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can u use sd card for program memory?

hi, I'd like to know if you can use the sd card and say partition it so that you can make your xda exec device use the storage on it as programe memory so it speeds the device up. this really is a fab device, but it really lacks the memory capacity that I had on a blue angel.
I have a 1gb sd card and don't mind loosing any storage space to accomplish this. if there isn't a way, can someone try and find a reg tweek for this....
anyway, I leave it with you...
cheers.
joey jojo

I think this is something which should be taken as a clue by developers who make programs such as Memaid, Pocket Mechanic, etc and include this as a a feature. Maybe the concept will be something similar to the Virtual Memory on a regular windows pc.
You are absolutely right, I too really miss the shortage of program memory. I can never open a really complicated web page with lots of images in Netfront before I get the dreadful warning that I have run out of program memory.
I hope some developer picks this up and incorporates this as a feature. I am sure this will increase his sales many many times.
Regards

you can put your internet explorer's cache on the sd-card...
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders\Cache]
change cache from '\windows\profiles\guest\temporari internet files' to '\SD_MMCard' to achieve this...
however you'll notice that it only slows your device incredibly down if your SD-Card is not set up right
see also http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=50301

There is just no way a third party program can add this. On the windows mobile team blog, there's a post from a few months back talking about doing virtual mem on the SD card, and basically, it's just not in the OS and won't be until at least WM6, and third-party programs can't do it.

JasperJanssen said:
There is just no way a third party program can add this. On the windows mobile team blog, there's a post from a few months back talking about doing virtual mem on the SD card, and basically, it's just not in the OS and won't be until at least WM6, and third-party programs can't do it.
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Those are very disappointing news...

Speaking of memory management and the OS itself..I really wonder during the development of WM5, did they try to come up with a better OS, or just building up upon WM2003.
Reason why I say this is my Universal crashed yesterday, and a look into the "Memory" panel in the Settings showed the OLD memory management screen along with the sliders and all... :lol:
Looks like the developers got lazy and just placed a panel on top of the old one :lol:

Ehh.. You guys want to be buying new SD cards every third month?
Flash memory like the SD cards have only a limited number of write operations before they fail.
Using them for storage is good, because you don't write to the cards that much.
Using them as memory would totally screw up the card in a rather short time.
And, I think using SD card for program memory would result in a slower application, because of the read/write speed of the SD compared to the RAM..
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3 months is just a figure of speach..
I have no idea of how much time it would take before failure occurs..
It would probably result in slower and slower performance, because some sectors would be worn out faster than others..

What you say about the writes before failure is right, but when you are faced with a £300 PDA that has the same amount of RAM as my little finger, you have to do something.
SD cards are cheap enough these days, and money grows on trees. I'd rather be able to leave programs open and not worry about how much it will slow the machine down to have more that three big apps running than I would be about coughing up for a new SD card every 3 months.
I have seen a 4GB card on Ebay for less than £80, Tescos sell 1GB for £30 these days.
The great thing about Tescos is their guarantee. You buy the card, write it to death, take it back for a full refund, no questions asked.

Tmobile Wing ship ROM low memory

Hello everyone, so I got the T-mobile wing wich is the same as the Herald a couple of days ago, and the first thing I checked when I turned it on was the program memory and it was very disappointing at around 17MB then it went down from there I never saw the 17 again, I have a few apps installed and now my memory is around 9MB after soft reset. I am not liking this about this device especially after been spoiled with the Core 2.0n ROm on my MDA (wizard) I had more apps installed and still had over 25 MB of program memory left, as far as I know the only way to make this better is to flash it with a cooked rom, but since that is too risky at this point with not having a ship rom to go to if phone gets briked I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts or solutions for this issue.
by the way I think other then the size of the wing I like the wizard better in many ways. share your thoughts.

Hummm... Are you installing your programs in storage memory or at the memory card? With exception of programs that interfere with the today screen, like wisbar advance for example, all programs should be installed in the memory card.
I have 19MB of storage memory still available... I've installed 19 programs, and only 5 are in the storage memory

BRSG said:
Hummm... Are you installing your programs in storage memory or at the memory card? With exception of programs that interfere with the today screen, like wisbar advance for example, all programs should be installed in the memory card.
I have 19MB of storage memory still available... I've installed 19 programs, and only 5 are in the storage memory
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I always install all programs on th mmory card I have a 2GB and I have 15 apps installed and 24.4 MB internal storage memory left so that one is ok, but I was talking about RAM memory that programs need to run not storage memory the on the right side when ou open the memory screen.

The problem is the pagepool.
All cooked rom for wizard have 4 or 8MB pagepool because that´s enough. I guess on wing it is the normal 12MB - too much.
We have to cook smaler ones and we will get back the big RAM like 30MB.
Let´s wait for official update and start cooking without the possibility of bricking.
lol

FZZF said:
I always install all programs on th mmory card I have a 2GB and I have 15 apps installed and 24.4 MB internal storage memory left so that one is ok, but I was talking about RAM memory that programs need to run not storage memory the on the right side when ou open the memory screen.
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Weird It is a fact that more today plugins result in less program memory, and there are some programs that even not being placed in today screen need alot of memory to run. I have about 20MB of free program memory. Maybe you should try to see which programs are using that much memory to run...

low memory on wing
I am experiencing the same thing. It sad when you have no programs running except for Activesync, and you can not even power up the camera. I have a T-mobile WdG care rep looking into it. The only other program i have installed is the slingplayer. I also have notice the a sling player error message showing not enough memory.

BRSG said:
Weird It is a fact that more today plugins result in less program memory, and there are some programs that even not being placed in today screen need alot of memory to run. I have about 20MB of free program memory. Maybe you should try to see which programs are using that much memory to run...
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You have the HTC p4350 so I am sure it's runing on different rom, I think the problem is with the T-Mobile USA Rom, it has too much crap on it I even did a soft reset right before customization to prevent the t-MO stuff to install and that gave me an extra 7MB of storage but no better on the program memory and the timobile stuff still installed. I did turn off all plug ins I even shut down all unnecessary processes with memmaid and the best I got was 13MB so I am pretty sure it's the rom and I thnk Papa is right it may have to do with the page pool and or a combination of both page pool and all the T-Mobile garbage in the rom.

cyberjr said:
I am experiencing the same thing. It sad when you have no programs running except for Activesync, and you can not even power up the camera. I have a T-mobile WdG care rep looking into it. The only other program i have installed is the slingplayer. I also have notice the a sling player error message showing not enough memory.
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yes it is sad when a cooked rom is a million times better then a ship rom made by the biggest software company in the world as Papa said I am waiting for an updated rom to be available to go back to in case something goes wrong while flashing a cooked rom, and it is only a matter of time before we can flash custom roms question is how long, I dont know how long I can handle the frustration of using this thing I installed IGO GPS yesterday and it would not run because of lack of memory so I think I am going back to the wizard until I can flash this dumb thing and by the way I don't think the T-mobile rep will come up with a solution but if he does please share it with us.

A lot of tweaking needed
I had to use Memmaid and move dll's to storage card and moved IE cache and email attachments to storage card too. Then I killed Live Search from the startup services as well as removed all things in the startup folder except services.lnk. I have two apps on the today screen and I am booting up with 20mb's free. It took some time but this will be a temporary fix until new ROM's make it here.

Using the dumped rom from the thread in the mobile 6 forum I was able to change the pagepool to 4 as well as strip out most of t-mobile's junk. While stripping out the extras did help, i'm not convinced that changing the pagepool will help. It certainly did increase the amount of free ram (27 at start dropping and hovering at 19 after several days) however I started noticing weird issues that I hadn't noticed with a 12 mb pagepool. Things like the today screen not refreshing or the wlan not starting. I'm think some of the device drivers may need to stay resident in the pagepool for normal functionality.
Overall, I've switched back to the 12 mb pagepool and everything works perfectly. The amount of free ram does get pretty low (around 4 mb) after opening all my programs but everything will still operate normally. I suspect the number reported may be somewhat misleading (like linux and vista) where it is using your free ram for caching purposes. Again i am basing this off the fact that everything will still load and work normally with low reported free ram. This is just a very long way to say that changing pagepool may introduce a new set of problems.

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kevinwatson5 said:
I had to use Memmaid and move dll's to storage card and moved IE cache and email attachments to storage card too. Then I killed Live Search from the startup services as well as removed all things in the startup folder except services.lnk. I have two apps on the today screen and I am booting up with 20mb's free. It took some time but this will be a temporary fix until new ROM's make it here.
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did u move all the dll's to the storage card on the tmobile wing?

interesting, I tried runing IGO nav and it reported an error saying it needed 6MB of memory to run I had to soft reset to get it to work, last night I installed SKTools and did some more tweeking with it and gained about 2MB of memory but not much I am wondering if the rom has some memory leaks somewhere because I can't even fin what apps are using so much memory at start up I got rid of most of them the only one I cant get rid of it the myfavs.

ericizzy1 said:
did u move all the dll's to the storage card on the tmobile wing?
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not all dlls will move like the omap and a few system dll's but I moved almost 8 I think, depends on how many apps you have installed too. I uninstalled some of the system software like oz im and tmobile mail wizard and had all of them running off the storage card too. I am getting 20mb free upon bootup and all the things are working as far as I know.

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kevinwatson5 said:
not all dlls will move like the omap and a few system dll's but I moved almost 8 I think, depends on how many apps you have installed too. I uninstalled some of the system software like oz im and tmobile mail wizard and had all of them running off the storage card too. I am getting 20mb free upon bootup and all the things are working as far as I know.
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if u could only tell me which dll's(that came installed on the wing) u moved, it will be great.

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I moved everyone that Memmaid would allow me to move, the ones that were in use could not be moved and that was only a couple.

Here's what I did and I have like 15mb to spare
I did a hard reset on my Wing - then, when T-mo's customizations started/tried to run, I did a soft reset (thus preventing their installation).
From this point I installed any and everything that i wished to have on my phone
(in my case this consisted of: total Commander; Sleuth's WM6VOIP; HTC Home Plug Today Plugin; RvBCrS HTC Startup animation; A_C Slide2Unlock; Chi-Tai Dang batteryStatus TD-Plugin; T-Mobile Soft Key Applet; PPCSoft psShutXP; HTC Audio Manager; The Equinoxe Wizard Retouched Dialer2; and By Boto XDA-Developers HTC Touch Comm Manager)
As you can see, I installed a lot of stuff and still I have sufficient room left on my device. will say that inevitably you may want to reset your device about once a day or so - because it appears to slow down and lose memory over time, but all in all it's no worse than my MDA ever was, plus I still have my MDA if I missed it that much (Which I don't).

xander803 said:
Using the dumped rom from the thread in the mobile 6 forum I was able to change the pagepool to 4 as well as strip out most of t-mobile's junk. While stripping out the extras did help, i'm not convinced that changing the pagepool will help. It certainly did increase the amount of free ram (27 at start dropping and hovering at 19 after several days) however I started noticing weird issues that I hadn't noticed with a 12 mb pagepool. Things like the today screen not refreshing or the wlan not starting. I'm think some of the device drivers may need to stay resident in the pagepool for normal functionality.
Overall, I've switched back to the 12 mb pagepool and everything works perfectly. The amount of free ram does get pretty low (around 4 mb) after opening all my programs but everything will still operate normally. I suspect the number reported may be somewhat misleading (like linux and vista) where it is using your free ram for caching purposes. Again i am basing this off the fact that everything will still load and work normally with low reported free ram. This is just a very long way to say that changing pagepool may introduce a new set of problems.
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Is it possible to use an empty extended rom to stop some of those problems???

Just want to share the info on solving the problem with the Wing mem problem.
I read and followed the instruction HERE. I have set the cache mem to 6mb. I now always have 11-15mb available and the phone is responsive. And the phone is been going strong for 2 days.

dangtong said:
Just want to share the info on solving the problem with the Wing mem problem.
I read and followed the instruction HERE. I have set the cache mem to 6mb. I now always have 11-15mb available and the phone is responsive. And the phone is been going strong for 2 days.
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What are you running in background??????
I have 26MB free while SPB mobile shell, today agenda and batterystatus are running - and 22MB when activesync is connected!
BUT i have the terra. But even without pagepoolchanging i had 20MB free. After all programs are installed.
So what are you running?????

got 8 free and only Mobile shell, Phone Suit and Weather running
**** this device

MicroSD RAM Hack! WICKED!!

Hey guys,
Go to http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=1466855
this is the original website.
Software you will need:
Phm RegEdit
QUOTE: "Speed up your Metro HTC Mogul with a Micro SD Card I would like to share this hack with my friends that have a smartphone on metro pcs.
I found this hack on a different site, tried it and works great on my mogul (flashed). One way I tested to see if it worked or not was by using Opera mobile. Everytime I surfed the internet on my phone, Opera would pop up saying i was out of memory (I have so many apps installed on my pda) and to close the tabs. It got so annoying that I uninstalled it and have been using PIE since then. Until recently, installed Opera mobile again, and notice the difference with this hack. No more pop ups. I went from site to site and it loaded it up. I notice major speed. I went to sites that had a hard time loading without the pop up warning me. This time, no pop up and fast upload... Now Opera mobile is the best web browser. My phone also has less freezes and boots up very fast after a reset.
I have an Kingston HC 8gb micro sd card and it works great.
As usual, use this tweak at your own risk.
How to use Micro SD card as RAM
1.Open a new folder “Volatile” on the SD card
2. Change the following key, using the registry editor:
from \HKLM\System\Filesys TempPath = \Application Data\Volatile
to \HKLM\System\Filesys TempPath = \Storage Card\Volatile
3. Turn off the pocket pc with the power button for about 30 sec (not soft reset/hard reset).
4. Turn it on again.
What software you can use to edit the registry:
PHM RegEdit (freeware): http://www.phm.lu/Products/PocketPC/RegEdit/
Here is also another speed hack if you don't want to use the one up above.
I have applied both tweaks to my phone.
Speed Hack
Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\GDI\GLYPHCACHE\
Changed limit from 16384 to 32768
Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS
Changed - CacheSize to 4096
(NEW!) Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\StorageManager\Filters\f sreplxfilt
Change “ReplStoreCacheSize” dword decimal value to 4096 or 8192
Posted by: Malatesta
Source: http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=127164
This was tested on Sprint HTC Mogul 6800 flashed to metro pcs"
I tried this in my Mogul and it seemed to work with my MicroSD 1GB. I noticed it booted up very fast, but the Opera Mobile 9.5 beta still showed Out of Memory. I guess I'll just have to wait until my 4GB MicroSD comes in from Amazon! There is some speed difference though with both on. No wonder it worked so well on his phone because he had an 8GB MicroSD! Anyways, just wanted to let most of you guys know.. PEACE

I posted this same message on the original thread as well.
This shouldn't work for the fact that it's not giving you additional memory, all "folders" in the phone are part of ROM memory, not RAM, so even tho you point that at your sd card, it's still not giving you back any ram which is what the Moguls lack, I think it's just a coincidence that you see a different in Opera. To prove me wrong, undo this hack, (reboot your phone) check your "free" ram, and then redo the hack reboot, and check it again.
You should see the exact same amount of free ram. And therefore won't gain any benefit.
Another thing, depending on your SD card, some being faster than others, if the SD card memory is slower than the built in ROM memory of the phone, this could actually lead to things being slower. I imagine in your case you have a fast card, and you see speed improvements because of it being able to write faster to the card than your ROM, but not any other benefits.
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WOW
Best registry edit hands down i have about 7 apps open and it isn't lagging or freezing the apps i have open are thumbcal total commander tcpmp palringo calculator skyfire W.V.D. and task manager ... simply amazing and unheard of opening this many things with out lag just wow

hmmm doing some testing now .. will report later.. so far so good.. BTW
the regedit it damm cool..

I have cabbed up all of these tweaks for those of you that don't want to do the registry edits yourself. I have tested it with the emulator and it works great, but install this at your own risk.
Enjoy,
dwizzy130

Now it says I'm using up 10% more RAM than I was using before. Doesn't work for me....placebo? Has anyone else looked at their RAM usage?

Meditato said:
Now it says I'm using up 10% more RAM than I was using before. Doesn't work for me....placebo? Has anyone else looked at their RAM usage?
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Ditto..
Un mod

This is a very interesting idea. I've tried it and also found the loss of free ram to be a problem. But I'm running M2d. I tried dwizzy130's cab (which uninsulated with no prob). The volatile folder was populated with hidden files but i did get the low mem warning.
dogw/mogul: Are you running a stock rom? Whats your setup? I'd like to see if i can reproduce your results. I have made so many mods to my phone that one or a few maybe causing the prob. Maybe a different rom/radio/setup would produce better results.
This is an eyebrow raiser for sure!
Edit: Ok, By following the instructions manually I have the edit in place with out the extra loss of memory. The phone will still close apps after a point but your are correct in saying that the lag is reduced! It is noticeable. I'm thinking of dropping M2D and going back to dcd 3.4 just to see what performance would be like.
has anyone removed the SD card just to see what will happen?
I'm running M2D Reload 1.1
DCD 3.6.3
Radio 3.4
Sandisk 8GB HCSD

the cab install makes my phone use about 10% more ram but when i uninstalled it and just have the first hack i had 10 programs open including s2p and wmp playing music on both and still ran pretty smooth with very little lag. works nicely. i have 4gb card and 2gbs taken up by music and cabs ect. the other 2gbs is free.

dogw/mogul said:
Hey guys,
Go to http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=1466855
this is the original website.
Software you will need:
Phm RegEdit
QUOTE: "Speed up your Metro HTC Mogul with a Micro SD Card I would like to share this hack with my friends that have a smartphone on metro pcs.
I found this hack on a different site, tried it and works great on my mogul (flashed). One way I tested to see if it worked or not was by using Opera mobile. Everytime I surfed the internet on my phone, Opera would pop up saying i was out of memory (I have so many apps installed on my pda) and to close the tabs. It got so annoying that I uninstalled it and have been using PIE since then. Until recently, installed Opera mobile again, and notice the difference with this hack. No more pop ups. I went from site to site and it loaded it up. I notice major speed. I went to sites that had a hard time loading without the pop up warning me. This time, no pop up and fast upload... Now Opera mobile is the best web browser. My phone also has less freezes and boots up very fast after a reset.
I have an Kingston HC 8gb micro sd card and it works great.
As usual, use this tweak at your own risk.
How to use Micro SD card as RAM
1.Open a new folder “Volatile” on the SD card
2. Change the following key, using the registry editor:
from \HKLM\System\Filesys TempPath = \Application Data\Volatile
to \HKLM\System\Filesys TempPath = \Storage Card\Volatile
3. Turn off the pocket pc with the power button for about 30 sec (not soft reset/hard reset).
4. Turn it on again.
What software you can use to edit the registry:
PHM RegEdit (freeware): http://www.phm.lu/Products/PocketPC/RegEdit/
Here is also another speed hack if you don't want to use the one up above.
I have applied both tweaks to my phone.
Speed Hack
Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\GDI\GLYPHCACHE\
Changed limit from 16384 to 32768
Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS
Changed - CacheSize to 4096
(NEW!) Navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\StorageManager\Filters\f sreplxfilt
Change “ReplStoreCacheSize” dword decimal value to 4096 or 8192
Posted by: Malatesta
Source: http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=127164
This was tested on Sprint HTC Mogul 6800 flashed to metro pcs"
I tried this in my Mogul and it seemed to work with my MicroSD 1GB. I noticed it booted up very fast, but the Opera Mobile 9.5 beta still showed Out of Memory. I guess I'll just have to wait until my 4GB MicroSD comes in from Amazon! There is some speed difference though with both on. No wonder it worked so well on his phone because he had an 8GB MicroSD! Anyways, just wanted to let most of you guys know.. PEACE
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I originally posted that on HowardForums... my mogul was fast and never lagged... but, I like to experiment with tweaks and 3rd party apps... so I had to do a hard reset... here is where an issue came up... using Resco Backup, I was unable to successfully restore for the fact that it was tweaked toward the SD card... my suggestion... use Sprite Backup... make an original exe copy and save it to your external card... then save another exe copy of the tweak version... so now you have two back ups...
Now, with the opera mobile... use this tweaked version of Opera Mobile browser http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459378
No more "out of memory" issues Opera Mobile with Dexter's version....

I am still using my old 1GB SD card I had in my old phone (LG VX8300). Since I use orb for everything, I didn't see a need to get a new card. But with this hack I am tempted to do so. Hmmm got to think about this one.
edit: going to do this hack first then see if there is improvement. If its slow but have more memory then I will definetly get a faster card.
edit (again): can someone make a cab file for the first set of registry settings? Thanks!

If you were using your microSD card as RAM it would last you a few hours a best, cards cannot sustain the amount of data writing required to emulate RAM. Plus RAM operates on a bus directly with the processor, hence why it's directly assignable in assembly, which absolutely is not the case with SD cards which have to deal with a file system and interfacing hardware. Honestly extending RAM onto an SD card would make your phone run infinitely SLOWER.
Maybe there are other parts of this "Hack" that work but the idea that you can use and SD card as RAM is simply garbage.

ok cool I don't want do it then. u know that opera mobile that monte linked is great. no memory errors. It just doesn't work too good in landscape or with a hardware keyboard.

Ok so I installed the cab but I don't see any change. I still have 12 to 14MB running Manila 2D. ideas? I have 300MB or space left onmy SD Card

As I said in my first reply, this will NOT give you extra memory. Depending on the speed of your SD card, it may increase the performance on some programs, but there is no way to give the phone more ram with any registry changes. You would have to write a very low level driver that would then cause it to see additional storage as available memory, but since it's not ram, it will be extremely slow. On the original PPC's, 2003 and earlier, it had no rom, just ram, and it balanced the storage and available ram with software so that you could adjust. With the newer versions of windows mobile there is ROM and RAM, each with it's own function. So unless you were involved in the original development of the OS, it's doubtful you would have the knowledge to be able to write this kind of driver, and therefore it will probably never happen.
So this is a hack worth testing, and if you have a very fast memory card, you may see some improvements, but it will not give additional ram, and could actually cause your phone to crash if you remove the memory cards because background processes will be utilizing the memory card.
My suggestion is to not even bother with this unless you just want to test with it.

Moving the volatile storage from FASTER internal rom to SLOWER external rom is not going to get you any additional RAM, and at best will simply slow things down.
Placebo caused by the soft reset that you must do.

regarding the statements about the tweaks or cab file that the other guy provided causing you to lose ram. That is correct and thats what speeds up your system. Increasing those values allocates free ram for those specific areas speeding up the filesystem and speed of the device. So technically you didnt lose any ram its just being used for other parts of the devise to speed it up

I saw no improvement... could just be me. And my audio manager would just skip through all songs with this reg edit applied. When i put it back the way it was audio manager played all songs fine.

Wow.
Wow. I manually did the reg-edits just now and I'm not on crack. Manila 2D is considerably smoother, Skyfire loads much faster and I was able to open up multiple other progams without any lag. This is ridiculous! Nice find!

My phone ran much slower with the update, I did it just for sh*t and giggles, and was right, no additional memory, and apparently my 8gb sd card is slower than the onboard rom because it ran probably 15% slower.
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How to increase the memory?

I have only a few things loaded into my phone and most of the programs are loaded into the memory card (8 gig). so why is it out of no where, i have only 9 Megs of memory left for storage!?!!?
since i'm on SPB Mobile Shell 3, can i just uninstall HTC's home thing? it's really obsolete now that the Shell 3 is not only beautiful but easy to use and very well laid out (which basically saying i did a good job laying it out).
what can be done to increase memory size? what is needed and what isn't?
thanks!!

chivas228 said:
I have only a few things loaded into my phone and most of the programs are loaded into the memory card (8 gig). so why is it out of no where, i have only 9 Megs of memory left for storage!?!!?
since i'm on SPB Mobile Shell 3, can i just uninstall HTC's home thing? it's really obsolete now that the Shell 3 is not only beautiful but easy to use and very well laid out (which basically saying i did a good job laying it out).
what can be done to increase memory size? what is needed and what isn't?
thanks!!
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dude, you must have a heap of stuff installed on your device. I install a fair bit of stuff with each new ROM, but generally have between 60 - 80 mb free.
you sure you haven't downloaded some stuff accidentally to your device instead of your storage card?

Sounds like your card could be corrupt.You could try put it in a card reader right click on your card in my computer click properties on under the tools tab click error checking.You could also try http://www.wizcode.com/products/view/pocket_mechanic_professional this is a demo but will let you scan your disk and fix cross linked files or corrupted volumes.

cr1960 said:
dude, you must have a heap of stuff installed on your device. I install a fair bit of stuff with each new ROM, but generally have between 60 - 80 mb free.
you sure you haven't downloaded some stuff accidentally to your device instead of your storage card?
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well, i started off with 6.0 and upgraded to the oem 6.1 rom. i've stuck with it since it's simple and didn't seem to have much problems based on feedbacks on this board. i'm not sure if the OEM rom is bloated or not. maybe... hum... i'll have to look into that.
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Sounds like your card could be corrupt.You could try put it in a card reader right click on your card in my computer click properties on under the tools tab click error checking.You could also try http://www.wizcode.com/products/view/pocket_mechanic_professional this is a demo but will let you scan your disk and fix cross linked files or corrupted volumes.
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i have SK tools but i've also used Pocket Mechanic before but i don't remember if it made any difference. i'll give it a try and report back. Thanks!

Hello
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I have only a few things loaded into my phone and most of the programs are loaded into the memory card (8 gig). so why is it out of no where, i have only 9 Megs of memory left for storage!?!!?
since i'm on SPB Mobile Shell 3, can i just uninstall HTC's home thing? it's really obsolete now that the Shell 3 is not only beautiful but easy to use and very well laid out (which basically saying i did a good job laying it out).
what can be done to increase memory size? what is needed and what isn't?
thanks!!
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r u talkin about the phone memory or the memory card

syto203 said:
r u talkin about the phone memory or the memory card
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the phone memory.
i did the unthinkable for me today. i did a hard reset so i'm starting from scratch. i'm not sure what happened but now i have what i suspect is the "normal" amount of phone storage size which is 78 megs.
i think when i did a restore on the phone, it doubled what was in storage thus causing the low amount of memory.
i guess sometimes it's good to do a hard reset to clean things up though i had my phone setup perfectly... exactly the way i want it except for the memory part.

sygic cant calculate routes above 250 km

hello fellow chefs
i have a problem that whas brought to my attention by a user of my blackstone rom
he uses sygic as navigation and he wanted to calculate a route from netherlands to france and it cant finish calculating as it says it runs out of memory:s
when i tap the taskmaanger it mostly says arround 60% so i gues there is enough also when i look at storage in taskmanager it says
total 191.05 mb
in use 93 mb
free 98.05 mb (these valeus are after a soft reset with 49%)
there is more free then in use so i guess there is enough
also he pointed me to a program where you could test ram wich isnt working on my rom but is working on multiple other roms he has used:S
i also tried it myself by downloading sygic and i came to the same conclusion:S
also the program tells me the same when i want to do a ram check
when i start the program it says at least 21.25 mb free space is needed on the storage device
when i look at taskmanger at the storage section it tells me i have 255 mb free:S
you guys can downlaod the program here: http://rapidshare.com/files/334876190/pocketmechanic.2.99.283.CBD.zip
its a free program so no warezlink
when you instal the program and open it you have the option card benchmark
there you can choose over wich memory you want to perform it
when i say ram it tells me 15% of my ram is used and
302.25mb, 84.68% free
by my calculation 84% of 302 is way more then then the 21 mb the cecker talks about:-o
hope some one can help me solve this strange ram problem as i think the calculation fails of the strange ram thing
edit: gonna put the memorymap from my buildlog here maybe you can see something there
as it says by ram 43 free:-o still its more then the 21 the ram chacker talks about:s
Code:
Memory Map...
SLOT 0: 0x02000000 - 0x018b0000 (END: 0x00060000, 0 MODULES)
0x02000000 - 0x01fc0000 - ROM 0
0x01f80000 - 0x018b0000 - ROM 1
SLOT 1: 0x04000000 - 0x02020000 (END: 0x02020000, 211 MODULES)
SLOT 60: 0x7a000000 - 0x78e40000 (END: 0x78020000, 52 MODULES)
SLOT 61: 0x7c000000 - 0x7a022000 (END: 0x7a020000, 239 MODULES)
RAM IMAGE: 0x80000000 - 0x803e6560
RAM: 0x803e7000 - 0x80475000 - Used for kernel modules
0x80475000 - 0x83000000 - 43 MB free

bumping my 1 post question and got another one
can someone share the htc in call recoreder package including certificates?
thanks in advance

It's probably running out of virtual memory in the slot used by sygic.

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It's probably running out of virtual memory in the slot used by sygic.
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and can this be changed cause he says he only has the problem with the rom i make:S

How big do you have the datacache (and others in boot.rgu) set? Maybe that's a problem, if it's too big. You should run virtualmemory.exe while the app is running to see if the problem is virtual memory management.

every setting i have is found here on xda so i gues everybody should have the problem then as all of them are in hd2 general section
also the bootrgu i have changed one thing there wich is
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\FLASHDRV\FATFS]
"DataCacheSize"=dword:00001000 ;4096 sectors(4096*2048=8MB)
normally this whas at 4 mb but found it in a pdf from da_g i believe that you could set it to 8 but on the default valeu and the 8 mb valeu does the same
so i dont thing its this setting thats interferring:-o
will try that program you mentioned
anything special i need to look at there
edit: any chance you can point in the direction where to download that program as i cant seem to find it only source code:S
edit2: never mind after some more googling i found you already posted it somewhere thanks

maybe bit of a noob question but where does the program puts the snapshot:-o
i made two but i cant seem to find them stored anywhere:-o

You need to take a screen-cap; it doesn't save the snapshots for you.

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You need to take a screen-cap; it doesn't save the snapshots for you.
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lol
i saw snapshot so i thought it whas to make a picture
here is a foto of the phone in idle after a day of use
i first did the snapshot as im not sure what it does
can you see something strange on the picture?

So, you don't have sygic running in that one? Slot 15 is pretty porky; what process is that? You need to scroll left and right to see the processes for each slot. You may need to run vol d-pad to do that on the HD, though. Slots 9 and 10 have low-lying dll's (or some other resource). I suspect that what happens is that sygic loads a resource that is even lower, and maybe it crunches into slot 2 (filesys.exe) or the process in 15. The other possibility is that sygic creates really large heaps when it's doing big calculations (>250 km), and then the memory grows up in that slot to the level where those lower lying dll's are in slots 9 and 10. Even though those dll's (if that's what they are, and not some type of static resource) may not load into the sygic slot, the memory manager still accounts for them in all of the VM slots, so they will limit how big the heaps can grow in any process.
If I were you, I'd run sygic and do a VM snapshot. Also, get devhealth.exe (search on it), run it, and see what those dll's are in slots 9 and 10. They may be the issue. Mainly, see if their shared or static (like a .plg file in tcpmp). Of course, I could be totallly wrong about this, lol.

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So, you don't have sygic running in that one? Slot 15 is pretty porky; what process is that? You need to scroll left and right to see the processes for each slot. You may need to run vol d-pad to do that on the HD, though. Slots 9 and 10 have low-lying dll's (or some other resource). I suspect that what happens is that sygic loads a resource that is even lower, and maybe it crunches into slot 2 (filesys.exe) or the process in 15. The other possibility is that sygic creates really large heaps when it's doing big calculations (>250 km), and then the memory grows up in that slot to the level where those lower lying dll's are in slots 9 and 10. Even though those dll's (if that's what they are, and not some type of static resource) may not load into the sygic slot, the memory manager still accounts for them in all of the VM slots, so they will limit how big the heaps can grow in any process.
If I were you, I'd run sygic and do a VM snapshot. Also, get devhealth.exe (search on it), run it, and see what those dll's are in slots 9 and 10. They may be the issue. Mainly, see if their shared or static (like a .plg file in tcpmp). Of course, I could be totallly wrong about this, lol.
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muchias gracias for youre help farmer ted
i opend up that virtual memory again and changed to different things
then i opend sygic and took a snapshot again
as you can see its going into slot 14 and every time i took a snapshot the bar went up showing more green(green means in use?)
i just looked up that slot without sygic and it tells me its the slot of tmail.exe
dont think tmail does much in that slot or its a big thing
also on the end i have all those empty slots cant it be reasignd to a new slot so it has a full bar(see the screenshot with sygic calculating a route)
will also try the program you mentioned when i get back from doing my things today as i have some appointments
edit: see you also asked what slot 15 is when i look it up it tells me its manilla.exe and im running sense2.5 from leo 3.04 so it could be heavy

Well, that's it, then. It sounds like sygic has a massive memory leak, if the heap size keeps growing. And this just confirms what I've known since the first day I got my Fuze: Manila sucks, lol.
I'm not sure why the slot 9 and 10 dll's are loaded so low. What processes are those? Maybe something in startup is causing it, and can be fixed.

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Well, that's it, then. It sounds like sygic has a massive memory leak, if the heap size keeps growing. And this just confirms what I've known since the first day I got my Fuze: Manila sucks, lol.
I'm not sure why the slot 9 and 10 dll's are loaded so low. What processes are those? Maybe something in startup is causing it, and can be fixed.
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thank god inever uused sygic then as it seems a stupid deep going problem
as for manilla sucks im not sure about it
the hd is my first htc device and i think the experience is nice(better then all samsungs i had
for the slots i will write them all down maybe thats easier then asking what is this and what is that(check code box below)
further when i look at windows/startup i have three things there
htc startup, pkg, and poutlook
the htcstartup also has a speaker infront of it with a x behind the speaker(hope you get what i mean)
Code:
slot1: rom dlls
slot2: filesys.exe
slot3: cprog.exe
slot4: backportrait.exe
slot5: device.exe
slot6: gwes.exe(this is a colorfull rom so i can imagine its a little high:p)
slot7: shell32.exe
slot8: virtualmemory.exe
slot9: fexplore.exe
slot10: services.exe
slot11: connmgr.exe
slot12: repllog.exe
slot13: empty
slot14: tmail.exe(sygic will be loaded in this one)
slot15: manilla.exe
slot16: jblenddaemon.exe(have read this can turned off from startup to save a little ram what do you think about that?)
slot17: commmanager.exe
slot18: empty
slot19: empty
slot20: sapsettings
the rest are all empty

I would say remove jblenddaemon.exe; it must be a java app? If you don't use java, there's no reason to have it running. You might sapsettings.exe from startup as well, if you're not using it at all. I removed it a long time ago, but I don't use bluetooth much, and when I do, it works fine without sapsettings. I think I read that it's for connecting to you car or something for hands free.
It's weird that you have the lower lying dll's (if I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing in slots 9 and 10). They definitely seem to be the wall that driver.exe is running into. I also don't know what's up with fexplore.exe. It's using a lot of VM. Is that the extended file explorer? Last time I used it, it would eat a lot of ram if you highlight pics and it showed the previews.

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I would say remove jblenddaemon.exe; it must be a java app? If you don't use java, there's no reason to have it running. You might sapsettings.exe from startup as well, if you're not using it at all. I removed it a long time ago, but I don't use bluetooth much, and when I do, it works fine without sapsettings. I think I read that it's for connecting to you car or something for hands free.
It's weird that you have the lower lying dll's (if I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing in slots 9 and 10). They definitely seem to be the wall that driver.exe is running into. I also don't know what's up with fexplore.exe. It's using a lot of VM. Is that the extended file explorer? Last time I used it, it would eat a lot of ram if you highlight pics and it showed the previews.
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thanks for the quick overview
the jblenddeamon is the java app
i personally never used it but there are some people using my rom who do use it:-o
guess it will be activated when they start up jblend
im gonna build a rom with jblend and the sapsettings taken out of the bootlauncher and gonna try it again to see what happens
also the file explorer is the normal fexplorer from the 21911 sys
it looks to me the verry same as every other file explorer i have seen on other roms so no preview of pictures you think i need a different fexlorer.exe?
and if so can you recommend one

I was just wondering if you were using the extended file explorer (2.06, I think; by Houming). It's pretty cool, but I personally use total commander and almost never use file explorer, so I don't use the extended on anymore, either. I was never able to make a package with it that worked, so I just did a cab install during customization. The cab is kind of weird, and I can't say I understand how it works. It actually loads up two file explorers (should have remembered that, and known yours wasn't the extended one). I attached the cab for 2.06-I packed this one, and it's compressed and doesn't have the uninstall crap loaded into it.
Sapsettings just doesn't seem to do anything. It doesn't use much memory, but you get quicker boot times when you take stuff like that out of the queue. If anyone really needs it to run, you can just give them a shortcut. You can always just remover the registry keys from your own device after a flash.

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I was just wondering if you were using the extended file explorer (2.06, I think; by Houming). It's pretty cool, but I personally use total commander and almost never use file explorer, so I don't use the extended on anymore, either. I was never able to make a package with it that worked, so I just did a cab install during customization. The cab is kind of weird, and I can't say I understand how it works. It actually loads up two file explorers (should have remembered that, and known yours wasn't the extended one). I attached the cab for 2.06-I packed this one, and it's compressed and doesn't have the uninstall crap loaded into it.
Sapsettings just doesn't seem to do anything. It doesn't use much memory, but you get quicker boot times when you take stuff like that out of the queue. If anyone really needs it to run, you can just give them a shortcut. You can always just remover the registry keys from your own device after a flash.
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just a quick update as im in a hurry
need to go away to arrange some things for my house in 15 min and i still need to shower:-o
i made a rom without those two thins and damn the rom has bacome faster
also the virtualmemory looks a lot emptier:-o
will post screenshot later today when im finished arranging things
also tried sygic and it managed to calculate alot further but still missing 200 km of the route i want it to be calculated:-o
do you know the differnece between poutlook and tmail.exe?
maybe i can take one of those two out

I'm not really sure what the difference is, to be honest. I don't run either at startup. I don't text much and almost never email, but regardless, you can still do it w/o any issues. I guess maybe outlook loads quicker with one or the other running. I run 11 processes at startup:
nk.exe
filesys.exe
device.exe
gwes.exe
services.exe
shell32.exe
connmgr.exe
cprog.exe
AEBPlus.exe (AE Button)
SpeedBmonitor.exe (Speed Booster; sort of helps, doesn't use much memory)
XHook.exe (XTask task manager)
I also have a shortcut that runs at startup to expand the file dialogue and another to activate resco keyboard, but those processes only run a few seconds each.
That's just 11 processes; the first 6 are mandatory, the next 2 are needed for most things (although you can kill them for maybe a little better performance gaming or something like that-you definitely don't need cprog on an airplane), and the latter 3 are just apps that I run/use all the time. I don't miss any of the other processes, and with fewer processes going, you get faster boot times. My fuze usually boots in 60-65 seconds, which is pretty nice.

well used the rom for a day now as i flashed it yesterday evening before i went to bed
the strangest thing is jblend has activated itself:-o
wonder what triggerd it to get activated as i havent opend java:S
i only used messenegr a little today but its windows its own messenger so i dont think its java related:S
you have any idea what could have opend the jblend?
also the order of what is where has changed but i dont think that does matter as i think all slots are equal of size or have they different sizes?
i will also post a screenshot of the new virtual memory but with jblend in it and sygic gets loaded in that one when i start it up:S
im totally starting to hate this program
you think the screenshots looks better now on how everything is managed?
also i read somewhere if i format my memorycard with bigger clusters it will become faster
what do you think about that?
could this speed up route calculating as the maps or on my sd card
also i will try to remove some more from the startup and hopefully this will give me better sygic calculating things
again thansk or helping em with this probblem as i think i cant solve this alone
Code:
slot1: rom dlls
slot2: filesys.exe
slot3: backportrait.exe
slot4: virtualmemory.exe
slot5: device.exe
slot6: gwes.exe
slot7: shell32
slot8: fexplore.exe
slot9: manila.exe
slot10: services.exe
slot11: connmgr.exe
slot12: cprog.exe
slot13: poutlook.exe
slot14: tmail.exe
slot15: commmanager.exe
slot16: jblendeamon.exe
the rest are all empty

I would check the jblend package and make sure there's not a reg key that's starting it up in the .reg file. The order of processes in the slots depends on the order that the processes are booted up. You can get some processes in an early slot just because there's some transient processes initiated during bootup that only run briefly, then close, which re-opens the slot for the next process in line. If you kill cprog, then start another app, it will go into cprog's slot, so then if you restart cprog, it will be in slot 13 or something like that.
Larger cluster sizes definitely speed up an sd card; I have a 16 g card, which normally had 32 kb clusters. I lowered it once to 4 kb clusters, which freed up maybe 100 mb of memory, but scanning the card became nearly impossible. Normally, if I run scandisk (I do it daily), it takes 5 min. But it would take 40 min or so with the smaller cluster size. Also, benchmarking showed that writing to the card was a lot slower (reading too, I think).
You still seem to have some low lying dll's in slots 9 and 10, which is weird.