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Hi All,
I currently have an O2 online contract which I have had for about 16months now. After seeing that the XDAIIs are £150 cheaper in O2 stores than online I decided to change my contract to an O2 store type and cancel the online contract and port my existing number accross from online to the new one.
After calling round lots of O2 stores to be told that they have none left in stock, I found a shop with 1 left so hurried along to buy. The girl in the shop though told me that they can port number across from other networks, but not between the online and shop flavours of O2 because they are the same company. Funny that when I go into a shop with a problem on my online contract they tell me that they are different companies and can't do anything !! grr. Needless to say, I didn't buy the XDAII.
Does anyone know if this is truely the case because I do need to keep my existing number and also don't really fancy paying £349 from the online store when they are selling £150 cheaper just down the road. !
Thanks for any info.
Rgds,
Rob.
Hi
That's absolutely pants that is. That is exactly what I did. I had an online contract and bought an XDA2 from the retail side & kept my online number! They can do it, you just need to push them. Once you do they are actually quite helpful.
Have fun! Be assertive!
Thanks for the reply Pete. I didn't think that it was impossible to do.
I'll be back there tomorrow wearing my angry face
I'll let you know how I get on.
Thanks,
Rob.
I had a similar problem, they said that I couldn't port an O2 number to O2 (this is in effect an upgrade) only from other networks. I pushed them and they said it could be done - I signed a new contract, got a temporary number (which was no use to me as I didn't want to give my many contacts a temporary number) so I put my old SIM in the XDAII until they ported the number - it took them over a month to finally port the number, but they did give me 4 months free line rental as compensation.
Well done m8. Just show what can be done when you push! I also ended up with several months free line rental. They ended up moving the new contract to my old sim card. A 'Migration' they call it!
Don't give up just keep pushin.
Good luck!
You need to get your PAC code from online o2 and then take it to the shop.
The XDA2 is going to be £299 in shops from the 1st of March
Has it gone up! Was £199 in o2 stores. Hope not as I haven't been able to get one anywhere, have emailed o2 ceo as i'm so pissed off.
Unless thats £299 offline..... I wish
They were only 199 for febuary back to 299 now onwards.
Sorry people.
Staff got theres for 150 sim free.
8)
Can a new user, onto his second post, dare correct you all (but do so on the basis that he had exactly this, and it lead to a full investigation from the then OFTEL)?
Sorry to say it folks, but whilst SOME Service Providers, or even individual staff themselves, will let you 'port' from one Service Provider on the same network to another SP on the same network, there is ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL OBLIGATION FOR THEM TO DO THIS.
I know this from huge problems I had with Singlepoint as SP for O2, Porting into them a number from O2 (then BT Mobile SP).
So I took my case to OFTEL.
And guess waht - the reason for this is clear.
Legislation provides for Porting numbers, and places a legal obligation on Networks and SP's to do exactly this.
BUT...
Going from one service provider to a different one, but within the same network, is not covered. Becuase it ISN'T a PORT - it is a MIGRATION.
Only if the networks are different, does a PORT ensue.
And ONLY a Port is bound by Oftel (at the time - now OFCOM) regulations.
So many of you MIGHT manage this (in the end Singlepoint did for me, after all the hoo-ha).
But there is absolutely no compulsion for them to do this, and nothing you can do in law to force them, if they refuse.
Please don't think I am making this up - a simple call to OFCOM will answer your query.
BUT, bear in mind this was a while back, and the case investigator from OFTEL told me at that time that plans were afoot to change this in future to cover migrations too. So it might be worth that call to OFCOM...
Hope this helps folks.
Are you saying you had a problem with singlepoint giving you the PAC code?
They should give it to you no matter where you say the number is going?
Richard
u05rdh said:
Are you saying you had a problem with singlepoint giving you the PAC code?
They should give it to you no matter where you say the number is going?
Richard
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I'm gonna sound rude here, but no thats completely what i am not saying, as my post should indicate.
I was going FROM O2 (with O2/BT Cellnet/Mobile as the Service Provider) TO Singlepoint (O2).
And what Singlepoint would not do, is ACCEPT my PAC code.
Hence why I went to OFTEL.
Only to find that Singlepoint were well within their rights not to accept the PAC code, and transfer IN my number, as it wasn't a PORT at all (PAC = Port Authorisation Code - hint!)
Becuase only if there is a change of networks, does it amount to a PORT. If it is inter network, but different services providers, it is a MIGRATION, which has no legal obligation (or at least didn't at that time).
So what my post was clearly warning, is that UNLESS THERE IS A CHANGE OF NETWORK, it is not a PORT< but instead, a migration.
And for migrations, Service Providers have no compulsion or legal obligation to let you bring your number over - it is entirely at their own discretion.
Only a PORT (which as I said, needs a change of network), has legal obligation to it on the part of a Servie Provider.
I hope that clarifies. :wink:
I spoke to a guy from O2 (the customer care line I think) and when I queried him about being about to migrate numbers from O2 Online to O2 Shop, he was saying I couldn't, but also sounding uncertain. As if he wanted to tell me something but couldn't. In the end he said that O2 are not obliged to migrate the number across because of the administration charge that they incur. As he was sounding strange, I said 'Are you trying to tell me that I should be able to get my number migrated across if I keep on at them, but you are not allowed to tell me that' To which he replied 'Yes'
Rgds,
Rob.
Rob_B said:
I spoke to a guy from O2 (the customer care line I think) and when I queried him about being about to migrate numbers from O2 Online to O2 Shop, he was saying I couldn't, but also sounding uncertain. As if he wanted to tell me something but couldn't. In the end he said that O2 are not obliged to migrate the number across because of the administration charge that they incur. As he was sounding strange, I said 'Are you trying to tell me that I should be able to get my number migrated across if I keep on at them, but you are not allowed to tell me that' To which he replied 'Yes'
Rgds,
Rob.
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In my experience (after the case I had with OFTEL), the ONLY people willing to allow a number transfer on a migration rather than a port, is O2 Online and O2 (O2 Proper, with themselves as the serive provider - not a third party like Singlepoint).
Which fits with what you have said. BUT like you mention - its at their discretion - so sound nce, and keep plugging if they first say no.
Singlepoint will NOT allow you to bring in your existing number, from another provider, if the network remains the same - i.e they will not allow number transfers with a migration - but instead ONLY with a PORT, which they are legally obliged to anyhow.
And maybe I should clarify the Network's logic for this...
If you go from one network, TO another, then the network you have left LOSES a customer/number/statistic/figure, when it comes to reporting year end customer numbers.
On the other hand, the network you are going to, gains a new customer/number/statistic, to include in their year end report of number base/connects.
Thus the new network is happy to do this, and subsidise handsets etc etc.
On the other hand, if all you are changing is Service Providers, then the NETWORK gains absolutely nothing - as they lose one customer to in effect gain another.
Thus absolutely no incentive or financial reason for them to promote this.
And I took the liberty to check, and alas, there has still been no change with OFCOM in terms of the law - ONLY a number PORT (which means a complete change of NETWORK), is legally enforceable in terms of them accepting a number port.
A MIGRATION (chenge of Service Provider, but remaining on the same Network), still has no legal obligation.
Hope this helps.
Like said before in this thread, the louder you shout, the more you get heard, and the more you push, the more succesfull you will be. Nice people don't get anything, just high bills
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Like said before in this thread, the louder you shout, the more you get heard, and the more you push, the more succesfull you will be. Nice people don't get anything, just high bills
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IF YOU SAY SO! :wink:
Was that loud enough for you :lol:
hello everyone
this is my first post, and i will admit straight away that i work for one of the big "independent retailers" so have no problem/loyalty with any network..........
i know from previous posts that i may be teaching some of you to suck eggs....that is not my intention!
in the 80's under the then uk government the first 2 networks where ordered to split there "networks" into service providers{billing companies)
that was O2 and VODA by the monopolies commision....several years later the next networks where allowed to sell there own airtime(orange and tmob) .....hence if you are with o2 or voda you could have a contract with up to anyone of 100+ service providers any of which will charge a different amount to upgrade to an xdaII..... you will always have the oppurtunity to upgrade(stay with your service provider,,,if you are a large monthly spend ....negotiate!) but you will also (and use this!) have the oppurtunity to switch within your network (MIGRATION- ie you stay with O2 but are billed by a new company..but are recognised as a new consumer....ie better deal) or switch to a new network....ie voda,orange ..(who are shortly to offer the xda........) who will bend over backwards to get you!!!!!!
either way your best tool is to ask for a PAC code (porting authorisation code) wether migrating or porting.......as this lets the network/service provider you are with know you are not only serious about leaving them....but serious about joining another network/service provider and they will negotaite...if not switch network!!!! normally same handset but better offer!
probably no use and wrong forum
but hey i am new to this!
@ onedaz...
Er, thanks for the heads up, but ain't you read this post at all mate?
The bit about history was both true and helpful.
But "...get a PAC code and do a migrate" ?
Haven't you read my posts at all? You CAN'T do a number port on a MIGRATION inter-network. You can only do a PORT if it is cross network.
(And by 'CAN'T' what I mean, as explained in my post, is compel, by law, a Service Provider, to accept your number - some DO so this by choice, but most do not. Those that do not CANNOT be compelled to accept a PAC code, for a MIGRATION, as this has no legal power behind it through OFCOM. Only a true PORT carries legal weight.).
But thanks for the rest of the info though.
Just to quickly throw flames on the fire and run.....
I am currently with Orange and will be moving over to O2 when my contract expires and I get the new XDA II on a business contract.
Point I want to raise is that ORANGE told me that to get best deal and offer on an upgrade (take out the fact that I want the XDA II) is to MOVE TO ANOTHER OPERATOR - so the above is totally true that migration is at discretion of company, porting (i.e. leaving network) is legal right.
I bought a $21 dictionary from Hallmark, for my BlackBerry. When I upgraded, the dictionary stopped working on my Blackberry. It was somehow deactivated. They won't transfer the purchase to Android. In the end, I ended up with nothing. I feel cheated. This is theft because I lost the dictionary I bought. They are giving me silly excuses. My phone number is the same, my email address is the same, the credit card number is the same. The won't do it.
Sometimes I understand why some software companies are
attacked by software pirates.
So when you buy software, it's like you are really renting it for the time you keep the same device.
That's why iPhone, the Apple store, and iTunes work great, and beat the customer service of any other company. this would have never happened with their online app store.
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From: Handmark Inc [mailto:[email protected]]
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Subject: FW: BlackBerry App World™ - Order Confirmation (Order #8525898114) [Incident: 100703-000219]
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Response (Matt L.) 07/04/2010 09:09 AM
Hello,
Since this purchase was made through the Blackberry App World we would not be able to exchange the purchase out for your Android device. The reason for this is that App World orders do not register on through Handmark. We do not have access to refund or credit these purchases as they are not register through us. We apologize for any inconvenience. If you have any further questions please let us know.
Thanks,
Customer (Rob M.) 07/03/2010 02:41 PM
Hello,
I bought this software 4 months ago, but since then I upgraded my BlackBerry to an Android. I still have the same cell phone number, and the company (Sprint) is the same. When customers upgrade, do we lose our previous software?, or is it possible to credit the previous software purchase towards the purchase of the equivalent dictionary for the Android?
Thank you very much,
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You changed platforms. What did you expect? You should have factored this into your purchasing decision. As someone already said, if you go from Mac to Windows, you think BestBuy is going to give you free copies of everything you already own?
No. No. No.
The previously bought software should still be working on my Blackberry.
When you buy an additional computer, you end up with TWO computers. And you can always use the old software on your old computer.
I cannot use my old software on my Blackberry because the old software was disabled.
If they won't transfer to another platform, at least they should not disable the application I paid for from the old device and leave me with nothing.
Disabling the software you previously bought from your old device is not normal. I have friends with old iPhones, and most of the applications they bought still work even after the cell was disconnected. (they needed to jailbreak it at a retailer. Here in NY usually Indian or Chinese retailers will do it for you.)
They use it as an iPod touch.
I cannot use my Blackberry as an "BB iPod touch."
Sadly this happens in this forum every day. People that come from Blackberry or Windows Mobile feel like they need to have their apps back. But I had an iPhone and spent more than 130 bucks on apps. And you don't see me complaining. Its obvious that you wont get your money back or your app.
**** paid for apps
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Actually hallmark is right
If you bought office for Windows does that entitle you to get office for MAC
Sent from my Evo on on the Now network from Sprint
oh and duck Apple
Fixter said:
Sadly this happens in this forum every day. People that come from Blackberry or Windows Mobile feel like they need to have their apps back. But I had an iPhone and spent more than 130 bucks on apps. And you don't see me complaining. Its obvious that you wont get your money back or your app.
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I don't know how's the customer service in Puerto Rico, but here, customer service usually would keep the client happy.
If you have apps in your iPhone, you can still use them. In my case, the application was deactivated from my Blackberry. So more than a purchase, I feel like I just borrowed it from them for two months.
If your apps in your iPhone stopped working, you need to jailbreak it, or take it to a small cell retailer, they will free the software for you, so you can use it as an iPod touch.
From google market, you own the app. It moves with your login, to what ever android phone you're on. Just log into market and there they are. The free apps on the other hand you need to track their names, to reload. But hey, "not going to look a gift horse in the mouth", or they are much appreciated.
kwajr said:
Actually hallmark is right
If you bought office for Windows does that entitle you to get office for MAC
Sent from my Evo on on the Now network from Sprint
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Nope. This is not a valid comparison.
The thing is that when you purchase another computer, you can still use the old computer for your application. In my case, the software I bought was disabled. This doesn't happen when you get a Mac, the software still works on your Windows computer, correct?
At least, they should have kept the software running on my BlackBerry.
baiatul said:
That's why iPhone, the Apple store, and iTunes work great, and beat the customer service of any other company. this would have never happened with their online app store.
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oh yeah? try and buy an app in the android market and then get it for free in the app store. its not going to happen, just like kwajr said. when you buy software you buy it for the platform youre on, not for the license fee across platforms. ive purchased at bat twice this year for this exact reason
baiatul said:
I don't know how's the customer service in Puerto Rico, but here, customer service usually would keep the client happy.
If you have apps in your iPhone, you can still use them. In my case, the application was deactivated from my Blackberry. So more than a purchase, I feel like I just borrowed it from them for two months.
If your apps in your iPhone stopped working, you need to jailbreak it, or take it to a small cell retailer, they will free the software for you, so you can use it as an iPod touch.
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You changed platforms. What did you expect? You should have factored this into your purchasing decision. As someone already said, if you go from Mac to Windows, you think BestBuy is going to give you free copies of everything you already own?
baiatul said:
I don't know how's the customer service in Puerto Rico, but here, customer service usually would keep the client happy.
If you have apps in your iPhone, you can still use them. In my case, the application was deactivated from my Blackberry. So more than a purchase, I feel like I just borrowed it from them for two months.
If your apps in your iPhone stopped working, you need to jailbreak it, or take it to a small cell retailer, they will free the software for you, so you can use it as an iPod touch.
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They didn't stopped working. I just switched to Android. Do you actually have the brains to say they need to transfer them over to android? And you can actually use your Apps in your iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch with just one purchase.
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Nope. This is not a valid comparison.
The thing is that when you purchase another computer, you can still use the old computer for your application. In my case, the software I bought was disabled. This doesn't happen when you get a Mac, the software still works on your Windows computer, correct?
At least, they should have kept the software running on my BlackBerry.
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When you get another Blackberry you can still use it.
But if you brought a new MAC instead of pc would u be able to use your Windows versions of office in mac without running a vm
So its a valid point
Sent from my Evo on on the Now network from Sprint
oh and duck Apple
Wait a minute-
Maybe I read your OP too quickly. I have not had a blackberry in 10 years. How did they disable software on your phone? Not doubting your statement, but that just seems odd. Were other purchased or free apps on your old BB disabled?
kwajr said:
But if you brought a new MAC instead of pc would u be able to use your Windows versions of office in mac without running a vm
So its a valid point
Sent from my Evo on on the Now network from Sprint
oh and duck Apple
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Exactly.
You know people just never seem to amaze me.
GumboChief said:
You changed platforms. What did you expect? You should have factored this into your purchasing decision. As someone already said, if you go from Mac to Windows, you think BestBuy is going to give you free copies of everything you already own?
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No. No. No.
The previously bought software should still be working on my Blackberry.
When you buy an additional computer, you end up with TWO computers. And you can always use the old software on your old computer.
I cannot use my old software on my Blackberry because the old software was disabled.
If they won't transfer to another platform, at least they should not disable the application I paid for from the old device and leave me with nothing.
Disabling the software you previously bought from your old device is not normal. I have friends with old iPhones, and most of the applications they bought still work even after the cell was disconnected. (they needed to jailbreak it at a retailed.)
They use it as an iPod touch.
I cannot use my Blackberry as an "BB iPod touch."
I've never heard of any software being disabled. I know I have plenty of paid apps on my old BB 8830 and I can still use them even after porting my number to my Evo. Maybe its something you did.
baiatul said:
No. No. No.
The previously bought software should still be working on my Blackberry.
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What does this has to do with Android again?
Sent telepathically via my Evo.
-_-
I've changed platforms before and a "nice email" explaining the situation could have made things simple for you. Its like some of the members here said in other words you purchased an app for xbox live and then you wanted to use your game on playstation network.
W ihat did when I was in that situation the first thing I though about was barganing. So I emailed the company saying that i purchased a program/app/software and I switched devices running a different OS. I explained nicely (politely) that I purchased that serial/key/registration/or license and if it can't be transferred to the new device (ussually keys/licenses can be tranfered trough platforms because you own that key/license) if it can't be transfered I sugested if the company can offered a key/license or register it on my new device at a fraction of the cost........my 30 dollar app cost only 5 dollars on the new device after I emailed them with the problem.
In conclusion you should understand that you own that app but its for a different OS, but you could have offered them to allow u to buy the app at a discount for the new platform
I have 5 applications I paid for on my old Blackberry. The thing is, I just checked them, and apart from the Hallmark application, they still work. It's a dictionary, and the database is on the SD card.
I have 2 other dictionaries, and they still work.
I don't think it's right of Hallmark to put a padlock on their application once the phone is disconnected, if the rest of the vendors didn't do it.
When you buy a new computer, you can still use the software on your old computer.
I see then its a missunderstanding between you and the company. An email saying that your version is not working properly can fix it. I don't think that app requires you to be on a 2year contract or u will be charged a $200 cancelation fee
The intent of this thread is not to be an actual poll of service quality (well sorta...), but as a potential alternative to Dell/T-Mobile customer service. I have only owned only one smartphone (HTC Touch Pro, Windows mobile 6.1) and thanks to you guys here at XDA and the knowledge you've shared with me everyone I showed my phone to assumed I was an absolute genius! (NOT! though numbers say I am). I am now ready for my next smartphone and I am a T-mobile subscriber (yeah I think I may be kinda' smart but definitely not wealthy) and I was considering the HTC HD7. That is until I stumbled upon the Venue. I am a diehard Windows user (sorry Stevie J.) and I want to stick to the brand (even though the new GUI looks like a bunch of post-it notes stuck on a Black/Whiteboard). To the point, in researching the phone as an educated consumer I've been bounced around by Dell and T-mobile customer service regarding specifics of the Venue. I was even advanced to level 3 of T-Mobile's Cust. serv. and no one even knew what the Venue was. My inquiries: GPS turn by Turn Apps, Returns, upgrade eligibility pricing, T-mobile exclusive apps, data plans. No one could help! So I'm relying on you guys. The phone doesn't have to be perfect, if it's worth it, but it would be nice if this thread could evolve into a potential review for potential owners or a guide for newbies. Thanks in advance for your advice/help. P.S. I believe this to be one of the most sharing and helpful forums I've been associated with! (no smoke blowing intended).
Today I called Microsoft, Danger, Nvidia, Sharp, and Verizon about the KIN. I wanted to know about the Windows phone 7 merge claim from Microsoft, the rom for the phone, and the lack of support for the tegra apx series. Microsoft told me "I'm going to transfer you to the mobile service center" and after a ring the call ended. Danger's phone number doesn't even work anymore. Nvidia told me they only support the Tegra 2 series. Sharp claims "We do not make the kin here at sharp". While Verizon said they would be happy to release a rom to me as long as I had proper permission from sharp. So my question is... Who the hell wants to take responsibility for this damn device?
nice effort
Wow, quite a run around - frustrating that they don't want anything to do with this phone. I appreciate what you are doing.
If you aren't fed up yet, try again. Maybe with some "social engineering" Vzw will release the rom. Also, maybe a different sharp office?
Keep up the good work!
Jon
Thanks for the update this gives me a little hope of atleast getting a rom from verizon. My phone is currently bricked, but I think that if I was able to get a rom I could flash it and have a working phone again. I will contact verizon with the approach of fixing my phone.
Thanks for all the efforts and the info posted.
As stated above, a hope of a rom of some kind is a light of "hope" to get it working on our bricked phones and to do something with our cute smartphones. ^^
Can this device work on GSM networks? I am confused as some sites are selling unlocked codes for the Kin Two, to enable GSM functions? If this is true, I'll get one.
erlern said:
Can this device work on GSM networks? I am confused as some sites are selling unlocked codes for the Kin Two, to enable GSM functions? If this is true, I'll get one.
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Nope. It works on CDMA or kinda networks. Has no SIM either.
Just wandering again... what's the requirement on the stated by verizon: "sharp permission".
Cause if i read right, in other thread attempts, sharp was OK if verizon wanted to give it, and verizon is OK if sharp does...
So.. what's (exactly) needed to make verizon give away a rom?
I've been going into Verizon stores in several cities here in South GA the last few days asking about maybe getting a Kin Twom. (I travel around for work). So far EVERY sales person I talked to has told me that I should not get this phone.... That I will not like it and will want to bring it back within a week because it will stop working! Dang!....I would kind of like to have one! Are they just that bad...."really"?
Just FYI stuff mostly. Also I am a 50 year old man, so they probably think I can't figure out how to turn the thing on....lol
When I emailed Verizon about support for bricked phones, their reply was:
At this time,there are no software updates planned for the Kin Twom. Verizon Wireless does not have any control over the software updates because we are not the developers of this device. We simply offer the wireless service to the device.
All devices have a one year manufacture's warranty. If you experience a manufacture's defect within one year (and the phone does not have physical/liquid damage) Verizon Wireless is happy to replace the device free of charge. The "Updating Modem" screen (which has not been listed as a known issue) should not be a concern. Please remember, thousands and thousands of people have this device and only a small amount of people have reported problems.
dezgrz, maybe Verizon was just telling you what you wanted to hear about being willing to release the ROM if Sharp gives the OK. Nobody wants to own up and take accountability on this phone.
Alright, so I called Sharp, rep said they don't support the phone since they just developed the screen and then gave me a number.
1-800-229-1235
www.pcdphones.com
I talked with a tech explaining johnkussack's "updating screen" problem and tech said he never heard/seen that problem before. So then he said that I can send it in for them to look at.
Send broken/bricked phone to
Personal Communications Devices, LLC.
555 Wireless Blvd
Hauppauge, NY 11788
Include a letter with:
Your name
Return Address
Description of the problem with the phone
You pay to ship it to them, and they will pay for shipping it back. The returned guy said it could take up to 2 weeks.
So we have a place for support. Now someone else call and asked about how they restore a bricked phone back to factory functional form and if they can give us the tools to do so. Then ask about releasing the ROM.
Upgrading from iphone 4 to s3 and best buy wanted to do a credit check when I have been at&t customer for 4 years with account in perfect standing. They had the nerves to ask me how much my mortgage was, who my mortgage was with, and several other items pertaining to personal info.... FOR AN UPGRADE.
Best Buy did not get my business and in last 4 years we have bought all our phones at best buy which was 3 iphone 4s, 3gs, and 1 3g, and basic phone all from best buy in which within last month and half we have upgraded one person on the plan to a i4 and another to iphone 4s and did not get asked these questions, but for the S3 best buy needed this info...
Not Pleased. Anyone else gone through the BS?
I got my phone there and it was very quick and easy, no credit check. Sorry man that sucks!
Go straight to the manager... they can't ask you or run your credit for upgrades.. only new line and even that they can't ask you about your mortgage, that's ridiculous.
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Go straight to the manager... they can't ask you or run your credit for upgrades.. only new line and even that they can't ask you about your mortgage, that's ridiculous.
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oh I did, went to best buy mobile manager and then store manager and they said they can't by pass it and that store chooses you at random when upgrading to confirm identity but no way in hell are they getting my mortgage info.
This has nothing to docwith best buy, it's actually an AT&T thing. I work at radioshack and run into this about once a week.
Sent from my AT&T Samsung Galaxy S3.
Vertig0 said:
Go straight to the manager... they can't ask you or run your credit for upgrades.. only new line and even that they can't ask you about your mortgage, that's ridiculous.
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well at&t store manager said they have never done anything like that for an upgrade. and sure as hell ain't telling no employee of best buy or anywhere my personal and mortgage information.
I saw this when I used to sell cellphones for the various providers. It is usually the credit check people who want the info, not (insert carrier and store here). It is a method of identification to make sure you are who you say you are. Cellphone fraud is a very big thing, especially for the super high end android devices, blackberries (well, they were back then...) and iPhones.
Though I never heard mortgage, I did see plenty of car ownership stuff, address, old address, old car, etc etc. Random stuff really.
Descadent said:
Upgrading from iphone 4 to s3 and best buy wanted to do a credit check when I have been at&t customer for 4 years with account in perfect standing. They had the nerves to ask me how much my mortgage was, who my mortgage was with, and several other items pertaining to personal info.... FOR AN UPGRADE.
Best Buy did not get my business and in last 4 years we have bought all our phones at best buy which was 3 iphone 4s, 3gs, and 1 3g, and basic phone all from best buy in which within last month and half we have upgraded one person on the plan to a i4 and another to iphone 4s and did not get asked these questions, but for the S3 best buy needed this info...
Not Pleased. Anyone else gone through the BS?
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I work for BBY service center and even though I don't work in the store, I know that they ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK THAT INFO. The only way they are allowed to even check your credit is if you're apply for a BBY credit card.
I'd call their support and talk to their manager. I'v already heard many stories of BBY support lines bending over backwards to satisfy their customers so you may be able to get a discount on the phone or at least a gift card.
Diviance said:
Though I never heard mortgage, I did see plenty of car ownership stuff, address, old address, old car, etc etc. Random stuff really.
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yeah and i'm talking specifics, who the mortgage is with and what the monthly payment is.
I work for AT&T and haven't heard of this on an upgrade. They are allowed to ask you about mortgage info or ANYTHING pertaining to your credit info so don't think otherwise. But like I mentioned, credit no longer plays a role when you have been an AT&T customer for longer than 6 months, even when adding a line they check account history add only occasionally check credit. Never for an upgrade.
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yeah and i'm talking specifics, who the mortgage is with and what the monthly payment is.
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Crazy. The employee themselves asked you? Not supposed to do that, where I worked we had to call in to the credit people themselves, hand the phone to the customer and let them confirm the information.
Don't shop there bro dump best buy they are going under anyways and they offer crap for customer service I would walk out and go to an att store.
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I've worked for an at&t Authorized retailer for 8 years. at&t has started refreshing credit profiles on customers accounts as a fraud prevention measure. I would say once a week we run into this and these questions that are asked are referred to as OOW questions (Out of Wallet) meaning the customer in the store should be able to answer these without issue. We are instructed to read the questions and then select the answer the customer gives us. At the end if the customer answered everything satisfactorily we can continue. If they don't answer the questions satisfactorily we have to call analyst review and tell them we have the customer in the store and the ID matches the person in the store. We also have to have a secondary ID such as a Credit Card and the name has to match the drivers license. I know this sounds ridiculous but there is so much fraud in this business you have to understand it is for your protection. The extra five minutes this process takes is easier than trying to fight identity theft. Don't blame BestBuy for doing what at&t is requiring.
Had this happen to me when Upgrading my Sprint line. The questions were on their keypad card swipe thing, not an employee asking the questions. I purposely answered incorrectly and then the guy went through the upgrade anyway. Think there are two ways they can do an upgrade, one may be quicker than the other? Quicker maybe asking those questions?
regardless no way in hell i'm telling someone how much i pay for my house every month to qualify me for an upgrade phone when i've been customer for 4 years in perfect standing. in no way shape or form should you ever be asked personal info such as mortgage information for an upgrade, maybe for a new account, MAYBE, but not for an upgrade.