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hi, I'd like to know if you can use the sd card and say partition it so that you can make your xda exec device use the storage on it as programe memory so it speeds the device up. this really is a fab device, but it really lacks the memory capacity that I had on a blue angel.
I have a 1gb sd card and don't mind loosing any storage space to accomplish this. if there isn't a way, can someone try and find a reg tweek for this....
anyway, I leave it with you...
cheers.
joey jojo
I think this is something which should be taken as a clue by developers who make programs such as Memaid, Pocket Mechanic, etc and include this as a a feature. Maybe the concept will be something similar to the Virtual Memory on a regular windows pc.
You are absolutely right, I too really miss the shortage of program memory. I can never open a really complicated web page with lots of images in Netfront before I get the dreadful warning that I have run out of program memory.
I hope some developer picks this up and incorporates this as a feature. I am sure this will increase his sales many many times.
Regards
you can put your internet explorer's cache on the sd-card...
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders\Cache]
change cache from '\windows\profiles\guest\temporari internet files' to '\SD_MMCard' to achieve this...
however you'll notice that it only slows your device incredibly down if your SD-Card is not set up right
see also http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50301
There is just no way a third party program can add this. On the windows mobile team blog, there's a post from a few months back talking about doing virtual mem on the SD card, and basically, it's just not in the OS and won't be until at least WM6, and third-party programs can't do it.
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There is just no way a third party program can add this. On the windows mobile team blog, there's a post from a few months back talking about doing virtual mem on the SD card, and basically, it's just not in the OS and won't be until at least WM6, and third-party programs can't do it.
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Those are very disappointing news...
Speaking of memory management and the OS itself..I really wonder during the development of WM5, did they try to come up with a better OS, or just building up upon WM2003.
Reason why I say this is my Universal crashed yesterday, and a look into the "Memory" panel in the Settings showed the OLD memory management screen along with the sliders and all... :lol:
Looks like the developers got lazy and just placed a panel on top of the old one :lol:
Ehh.. You guys want to be buying new SD cards every third month?
Flash memory like the SD cards have only a limited number of write operations before they fail.
Using them for storage is good, because you don't write to the cards that much.
Using them as memory would totally screw up the card in a rather short time.
And, I think using SD card for program memory would result in a slower application, because of the read/write speed of the SD compared to the RAM..
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3 months is just a figure of speach..
I have no idea of how much time it would take before failure occurs..
It would probably result in slower and slower performance, because some sectors would be worn out faster than others..
What you say about the writes before failure is right, but when you are faced with a £300 PDA that has the same amount of RAM as my little finger, you have to do something.
SD cards are cheap enough these days, and money grows on trees. I'd rather be able to leave programs open and not worry about how much it will slow the machine down to have more that three big apps running than I would be about coughing up for a new SD card every 3 months.
I have seen a 4GB card on Ebay for less than £80, Tescos sell 1GB for £30 these days.
The great thing about Tescos is their guarantee. You buy the card, write it to death, take it back for a full refund, no questions asked.
Hello everyone, so I got the T-mobile wing wich is the same as the Herald a couple of days ago, and the first thing I checked when I turned it on was the program memory and it was very disappointing at around 17MB then it went down from there I never saw the 17 again, I have a few apps installed and now my memory is around 9MB after soft reset. I am not liking this about this device especially after been spoiled with the Core 2.0n ROm on my MDA (wizard) I had more apps installed and still had over 25 MB of program memory left, as far as I know the only way to make this better is to flash it with a cooked rom, but since that is too risky at this point with not having a ship rom to go to if phone gets briked I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts or solutions for this issue.
by the way I think other then the size of the wing I like the wizard better in many ways. share your thoughts.
Hummm... Are you installing your programs in storage memory or at the memory card? With exception of programs that interfere with the today screen, like wisbar advance for example, all programs should be installed in the memory card.
I have 19MB of storage memory still available... I've installed 19 programs, and only 5 are in the storage memory
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Hummm... Are you installing your programs in storage memory or at the memory card? With exception of programs that interfere with the today screen, like wisbar advance for example, all programs should be installed in the memory card.
I have 19MB of storage memory still available... I've installed 19 programs, and only 5 are in the storage memory
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I always install all programs on th mmory card I have a 2GB and I have 15 apps installed and 24.4 MB internal storage memory left so that one is ok, but I was talking about RAM memory that programs need to run not storage memory the on the right side when ou open the memory screen.
The problem is the pagepool.
All cooked rom for wizard have 4 or 8MB pagepool because that´s enough. I guess on wing it is the normal 12MB - too much.
We have to cook smaler ones and we will get back the big RAM like 30MB.
Let´s wait for official update and start cooking without the possibility of bricking.
lol
FZZF said:
I always install all programs on th mmory card I have a 2GB and I have 15 apps installed and 24.4 MB internal storage memory left so that one is ok, but I was talking about RAM memory that programs need to run not storage memory the on the right side when ou open the memory screen.
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Weird It is a fact that more today plugins result in less program memory, and there are some programs that even not being placed in today screen need alot of memory to run. I have about 20MB of free program memory. Maybe you should try to see which programs are using that much memory to run...
low memory on wing
I am experiencing the same thing. It sad when you have no programs running except for Activesync, and you can not even power up the camera. I have a T-mobile WdG care rep looking into it. The only other program i have installed is the slingplayer. I also have notice the a sling player error message showing not enough memory.
BRSG said:
Weird It is a fact that more today plugins result in less program memory, and there are some programs that even not being placed in today screen need alot of memory to run. I have about 20MB of free program memory. Maybe you should try to see which programs are using that much memory to run...
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You have the HTC p4350 so I am sure it's runing on different rom, I think the problem is with the T-Mobile USA Rom, it has too much crap on it I even did a soft reset right before customization to prevent the t-MO stuff to install and that gave me an extra 7MB of storage but no better on the program memory and the timobile stuff still installed. I did turn off all plug ins I even shut down all unnecessary processes with memmaid and the best I got was 13MB so I am pretty sure it's the rom and I thnk Papa is right it may have to do with the page pool and or a combination of both page pool and all the T-Mobile garbage in the rom.
cyberjr said:
I am experiencing the same thing. It sad when you have no programs running except for Activesync, and you can not even power up the camera. I have a T-mobile WdG care rep looking into it. The only other program i have installed is the slingplayer. I also have notice the a sling player error message showing not enough memory.
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yes it is sad when a cooked rom is a million times better then a ship rom made by the biggest software company in the world as Papa said I am waiting for an updated rom to be available to go back to in case something goes wrong while flashing a cooked rom, and it is only a matter of time before we can flash custom roms question is how long, I dont know how long I can handle the frustration of using this thing I installed IGO GPS yesterday and it would not run because of lack of memory so I think I am going back to the wizard until I can flash this dumb thing and by the way I don't think the T-mobile rep will come up with a solution but if he does please share it with us.
A lot of tweaking needed
I had to use Memmaid and move dll's to storage card and moved IE cache and email attachments to storage card too. Then I killed Live Search from the startup services as well as removed all things in the startup folder except services.lnk. I have two apps on the today screen and I am booting up with 20mb's free. It took some time but this will be a temporary fix until new ROM's make it here.
Using the dumped rom from the thread in the mobile 6 forum I was able to change the pagepool to 4 as well as strip out most of t-mobile's junk. While stripping out the extras did help, i'm not convinced that changing the pagepool will help. It certainly did increase the amount of free ram (27 at start dropping and hovering at 19 after several days) however I started noticing weird issues that I hadn't noticed with a 12 mb pagepool. Things like the today screen not refreshing or the wlan not starting. I'm think some of the device drivers may need to stay resident in the pagepool for normal functionality.
Overall, I've switched back to the 12 mb pagepool and everything works perfectly. The amount of free ram does get pretty low (around 4 mb) after opening all my programs but everything will still operate normally. I suspect the number reported may be somewhat misleading (like linux and vista) where it is using your free ram for caching purposes. Again i am basing this off the fact that everything will still load and work normally with low reported free ram. This is just a very long way to say that changing pagepool may introduce a new set of problems.
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kevinwatson5 said:
I had to use Memmaid and move dll's to storage card and moved IE cache and email attachments to storage card too. Then I killed Live Search from the startup services as well as removed all things in the startup folder except services.lnk. I have two apps on the today screen and I am booting up with 20mb's free. It took some time but this will be a temporary fix until new ROM's make it here.
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did u move all the dll's to the storage card on the tmobile wing?
interesting, I tried runing IGO nav and it reported an error saying it needed 6MB of memory to run I had to soft reset to get it to work, last night I installed SKTools and did some more tweeking with it and gained about 2MB of memory but not much I am wondering if the rom has some memory leaks somewhere because I can't even fin what apps are using so much memory at start up I got rid of most of them the only one I cant get rid of it the myfavs.
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did u move all the dll's to the storage card on the tmobile wing?
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not all dlls will move like the omap and a few system dll's but I moved almost 8 I think, depends on how many apps you have installed too. I uninstalled some of the system software like oz im and tmobile mail wizard and had all of them running off the storage card too. I am getting 20mb free upon bootup and all the things are working as far as I know.
hi
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not all dlls will move like the omap and a few system dll's but I moved almost 8 I think, depends on how many apps you have installed too. I uninstalled some of the system software like oz im and tmobile mail wizard and had all of them running off the storage card too. I am getting 20mb free upon bootup and all the things are working as far as I know.
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if u could only tell me which dll's(that came installed on the wing) u moved, it will be great.
dll's
I moved everyone that Memmaid would allow me to move, the ones that were in use could not be moved and that was only a couple.
Here's what I did and I have like 15mb to spare
I did a hard reset on my Wing - then, when T-mo's customizations started/tried to run, I did a soft reset (thus preventing their installation).
From this point I installed any and everything that i wished to have on my phone
(in my case this consisted of: total Commander; Sleuth's WM6VOIP; HTC Home Plug Today Plugin; RvBCrS HTC Startup animation; A_C Slide2Unlock; Chi-Tai Dang batteryStatus TD-Plugin; T-Mobile Soft Key Applet; PPCSoft psShutXP; HTC Audio Manager; The Equinoxe Wizard Retouched Dialer2; and By Boto XDA-Developers HTC Touch Comm Manager)
As you can see, I installed a lot of stuff and still I have sufficient room left on my device. will say that inevitably you may want to reset your device about once a day or so - because it appears to slow down and lose memory over time, but all in all it's no worse than my MDA ever was, plus I still have my MDA if I missed it that much (Which I don't).
xander803 said:
Using the dumped rom from the thread in the mobile 6 forum I was able to change the pagepool to 4 as well as strip out most of t-mobile's junk. While stripping out the extras did help, i'm not convinced that changing the pagepool will help. It certainly did increase the amount of free ram (27 at start dropping and hovering at 19 after several days) however I started noticing weird issues that I hadn't noticed with a 12 mb pagepool. Things like the today screen not refreshing or the wlan not starting. I'm think some of the device drivers may need to stay resident in the pagepool for normal functionality.
Overall, I've switched back to the 12 mb pagepool and everything works perfectly. The amount of free ram does get pretty low (around 4 mb) after opening all my programs but everything will still operate normally. I suspect the number reported may be somewhat misleading (like linux and vista) where it is using your free ram for caching purposes. Again i am basing this off the fact that everything will still load and work normally with low reported free ram. This is just a very long way to say that changing pagepool may introduce a new set of problems.
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Is it possible to use an empty extended rom to stop some of those problems???
Just want to share the info on solving the problem with the Wing mem problem.
I read and followed the instruction HERE. I have set the cache mem to 6mb. I now always have 11-15mb available and the phone is responsive. And the phone is been going strong for 2 days.
dangtong said:
Just want to share the info on solving the problem with the Wing mem problem.
I read and followed the instruction HERE. I have set the cache mem to 6mb. I now always have 11-15mb available and the phone is responsive. And the phone is been going strong for 2 days.
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What are you running in background??????
I have 26MB free while SPB mobile shell, today agenda and batterystatus are running - and 22MB when activesync is connected!
BUT i have the terra. But even without pagepoolchanging i had 20MB free. After all programs are installed.
So what are you running?????
got 8 free and only Mobile shell, Phone Suit and Weather running
**** this device
I fiddled around with my wm6'd hx4700 (thanks kuzuhara!) and a registry editor and found a way to make it regard SD as ram and xip from it.
This renders my device to achieve usage smooth enough i allow myself to reffer to the device as a mini-umpc^_^
For SD only atm, miniSD may or may not work depending on your devices driver. No MMC for the time being.
I sooooo hope this isn't old news
Here's to me not ****ing any of your devices up, it worked wonders for me.
P.S
IMPORTANT!
Delete the Program Files folder and reset again once you see the SD's been renamed to Program Files2.
On the next boot it'll mount as Program Files and everything will load from it.
Excuse me, my brains are stuck in google translator mode
4.11.2007
It seems i was rather in the wrong and am taking a whole new direction.
One which involves reading more carefully before i charge head into the guts of windows embedded.
Will take me a while until next post, and it might become hx4700 exclusive, but i promise you some cool stuff to come yet.
Anybody wanting to make their SD into Program Files to save space,
just start resco reg editor and change hklm\System\StorageManager\Profiles\SDMemory\Folder: Program Files.
(Originally is SD Card).
You can also try messing with it, making it into diffenent sys folders, just be careful
Mine is currently application cache (Volatile) and [email protected] Files.
(Running sweet with what i got to with the enablement of complete graphics accelaration, except for a minor hang up when returning from sleep).
Sooooooooooo...
ONLY DOWNLOAD AND APPLY THE CURRENT PATCH IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR'E DOING AND WANT TO GIVE BEATING ME TO IT A SHOT!
I'm hoping for a next release in a day, but not necessarily of this project but of an off-chute.
BTW, is it just me or is WM real *nix like?^^
anyone tried this ?
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anyone tried this ?
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Downloaded, but waiting to see what others think.
Want to know what it does to the SD card and device as the readme does say to move the devices contents of its program files folder to the sd card?????
downloaded it too. but i notice its his forst post.
Lol... it's my first post, sorry..
All it does is make the device call the card drive "Program Files" and set a swap file that's used as most device memory (don't worry, it's faster than most none-nand flash). i had to leave a small buffer in device memory though.
The memory file is unallocated, so just don't forget to leave 528MB free at all times.
Re-read the original post
It is and will be updated with periodic updates should they come.
I've been using it for 72 hours now.
It takes the odd reset to free up memory, but nothing worst than what we had before.
well if all thing got wrong.. anyway to revert it back?.. well ofcourse hard reset is one of it. uhmm.. lets put hardreset aside first..
well.. cant wait to test this.. i made a whole backup of my registry so if thing went wrong.. ill just restore the registry backup..
Good point doube_ofour.
Just export the StorageManager registry key before applying the changes, and if worst comes to worst restore your backed up original.
So, anybody else installed and can connect to tell the tale?
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So, anybody else installed and can connect to tell the tale?
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I made a cab with the regs and installed it But I'm still experimenting .. Nothing bad happened so far how do i know the device is faster ?!! how did you measured your device's speed ?
So let me get this straight -- it will use the microSD in my TyTN as RAM -- the icky sticky stuff I run out of because internet explorer, pocket player, and spb mobile shell grab it all for themselves?
Is there any way to specify how much of the SD card is used as RAM -- since I don't really need 1 GB of RAM on my device.
I saw your post about 558 MB free but didn't quite understand it. You also said you need the odd softreset to free memory? but why would you need to free up a few MB when you have access to hundreds?
But thanks for sharing with the community -- if this really does work out well for us, that's pretty freaking amazing.
@DuperMan
Does this hack simply make our "Storage Card" transform into "Program Files"?.. Thats it?.. cant see any speed improvement.. besides my memory usage increased by that means my device will perform slow..
My "Program Memory and Storage Memory" Stays the same as 47mb total on both memory..
Exactly Ragart!
Only it's set to use miniSD, i think you'd have to mess with it a little to make it work on miniSD... if response is good i'll make a mini version.
Remember - It's only been tested on wm6 hx4700!
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@DuperMan
Does this hack simply make our "Storage Card" transform into "Program Files"?.. Thats it?.. cant see any speed improvement.. besides my memory usage increased by that means my device will perform slow..
My "Program Memory and Storage Memory" Stays the same as 47mb total on both memory..
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in my case my program memory decreased by something around 10mb ! and I can't see any improvement in speed too ...
miniSD, hmm? Well that's the slightly-larger brother of my 1GB MicroSD. So I guess I'll just watch the thread and see others' reactions before I try anything (though I do have fullbackups)
Thanks for the quick response. So how much RAM does your hx4700 'have' now? and did you set it to 558 extra for a reason? Just curious questions from a person who doesn't understand the intricacies of reg editing
@doube_ofour:
Use it for a while, constant usage should be smoother. Did you free the space up by deleting the old Program Files as well?
Use it to surf for a while, multiple windows style, and you'll notice the difference.
Also, don't be mean to my hack Don't load it to spite, wait for each app to load and keep on starting apps without (majorly) worrying about a system crash.
@hma4:
The age old method of feel
It doesn't boost anything per say, but your device shouldn't be as compaction ridden as it was, so less mem degradation over time=more time between resets under heavy work loads. and i mean heavy. also, multi-tasking is MUCH more usable.
@ragart:
I set it to have a 512Mb paging area on the SD, plus 512kb in main for caching and another 16Mb for caching on SD, so that's a total of 528.5Mb overall mem, 16.5Mb cache and half a gig paging (good for them internet chaches etc..
i check on the registry that u have made in ur reg hack. seems like all the folders etc is the same even for a miniSD card ... so do u think it will work on miniSD too?
I'm new to the Diamond and WM in general (having converted from Palm OS) and am trying to learn my memory useage and how it affects my device's performance.
Right now....
Storage: Total 102.6b/ In Use 86.99/ Free 15.69
Program: Total 203.84/ In Use 61.05/ Free 142.79
I have installed Sprint Theme via TF3D Config as well as a couple asthetic Cab files. All of my installed apps have gone onto Internal Storage.
So I guess my question is: How do those num,bers look? Will these slow down my device? Is there anyway of getting the FREE numbers higher??
Thanks
Lee
just install what u need and uninstall what u dont
f in el ! i only have 64 meg free program memory on mine! and thats after a hard reset
u guys should try a program called MemMaid, changing different cache sizes within this program helps boost performance and memory depending on the amount of files and programs u stored on ur PPC not ur internal memory
its working great 4 me i have installed 10 different programs and i still hav 45% of ram available, loving my diamond atm
shahinshahid said:
u guys should try a program called MemMaid, changing different cache sizes within this program helps boost performance and memory depending on the amount of files and programs u stored on ur PPC not ur internal memory
its working great 4 me i have installed 10 different programs and i still hav 45% of ram available, loving my diamond atm
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Link??? ^^^^
I feel memory is a big flaw to this phone, and ive tried many things to counter the device storage filling up, to no avail. after i hard reset the device (which ive done some times now) i got like 65 megs. i install a theme and it bumps down like 20 megs. thats ok!
BUT
when i install my other apps, to storage card ofcourse, it still fills up my device, so in no time after hard reset, i`m lucky to stay over 10 megs. frustrating to say the least. what use is a ppc with 4 gigs of internal memory if it works like this?
i want a new phone allready, i kinda like the touch HD, but im afraid it will do the same thing to storage.
My VOX did not have this problem (sigh).
hey guys,would like to check where u installed the below software? either device memory or memory card?
1. Resco Explorer/Total Commander
2. Touchpal/SPB keyboard
3. SPB Mobile Shell
4. All the games
5. mapking/garmin
6. chinese or other font/CE-Star
7. S2U2
8. Gyrator/Gsen
9. Inesoft/iContact
10.G-alarm
11.Advance Config v3.3
12.SPB Pocket Plus
by the way, other than CE-Star, any other software that can allow us to read chinese in HD? i found CE-Star is not very compatible with my HD, and i read from other post that CE-Star will slow down the HD, is it true?
any of the application that i listed above have the feature for Clear Temp?
alexwai said:
hey guys,would like to check where u installed the below software? either device memory or memory card?
1. Resco Explorer/Total Commander: D
2. Touchpal/SPB keyboard: D
3. SPB Mobile Shell
4. All the games: SD
5. mapking/garmin: SD
6. chinese or other font/CE-Star: D
7. S2U2: I did not use it, if yes, D
8. Gyrator/Gsen: D
9. Inesoft/iContact: D
10.G-alarm: SD
11.Advance Config v3.3: D
12.SPB Pocket Plus: D
by the way, other than CE-Star, any other software that can allow us to read chinese in HD? i found CE-Star is not very compatible with my HD, and i read from other post that CE-Star will slow down the HD, is it true?
any of the application that i listed above have the feature for Clear Temp?
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CE star is 100% c/w with HD.
But is it a version from CE star or HTC?
The HTC version has been checked by HTC, so it is 100% compatible.
Monster Chinese could be another choice but it can't read Japanese and sometimes it will crash with certain programs.
Concerning slowing of HD, I do not have such feeling at all.
alexwai said:
hey guys,would like to check where u installed the below software? either device memory or memory card?
1. Resco Explorer/Total Commander
2. Touchpal/SPB keyboard
3. SPB Mobile Shell
4. All the games
5. mapking/garmin
6. chinese or other font/CE-Star
7. S2U2
8. Gyrator/Gsen
9. Inesoft/iContact
10.G-alarm
11.Advance Config v3.3
12.SPB Pocket Plus
by the way, other than CE-Star, any other software that can allow us to read chinese in HD? i found CE-Star is not very compatible with my HD, and i read from other post that CE-Star will slow down the HD, is it true?
any of the application that i listed above have the feature for Clear Temp?
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All of them are installed in device memory
genesicgaogaiga said:
CE star is 100% c/w with HD.
But is it a version from CE star or HTC?
The HTC version has been checked by HTC, so it is 100% compatible.
Monster Chinese could be another choice but it can't read Japanese and sometimes it will crash with certain programs.
Concerning slowing of HD, I do not have such feeling at all.
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hi, thanks for your prompt replied. my ce-star is come bundle in the box, so i think should be HTC version.
u installed so many application in the device? dont they eat up a lot device memory?
iamcrazyfire said:
All of them are installed in device memory
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...how many device memory u left>?
alexwai said:
...how many device memory u left>?
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about 100MB
iamcrazyfire said:
about 100MB
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enough for u for future installation?
by the way, when u installed more application in the device storage, will it slow down the device?
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hi, thanks for your prompt replied. my ce-star is come bundle in the box, so i think should be HTC version.
u installed so many application in the device? dont they eat up a lot device memory?
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storage 222M
program 116 M
What wrong with your CE star?
genesicgaogaiga said:
storage 222M
program 116 M
What wrong with your CE star?
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my device storage as below:
storage:
total = 324.91
in use=39.12
free=285.79
program:
total=195.98
in use=90.51
free=105.07
what are they different? every time we install the application to the device storage, it will ocupy in the storage,right? then,what is the program about?
No, some of the program memory will be used at the same time.
For example, try to see this memory after surfing the net with opera or IE. There will be a drop by 20Mb, but this can be restored after a soft reset.
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enough for u for future installation?
by the way, when u installed more application in the device storage, will it slow down the device?
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I think good enough for furture use.
The software /service that run in the BG will impact on performance only.
device memory is a precious and limited resource. i wouldnt waste that for static things like program installations. specially with opera its used a lot and the more pages you open in different tabs and the more complex a page is, the more device memory opera will need.
As a result, i install programs to device memory only if absolutely necessary, which is the case for programs others depend on, or is needed by Windows itself or TF3D. A few examples:
- NetCF3.5
- AE Button
- S2U2
Everything else goes to storage card, which is "endless" in size compared to device memory.
just my 0.02€
http://www.studiokuma.com/wm/?section=support
This one works with HD without any problem for Chinese input.
6Fg8 said:
device memory is a precious and limited resource. i wouldnt waste that for static things like program installations. specially with opera its used a lot and the more pages you open in different tabs and the more complex a page is, the more device memory opera will need.
As a result, i install programs to device memory only if absolutely necessary, which is the case for programs others depend on, or is needed by Windows itself or TF3D. A few examples:
- NetCF3.5
- AE Button
- S2U2
Everything else goes to storage card, which is "endless" in size compared to device memory.
just my 0.02€
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ok... i agree what u said, device memory is a precious and limited resource ... thanks a lot...
anywhere, what is AE button?
u install core player in memory card as well?
sproxy said:
http://www.studiokuma.com/wm/?section=support
This one works with HD without any problem for Chinese input.
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hi, thanks for ur suggest..
but, is it only support for traditional chinese? i use simplified chinese more..
after install this, i can read chinese already?
I'm installing nearly every software on my device. As the sd card can be removed it is totally non-sense to put software on it. The only thing I put on memory card are games, because they are mostly too big for the device flash.
Putting any software on memory card means that you loose performance, as the
card reading process is known to be slow (for the HD). So putting Opera on memory card is really not a booster.
The only thing, boosting up the opera's cache would be a ram disk. I have such a ram disk on my x51v and will try to configure it on the HD. This would be a real improvement.
So don't be afraid to install your software on your device with a 512 MB Rom thats not a problem at all. By installing really many applications your device will get slower, especially the boot-up will take some more time.
So the only thing you should consider is to install only software you really need, but then you should put it on your device.
Sorry about that.
I had the impression that there was a download link for simplified Chinese as well. I must be wrong.
johnpatcher said:
I'm installing nearly every software on my device. As the sd card can be removed it is totally non-sense to put software on it. The only thing I put on memory card are games, because they are mostly too big for the device flash.
Putting any software on memory card means that you loose performance, as the
card reading process is known to be slow (for the HD). So putting Opera on memory card is really not a booster.
The only thing, boosting up the opera's cache would be a ram disk. I have such a ram disk on my x51v and will try to configure it on the HD. This would be a real improvement.
So don't be afraid to install your software on your device with a 512 MB Rom thats not a problem at all. By installing really many applications your device will get slower, especially the boot-up will take some more time.
So the only thing you should consider is to install only software you really need, but then you should put it on your device.
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wo...thanks for ur good explaination....
seems like my question is very subjective, some said better install in device memory, on the other hand said better install in memory card...
alexwai said:
seems like my question is very subjective, some said better install in device memory, on the other hand said better install in memory card...
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I don't think its subjective at all. You are invited to put figure it out yourself.
Put Opera on a) your device and b) the memory card and finally c) a ram disk.
You can read something about ram disks here, and after playing around with it, you will see how fast it is .