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FOR SALE: Xperia (Obviously)

As above, Xperia X1 for sale in the UK.
As new, only a month old.
Some of the speed increase software has been installed, but will do a factory reset. It's the HTC Factory unit, so fully unlocked and brandless.
No need for me to go through the features I hope.
£400 Posted (+Paypal charges if applicable).
Only shipped to UK and no collection agencies to send to nigeria etc.
Collection prefered, Derbyshire area.
Hope this is ok here.
Thanks,
Luke.
P.S. Pictures available, PM me with your E-Mail address.

why are you selling?
are you facing any problems with it?
i already have it and it's really a great piece of art

I want to try something else tbh ...
I've wanted to try a Symbian phone for a while, so thought no time like the present tbh.
No faults at all, it's a glorious phone and good work by SE. I just get bored of things to easily.

chrcad
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Relax on the comments you leave.
I have no issues showing you what i can "sell" you.
If you don't like the thread or postings, ignore them.
Relax buddy

Thanks Mikey1022.

alien.46.uk said:
I want to try something else tbh ...
I've wanted to try a Symbian phone for a while, so thought no time like the present tbh.
No faults at all, it's a glorious phone and good work by SE. I just get bored of things to easily.
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Try an E90 out, best piece of hardware i've ever owned! It's a little large, but the keyboard is brilliant and the build quality is top-notch!
I'm sad to see it go, but it was never my phone to begin with

alien.46.uk said:
As above, Xperia X1 for sale in the UK.
As new, only a month old.
Some of the speed increase software has been installed, but will do a factory reset. It's the HTC Factory unit, so fully unlocked and brandless.
No need for me to go through the features I hope.
£400 Posted (+Paypal charges if applicable).
Only shipped to UK and no collection agencies to send to nigeria etc.
Collection prefered, Derbyshire area.
Hope this is ok here.
Thanks,
Luke.
P.S. Pictures available, PM me with your E-Mail address.
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still have xperia for sale?

x1i prototype?

I just recently purchased an x1i for what I thought was a bargain price. At half the retail, i got the phone in perfect condition and a charger. i didn't mind back then and have been using the phone on a daily basis and it works great. I never questioned why I just got the phone, seeing how adding a box and manual can't be that hard. I wanted to update my ROM to R2A today and when I took the battery out I noticed for the first time: "Prototype build:AP1" and underneath it "Prototype not for sale". So here's my question, is this a prototype and is it in anyway inferior to a retail model?

Thats why it was so cheap
Mine not say prototype....
But you should not care about that if it works well...And have no cracks

prototypes tend to have downgraded hardware than the actual retail

do you have pics of it? please show them! i'm curious to know if yours has a button on the bottom left corner.. kinda like the camera button but instead it's on the left side. iirc the prototype models had that button and one of the reviewers said it was supposed to be made for switching between landscape/portrait.

This is not supposed to be sold! I work there at Sony Ericsson, last time somebody sold a prototype version of a phone he got fired. This guy is either stupid or careless

Depends how old the prototype is then the hardware might be inferior (less ram). One advantage you have is that your phone is most likely "Security Unlocked"
Have a look at the back, what week was it produced on?
As for the person that sold it, they shouldn't have. It's not meant for resale!
I can confirm that anything above 08W25 is good

thanks
thanks for tbe info. mine says 08W26. as for the button to switch between portrait and landscape, it doesn't exist on my x1. The phone is security unlocked. I'll post some pictures up soon.

I bought a proto p990i, didnt know it was a proto. I kept it for spare parts since the firmware couldnt be updated. When I used any function besides calling someone it would lock up on me

tehnoobzorz said:
prototypes tend to have downgraded hardware than the actual retail
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Quite the opposite: SE prototypes ALWAYS have the final HW inside, it's usually the initial sw that's pre-RC - which does not effect him as his most likely been upgraded to MR1 at least...

rc3ilynt said:
I just recently purchased an x1i for what I thought was a bargain price. At half the retail, i got the phone in perfect condition and a charger. i didn't mind back then and have been using the phone on a daily basis and it works great. I never questioned why I just got the phone, seeing how adding a box and manual can't be that hard. I wanted to update my ROM to R2A today and when I took the battery out I noticed for the first time: "Prototype build:AP1" and underneath it "Prototype not for sale". So here's my question, is this a prototype and is it in anyway inferior to a retail model?
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Yes, it is a final prototype for operators to test. This means that it is probably someone outside of SE that has sold it.
It is not inferior in any way, but you can probably not upgrade firmware via SE tools. And you can forget getting help at a SE service location if needed. Some operators also disables the prototype IMEI number in their net after some time, which will make it useless as a phone.
Best thing to do: Turn it in to the nearest SE Service center with details of who sold it. You might be rewarded with a retail X1.

AviatorEkis said:
Yes, it is a final prototype for operators to test. This means that it is probably someone outside of SE that has sold it.
It is not inferior in any way, but you can probably not upgrade firmware via SE tools.
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False. Login to to Emma and take a look - if you have a real proto with operator test release sw then you can upgrade it, provided you have access to Emma (you're an authorized SE service center, a SE employee or anyone with Emma login.)
And you can forget getting help at a SE service location if needed.
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False again. They will help you but it won't be free as it's not covoered by warranty - but again, any used phone you buy won't have warranty or max. one year - if it was retail - anyway.
Some operators also disables the prototype IMEI number in their net after some time, which will make it useless as a phone.
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I assume you have link or some other evidence, right?
Because if you don't have I have to call it on its name: baseless rumor, pure FUD.
Best thing to do: Turn it in to the nearest SE Service center with details of who sold it. You might be rewarded with a retail X1.
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What an utter nonsense - why would ANYONE give him this entirely malicious advice to GIVE HIS PHONE AWAY, hoping that - even bigger nonsense! - someone willl GIVE HIM A NEW PHONE FOR FREE!!!
The only thing I can't decide is that whether you're truly believe in this crap or you're just another @ss retailer trying to keep up high prices of his stuff...

goldenchild7801 said:
I bought a proto p990i, didnt know it was a proto. I kept it for spare parts since the firmware couldnt be updated. When I used any function besides calling someone it would lock up on me
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It can be updated but not by you - bring it to any authorized SE retailer and ask him to log in to Emma and update it - they will probably charge you for it but it's worth the price, trust me.

szlevi said:
False. Login to to Emma and take a look - if you have a real proto with operator test release sw then you can upgrade it, provided you have access to Emma (you're an authorized SE service center, a SE employee or anyone with Emma login.)
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Emma ? How archaic
Of course you can fla**** with internal SE tools, but not via Update Service. And sure you can find a service center that does not bother thats it is an AP. But not an SE one.
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False again. They will help you but it won't be free as it's not covoered by warranty - but again, any used phone you buy won't have warranty or max. one year - if it was retail - anyway.
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Again, you can find service centers that does not bother since they will get cash for the job. But not on a SE Service Center.
szlevi said:
I assume you have link or some other evidence, right?
Because if you don't have I have to call it on its name: baseless rumor, pure FUD.
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A link ? Some operators do, others don't. Believe it or not.
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What an utter nonsense - why would ANYONE give him this entirely malicious advice to GIVE HIS PHONE AWAY, hoping that - even bigger nonsense! - someone willl GIVE HIM A NEW PHONE FOR FREE!!!
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Not someone, SE. You know the company that pays rewards for getting help tracking down users and sellers of stolen protos.
szlevi said:
The only thing I can't decide is that whether you're truly believe in this crap or you're just another @ss retailer trying to keep up high prices of his stuff...
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Well I don't know anything about you, but if I discover that somthing I bought was stolen goods i'd sure as hell would contact the owner.

szlevi said:
It can be updated but not by you - bring it to any authorized SE retailer and ask him to log in to Emma and update it - they will probably charge you for it but it's worth the price, trust me.
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I got rid of the p990i awhile ago, Im sporting an X1 now

rc3ilynt said:
thanks for tbe info. mine says 08W26. as for the button to switch between portrait and landscape, it doesn't exist on my x1. The phone is security unlocked. I'll post some pictures up soon.
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My X1i is also prototype 08W25, and it doesn't have another button, also all hardware is the same as in final device. You can update rom to any in this forum without any problems, of course it also mean you can update to official R2A rom. I had about 5 X1i different prototypes, older and newer (with extra button and without, full ram 288mb and half 128mb and all can be updated to any newest rom available. But for this which have only 128mb ram I recommend R1A rom which have less ram requaiment (ie there is some problems with running some apps on R2A roms after few hours of use on 128mb ram device becouse much ram is missing then).
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Oh, and prototype devices have much better cover/housing, I have mine more then 5 months (and it wasnt new when I bought it) and it still don't have any crack on the cover!

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Emma ? How archaic
Of course you can fla**** with internal SE tools, but not via Update Service.
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It is not *internal* at all, ask first if you have no clue - any service center with SE connections has - or can have - a login.
And sure you can find a service center that does not bother thats it is an AP. But not an SE one.
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As I said, false. Once again: why don't you ask first instead of spreading stupid rumors?
Again, you can find service centers that does not bother since they will get cash for the job. But not on a SE Service Center.
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Do you actually know WTF are you talking about? SE service centers are regualr private, authorized 3rd party shops - they are the one who have logins to EMMA.
Stop talking bull when you obviously don't know much about them, please.
A link ? Some operators do, others don't. Believe it or not.
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Thanks for confirming it's obviously a stupid rumor, nothing else.
Not someone, SE.
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Never heard of anything like this - any link?
Let me guess you don't have any...
You know the company that pays rewards for getting help tracking down users and sellers of stolen protos.
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You are truly clueless: these are most likely not stolen but sales samples, pal. Another newsflash: tracking users are borderline illegal in most countries (unless you have a criminal case and police/court/law is involved.)
Well I don't know anything about you, but if I discover that somthing I bought was stolen goods i'd sure as hell would contact the owner.
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Again: why don't you ask before you post silly assumptions as facts?
FYI: almost all protos are given away and their owners are free to sell it later. (it isn't nice to sell it when it's still new, khm. )
Once retail products are out en masse most protos end up either collect dust on a shelf or end up on eBay.
I'm sure few end up being stolen but they are just like any other phone - nobody traces them down at all unless someone requests it.

T-Mobile HD2 - will it be butchered?

After T-Mobile (UK at least) totally RUINED the Diamond 2, TyTn II and other previous HTC models (and by that, i mean they physically changed the casing etc). Does anyone know if the HD2 is going to be horribly re-branded and ruined?
Appreciate any feedback
Thanks

It doesn't (fortunately) look like it. For the first time ever, when you try and select a mobile phone in the T-Mobile website, there's an option to select an HTC phone. And the HD2 shows up in that choice. So, hurraaaaah, no more magenta or proprietary widgets.

Dude, don't you worry anymore! The HTC HD2 will be the second HTC device which will not be branded by T-Mobile. First device was HTC Touch2. Is this the end of HardSPL? At least it is the end of bleeding eyes due to Magenta poisoning....
Cheers mate!!

Oh joyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Haha awesome, if you're both right, then i'm defo calling them up tomorrow to get a sweet upgrade deal

According to T-Mobile the demand for "original" HTC devices was overwhelming.... hence they stopped making a mess out of beautiful hard- and software. Finally.........

Studebaker72 said:
According to T-Mobile the demand for "original" HTC devices was overwhelming.... hence they stopped making a mess out of beautiful hard- and software. Finally.........
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Damn right. I couldn't believe how cheap and nasty they made the Diamond and Diamond2 look

I've flashed the T-Mobile ROM on an HD2 and it is thankfully 95% un-modded.
There is the odd T-Mobile splurge here and there, but other than that it is very much an HTC ROM.
The same applies to the Vodafone ROM as well, come to think of it!

I was more concerned about the hardware, but it's nice to know they've cut down on the software butchering too

The have hacked it a bit, removed youtube widget and oc forced opera to start on their laughably small tmob favourites/wnw clearly sized for qv not wv. There is a tmob im prog (nasty squinting sperm as icon) which fails to load every time with an error 'Sorry there was an error pls restart'. ??
I think they may have done more wrecking, mine seems a bit jerkey/stuttery at times. I fancy a re rom but am v new - any pointers, whats's good and how to do it?

I was an owner of a t-mobile branded diamond, and tbh, it thought the t-mobile casing was a lot prettier ^^

ultimateb said:
I was an owner of a t-mobile branded diamond, and tbh, it thought the t-mobile casing was a lot prettier ^^
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I still have one and I totally agree. But having said that, the same does not apply to all models.

[UPDATED 27/01/10] Official firmware updates for Vodafone customers.

I have just got off the phone with a very nice gentlemen from HTC customer services.
He informed me that Vodafone are at current flatly refusing to support the HTC HD2 handset. They have NO plans to release a firmware update for the HD2.
He has had this confirmed by his management team as he gets a number of calls on a daily basis regarding the issue.
I opened a thread on the Vodafone forums informing their customers and am doing the same here on XDA: http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=49175
Feel free to comment in either thread.
*edit* update for those that would like to help: contact [email protected] with the subject line "Vodafone UK and the HTC HD2" explaining your own frustrations.
link to my open letter: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5429219&postcount=41
LATEST UPDATE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5472361&postcount=75

Wow, that sucks. Is this because of the iphone launch?
Apple is meddling in isn't it?

Fooking unts..!!! so VF have just been giving us BS all this time.!!!! i can promise that if this is true i will NEVER go with Vodafone agian..!!!

That's pretty shocking really. I wonder if this constitutes some sort of breach of contract that you could use to get out of your contract without having to pay it out? If not then it should.

It was almost certain from the start.
What is a big deal anyway? Just get a goldcard/SSPL/HSPL and flash any ROM you want.

aszu said:
It was almost certain from the start.
What is a big deal anyway? Just get a goldcard/SSPL/HSPL and flash any ROM you want.
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cus it breaks the warranty

lorin.bute said:
Wow, that sucks. Is this because of the iphone launch?
Apple is meddling in isn't it?
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Indeed, apparently they said VF had to drop the HD2 to get the iPhone...

aszu said:
It was almost certain from the start.
What is a big deal anyway? Just get a goldcard/SSPL/HSPL and flash any ROM you want.
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The issue lies with warranty and insurance! Quite a large issue if you are a Vodafone customer.
It shouldnt matter whether or not they are actually stocking the device any longer. After having the HD2 on their books for only two months and it being a new device to market, they must continue to support any firmware updates/fixes for the duration of the contracts of all their customers that have an HD2. This is surely a given?!
If they supply you with hardware that is necessary to use the services they also provide to you then it must be legally binding that they support any fixes (ie firmware updates) for the hardware supplied to ensure that it functions as the manufacturer intended.

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cus it breaks the warranty
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How? You can always revert to the 'original version' and if device is so badly broken that you can't revert, HTC staff wouldn't be able to check ROM version as well.
Besides, if there is some clear hardware problem with your device (like broken button or speaker, screen not responding etc) I don't think HTC service is going to complain about ROM version, this would be just idiotic.. Has anyone any experience with HTC service and non-official ROMS? Frankly I don't think HTC cares, software modding is the whole point of getting HTC device in the first place for many, many people. I am also sure they are aware that many operators provide atrocious support for new ROMs and customers don't have any options.

Audio Oblivion said:
The issue lies with warranty and insurance! Quite a large issue if you are a Vodafone customer.
It shouldnt matter whether or not they are actually stocking the device any longer. After having the HD2 on their books for only two months and it being a new device to market, they must continue to support any firmware updates/fixes for the duration of the contracts of all their customers that have an HD2. This is surely a given?!
If they supply you with hardware that is necessary to use the services they also provide to you then it must be legally binding that they support any fixes (ie firmware updates) for the hardware supplied to ensure that it functions as the manufacturer intended.
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Thats sounds like it should be, can we get out of our contracts though???
i dont want them to offer a **** iphone 3gs, thats for sure! 4G maybe, but thats not out till may/june..

aszu said:
How? You can always revert to the 'original version' and if device is so badly broken that you can't revert, HTC staff wouldn't be able to check ROM version as well.
Besides, if there is some clear hardware problem with your device (like broken button or speaker, screen not responding etc) I don't think HTC service is going to complain about ROM version, this would be just idiotic.. Has anyone any experience with HTC service and non-official ROMS? Frankly I don't think HTC cares, software modding is the whole point of getting HTC device in the first place for many, many people. I am also sure they are aware that many operators provide atrocious support for new ROMs..
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Speak to Vofdafone..!

Why don't all the vodafone customers make a letter of protest and send it to them? I know it won't do much (because i'm sure apple is paying vodafone), but you can try.

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Why don't all the vodafone customers make a letter of protest and send it to them? I know it won't do much (because i'm sure apple is paying vodafone), but you can try.
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Actually there could be enough of us to get on BBC watchdog..!!

beyondthought said:
Speak to Vofdafone..!
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Vodafone has nothing do to with this, it is HTC who services/fixes these devices. Vodafone may say many things, but ultimately phone goes to HTC service for repair and this whole 'custom ROM voids warranty' babbling is completely up to them.
Again - it would be just idiotic if HTC refused to fix obvious hardware problem because of 'custom ROM'.
It is like getting PC from DELL with Win XP preinstalled, then installing Linux on it and when i.e motherboard of disk fails, claiming warranty from Dell - nothing wrong with it.

aszu said:
Vodafone has nothing do to with this, it is HTC who services/fixes these devices. Vodafone may say many things, but ultimately phone goes to HTC service for repair and this whole 'custom ROM voids warranty' babbling is completely up to them.
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really, who told you that???

Heres the watchdog link. at the very least, even the threat of going to watchdog should get things moving..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/watchdog/

aszu said:
Vodafone has nothing do to with this, it is HTC who services/fixes these devices. Vodafone may say many things, but ultimately phone goes to HTC service for repair
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This is true... the phone WILL go to HTC for repair. But that is not the issue. It is an entirely seperate issue that is somehow intertwined. Its all a bit of a mess really.
As a Vodafone customer for more then ten years from both consumer and business side i have never seen such a debacle.

aszu said:
Vodafone has nothing do to with this, it is HTC who services/fixes these devices. Vodafone may say many things, but ultimately phone goes to HTC service for repair and this whole 'custom ROM voids warranty' babbling is completely up to them.
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When you take out a contract with Vodafone they supply you with a phone that has a vodafone ROM on it. That's basically a stock ROM with some changes, either cosmetic, programmatic, or both. They are then perfectly within their rights to tell you that you will void the warrantly if you modify that ROM or replace it with someone else's. It's like getting a car under warranty and expecting to get it fixed for free, even though you've put a new engine in it.
It has NOTHING to do with HTC. This is part of your agreement with Vodafone.

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When you take out a contract with Vodafone they supply you with a phone that has a vodafone ROM on it. That's basically a stock ROM with some changes, either cosmetic, programmatic, or both. They are then perfectly within their rights to tell you that you will void the warrantly if you modify that ROM or replace it with someone else's. It's like getting a car under warranty and expecting to get it fixed for free, even though you've put a new engine in it.
It has NOTHING to do with HTC. This is part of your agreement with Vodafone.
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Correct, one size does not fit all. All opperators customise the ROM to suit their needs. Installing a generic ROM from HTC on Vodafone or any other operator for that matter would not only void the warranty but would cause all manner of problems for the support department of each operator. Can you imagine how many customers would brick their device trying to upgrade? Even the most simple of instructions are not often followed correctly.

The Vodafone forum moderators now review all my posts before they display them!! All cus i posted a watchdog link!!

Looking for some advice please

I am due an upgrade on my phone and I am trying to decide between an iphone and a HTC HD2. I prefer the HTC as a phone but the apps on the iphone is making it a hard decision.
I am on the road constantly as a field technician so would like to have sat nav, music, games and videos on the phone to keep me entertained when I am in the middle of nowhere with some down time.
Is there anything that can be done to the HTC to make it more versatile like a jailbroken iphone? would the HTC be able to do what I am looking for or am I better going for an iphone?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer me some advice.

AAlan said:
I am due an upgrade on my phone and I am trying to decide between an iphone and a HTC HD2. I prefer the HTC as a phone but the apps on the iphone is making it a hard decision.
I am on the road constantly as a field technician so would like to have sat nav, music, games and videos on the phone to keep me entertained when I am in the middle of nowhere with some down time.
Is there anything that can be done to the HTC to make it more versatile like a jailbroken iphone? would the HTC be able to do what I am looking for or am I better going for an iphone?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer me some advice.
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When you say "Is there anything that can be done to the HTC to make it more versatile like a jailbroken iphone?"
What exactly do you mean?
The HD2 is a very versatile handset from the start, and no need to jailbreak to get full functionality

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When you say "Is there anything that can be done to the HTC to make it more versatile like a jailbroken iphone?"
What exactly do you mean?
The HD2 is a very versatile handset from the start, and no need to jailbreak to get full functionality
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thanks for the reply, what I mean is are you limited to what can be put onto the HTC? I have been into several shops stocking them and the staff dont seem to know much about them and keep trying to sell me an iphone, possibly because they are getting better commisson on the iphone?
I have looked around online for info as to what can be put onto the HTC but cant seem to find out much about it. applications seem to be very limited for what seems to be a better device than the iphone.
would the HTC be able to meet the criteria I have for the phone?

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would the HTC be able to meet the criteria I have for the phone?
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Heh - and then some.
You need to look for software for windows mobile, not HTC. The only real things you need to consider are that you need software that is fully touch compatible, it needs to be WVGA compatible (you can get away with a lot of VGA software too, as they mostly rely on the width in portrait, which is the same for both resolutions), and is it for the right version of Windows. Normally, you can get away with anything that is Windows Mobile 6.1 onwards, but that's not always the case.
Just google for windows mobile software and forget about jailbait iPhones. It ultimately comes down to whether you want a smartphone or a toy (I'm not actually knocking the iPhone - I think it's great, but it is a toy).
Incidentally, don't worry about MarketPlace too much. Most people think it's crap and there's a reason for that... it pretty much is. If you want apps wrapped up in one place, try OpenMarket. You can get it here...
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/omarket/
Have fun mate.

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Heh - and then some.
You need to look for software for windows mobile, not HTC. The only real things you need to consider are that you need software that is fully touch compatible, it needs to be WVGA compatible (you can get away with a lot of VGA software too, as they mostly rely on the width in portrait, which is the same for both resolutions), and is it for the right version of Windows. Normally, you can get away with anything that is Windows Mobile 6.1 onwards, but that's not always the case.
Just google for windows mobile software and forget about jailbait iPhones. It ultimately comes down to whether you want a smartphone or a toy (I'm not actually knocking the iPhone - I think it's great, but it is a toy).
Incidentally, don't worry about MarketPlace too much. Most people think it's crap and there's a reason for that... it pretty much is. If you want apps wrapped up in one place, try OpenMarket. You can get it here...
Have fun mate.
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thanks for that.
I have seen iphones running sat nav with lane assist and speed camera alerts, would it be possible to get the same kind of sat nav on the HTC and if so how much would it cost me?
Really dont want to go down the iphone route like half of the rest of the world has, would like to get something a little different.

The HD2 can do whatever the iPhone can...minus the ease of use [sometimes]. Sometimes it doesn't work out of the box because there are countless version of builds for manila and such...and only one for iphone. Pretty much the only gripe people will have is that they have to go and FIND whatever it is that they're looking for on the HD2, whereas everything is readily available on the app store for the iphone. You should take some time and play with each device and see what the pros and cons are for YOU. If it's too troublesome for you to dig through different versions of a program to play your video or whatnot, then it's better to get an iphone.

AAlan said:
thanks for that.
I have seen iphones running sat nav with lane assist and speed camera alerts, would it be possible to get the same kind of sat nav on the HTC and if so how much would it cost me?
Really dont want to go down the iphone route like half of the rest of the world has, would like to get something a little different.
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in the uk we get co pilot bundled with the phone as standard. it works perfectly and integrates very will with the phones gps. i used to run tom tom (latest version) on my omnia, which is also a win mobile phone so see no reason why it shouldn't run well on the HD2 as well.
both tom tom and co pilot work with additional info such as speed cameras etc.
i am sure that google will be your friend, just search for navigation software windows mobile or similar and am sure plenty of results will ensue.
Mike

lude219 said:
The HD2 can do whatever the iPhone can...minus the ease of use [sometimes]. Sometimes it doesn't work out of the box because there are countless version of builds for manila and such...and only one for iphone. Pretty much the only gripe people will have is that they have to go and FIND whatever it is that they're looking for on the HD2, whereas everything is readily available on the app store for the iphone. You should take some time and play with each device and see what the pros and cons are for YOU. If it's too troublesome for you to dig through different versions of a program to play your video or whatnot, then it's better to get an iphone.
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thats a fair point, the reliability of the iphone is worrying me a bit as well. Are there any common issues with the HTC phone?

Chastiser said:
in the uk we get co pilot bundled with the phone as standard. it works perfectly and integrates very will with the phones gps. i used to run tom tom (latest version) on my omnia, which is also a win mobile phone so see no reason why it shouldn't run well on the HD2 as well.
both tom tom and co pilot work with additional info such as speed cameras etc.
i am sure that google will be your friend, just search for navigation software windows mobile or similar and am sure plenty of results will ensue.
Mike
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Thanks mike, is the co pilot software a trial period or is it a full version that will last as long as you want it?

AAlan said:
thats a fair point, the reliability of the iphone is worrying me a bit as well. Are there any common issues with the HTC phone?
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depends on the severity of the "issues." I'm on AT&T and have not encountered any kind of problems that some people have.
I don't have the faulty capacitive screen
I don't have any battery drainage issue (good for 2-3 days)
I don't have SMS not sending/receiving
I don't have SMS sending to the wrong person
The phone doesn't froze on me [unless it's my own doing]
etc etc..
So outside of you installing some rogue software/program that cause whatever issues that you might encounter, the phone itself is as perfect as a smartphone goes. I can't really pinpoint anything significant problem about this phone.

lude219 said:
depends on the severity of the "issues." I'm on AT&T and have not encountered any kind of problems that some people have.
I don't have the faulty capacitive screen
I don't have any battery drainage issue (good for 2-3 days)
I don't have SMS not sending/receiving
I don't have SMS sending to the wrong person
The phone doesn't froze on me [unless it's my own doing]
etc etc..
So outside of you installing some rogue software/program that cause whatever issues that you might encounter, the phone itself is as perfect as a smartphone goes. I can't really pinpoint anything significant problem about this phone.
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are most of those problems possibly just down to settings being incorrect or as you say installing something that the phone software doesnt like?

AAlan said:
are most of those problems possibly just down to settings being incorrect or as you say installing something that the phone software doesnt like?
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Some is hardware and some is software (ie, manila). Pretty much all of the problems I've listed have been solved ever since their early release back in Oct/Nov.

yeah, we all know that there are about 100.000 apps crusing around
but, let me say it, which one do you REALLY need?
my brothers got an ipod touch with about 100apps on it...but for everydayusing there are only a handful...
so i would say, that you can even find such apps for windows mobile...everything you really need...and not 100.000 apps, from which are about 98% useless imho.
DN41

lude219 said:
Some is hardware and some is software (ie, manila). Pretty much all of the problems I've listed have been solved ever since their early release back in Oct/Nov.
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so the handsets that are around in shops now should be all good then hopefully?
DN41 said:
yeah, we all know that there are about 100.000 apps crusing around
but, let me say it, which one do you REALLY need?
my brothers got an ipod touch with about 100apps on it...but for everydayusing there are only a handful...
so i would say, that you can even find such apps for windows mobile...everything you really need...and not 100.000 apps, from which are about 98% useless imho.
DN41
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thats another fair point, dont need lots of apps just some to suit what I am looking for. a decent sat nav and video/internet would probably do me.

mh...one advice from myself: ask also in an apple forum
i think nearly everyone here will tell you only good things about hd2 and winmo
DN41

DN41 said:
mh...one advice from myself: ask also in an apple forum
i think nearly everyone here will tell you only good things about hd2 and winmo
DN41
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good point well made. ill do that.