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The reported/quoted imate specs say 128MB flash ROM and 64MB SDRAM.
My device reports:
Storage Memory Total 43.72MB
Program Memory Total 47.93MB
With no applications other than the branded OS installed (33.05MB 'In use by both Storage and Programs) giving that leaves
Storage Memory Free 30.47MB
Program Memory Free 28.14MB
Where is the missing 158MB of memory? How can I access the missing memory?
Also, what happens if I install applications to the SD card. Do they still work?
Yes, they would still work if you instlal programms on storage card.
This is strange, as I think there should be more storage memory than you have right now. About 17 Megs of your memory is also being used by useless cab files which were there for the first time install.. There are ways and means to reformat the drive and actually gain all this space (Extended_Rom) but it involves some advanced tricks in doing this. Nevertheless The rom should more storage not just 40 Megs (?) can someone else confirm this is the available ROM on the JasJar?
I can't add up
My earlier post should not say missing 158MB of memory, cause if you add up my figures there is just 100MB missing. Had a long day messing around with my new device, and as I say my maths ain't that hot anyway.
Thanks for the advice on installing apps to the storage card.
Same here 43.72MB Storage memory and 47.93MB Program memory.
Not happy.
memory
Expansys website states the following specs:
Memory
• Flash ROM: 128 MB
• RAM: 64 MB SDRAM
can be found here:
http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=119353
If it doesnt match, I would be sending it back, or sueing for false advertising.
What the hell is going on here, $1650 for this device and it has less memory than a Jam and lieing on the website. mmmmmmmm, I would be mad, real mad, someone should die for this, this is worse than the new Telstra boss.
memory
yeah i already ordered mine and am waiting on it to see. i know the way it interprets and runs is different to previous versions, ie my understanding is a hard reset retains its data, so it means it installs directly to ROM and stays there.
From that I can only summise that you can install a maximum of 128 meg of operating system and software direct to ROM, but can only run a maximum of 64 meg into RAM at any point in time, including the operating system, data, and applications.
Then you only use the RAM when you launch the applications, but this would also require the ppc to use some of it, which would appear to be about 20 meg from the previous stats, leaving a max of 40 meg to actually be running at any point in time.
Anyway, wait and see, hopefully should only be about a week as we are on the otherside of the world from where most people are getting them from.
Eitherway, it appears to the best state of the art phone currently available, so we'll just have to see.
Anybody that has already got one, how long does the battery last when running the WIFI? I know my XDAII with a Netgear CF can be drained in a little over 1 hour including the backpacks battery and the main battery.
ROM and RAM size fine
On my JASJAR bought in Dubai yesterday the Device Information says:
RAM Size:64Mb
Flash Size: 128MB
The way Windows Mobile 5.0 manages memory is differnet to Windows Mobile as all the memory is persistent. So you don't lose your data when the device powers off.
But it uses the RAM and ROM more like a PC. The Memory Settings area shows the Storage and Program memories.
The 128Mb of ROM is used for storing the Operating System and for storing user data! The OS takes up about 84.5Mb, leaving on my device 43.5Mb for Storage.
The 64Mb RAM is RAM for running programs. The OS takes about 16Mb at runtime leaving the 47.93Mb Program memory for me to run my programs.
Re: ROM and RAM size fine
vpreHoose said:
On my JASJAR bought in Dubai yesterday the Device Information says:
RAM Size:64Mb
Flash Size: 128MB
The way Windows Mobile 5.0 manages memory is differnet to Windows Mobile as all the memory is persistent. So you don't lose your data when the device powers off.
But it uses the RAM and ROM more like a PC. The Memory Settings area shows the Storage and Program memories.
The 128Mb of ROM is used for storing the Operating System and for storing user data! The OS takes up about 84.5Mb, leaving on my device 43.5Mb for Storage.
The 64Mb RAM is RAM for running programs. The OS takes about 16Mb at runtime leaving the 47.93Mb Program memory for me to run my programs.
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how much price did u pay for imate jasjar in Dubai.
thx
I am dissapointed. My PDA2K has all my major apps installed and still has 18MB free.
The jasJAR with just tomtom5 installed has only 20MB free.
The OS takes up about 84.5Mb
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Huh? when i loaded 2005 on my BA, the OS was 32mb???
I would like to verify the amount of user accessible memory on JasJar. I have the test unit with 1.11 system, but what bothers me much is the problem of memory - In the Settings\DeviceInformation\Hardware I have:
RAM size 64 MB,
FLASH SIZE 128 MB,
Storage Size 43.72
But If I open Settings\Memory it is only
Storage 43.72 MB
Program 47.93 MB
Where is the rest to fill 128 MB??
lukasz
I think (although i may be wrong) that the OS and preinstalled apps are using 84.28mb of the storage memory (the ROM - hence only 128 - 84.28 = 43.72mb storage available) and a portion of the RAM when running (hence only 47mb of the 64mb of RAM being available). Remember that WM5 uses ROM for persistant storage of data and RAM is used in the same way your desktop PC does (state, running code, cache etc).
...also - 'user mamory' ? :shock:
tintoy said:
'user mamory' ? :shock:
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I bet he feels a right tit!
RAM
HI
If i see the possible amount of RAM (for the running program) it's 47,93 Mb. After hardreset (before install any application and stopping the automatic loadaded program) i can use just about 30 Mb. It's normaly? Can I enlarge it somehow?
Breki
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Breki said:
HI
If i see the possible amount of RAM (for the running program) it's 47,93 Mb. After hardreset (before install any application and stopping the automatic loadaded program) i can use just about 30 Mb. It's normaly? Can I enlarge it somehow?
Breki
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No. 47Mb is what you get AFTER the WM5 core OS parts have been loaded. Anything that is taken up from there (47-30Mb is 17Mb) are today plugins, applications, task switchers, operator customizations etc. Unlike WM 2003SE and earlier editions, there is no slider anymore, and the available RAM memory is fixed. So either wait for PPCTechs to provide a RAM upgrad efor the HTC Universal or limit yourself in the choice of starting up your most crucial applications. (and use a task switcher to close the programs instead of minimizing them ;-)
A RAM upgrade would not increase the program storage available (and would only shorten the battery life). It woudl only increase the amount of memeory available for running applications and this si hardly under stress even at 64Mb.
A ROM DOC upgrade would be a different matter. I ntoice the repalcement for the Dell Axim X50v has 256Mb ROM - very much a WM5 design consideration!
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I understand, but when i have just 30 Mb I was after hardreset. No plugin, no other programs, with the reset i stopped the antivirus and other factory default program load from extended ROM. No installed programs, full empty. Just the brand new PDA. How can free the 47-30 Mb RAM?
Breki
Maybe because you have a test unit with a pre-release of the WM5 OS? I suggest you ask I-Mate to provide you with a release version of the WM5 OS first.
Eh? So are you saying that after a hard reset, prior to any operator customisation apps running (ie, a with a very clean base installation of WM5 running), you only have 30Mb RAM? (and i guess you also have a little more ROM as none of the apps have installed to storage memory from the extended ROM).
To clarify: when do you have 30Mb free RAM and when do you have 47.93Mb free RAM?[/u]
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Maybe because you have a test unit with a pre-release of the WM5 OS? I suggest you ask I-Mate to provide you with a release version of the WM5 OS first.
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As i see maybe
My ROM is 1.12.38WWE
Radio 1.03.00
Protokol42.36.P8
How can i get an actual ROM?
Breki
Breki said:
As i see maybe
My ROM is 1.12.38WWE
Radio 1.03.00
Protokol42.36.P8
How can i get an actual ROM?
Breki
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I have 1.12.42WWE, but that is in my MDA Pro. Anyway, 1.12.38 looks like a release verison to me, not a test version.
My JasJar, as bought from Tottenham Court Road (so definitely not a test model) is as follows:
Rom Version: 1.12.38 WWE
ROM Date: 08/24/05
Radio Version: 1.03.00
Protocol Version: 42.36.P8
ExtROM Version: 1.12.120 WWE
No idea what my free memory is like after a hard reset, but I have over 30Mb free when it's in it's normal state (with Pocket Breeze running etc)...
Memory amout -again
Sub 69 - just to make things clear could you please post the following:
In the Settings\DeviceInformation\Hardware:
RAM size ? MB,
FLASH SIZE ? MB,
Storage Size ? MB.
And in Settings\Memory
Storage ? MB
Program ? MB
Lukasz
Thanks to my running SBSH weather, SBSH pocket breezee and pocket plus I get down to about 20Mb free before I've even done anything!
In my case, running SPB Diary, SPB Pocket Plus and PocketZenPhone leaves me with 25Mb RAM free.
But, please do not forget that:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Init also contains services that are launched and that come out of the RAM
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Services also contains services & apps that are launched and that come out of the RAM
I am curious to see how much memory will be free when booted up in safe mode
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I am curious to see how much memory will be free when booted up in safe mode
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How can I do that?
Breki
Lucasz...
RAM: 64Mb
Flash 128Mb
Storage: 43.72Mb
Storage Tot: 43.72
Storage Used: 9.50
Storage Free: 34.22
Program Tot: 47.93
Program Used: 17.64
Program Free: 30.29
Although after a soft reset, I think there's more free Program memory.
Am in a hurry to get home for the football now though...back later!
Does anyone have any rec's. for applications that can break down memory usage on a per process basis (like the windows task manager)? I'd like to see which ones are the memory hogs and decide if I really do need them... I hear pocket plus is a killer!
Memory management...
Hmmm, Just to stop for a little while on the "Program" memory subject -
After few hours of regular use I have verified that have 15.11 MB available, after RunningPrograms \STOP ALL there was 15.21, but after softreset there is 19.79 ! so there is definately some kind of the unlisted or "system" proceses which steal RAM. I hope it will be solved in the future releases of the system. Some kind of the task manager to see what is going on would be a nice thing. Luk
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Does anyone have any rec's. for applications that can break down memory usage on a per process basis (like the windows task manager)? I'd like to see which ones are the memory hogs and decide if I really do need them... I hear pocket plus is a killer!
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i read somewhere on here that memmaid works fine in wm5, that shows processess running and alot of other info
On all my PCs, I have known how much storage space is at my disposal. But not on the Universal.
The user manual states that the device has
ROM: 128 Mb RAM: 64 Mb
But using Settings -> System -> Memory, I get the information that the space is 43.72 Mb for storage and 47.93 Mb for programs.
That makes almost 91 Mb. What is the relationship between these 91 Mb and the ROM and RAM? And when I use File Explorer (or Total Commander), I cannot see any distinction between areas for storage and programs.
Can anybody remove my confusion?
Welcome to the world of Windows Mobile 5...
128 MB ROM is divided into space for the operating system (+- 64 MB) and persistent storage (this is where you have 43.72 MB available). Persistent storage will preserve your data even when the battery is flat.
The RAM is no longer user controllable, and you cannot (easily) store anything there. So the 47.93 MB for programs is purely informational. No more slider where you can shift between storage and program memory.
obviously you are new... but please, research and read the existing thousands of discussion and contributions by hundreds of people on this same topic.
it is expired, old and tedium when the answers are here, over and over and over again.
there is a search function, it works try it.
Here's how it goes:
he Universal comes with 128MB ROM and 64MB RAM as compared to its predecessors who had the exact opposite.
The 128MB ROM is divided into 2 parts:
1) OS + Extended ROM (around 84MB)
2) Storage (remaining 43.5MB as shown above
The 64MB RAM is 90% available to run programs. As with the earlier version of the OS, there is no longer a provision to alter the memory allocated between storage and program memory. Of the 64MB RAM, around 15MB RAM is used for running the OS while the rest (47.93 MB) is left for running installed programs. This is more than enough to do multi-tasking without hiccups.
Hope this helps If you still have any queries about it, please feel free to ask.
hansof feel free to ask anything you want, we arent all smart arses like simon_dreary. In my experience the search function is rubbish.
I did the big storage hack thereby gaining for myself the extra 26.72 mb of space. I have a O2 mini. I used the Method C, using a copy of my own ROM (referred to notes from the Dubai forum). I then went out on to install all my programs into the newly acquired storage area. Some cab files from the saved extended rom (my extrom version is 1.12.920 wwe). Yes ! it is not blank even though I did the hack! Strange.
Programs installed in Storage card of 256 MB
(1) Lexisgoo
Programs in the storage memory of 26.72 MB
(1) BurOaks Conversion in Hand
(2) Conduits Pocket Player
(3) Illium Software E Wallet
(4) Johnathan sachs stop time
(5) Microsoft Voice
(6) Omega 1-Calc
(7) Phatware Phatnotes
(8) Phatware Phatpad
(9) PocketX Photo Contacts
(10) Resco Audio
(11) Resco explorer
(12) Resco keyboard
(13) TCPMP &
(14) Webis Pocket Informant
Program in Main Memory
(1) Phatware calligrapher
I use Pocket Nav to task manage
Earlier I had around 22 mb of memory free. Progressively as I kept using programs and closing them I find that my system is reporting less and less free space. Currently I have 5.37 MB free space, such that the systems flashes the message “the device is critically low of memory etc. etc.”
Total Main Memory - - > 57.42 MB
Allocated:31.49 MN Allocated: 25.92 MB
In use: 28.60 MB In use: 23.44 MB
Free: 2.89 MB Free: 2.48 MB
Storage 26.72 MB
In use: 20.63 MB Free 6.09 MB
My contention is that after loading all programs in storage memory I should have enough free space for running programs. Since, this was the main reason to do a big storage hack. Moreover, now, at any given point I do run more than 1 program in the background.
Also assuming I did not have memory problems, how much further programs could I squeeze into the storage memory ?
Can someone please help?
It appears that you have a memory leak.
Memory can and does get consumed and lost over time due to badly written programs and other OS issues, but to be down to "critical memory" in 1 day is unusual. I run many more programs and that almost never happens to me, so I think that it's either the combination of programs you're using, or how you're closing the tasks. You should know that "closing" tasks can also leak memory potentially.
None of the programs you mention seem to be particularly dangerous, and your setup is not unconventional. I suggest that you use a systematic approach to examining your system and apps, checking each by opening and closing several times, to see which, if any are leaking memory. Run only one app at a time, checking memory before and after.
VJEschaton has a freememory display (and an alpha release memory compacter) if you don't have another one anywhere else.
V
Phew ! A reply at last ! Thank you. I was loosing patience and I needed some sort of explanation. I agree with your explanation. Before posting here I have been reading a lot on this forum and other forums regarding the big storage and what it does. A few questions that I have which I am listing below. I hope you don't mind answering.
(a) Do I need to flash my modified big rom again ? Then start all over again installing my programs.
(b) Could something be wrong with my Device. Which means I have to flash my old, save rom, go back to old Ext rom of 7 mb and then reflash with the Big storage ROM
(c) Stay where I am (with big storage) and install /uninstall programs till I pin point the offending program.
(d) It could be Pocket Player which is the culprit since that was the last program I installed. At that time my free memory was between 21 & 24.
(e) Can I continue to install more programs in storage memory until it is full to capacity and ;
(f) then install other programs to Card
(g) Why would my Ext Rom not show blank (since I have modified this area). Instead it is showing me the Ext Rom Version Number 1.12.920 WWE when it should be blank
(h) Would SK Tools, Freeup Ram be of any help if I install it.
Regards,
I have a Wing Win Mobile 6 Pro CE OS 5.2.1235 (Build 17740.0.2.0)
In the Memory settings it shows Program is using:
Total: 43.87 MB
In Use: 39.42 MB
Free: 4.45 MB
And no programs are running???? I have a friend with the Dash and they have the same issue also.
I store my files on 4GB mem and only have main programs on the internal storage.
Please Advise.
Its a 12mb pagepool problem on the wing, they have a fix for it already, prob listed more than several times on this forum. Search for wing page pool. It takes litterally a second to do and you will have more memory after a reset. And the free memory is your RAM has nothing todo with how big your files are and where they are stored, Its simply what the Wings OS is using to run.
Aside from the 12mb pagepool:
1. MS Live has a severe memory leak.
2. My5 sucks up memory as well.
Many things in the standard wing ROM seem to have bad memory leaks...
There's a few things you can do.
I'm running an 8MB page pool.
What services/apps are unecessary and can delete/remove without affecting the standard image?