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This isn't another thread bashing or complaining, I just don't believe it's as simple as "most apps are returned in 15 minutes, so will shorten the window."
Can any devs explain the benefits of the change?
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Increased profits.
I would guess to post cash flow to the devs.
Imho 15 is way to short for some Apps
from my phone duh
CheesyNutz said:
I would guess to post cash flow to the devs.
Imho 15 is way to short for some Apps
from my phone duh
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+1 to that hell there are some games you download think you have the complete game only to find out you have to wait almost 15 mins while it downloads cause all you got from the market was a downloader
15 minutes may yield a negative effect--people may be more selective in purchasing, resulting in a reduced app sales...
I'm gussing lots of brains at Google thought through it, but it makes no sense to me. This may be one of those policies that they will later reverse.
The goal, I think, is to keep people from buying a game, beating it in 24 hours, then refunding the game. Personally, I think that Google should allow developers to specify a refund duration for their app. With some apps you need more time to decide than with others.
Sounds to me like a bait-n-switch... Most people won't be satisfied with some apps in under 15 minutes, and then it's too late to get their money back!
Ok, I know that going from 24 hours to 15 minutes is pretty drastic, the way I look at it is we're lucky to get a chance at all to return it.
Please tell me if I'm wrong but as far as my experience goes, apple doesn't allow refunds and neither does blackberry appworld or whatever they call it. At least I don't think they do? Idk about WP7 so can't say for them...
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For me it dont matter. If I spend $.99 on a game and dont like it whatever. If there is an app that I think I may like that cost like $10 or something I will do my research on it. For the bigger apps it may slow down sales but the little ones I dont think will be hurt too bad.
My only gripe about the new market is how HUGE the new header is. It is annoying as hell.
Its possibly for the developers. It would be disappointing when people buy and to backup the app, then return without having to pay.
15min may be a bit too short tho, but 24hrs is too long. Plus is could encorage for more quality apps, than the garbage that's cluttering right now.
Apple devs only have to worry about one controlled platform. Android devs have to worry about compatibility with many variants in hardware and AOSP customizations.
If one cannot obtain a refund, it may actually reduce sales for the devs.
Some devs approach this differently by a free version and a fee-based key to unlock full features or eliminate ads. This is a good approach. It allows one to test for compatibility and efficacy without having to initiate a transaction.
I agree that it should be the dev's choice. He/She should be able to decide how to run their business...
Either more trial apps or potentially fewer app purchases.
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Apple devs only have to worry about one controlled platform. Android devs have to worry about compatibility with many variants in hardware and AOSP customizations.
If one cannot obtain a refund, it may actually reduce sales for the devs.
Some devs approach this differently by a free version and a fee-based key to unlock full features or eliminate ads. This is a good approach. It allows one to test for compatibility and efficacy without having to initiate a transaction.
I agree that it should be the dev's choice. He/She should be able to decide how to run their business...
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I agree with this. I like the fee-based key to unlock full versions of apps, good business model imo.
But also, I believe Google is doing this to change the way some developers are profiting from their apps. I kind of think that they actually want to reduce the overall amount of paid apps in the Market. They would rather have apps with ad driven, imo. That is the Google way, they want eyes on phones and eyes on ad banners. That'll be the furture of the Market.
Of course, this works for games and social apps where you are actively using the app a lot, but it does little for the awesome apps that you don't actually interface with a lot.
Competition, plain and simple.
The refund ratio on Android apps is a big turn-off to developers producing mobile apps. It's much higher than iOS.
I think 15 mins is also to short maybe the devs making the choice would be better
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Please tell me if I'm wrong but as far as my experience goes, apple doesn't allow refunds and neither does blackberry appworld or whatever they call it.
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Sad times. We use Apple's policies as a reference. Android should be better than that.
Simple question
IF $$ is the issue for Samsung cant we just make a PAY to upgrade option from them? Maybe they would go for it?
the 3rd Choice is supposed to be
Yes $0-$10 (GB)
Well, I personally am going to go with the "**** Samsung" option. Great choice!
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Well, I personally am going to go with the "**** Samsung" option. Great choice!
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Well @ this point im F*%K samsung too but i'd drop $20 for GB
Birdman is taking donations...
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Birdman is taking donations...
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Birdman has no working GB OR FROYO
Im talking a REAL working setup
(don't get me wrong ive already donated to him and kaos, my point is an official one built with the OEM tools would be nice)
stop buying Samsung phones for a month....I think they will get the hint
I'll take Kaos's build of froyo over a samsung build. I ran his froyo build for the eris for months with less problems then I ever had with the stock software. He is very good at what he does, just give hime some time.
I wouldn't pay Samsung one red cent for updating the Touchwiz crap. However, when it comes to the software our wonderful XDA devs crank out, I'll gladly join the cause. For the month I ran KaosFroyo on my Eris, I donated $10. For the possibility of Froyo/GB epicness on my Fascinate, I went big and donated a phone.
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I wouldn't pay Samsung one red cent for updating the Touchwiz crap. However, when it comes to the software our wonderful XDA devs crank out, I'll gladly join the cause. For the month I ran KaosFroyo on my Eris, I donated $10. For the possibility of Froyo/GB epicness on my Fascinate, I went big and donated a phone.
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Thank you BTW!
What's sad is that not even Windows charges for updates....just product keys....Linux doesn't either...so why should we pay Samsung when we already paid got the phone and contact?
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What's sad is that not even Windows charges for updates....just product keys....Linux doesn't either...so why should we pay Samsung when we already paid got the phone and contact?
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Well, first of all, Microsoft certainly does charge for OS upgrades, but not bugfix patches. Some my beg to differ, but I consider Froyo an OS upgrade. Granted, it's free from Google, but Samsung does put their work into it, and I don't necessarily fault them for considering it something they need to charge for.
That said, Apple also charges for updates, both for Mac OS and for iOS. In the case of iOS, the cost of the upgrades are figured into their contract with AT&T (and likely now with Verizon), so the carrier and/or customer pays for it one way or another. This is why iPod touch users have to pay for the major upgrades, because Apple won't give away the update. The thing is, if carriers can entertain this type of agreement with Apple, they should really have no problem doing the same with Samsung. Because of that, I fault the carriers more than I fault Samsung at the moment.
**** no and I wouldn't feel bad about pirating it.
The only way I'd even consider paying for an OS upgrade is if it was stock Android - no TouchWiz and absolutely no Verizon bloatware. Period.
I think this is a pretty good idea....let's forward the request to sammy. Get them to offer it via paid, everyone chips in a few cents, download it to one phone for the RIL file, let the devs rip it, where golden! ;-) because I'm not giving sammy another fcking dime of my money....well maybe a few cents.
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This is why iPod touch users have to pay for the major upgrades, because Apple won't give away the update.
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They ended that policy with 4.0, and they'd previously said that charge was required due to some sort of limitation or something another with their systems (don't remember exact wording, but it was likely BS anyways).
I just recently bought the Fascinate (mid-ish December), and probably would have returned it for the iPhone if I wasn't interested in doing actual development for Android (which is about $600 cheaper to get started, for me). The Fascinate hardware is top-notch, there's really no disputing that... it's just unfortunate that Samsung couldn't put any effort into rolling out updates (much less purposely holding off on updates just for a bullet point on the next gen models). Considering the situation, I would be flat out pissed if Samsung asked for money (even 9.99) for Froyo, largely due to the principle of the matter, and how much of a slap in the face it would be.
On the other hand, I would consider donating to PK and the others, they're doing this completely in their free time, and IIRC, PK doesn't even use the Fascinate, he just got one donated to him (who ever donated that is also awesome). Once there's a fairly stable Froyo/GB release with working GPS/Camera/3G/Voice/sms/mms, I'll then have to figure out who all I need to throw a few dollars towards
I'd rather donate to a developer than put more money in the pockets of rich greedy companies. F*CK Samsung.
$0-$00 for Gingerbread sounds like a good deal to me.
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$0-$00 for Gingerbread sounds like a good deal to me.
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$Cheap-$Cheaper sounds like what you are. At least donate some money to the devs who are gonna get you Gingerbread, or contribute to getting it done yourself, or better yet, do it yourself, then we'll gladly donate to you.
We already paid for Froyo when we bought our phones. These were marketed and advertised as an update coming soon. Had Samsung advertised these phones as is, and implied that no update was coming, there wouldn't be the outcry there is for this update.
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$Cheap-$Cheaper sounds like what you are. At least donate some money to the devs who are gonna get you Gingerbread, or contribute to getting it done yourself, or better yet, do it yourself, then we'll gladly donate to you.
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1) I was making a joke (albeit a dumb one) about the fact that the poll says $0-$00 rather than $0-$10.
2) This post is asking whether I would pay Samsung, not whether I would donate to the devs here.
3) I never implied that I wanted/expected donations.
Or does it seem like Honeycomb was rushed out. I get a lot of force closes on my browser and other apps that were installed when I get my Xoom. Does anyone else get that?
Nope, it's just you, nobody has never made a thread like this ever in this forum.
Next time put something real in the title.
Google is going to f***ing dissenchant me with all their little f***ing two sided antics. OK I get it, blah blah open f***ing source etc. But you can't have it both ways. You want to make a liberal system that can be taken advantage of freely by developers and promote creativity and freedom, great. But you do half the work and allow the cyanogenmod team to smooth out the rest of the quarks and make your OS closer to an expected consumer user experience, voiding peoples warranty in the process. Even at this point, OK. BUT YOU CAN'T F***ING HAVE THE HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS AND CARRIERS PARADING AROUND LIKE ITS OK TO MILK A HALF BAKED OS BY SUCKING PEOPLE DRY WITH INSANE UNJUSTIFIABLE PRICES, ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT EVEN ONE CENT OF ANY OF THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT COMES OUT OF THEIR POCKET.
Google needs to put the f***ing squeeze on these a*****es or realize that they are full of s***.
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Lolololol its a breath of fresh air seeing someone comment with this much emotion
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Google is going to f***ing dissenchant me with all their little f***ing two sided antics. OK I get it, blah blah open f***ing source etc. But you can't have it both ways. You want to make a liberal system that can be taken advantage of freely by developers and promote creativity and freedom, great. But you do half the work and allow the cyanogenmod team to smooth out the rest of the quarks and make your OS closer to an expected consumer user experience, voiding peoples warranty in the process. Even at this point, OK. BUT YOU CAN'T F***ING HAVE THE HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS AND CARRIERS PARADING AROUND LIKE ITS OK TO MILK A HALF BAKED OS BY SUCKING PEOPLE DRY WITH INSANE UNJUSTIFIABLE PRICES, ESPECIALLY WHEN NOT EVEN ONE CENT OF ANY OF THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT COMES OUT OF THEIR POCKET.
Google needs to put the f***ing squeeze on these a*****es or realize that they are full of s***.
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Nobody forced you to buy anything. Is honeycomb perfect? no we already know this. 2.2 or 2.3 is not perfect so not sure what you expected. We got earthquakes, tsunamis, and civil wars going on and you are worried about some force closes. You dont like it dont buy it. You should feel lucky you even have the choice to buy a Xoom. Quit your *****in.
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INSANE UNJUSTIFIABLE PRICES
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Sounds like you can't really afford the Xoom. Maybe you should just take it back and get a refund. Yes, I think that's the best course for everyone involved.
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Nobody forced you to buy anything. Is honeycomb perfect? no we already know this. 2.2 or 2.3 is not perfect so not sure what you expected. We got earthquakes, tsunamis, and civil wars going on and you are worried about some force closes. You dont like it dont buy it. You should feel lucky you even have the choice to buy a Xoom. Quit your *****in.
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I wasn't "*****in" as you like to put it I was merely asking a question as to whether this was a common thing or if mine was just having problems and maybe I should reload it or something to fix it. If you can't say anything constructive maybe you should avoid using that 1st amendment right of yours.
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I wasn't "*****in" as you like to put it I was merely asking a question as to whether this was a common thing or if mine was just having problems and maybe I should reload it or something to fix it. If you can't say anything constructive maybe you should avoid using that 1st amendment right of yours.
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Maybe you should do some research because this question has been asked several times. If the same question or statement is mentioned over and over then it becomes classified as *****in. Unfortunately you fell into this category.
I think the price is fair...and Moto does have software dev time in it - Kernel time at a minimum. I'm fully aware Google was involved in the design process of the device, but I doubt other than a ton of OEM support to Moto that they actually have a ton of resources invested in the device it self.
I guess no one has looked in to purchasing a 32Gb SSD - those alone are $100.
10" screen ~$100 for just a screen without any touch digitizer
So 200 bucks in cost in 2 pieces of hardware.
One of the problems with the Android community as a whole is everyone whining about price. The price of hardware, the price of apps. The Apple drones could care less about price, they'll pay what they are asked to pay regardless of any other thought than "It's white, it has fruit on it" . I however am a fairly informed consumer and am WILLING to pay for latest and greatest as long as it serves my needs.
However, the lack of HC Source has made me reconsider the purchase....
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I think the price is fair...and Moto does have software dev time in it - Kernel time at a minimum. I'm fully aware Google was involved in the design process of the device, but I doubt other than a ton of OEM support to Moto that they actually have a ton of resources invested in the device it self.
I guess no one has looked in to purchasing a 32Gb SSD - those alone are $100.
10" screen ~$100 for just a screen without any touch digitizer
So 200 bucks in cost in 2 pieces of hardware.
One of the problems with the Android community as a whole is everyone whining about price. The price of hardware, the price of apps. The Apple drones could care less about price, they'll pay what they are asked to pay regardless of any other thought than "It's white, it has fruit on it" . I however am a fairly informed consumer and am WILLING to pay for latest and greatest as long as it serves my needs.
However, the lack of HC Source has made me reconsider the purchase....
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You have to think though, that by not releasing the source.. they are doing their best to avoid some of the issues spoken about previously. Too often manufacturers would like to prey on the uneducated or the early adopters by throwing a half developed piece of hardware out the door, slapping the google android sticker on it.. and then while they profit, they take the good name of Google/Android and drag it through the mud.
Look at the reaction to the original Samsung Galaxy Tab. It was thrown out, with an OS that was not made for a tablet, on hardware not optimized for the design... only to capitalize on the fact that they would be the first out the gate (or at least one of the first). Apple did the same thing, and took their phone OS and blew it up to a larger format. The only reason they succeeded was that they had their system locked down and could ensure that they had a good hardware/software mix. The throngs of iFags everywhere gobble it up because they knew it would be solid enough to satisfy them for a year till the next one comes out and improves on it.
Google is finally learning from Apple in that respect.
By not releasing the sc for HC, they are making sure that they can correct the early issues found with HC in the Xoom, as well as ensure the hardware its installed on meets specific requirements as to not damage their name or their products name. Its not that it wont let it out eventually, but they want to make it as solid as possible before they do. I respect them for that, even if it makes the modding community's job a bit harder in the interim.
Lastly... you can blame the marketing techniques for shady products. Simple people are too excited by shiny products with big words in their advertising, that they get burned by not researching... and those that get burned, cry the most. Those that do their due diligence and research, only blame themselves when they get burned because they overlooked a mistake or failed to prioritize features.
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Or does it seem like Honeycomb was rushed out. I get a lot of force closes on my browser and other apps that were installed when I get my Xoom. Does anyone else get that?
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Can you give us some more details? Like, did you root your xoom or are you experiencing all of these force closes on a clean xoom that you just got 2 days ago? Did you throw an image on there, sideload a bunch of apps, etc....
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Many people do not understand when they try to compare the Xoom to a polished product like the iPad that the iPad OS has been around for a while before the iPad even came to market (iTouch, iPhone) and developers had already enough time to work with iOS so when the iPad was released there was not that much difference besides the new screen real estate that they had to adjust their apps for. When the iPad first came out there were some bugs, apps had that BS 2x until they were optimized for the iPad, etc...The Xoom is a brand new product that is sporting new hardware and a brand new OS that developers have not had the opportunity to work on until just recently so if "you" are not an early adopter then please buy an iPad. And if you are going to complain about the price of the Xoom compared to an iPad 2 then please explain how many 16GB WiFi only models are selling for the same price right now as a Xoom.
The entire android os and their very diverse array of devices is the reason it will fail. Kind of the same reason linux have not been able to penetrate the masses. I been a linux user since 92 and even I get overwhelmed sometimes with the amounts of distros out there. Got it that is what open source is about however. that same premises is what hinders its progress. Andoid is too fragmented with companies rushing out devices to the market without been ready, unfortunately the so call "early adopters" do everyone else a deservice by rushing to buy such devices, to compund this, companies are quick to abandon support for devices after a couple of months leaving us at the mercy of freelance developers (which by the way are great)
Yes the xoom and hc were rushed out to the market on an effort to get a headstart on other devices, by now it has been proven that it did now work as expected for them
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The entire android os and their very diverse array of devices is the reason it will fail. Kind of the same reason linux have not been able to penetrate the masses.
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What? You realize android is the most used smartphone platform worldwide right (ignoring sybian)? If that isn't market penetration I don't know what is.
The API differences from 1.6-2.3 are so minor that application compatibility is really a non issue between operating systems. The only issue is hardware differences really.
Ask the average Joe user what version of android or IOS they are using and they'll ask you "what?". Only the power users ***** and moan about these relatively minor OS updates because they always want the latest thing.
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The entire android os and their very diverse array of devices is the reason it will fail. Kind of the same reason linux have not been able to penetrate the masses. I been a linux user since 92 and even I get overwhelmed sometimes with the amounts of distros out there. Got it that is what open source is about however. that same premises is what hinders its progress. Andoid is too fragmented with companies rushing out devices to the market without been ready, unfortunately the so call "early adopters" do everyone else a deservice by rushing to buy such devices, to compund this, companies are quick to abandon support for devices after a couple of months leaving us at the mercy of freelance developers (which by the way are great)
Yes the xoom and hc were rushed out to the market on an effort to get a headstart on other devices, by now it has been proven that it did now work as expected for them
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Are you rooting for Android to fail? You know they do have Windows based phones if you don't like android ones. No one is forcing you to buy anything android. This is not a hate forum so unless you actually own a xoom and have a general question/statement regarding the xoom/honeycomb then why not just go find a "I hate android/linux/capitalism" forum.
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The entire android os and their very diverse array of devices is the reason it will fail. Kind of the same reason linux have not been able to penetrate the masses. I been a linux user since 92 and even I get overwhelmed sometimes with the amounts of distros out there. Got it that is what open source is about however. that same premises is what hinders its progress. Andoid is too fragmented with companies rushing out devices to the market without been ready, unfortunately the so call "early adopters" do everyone else a deservice by rushing to buy such devices, to compund this, companies are quick to abandon support for devices after a couple of months leaving us at the mercy of freelance developers (which by the way are great)
Yes the xoom and hc were rushed out to the market on an effort to get a headstart on other devices, by now it has been proven that it did now work as expected for them
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Really? You must have been on a deserted island for the last couple years. My Xoom running Honeycomb works just fine. Someone needs to start a thread titled ***** here so you guys can get together share what type of tampons you prefer.
We all know the reason updates are slow to roll out is because of money. Why update older phones when you can sell new ones with the latest OS? So would you pay for updates to get them sooner? If so how much would you be willing to shell out?
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I'll only pay it if it's pure Google and no more than 20$. Lol
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No reason to pay for it. Androids kernel is based off Linux. Open source!
Google should force the hardware manufacturers to give them the drivers. Ya, I would say at this point in the game, with the dominance of Android, why not start playing hard ball with manufacturers and carriers? You don't even need the phone manufacturers support, since most of the components (chips, memory, screen, etc) are from various manufacturers, and not really the phone manufacturer. Just get the drivers from component makers directly.
Anyway, if one really had to pay. I think minor updates should be free, and major OS overhauls should have a minor fee, if at all. Personally, I would pay a small fee for major OS upgrades versus free for small updates.
Id be willing to pay a small amount over waiting months.
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I think there should be one ultimate phone. You know in the android which gets the fastest updates, oh wait isn't that a nexus? :O
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You start paying for this sort of thing and then they send out the dogs. Bad idea. I can't think of any companies that have done this but I'm sure there are major ones.
And. If the main os was optimized for users by the dev team and people that haven't bought the update them can be in trouble for stealing. Yeah they might try it but the push against would be stronger. And pirating phone stuff would be HUGE. Almost as big as movie or game s are.
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helllllllll no.
Only if its straitup aosp. And if we can get the God d*mn update the day Google released it. You know like 2.3 was realeased in December and some company's *cough*HTC*cough* didn't release it till today. And without new sense... smh -_-
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We all know the reason updates are slow to roll out is because of money. Why update older phones when you can sell new ones with the latest OS? So would you pay for updates to get them sooner? If so how much would you be willing to shell out?
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To answer. I wouldn't pay a dime. A device should work satisfactorily as advertised. If it does not then I choose to take matters into my own hands, either by getting another device or indulging in a community like this one. I just don't think it's as simple as your implying.
Money is a motivator for manufacturers and carriers, but only in the sense of how it impacts meeting deadlines and release schedules. No amount of theoretical payola from end users is going to change this. End users and their perceptions do matter, even to manufacturers. But we're kidding ourselves if we think that our goals here in a place like XDA represent anything remotely close to the majority. They do not.
Android brings an entirely different sort of OS ecosystem to the table than consumers have been accustomed to, and more importantly entirely different than what carriers and manufacturers are accustomed to.
Much of what we have seen in the past few years with regards slow or nonexistent updates has been due to how manufacturers initially approached Android as simply a way to stave off significant R&D. Manufacturers are doing better in this regard as of late, because the ecosystem as a whole is maturing. The market is now lucrative and extensive, but competition is rife.
It is these competitive forces AND ONLY THESE that will improve the situation. Indeed it can be readily argued that this above all else is what has made such update issues ameliorate themselves. The most jaded among us can certainly realize things are much better now for Android as a whole than they were a year ago. Orders of magnitude so!!
Even so, realize that manufacturers will only do what they deem is in their interests when developing for their products. No matter how capable the hardware, or how "open" the infrastructure, manufacturers are in this for profit (as well they should be). Many will realize that supporting existing hardware is in their best interest, but as we've seen in similar scenarios in the PC universe, they will do this to varying degrees and for their own reasons. Some will do better than others and perhaps some of that will play out well with end users and gain them loyal customers. It's as likely that customers will simply go elsewhere because they're enticed to do so. This simply isn't as simple a problem as it was when this whole Android sleighride started anymore.
Communities like XDA have a role to play, and the developers and their efforts made here recontribute to everyone involved. But lets not kid ourselves. The performance of most devices as they ship is, to varying degrees, satisfactory. Most users are not zealots (and lets be frank, most XDA people *ARE*), and many of the concerns expressed here are not only unrealistic they are pointless. It is difficult enough to come up with a concrete list of precisely why 2.3 is better than 2.2, or 2.1 amongst ourselves as it is. To most end users perception (and thus most manufacturers) these distinctions are trivial and meaningless.
XDA is a hacker's maven. An important one, and a valuable one to those of us who participate here. But Android itself is no longer *just* a hacker's wet dream. It's a commercial juggernaut of a platform that is living and thriving quite nicely with or without us as this stage.
I would make a donation to the person who cracks it so people can use it for free.
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I would make a donation to the person who cracks it so people can use it for free.
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... Piracy?
I LIKE IT.
I will pay for it. Not to Samsung or t-mobile. I have $20 saved for the first developer who gets gingerbread working stable on our phone.
It's like asking "Would you spend money to buy linux?" Noooo!
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It's like asking "Would you spend money to buy linux?" Noooo!
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You do realize not all Linux distros are free right?
I wouldn't.
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You do realize not all Linux distros are free right?
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yeah but how many go for the paid instead of free?
:: edit 2 :: well it looks like the bootloader has been cracked. i'll update this at home with a link to the thead and whatever info there is.
:: edit :: i've stopped updating this because there are too many conditional donations that i can't keep track of ( i.e only the 8.9 inch if its before the 3rd child is born and if its on a tuesday) if anyone wants to try again be my guest
I didn't see a thread for this... so if this is the first I'll kick it off with 20 bucks....
i know we have safestrap, but looking for a true cracked bootloader
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murso74 - $20
fishhelmet - $20
S_transform - $30
JordanRulz - $10
CZ Eddie - $10
conan1600 - $5
strikerdj2011 - $10
EniGmA1987 - $40
tootone - $20
erronr - $20
ratbert90 - $50
Dotachin - $20
clarke33 - $25
nullstring2 - $25
wiseguyy - $20
mech_supernova - $20
joeish83 - $20
Kenmoini. - $100 (LTE)
scorvio - $10
LeBoff - $25
Three of Swords - $10 (7") $25 (8.9")
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I didn't see a thread for this... so if this is the first I'll kick it off with 20 bucks....
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I'm in for $20 as well
murso74 said:
I didn't see a thread for this... so if this is the first I'll kick it off with 20 bucks....
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Might as well...I'm in for 30.
I'm in for 10.
JordanRulz said:
I'm in for 10.
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Hashcode said he's sure the bootloader is patched up well. Perhaps in a year or two? Hopefully sooner if ever.
Faznx92 said:
Hashcode said he's sure the bootloader is patched up well. Perhaps in a year or two? Hopefully sooner if ever.
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Well the thing is, its patched up well from Loki, that doesn't mean it has absolutely no way of being unlocked. While I don't think adding a bounty is going to suddenly get the bootloader unlocked, it can't hurt to add an incentive to draw low-level coders to develop for the HDX.
Edit: This is at least my take on it, from what information I've gathered.
$10.
Actually this has already been tried. For both root and bootloader unlock.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2490343&page=2
I don't own the 7 inch but I'll go 5 and maybe it could lead to something on the 8.9
in for $10 on the 8.9"....i dont have the 7"!
nothing is impossible there is all ways a way $10 am in for
l2yangop said:
in for $10 on the 8.9"....i dont have the 7"!
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only going to post for the 7" we dont' know if one will beget the other
Ive already had $40 put in for a bounty on this for a month and a half now.
Put me down for 20.
Sure, throw me in for $20
Put me in for 50$
Why is this thread not fixed under the forum rules? Plenty of people may have missed it since December, I think it's in our best interest to keep it in page 1.
Also I don’t know if gbrewha's extra device is still available but if it is he might want to offer it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2574302
Let´s get some low level firmware devs, I'm in for $20
Dotachin said:
Why is this thread not fixed under the forum rules? Plenty of people may have missed it since December, I think it's in our best interest to keep it in page 1.
Also I don’t know if gbrewha's extra device is still available but if it is he might want to offer it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2574302
Let´s get some low level firmware devs, I'm in for $20
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While I am all for unlocking the bootloader, and I believe that this might be good to keep on the front page to combine all 3? I think of these threads into a single unified bounty page, the idea of a bounty for the bootloader has been discussed multiple time. My guess is Hashcode or Gsleon or Cpasjuste may comment on this again, but while a bounty is a good idea, we mostly need to find a dev who is willing and has the time to work on this and get them a device. We can have a bounty all we want, but this device isn't currently attracting a ton of developers to it. We have a couple very good ones, but no low-level Qualcomm specialists. I personally think a better idea would be a thread that is designed to get an hdx or two into the hands of a couple good specialists, not necessarily with a monetary prize if they actually unlock it (although that isn't a bad idea). I don't really know anyone who specializes in bootloaders or things of that nature, but I think if you really want the bootloader unlocked attracting their attention is in order before we start throwing money at a role we can't fill.
S_transform said:
While I am all for unlocking the bootloader, and I believe that this might be good to keep on the front page to combine all 3? I think of these threads into a single unified bounty page, the idea of a bounty for the bootloader has been discussed multiple time. My guess is Hashcode or Gsleon or Cpasjuste may comment on this again, but while a bounty is a good idea, we mostly need to find a dev who is willing and has the time to work on this and get them a device. We can have a bounty all we want, but this device isn't currently attracting a ton of developers to it. We have a couple very good ones, but no low-level Qualcomm specialists. I personally think a better idea would be a thread that is designed to get an hdx or two into the hands of a couple good specialists, not necessarily with a monetary prize if they actually unlock it (although that isn't a bad idea). I don't really know anyone who specializes in bootloaders or things of that nature, but I think if you really want the bootloader unlocked attracting their attention is in order before we start throwing money at a role we can't fill.
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Sure, we could use the bounty to buy one kindle HDX per $200 gathered and send them to interested known devs. You can definitely count my $20 for that.
I think what we really need is someone to unite/moderate all these far too scattered good initiatives into one good always on top thread, hunt some devs, and overall show the community this is actually getting somewhere and that it is worth investing.
updated the OP ... up to a whopping 255 bucks. i figured the 16 gig people would have been up for this since safestrap severely cuts down on our storage. i bought this for the amazon video downloads for trips. anyway i'd be ok with using the money for an HDX to a reputable dev. I know bootloaders these days are a long shot.
unfortunatly, the only device i have that i can flash roms on right now is my Touchpad, as my Moto X and HDX are locked down hard