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I'm wondering what the experience has been for people using Opera 8.6. I installed the free beta version months ago, which is working, and I'm wondering if it is worth it to buy the latest retail version.
Any Opera users care to comment on their experience?
Generally I find this a good browser but there a few problems which I must mention:-
1) One cannot configure it to store its Cache to SD card. There are ways around this but nothing out of the box.
2) For large web pages with graphics and annimations vertical scrolling becomes really painful as the page does not scroll smoothly with the vertical bar. This gets really really annoying at times.
3) There is a slight lag between pressing of a link and the browser responding. You tend to press the link repeatedly thinking the browser has not responded and then it hangs. However this is something you soon get used to so not that much of a problem.
4) Quite often it does not load the page fully and gets stuck towards the last bits of the page. This is more so for pages with annimations. The progress bar gets stuck when the page has almost been downloaded and only a small percent is left. You then have to refresh the page and usually the 2nd attempt gets you through the full page.
4) The worst problem for me which has really limited its use is that once you have used this it stops some other programs to start and you have to soft-reset. Typical examples are Netfront, Planmaker and Textmaker. After using Opera and having killed it these programs will often not start without a soft-reset.
As I said at the start it is still a good browser and so I am not mentioning the good things but these are just the glitches which seriously mar the user experience of an otherwise good product. In fact though I have a registered version I find myself using it less and less and prefering Netfront over it simply of some of the annoying bugs I mention.
Regards
I agree with smrz completely, and have suffered from the issues outlined, but I'd like to add:
- Opera 8.6 can't handle some pages very well (I'm thinking of the Yahoo pages where you need to log in). It just doesn't render them in any sort of useable fashion.
Having said this, I still use it as my main browser, and find that in combination with PIE, then I can do pretty much everything I want on the web.
Cheers,
Steve.
are there any differences between the beta version and the retail version?
1) One cannot configure it to store its Cache to SD card. There are ways around this but nothing out of the box.
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Here a post I wrote on moving cache of Opera on SD card...
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=101&id=5514
Open opera.ini file, go to [User Prefs]. At the end of that paragraph, write that ligne
Cache Directory4=\Storage Card\x with x the folder you choosed for cache on your SD.
For french roms, Storage Card must be replaced by Carte de Stockage
Opera is not perfect, but is largely better than other mobile browers...
Thanks for the input. I'm not sure I will pay for the retail version at this point.
Re: the difference between beta version and latest retail version, I'm sure there are many and would depend on the beta version. Main one that comes to mind is that I understand the retail version has a tabbed browser interface while my old beta version does not.
I wonder if Opera mobile will ever support Java?
opera 8.5/8.6 does not support java & javascript?
what about vbscript?
Where do we copy the opera.dll
I am running a trial version. Have the cracked opera.dll file. Where do I copy this to in order to prevent the 30 days to run up?
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I am running a trial version. Have the cracked opera.dll file. Where do I copy this to in order to prevent the 30 days to run up?
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Here's an idea: how about *paying* for it? I mean, it's only $24 or about 2% the RRP of an HTC Universal. Don't try to kid yourself that circumventing anti-piracy measures is anything other than stealing. If you use a cracked copy, you are a theif.
I agree I always buy software. I have 50+ apps on my IIs and all are paid for you, shouldn't try and steal money from hard working developers who are trying to make a living.
I am finding Opera 8.60 retail to be AWESOME!
In fact, I ditched the JasJar some months ago and have been using a JAM for some time. I only bought a new JJ cos of Opera on VGA. It's rendering most pages such as my online banking (which PIE cocked up completely), it zooms perfectly, and it's just amazing! If WM5 had come out with a decent broser on day one it would have driven operator ARPU's and internet usage. Now I have google with me wherever I go. I kind of had it on my JAM, but not really with that crappy low res screen.
This is a no brainer app and worth every cent!
Piracy
Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around. It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around. It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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yust for info...8.6(with the bug correction version 8.6u1) is the last and the only opera for ppc version ever done. Version 9 is for PC...if I'm wrong excuse me and tell me were you find the ver 9 for ppc...
Regards
Massimo
bbaytu said:
Nice thinking and have no objection. But if you got something for the first time you simply dont go about splashing money around.
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I'm using Opera on the trial. 30 days is plenty of time to make your mind up. If you don't really use it enough to make up your mind in that time, then don't buy it. If you do, buy it. $24 really is next to nothing for a product. That wouldn't a decent sandwich, cake and a cup of tea!
It is only fare that I want to make use of it, see & decide. If you check 8.6 is not the latest version it is an old version. By paying I would now be getting v9 (see I checked it and am planning to) but need to see if it is what I need / want.
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They provide a trial for that purpose. If they didn't, I still wouldn't agree. Afterall, I can't try out a holiday before I buy it and if I don't like the terms, I can simple boycott the product.
Stereotyping aint really good. Peace anyway....
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I'd hardly call it stereotyping. Stereotyping is painting a group with a broad brush and, in doing so, encompassing more than rightfully fit the description. However, calling all pirates theives is not stereotyping as all piracy is theft.
PS: Besides doing this kind of stuff is always the best way of learning the logic, structure of how a device works. And that is my main interest in these stuff. Not getting all for free. Thanks for your comments anyway...
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I know I'm on a very high horse here, but I cannot and will not tolerate piracy. It *does* hurt people (developers, distributers, support staff, everyone in the chain and their families) and they only reason why it's not as widely regarded as wrong is because everyone knows they will more than likely get away with it. Steal Opera is no better than stealing a wallet or an item of jewellery or anything else. It's ALL theft.
I'm using an early beta that does not have the 30 day limit.
Am I stealing?
The reason I posted the question is because I am not averse to paying for a good finished product. It seems craigiecraig4 (if I have the name spelled right) would say that Opera 8.6 is a good finished product.
That is the type of opinion I was soliciting.
I think anyone who has a beta version of software on there device have in a way paid for it because they put there device on the line to test the product.
xda_guy said:
opera 8.5/8.6 does not support java & javascript?
what about vbscript?
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It does support JS but doesn't support Java.
ALL: Please DO read my web browser reviews. The vast majority of the questions asked in this thread have already been answered / explained in there.
bonisalive said:
Here a post I wrote on moving cache of Opera on SD card...
http://www.planete-htc.com/index.php?mod=forum&ac=voir&cat=101&id=5514
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An English tutorial is at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=916&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Menneisyys said:
It does support JS but doesn't support Java.
ALL: Please DO read my web browser reviews. The vast majority of the questions asked in this thread have already been answered / explained in there.
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Dude - your articles are GREAT! Going thro many of your past posts now...keep it up!
Is it just me or is this phone getting really slow?
Im having alot of problems surfin the web with the limited memory on it. Latest Opera fills the phone to breaking point and then i have problems even quiting Opera.
So most of the time i just hunt for the nearest computer instead of using my phone.
Is it just me or is this thing slow compared to todays standards?
Iv had the phone since it was new on the market, stood outside the store just to get the first one available. When i got it i was totaly amazed and even more so when the A2DP patch was released. But now, not so much.
Thinking of getting a Blackstone, but im worried that they will come out with a new CPU that is faster.
pompom said:
Is it just me or is this phone getting really slow?
Im having alot of problems surfin the web with the limited memory on it. Latest Opera fills the phone to breaking point and then i have problems even quiting Opera.
So most of the time i just hunt for the nearest computer instead of using my phone.
Is it just me or is this thing slow compared to todays standards?
Iv had the phone since it was new on the market, stood outside the store just to get the first one available. When i got it i was totaly amazed and even more so when the A2DP patch was released. But now, not so much.
Thinking of getting a Blackstone, but im worried that they will come out with a new CPU that is faster.
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Read here, upgrade, fast Prophet !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=363
Iv already got WM 6.1 in it and iv tested a bunch of ROMs.
But then i use Opera the phone really slows down after i visit a couple of sites.
I think its because of the limited memory, but im not sure.
pompom said:
Iv already got WM 6.1 in it and iv tested a bunch of ROMs.
But then i use Opera the phone really slows down after i visit a couple of sites.
I think its because of the limited memory, but im not sure.
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use opera mini 4.2, a fast browsing program.
tips:
1. in opera mini 4.2 (new ), select mobile view in setting
2. ..... should be great ~~
P.S.
1. prophet has small size of ram, so, don't use opera 9 series, it really eat-up you prophet..
2. use wktask to monitor opened programs,
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So, what you are saying is "Yes its slow".
Right?
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So, what you are saying is "Yes its slow".
Right?
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I had an 1d - speedKing version (WM6.1) long ago ( only the weakness is without internet sharing feature), flash this before you say its slow..... I am serious!!
click http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408268
and have a look
Hello, now that we cant use Skyfire for Flash purposes, what are our options?
? Gone like how?
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? Gone like how?
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Last week when you try to connect you get an error saying "due to high demand the service is unavailable" or something like that. The problem is they released it for iPhone last week and had to pull it from the market because they took all the bandwidth of their servers.
Yeah I am seeing that now. I wonder if it's actually down for good, or just because of the iTard crap. I'm sure that the people at Skyfire would have said something if they where killing off the platform that started their company.
The Skyfire app for the Iphone costs about $3, whereas the one for Windows Mobile is free. My guess is the Iphone users get the priority on the servers. There is no incentive for them to turn it back on for WM users, unless they start charging for the app.
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The Skyfire app for the Iphone costs about $3, whereas the one for Windows Mobile is free. My guess is the Iphone users get the priority on the servers. There is no incentive for them to turn it back on for WM users, unless they start charging for the app.
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I haddent even thought of that! I was hoping the servers were just overloaded. I looked on their blogs and they mention it hoping to get up sometime soon. I hope they don't shut out WM. I would pay a couple of bucks if it ment I could get it to work.
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I haddent even thought of that! I was hoping the servers were just overloaded. I looked on their blogs and they mention it hoping to get up sometime soon. I hope they don't shut out WM. I would pay a couple of bucks if it ment I could get it to work.
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But it's just too much work to keep supporting it on WM, even if they charge for it, the reason is that there just isn't a huge market on WM, most people have moved onto Android and iPhone.
is there anything else to use as a replacement? something else with flash?
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is there anything else to use as a replacement? something else with flash?
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Uzard, I think.
Perhaps Bolt, but that has to work inside a Java JVM.
I was hoping that there was something else that would allow me to play the various games on facebook (silly I know)
I just tried uZard and it wont load the games.
thanks for the input guys!
I still do not think that Skyfire is permanently down, I think it's because of all the iTards rapeing their servers downloading it to fix what Apple won't. Skyfire launched on WinMo, and thats where ALL of their revenue came from in the beginning, so I really doubt that they would just up and quit without an explanation. I am one of the original Skyfire users, and back in the day you had to sign up for the service(albeit free) via SMS, and they still send me a text every now and then with a state of the network kinda thing...
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...Skyfire launched on WinMo, and thats where ALL of their revenue came from in the beginning...
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How did they make money if they did not charge for the Skyfire app on the WM platform?
Back in the day, Skyfire for WM was ad supported.
Doesn't Opera Beta 10 or Opera 10 work with flash? Been using it since I saw it come out and abandoned Skyfire cuz it worked so well.
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Doesn't Opera Beta 10 or Opera 10 work with flash? Been using it since I saw it come out and abandoned Skyfire cuz it worked so well.
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I thought IE on the phone had flash support? I don't do a lot of web browsing on my phone though, so I haven't really tested it. I know Youtube videos work.
go here and let them have it! http://getsatisfaction.com/skyfire/topics/skyfire_is_down_for_wm_users
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I still do not think that Skyfire is permanently down, I think it's because of all the iTards rapeing their servers downloading it to fix what Apple won't. Skyfire launched on WinMo, and thats where ALL of their revenue came from in the beginning, so I really doubt that they would just up and quit without an explanation. I am one of the original Skyfire users, and back in the day you had to sign up for the service(albeit free) via SMS, and they still send me a text every now and then with a state of the network kinda thing...
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yes! i remember!
it was so annoying having to sign in everytime!!
uzard takes a little getting used to, but i like it better than skyfire. and it screen rotates . taking no credit for this, just passing along the cab .
UZARD , is a great browser, but i can only get it to work when installed on my card
Just video showing the Honeycomb 3.0.1 update.
- tested out the leaked flash 10.2.155.67 built on various website
- re-looked at the html5 and sunspider benchmark
- looked at the type in the browser lag
Xoom
html5 - 218
sunspider 2070ms
ipad2
html5 - ??
sunspider 2097 ms
besides that, how's everyone native browser performing? better or worse after the update? better or worse after flash 10.2?
fast forward to 3:24 to get past the updating process
how did you get the normal engadget.com site to come up? I have done the about:debug and selected desktop but it seems to be bringing up the mobile site.
Also, Flash seems to be working well on my xoom.
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how did you get the normal engadget.com site to come up? I have done the about:debug and selected desktop but it seems to be bringing up the mobile site.
Also, Flash seems to be working well on my xoom.
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not sure! good question. i think browser remember my default settings. but there are some that directed me to the mobile site and i just tell my browser to go to the full site. and whenever i revisited the website, im always directed to full website now.
when the xoom gets updated to LTE and microsd card, this tablet will be almost perfect for me.
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not sure! good question. i think browser remember my default settings. but there are some that directed me to the mobile site and i just tell my browser to go to the full site. and whenever i revisited the website, im always directed to full website now.
when the xoom gets updated to LTE and microsd card, this tablet will be almost perfect for me.
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That's weird. I tried to select the normal site and it keeps sending me to the mobile site. I have done it on other sites and it sends me to the normal site. The other thing is really random.
I agree, once we get the sdcard I will be completely happy. I don't need LTE, even though it would be nice. I will probably go ahead and send it in to do the update just in case though. My area probably won't get 4g until next year.
Purely pathetic. Freshman CS students code better for homework assignments. Gimme a break!!
"Browser's editor"? A five year old could piece together a more thought out and complete sentence than your post.
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"Browser's editor"? A five year old could piece together a more thought out and complete sentence than your post.
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Browser's editor = editor in the browser, which is what I use to reply to impertinent and disrepectful posts.
...What editor?
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Browser's editor = editor in the browser, which is what I use to reply to impertinent and disrepectful posts.
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I GOT COMPARED TO A FIVE YEAR OLD ON THE INTERNET! BETTER BUST OUT THE BIG WORDS!
I kid.
Anyway, he's talking about the typing lag in the default browser. And, yeah, it is pretty bad. But it's manageable. The default browser has too many things that I love to dump it for the one flaw.
To the OP directly, a lot of it has to do with XDA, too. It's bad on most sites, but XDA with the 2010 theme takes the cake for slowest website to view on the Transformer. It was a lot worse before the 3.1 update. Take a little time and do it better yourself, too, if you really feel that way.
There is no editor in the browser. The textarea you are writing to is part of the website. It's sluggish on this forum and probably that caused you to comment like that.
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There is no editor in the browser. The textarea you are writing to is part of the website. It's sluggish on this forum and probably that caused you to comment like that.
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Ok whatever. When I acces this site with Opera no problems. When I access any other ste it screwsup.
Above typos are uncorrect4d.
Got it?
Opera works wonders with Javascript-enabled sites, especially in modern forums. Other browsers fail in this regard, possibly due to the lack of optimization used by Opera's team. However, the problem with this one is that the devs need Honeycomb source code to optimize Flash content, so we're stuck with a Flash-less Opera for tablets.
Turn off flash. It may speed up the browser substantially.
It's a shame we can't report posts anymore using the report buton.
And so isn't that the beauty of the system, that one can so easily substitute another browser for the stock browser? I mean, seriously: Opera works better for that particular use. Awesome! Firefox works better with my company's SharePoint site. Bonus! Dolphin works well with some particular sites I visit. Cool!
Complaining that the stock (browser, or whatever) doesn't work in a particular instance only makes sense if there were no other options. But then, of course, you'd probably be talking about an Apple product.
Indeed, the beauty of Android: Choice. Why settle for stock when you've got a whole group of alternatives, each with their own unique strengths and weaknesses. You may not be satisfied with one particular browser, but you will be if you use multiple ones catered for a specific need.
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Browser's editor = editor in the browser, which is what I use to reply to impertinent and disrepectful posts.
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You are the one that came into this forum calling things pathetic, posting vague and useless information that leaves us no way to determine what you are talking about. If you expect to be met with respect, then perhaps you should calm down.
Next, by "editor" I am assuming you mean the keyboard. The ASUS keyboard does really suck, but guess what? Android is awesome and you can switch the keyboard. There are literally over a dozen keyboards you can choose from. Thumb Keyboard, Swype, stock Android keyboard, etc all work great for me.
If you mean the browser is laggy, then switch to another browser. Try Dolphin HD or Opera or Fennec. Yay options!
I believe all of us like options, but having good browser in a first place would be better. now I'm using opera mini to browse forums. fast n smooth.
-_- browser's editor...rofl.....xda really needs to add a 'Report' button...
You guys are really something - this guy has a very valid complaint even if he doesn't have the best handle on computer-related terms. You're all just looking for an excuse to hassle someone, even though I found his description weird I immediately knew he was referring to the browser lag.
And to those asking why we don't just move to another browser, because the stock Android browser would be, by far, the best mobile browser around if it weren't for the keyboard lag.
Yeah, it's nice that you have choice with Android but that's not what this complaint is about. This is about the stock browser that ships with Honeycomb, which is amazing by almost all accounts, is almost unusable because of this typing lag - unless you purely consume content in the internet and don't ever post anything.
Use Tapatalk for forum access
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Use Tapatalk for forum access
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But this is yet another stopgap measure, like using a third-party browser merely so you can type properly.
Tapatalk is a great app, but it was designed for phones. It's a waste of the 1280x800 screen on the Transformer.
These suggestions will work great to hold us over until a fix is released, but none of these excuse or dismiss the browser lag problem.
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But this is yet another stopgap measure, like using a third-party browser merely so you can type properly.
Tapatalk is a great app, but it was designed for phones. It's a waste of the 1280x800 screen on the Transformer.
These suggestions will work great to hold us over until a fix is released, but none of these excuse or dismiss the browser lag problem.
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This is a Javascript issue, correct? If so, then why is this happening?
I also hate the lag... but I only assume google will eventually fix this maybe in the next update... hopefully... no biggie
Going to try firefox