a try if you cant scroll. Maybe someone wiser than I can figure what specific app is ****ing up the data connection. I dont think it is anything I installed, since I was already killing those with the normal security settings.
P.s. **** htc. If I wasn't stuck on my parent's plan I would jump ship on this p.o.s.
Root and remove the ****.
Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
Yeah, root and remove the sprint crap. I even removed Sense UI, and I have never had a lag problem. Even using 'overclock widget' to downscale dramatically when the phone is "turned off ".
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Jump ship to what? This phone has the best hardware specs of any US device to date...
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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other than the screen size and 4g it's got the same specs as phones that came out months ago.
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HDMI, 8mp rear camera, front camera, and kickstand are the reasons I got it. Not screen size or 4g.
The only phone with similar specs (out right now) is the N900. It lacks the HDMI, has lower mp cameras (but they are likely better), has the outstanding 32gb of internal storage, and is every bit as hackable. Unfortunately, Nokia has essentially abandoned that phone otherwise I would be all over it.
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Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Cool story.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
www DOT gsmarena DOT com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s-review-478.php[/url]
Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Samsung isn't the manufacturer you want to go to if you are upset with HTC's build quality (Samsung's current Android phone hardware track record is extremely checkered).
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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spiicytuna said:
I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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THIS. Sorry if this comes off as rude but seriously, it's getting tiring hearing people try to say this phone sucks and rubbing it in EVO owners' faces. It's a great phone even despite its downfalls. There are plenty of us who don't have all of the glaring problems. If you want a Galaxy S or a Droid X or a Droid 2 or a Droid Incredible then stop wasting your own time visitng the EVO forum and return your phone already. I swear, it's like people need to justify the fact that they bought something that they ultimately ended up not liking.
Point blank: If you don't like the phone and you want to return it, then DO it, instead of declaring it in every post and trying to rain on satisfied customers' parade.
As to the actual topic:
I'll try this in a second. I wasn't really having much lag or scrolling issues in the first place though. I think some EVOs are just defective.
I do have a question though: Did anyone notice that the amount of touch/scrolling lag seems to depend on the app that you're using? For example when I scroll in the app menu, it lags quite a bit before it starts scrolling. But in Handcent and Touiteur, I barely have any lag at all. The scrolling is also smoother in those apps as opposed to, say, the Engadget app which has some highly noticeable jerkiness to the text when you scroll really slow.
Is this an issue that the developers of the app control?
Edit: I did notice that things were a wee bit snappier accross the board but scrolling still seems about the same for me.
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I frequent 3-4 boards and I'll never get why people must rub in everyones face how the "EVO sucks" and how they're going to "return it". IF I was going to return my phone I wouldn't waste anymore time in forums, MUCH less take the time to tell everyone how much the EVO sux.
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I'm of the belief that people come to these forums because they do have an attachment to the EVO, and while they are upset about something, they are looking for reasons to keep the phone.
They want convincing evidence that they were correct in making the decision to purchase the EVO.
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You should see the Samsung Galaxy S videos and benchmarks. It's got the Evo beat pretty much everywhere.
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Btw, I have 2 Evo's, they are going back before the 30 days is up.
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Where does it have the Evo beat????
from the link you so kindly provided....
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* Quad-band GSM and tri-band 3G support
* 7.2 Mbps HSDPA and 5.76 Mbps HSUPA support
* 4" 16M-color Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen of WVGA (480 x 800 pixel) resolution
* Android OS v2.1 with TouchWiz 3.0 UI customization
* 1GHz Cortex A8 Hummingbird CPU; 512 MB of RAM
* 5 MP autofocus camera with face, smile and blink detection
* 720p HD video recording at 30fps
* Wi-Fi 802.11 b, g and n support
* GPS with A-GPS connectivity; Digital compass
* 8/16GB internal storage, microSD slot
* Accelerometer and proximity sensor
* Standard 3.5 mm audio jack
* microUSB port (charging) and stereo Bluetooth v3.0
* Stereo FM radio with RDS
* 1500 mAh Li-Ion battery
* Great audio quality
* Slim waistline at only 9.9mm thickness
* Document editor
* File manager comes preinstalled
* Secondary video-call camera
* Swype predictive text input
* Excellent choice of preinstalled applications
Main disadvantages
* No free GPS navigation solution
* No Flash support for the web browser
* No flash for the camera
* No dedicated camera key
* The all-plastic body is a real fingerprint magnet
* Feeble loudspeaker
Only thing it has is its internal storage which means nothing to me, I have 2 16GB, and 3 or 4 8GB cards. Space is erroneous in this day and age. Oh, and the Super AMOLED screen. That i have no argument for, even though its the same resolution, but .3" smaller.... And no word on a Froyo update for it yet. Awesome!
So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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As for lag, I have none. However, my phone wasnt stock for very long. I have removed Rosie, and all the Sprint apps. I use LauncherPro Beta for my home replacement. I have OC Widget set to underclock when the screen is off, and have AutoKiller running at 'Extreme' (I think since we have so much ram the lesser presets dont really do much). Also with my setup Im sure i could go at least 12 hours off the charger with moderate to heavy use.
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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All you guys who say your Evo has no lag: I have a friend who also has and Evo and swears there is no touch/scroll lag on it at all... I checked it out, it's 100% there. Later that day, I played around with his MacBook Pro - same thing. The mouse is lagging 0.1-0.2 seconds behind my movement... I guess his claim of "no lag at all" was simply because he's used to it on his computer
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up? Because my Evo runs flawless. I know there are better setups than mine, even an overclocked one, but I like how my phone is and truthfully there is NO lag. Not when scrolling, nor on the keyboard (which is where i usually noticed lag on my Hero, even when it was overclocked).
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I'm running froyo v8 and there is no lag.
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So yeah... I feel like you're kidding yourself.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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His Macbook Pro lags? One, i doubt that, and two are you saying that those of us "claiming" not to have lag are just making it up?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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You are forgetting the hummingbird processor which is more powerful than the snapdragon in the evo. Internal storage is important when the memory card is under the battery. As you said, the screen is better than the evo's 65k color screen. It also doesn't have the 30fps limit "feature". You are fooling yourself if you don't think the galaxy s is at least a competitive phone, if not better.
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Weird, I thought 1ghz, and 1ghz were the same regardless of the maker... And i said storage is erroneous to ME. Also, if i need sixty billion colors i'll watch a blu ray on my HDTV.... not while trying to browse the web on a 4 inch display.... Also i never said it wouldnt be a competitor...
Quick question where can i check out one of these Galaxy phones? Thats right there not available. So until they come out and everyone has had a chance to play with it and find its flaws, just like the Evo and every other electronic device trying to live up to its own hype, then we shall see who is competing with who.
EDIT: Also if we are just comparing specs, then why not throw the HD2 in the ring? Should that be a competitor too?
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Yes, his MacBook Pro lags, but only the mouse tracking, not the whole system... tho I ended up fixing it by installing appropriate drivers and now mouse is as snappy as any other Windows based computer. now he DOES see the difference
No, I'm not saying that all make up those claims, not at all... just saying not all those "claims" are true, as was the case with my friend's Evo.
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Ahh ok. I was going to say... My Blackbook is over two years old and still runs like a beast, but that could be the 4GB of RAM and the 7200rpm HD.
For the record though, mine arent claims, and i seriously believe that if Sprint didnt load all those crappy apps, and HTC would optimize Sense no one would have lag. With out the Sprint apps or Sense UI how could this phone not be blazing fast. I cant wait to play with a fully functional Froyo ROM. The improvements should yield a user noticeable difference.
I am seriously fed up with ram being too low on this mobile....for example playing nova and then just coming back to check text message and the game crashes not to mention touch wiz crashes too.... I miss gs2 where there were no such problems... I just hope that gs4 will have atleast 2gb ram...i always have just 100 mb free... I have got about 90 games and apps on my mobile ...its also silly when people say free ram is wasted ram that's so wrong... I have an iPad 3 and I Always have 720 mb free memory as per sbsettings menu...I wish we had this much in sgs3....
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this is what i mean by less ram c how the game crashed when one goes to the browser and then back to game on SGS3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm77JNMJTvk
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Comparison of Multitasking on ipad 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLq0wdacr1Q
I'm not getting any crashes at all
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though im not a hardcore gamer like you but i do play Nova/Shadowgun/Asphalt once in awhile with many backround apps running/downloading. No crashes for me so far... are you rooted?
Poop?
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after playing nova 3 for half an hour, go back to home screen open browser go to xda page browse for 5 mins then again go to the game and let me know if it crashes or not...don't get me wrong I absolutely adore gs3 but less ram does have an impact .. M on stock rom no root...
u should seriously learn about/what RAM is all about. RAM FUNCTIONS BETTER AT FULL CAPACITY
Free ram is wasted ram. Repeating what you are sick of hearing because it's true. Ios and Android use different memory management so you aren't really comparing apples for apples (excuse the pun). Ios has horrible memory management, if you don't close your apps before opening new ones the memory fills up and the phone slows down. Maybe I'm wrong and they fixed it in the 4s but it was a problem for some time.
I play angry birds, temple run, and gun brothers. I have 102 apps, TouchWiz hasn't crashed once and the phone only lags if I'm doing very intensive stuff like restoring 102 apps with titanium backup.
I've said it in other threads and I'm sticking by my opinion that your problems are almost certainly caused by something other than lack of ram.
This is Samsung's flagship phone, it's currently the most desirable phone on the market, would Samsung really be dumb enough to engineer an iPhone killer that lags like poop because it hasn't got enough ram? No, they put 1gb in it because it's all the phone needs.
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Deal with it....it is what it is, you knew it had 1gb of ram when you bought the damn phone! So you have no valid reason to complain!!
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Im experiencing no crashes i played nova fir about 30 mins browsed checked xda then played all is still good?
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Free RAM is not wasted RAM.
At a certain point of used ram your system will lag.
Check this post, linked from this thread which gives a nice solution to experiment the best RAM management you can decide for yourself.
Guys u r missing the point ... the phone does not lag .. its the multitasking which is the problem with having less ram...i will post a video to show what i mean
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Free RAM is not wasted RAM.
At a certain point of used ram your system will lag.
Check this post, linked from this thread which gives a nice solution to experiment the best RAM management you can decide for yourself.
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Of course it's wasted.....would you pay for 1gb of ram for your pc and not use it??
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Here is the video of the problem of having less ram ... once u playing the game and decide to go to browser and then go back to find the game has crashed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm77JNMJTvk
maybe thats a issue with the game not resuming not the phone.
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Here is the video of the problem of having less ram ... once u playing the game and decide to go to browser and then go back to find the game has crashed...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm77JNMJTvk
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To be honest, that video seemed to demonstrate a very nice transition from the game to the browser and from the browser back to the game. Looks like the game itself doesn't respond well to the switch.
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To be honest, that video seemed to demonstrate a very nice transition from the game to the browser and from the browser back to the game. Looks like the game itself doesn't respond well to the switch.
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Thats my point too the sgs3 is blazingly fast but the multitasking is not upto par with sgs2 nor ipad3 ... i will post a vid of multitask on ipad 3 just for the sake of comparison...
Light multitasking is very much possible with sgs3 but m only concerned with heavy multitasking....
Fanboys will always spout technical rubbish to defend their products and ignore the fact that tech facts or no, the phone is not working as intended.
If you want to run 2 3 4 or 5 apps in memory and multitask between them, you need enough RAM to do it. If your ram is full, and you try and run another app, the one before it will be closed, hence no multitasking. IF the operating system was smaller, so the useful apps filled the memory, the full ram thing would be fine, but it uses most the ram leaving nothing for anything else.
People come on and admit it, SGS3 needs more RAM, in fact the SGS2 reloaded the home screen from time to time too and so does the One X, but the SGS3 uses almost all it's RAM just for core apps leaving nothing for the juicy ones.
Custom Roms, Checkrom and Foxhound both eliminate (to my testing so far), the Nova home screen reloading, but apps still have to reload after you've gone to another app due to low memory.
As it stands, the only way to use this phone almost the way it should be used, especially if you demand the very best from your phones, is via a custom rom.
I have also posted a comparison of how iPad 3 multitasks better... Oh and on ipad1 multitasking sucked coz of RAM because it had only 120 mb user available ram.... So I seriously hope galaxy s4 atleast has 2 gb ram or atleast better memory management ....
I think what it comes down to is that the phone doesn't need more ram, touchwiz needs to go on a diet.
It is horribly bloated and Samsung need to trim it a lot.
I get they want it to be unique when compared to other phones but it would save them money, and deliver a better end user experience if they went with vanilla android, ESPECIALLY with how jellybean looks. Wishful thinking I suspect.
I flashed cm9 to it two days ago after finally getting sick of tw, it's pretty, has a good personality and is smart, but its a fat pig and there's no getting past that.
Free ram is wasted ram but also it is important that the ram that is used isn't filled with crap tw services.
Running cm9 and I have 300mb free ram right now, swapping between this and chrome and poweramp. Win!
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I'm having no problems actually, but then again I like closing open apps and have always used my phone that way.