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The Design Concept of WM2K5 V1.60 Is Not Good

I am not sure whether mine is right or not. but the version 1.5 sitll be same with before to O2:
128M for system STORAGE and PROGRAMS... another 15M for STORAGE. after release EXTROM, then extra 16M is up.
That is very excellent partition for me: I install everything in the MAIN, then just use different SD card for data, it works very good.
But after I upgrade to Version1.6. I suddently find:
the total 128M all for PROGRAMS. and the 15M STORAGE moves to be system STORAGE,
Then I have very limited functions: I can not install any software in the MAIN since after I installed CHN OS and INPUT, only 5MB left in the main storage...
:-(
not good!!!!! stupid concept!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

so what? use version 1.50h or 1.50i and be happy

YES, I AM DOWNING TO VER1.50 NOW

design is PERFECT, but unfortunately not ideal for xda2 device.
new devices are having 128MB of flash chips and 64MB of RAM chips.
the whole wm2005 on himalaya is just pure experiment...
go for 1.50i if you need more storage space.
for me it is good, coz all my progs are running off of SD card and extROM. I like, that I don't have to care about the battery...
buzz
ps. please post to the right threads...

I think that 1.60a is perfect. It uses the available Himalaya hardware to the max.
I patched the 1.60a down from 128MB ram to 96MB and installed the 32MB ramdisk. With this I have enough storage space while still having the 16MB storage and 16MB Extrom persistent.
Cheers
Pat

i think it is great
i started with 1.60a but as i do have too use wifi and lots of progs put the 96 there
as time passes i do receive a lot of emails and sms messages that wasnt enouth also so put the 64/64
i runing it with that and tell you its very good
as i agree with buzz this tecnology is for new devices and on the xda2 it still works very well
so a version with 32 mb one partition and 128 of ram if possible would be great
i would test such a config when buzz manage to make it possible

1.6a 64
hi buzz and thanks for everything
what i did install is 1.6a 128 in may imate2 (xda2) its good but having troubles with empty storage (whenever i install a program in my SD storage "0.19mb now" some of them take bite from storage and keep program untuched "still 100mb")
so can you help to change that from 1.6a to 1.6a 64mb and i will be so thankfull.
thanks

At first I find it stupid...But the purpose of this is to let the memory stay when the battery gone. You could always use the Extended Rom to become your storage or you can flash back to 150i 32mb/64mb/96mb..

Hi,
I'm using 1.60a and everything is ok!
Usually I choose if program is more or less important and install in Main or in Extended Rom.
So far no major problems.
Only Pocket Informant can't install (even they said is a WM5 compatible version).
Bye.

tony-xd_wang said:
YES, I AM DOWNING TO VER1.50 NOW
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Me too
now downgrade to 1.50i96 faster

1.60a prog memory leak?
First of all thanks to Buzz for a splendid job on the wm5. Having 120mb for running progs has its advantages. But I'd like to post an observation. When normally running after a soft reset, my prog mem is set at 106mb. Then when running the normal progs of the day w/c uses up prog mem, closing the progs would restore it back to my initial 106mb. I've noticed that even w/out running progs, the prog mem gradually drops down. After a few hours it will be at 98-99mb w/out any running progs. I don't know if anybody has noticed this behaviour on their xda2. Perhaps some entlightenment Buzz?
Fyi. i'm running dktoday and spb pocket plus3. The mem monitor from spb tallies w/ those in /settings/memory.

Universal, jasJAR memory does not match specs

The reported/quoted imate specs say 128MB flash ROM and 64MB SDRAM.
My device reports:
Storage Memory Total 43.72MB
Program Memory Total 47.93MB
With no applications other than the branded OS installed (33.05MB 'In use by both Storage and Programs) giving that leaves
Storage Memory Free 30.47MB
Program Memory Free 28.14MB
Where is the missing 158MB of memory? How can I access the missing memory?
Also, what happens if I install applications to the SD card. Do they still work?

Yes, they would still work if you instlal programms on storage card.
This is strange, as I think there should be more storage memory than you have right now. About 17 Megs of your memory is also being used by useless cab files which were there for the first time install.. There are ways and means to reformat the drive and actually gain all this space (Extended_Rom) but it involves some advanced tricks in doing this. Nevertheless The rom should more storage not just 40 Megs (?) can someone else confirm this is the available ROM on the JasJar?

I can't add up
My earlier post should not say missing 158MB of memory, cause if you add up my figures there is just 100MB missing. Had a long day messing around with my new device, and as I say my maths ain't that hot anyway.
Thanks for the advice on installing apps to the storage card.

Same here 43.72MB Storage memory and 47.93MB Program memory.
Not happy.

memory
Expansys website states the following specs:
Memory
• Flash ROM: 128 MB
• RAM: 64 MB SDRAM
can be found here:
http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=119353
If it doesnt match, I would be sending it back, or sueing for false advertising.

What the hell is going on here, $1650 for this device and it has less memory than a Jam and lieing on the website. mmmmmmmm, I would be mad, real mad, someone should die for this, this is worse than the new Telstra boss.

memory
yeah i already ordered mine and am waiting on it to see. i know the way it interprets and runs is different to previous versions, ie my understanding is a hard reset retains its data, so it means it installs directly to ROM and stays there.
From that I can only summise that you can install a maximum of 128 meg of operating system and software direct to ROM, but can only run a maximum of 64 meg into RAM at any point in time, including the operating system, data, and applications.
Then you only use the RAM when you launch the applications, but this would also require the ppc to use some of it, which would appear to be about 20 meg from the previous stats, leaving a max of 40 meg to actually be running at any point in time.
Anyway, wait and see, hopefully should only be about a week as we are on the otherside of the world from where most people are getting them from.
Eitherway, it appears to the best state of the art phone currently available, so we'll just have to see.
Anybody that has already got one, how long does the battery last when running the WIFI? I know my XDAII with a Netgear CF can be drained in a little over 1 hour including the backpacks battery and the main battery.

ROM and RAM size fine
On my JASJAR bought in Dubai yesterday the Device Information says:
RAM Size:64Mb
Flash Size: 128MB
The way Windows Mobile 5.0 manages memory is differnet to Windows Mobile as all the memory is persistent. So you don't lose your data when the device powers off.
But it uses the RAM and ROM more like a PC. The Memory Settings area shows the Storage and Program memories.
The 128Mb of ROM is used for storing the Operating System and for storing user data! The OS takes up about 84.5Mb, leaving on my device 43.5Mb for Storage.
The 64Mb RAM is RAM for running programs. The OS takes about 16Mb at runtime leaving the 47.93Mb Program memory for me to run my programs.

Re: ROM and RAM size fine
vpreHoose said:
On my JASJAR bought in Dubai yesterday the Device Information says:
RAM Size:64Mb
Flash Size: 128MB
The way Windows Mobile 5.0 manages memory is differnet to Windows Mobile as all the memory is persistent. So you don't lose your data when the device powers off.
But it uses the RAM and ROM more like a PC. The Memory Settings area shows the Storage and Program memories.
The 128Mb of ROM is used for storing the Operating System and for storing user data! The OS takes up about 84.5Mb, leaving on my device 43.5Mb for Storage.
The 64Mb RAM is RAM for running programs. The OS takes about 16Mb at runtime leaving the 47.93Mb Program memory for me to run my programs.
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how much price did u pay for imate jasjar in Dubai.
thx

I am dissapointed. My PDA2K has all my major apps installed and still has 18MB free.
The jasJAR with just tomtom5 installed has only 20MB free.

The OS takes up about 84.5Mb
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Huh? when i loaded 2005 on my BA, the OS was 32mb???

Qtek 9000 Memory - where is all the memory????

I just bought a Qtek 9000 and noticed that it was considerably slower than my previous Qtek 9090. I am no expert on PDAs but when i looked at the memory allocation it was not clear why i had a Total of 50mb for running programs, and after a hard reset, out of the 50MB total only 27mb were available. Where is all the PDA's memory gone, could someone please explain clearly (for a novice) where did the 128MB RAM and 40MB Storage go ???? Also any ideas on how to make the Qtek 9000 faster and how to free up some of this memory????
Thanks in advance...

avensis said:
I just bought a Qtek 9000 and noticed that it was considerably slower than my previous Qtek 9090. I am no expert on PDAs but when i looked at the memory allocation it was not clear why i had a Total of 50mb for running programs, and after a hard reset, out of the 50MB total only 27mb were available. Where is all the PDA's memory gone, could someone please explain clearly (for a novice) where did the 128MB RAM and 40MB Storage go ???? Also any ideas on how to make the Qtek 9000 faster and how to free up some of this memory????
Thanks in advance...
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You can download DINARSOFT MEMMAID to see what programs are running and how much RAM each is eating (much like WINXP Taskmanager) where you could also terminate the process.
Here you will see why your 50MB RAM is down to 27mb.
And it's 128MB ROM not RAM. this is where the OS ROM is stored. Use Memmaid also and you will see that of this 128MB rom 70MB is for the OS (i thing the windows folder has 70MB worth of files on hard reset), 10MB for the Extended ROM and the rest are displayed in the memory icon as what is left.
I believe this is how the memory is set up. can anyone confirm what i explained above?

Yes, thanks for the info, but is my assumption true that if i have total 128MB ROM of which the 70MB is for the storage of the OS, and the 50 total has 24MB used for running the OS so i have about 26MB left for running my programs??? So really in total the OS is using most of the ROM for storing and running itself???? Rediculous when they advertize 128MB Rom giving the impression that you have a lot of memory for your use when really you don't. The bottom line is that no matter what i have about 26MB memory in total for running my programs. Correct?

Actually My ROM is something like this after a hard reset:
128MB ROM:
1. 70MB OS Image (Read Only files that cannot be deleted)
2. 44MB STORAGE
3. 10MB Extended ROM Image
This is most of it
the 64MB RAM is just what is actually running.
in memory under PROGRAM, it says 50MB. not sure where the other 14MB are but of the 50MB, what is in use are what the programs in Memmaid show as running application with corresponding MB consumed like cprog, gwes, etc.
Hope this cleared things up. Again, this is just my opinion on how the memory is distributed. I may be wrong. No one has verified i'm correct so i don't know.

Diminishing Memory

I did the big storage hack thereby gaining for myself the extra 26.72 mb of space. I have a O2 mini. I used the Method C, using a copy of my own ROM (referred to notes from the Dubai forum). I then went out on to install all my programs into the newly acquired storage area. Some cab files from the saved extended rom (my extrom version is 1.12.920 wwe). Yes ! it is not blank even though I did the hack! Strange.
Programs installed in Storage card of 256 MB
(1) Lexisgoo
Programs in the storage memory of 26.72 MB
(1) BurOaks Conversion in Hand
(2) Conduits Pocket Player
(3) Illium Software E Wallet
(4) Johnathan sachs stop time
(5) Microsoft Voice
(6) Omega 1-Calc
(7) Phatware Phatnotes
(8) Phatware Phatpad
(9) PocketX Photo Contacts
(10) Resco Audio
(11) Resco explorer
(12) Resco keyboard
(13) TCPMP &
(14) Webis Pocket Informant
Program in Main Memory
(1) Phatware calligrapher
I use Pocket Nav to task manage
Earlier I had around 22 mb of memory free. Progressively as I kept using programs and closing them I find that my system is reporting less and less free space. Currently I have 5.37 MB free space, such that the systems flashes the message “the device is critically low of memory etc. etc.”
Total Main Memory - - > 57.42 MB
Allocated:31.49 MN Allocated: 25.92 MB
In use: 28.60 MB In use: 23.44 MB
Free: 2.89 MB Free: 2.48 MB
Storage 26.72 MB
In use: 20.63 MB Free 6.09 MB
My contention is that after loading all programs in storage memory I should have enough free space for running programs. Since, this was the main reason to do a big storage hack. Moreover, now, at any given point I do run more than 1 program in the background.
Also assuming I did not have memory problems, how much further programs could I squeeze into the storage memory ?
Can someone please help?

It appears that you have a memory leak.
Memory can and does get consumed and lost over time due to badly written programs and other OS issues, but to be down to "critical memory" in 1 day is unusual. I run many more programs and that almost never happens to me, so I think that it's either the combination of programs you're using, or how you're closing the tasks. You should know that "closing" tasks can also leak memory potentially.
None of the programs you mention seem to be particularly dangerous, and your setup is not unconventional. I suggest that you use a systematic approach to examining your system and apps, checking each by opening and closing several times, to see which, if any are leaking memory. Run only one app at a time, checking memory before and after.
VJEschaton has a freememory display (and an alpha release memory compacter) if you don't have another one anywhere else.
V

Phew ! A reply at last ! Thank you. I was loosing patience and I needed some sort of explanation. I agree with your explanation. Before posting here I have been reading a lot on this forum and other forums regarding the big storage and what it does. A few questions that I have which I am listing below. I hope you don't mind answering.
(a) Do I need to flash my modified big rom again ? Then start all over again installing my programs.
(b) Could something be wrong with my Device. Which means I have to flash my old, save rom, go back to old Ext rom of 7 mb and then reflash with the Big storage ROM
(c) Stay where I am (with big storage) and install /uninstall programs till I pin point the offending program.
(d) It could be Pocket Player which is the culprit since that was the last program I installed. At that time my free memory was between 21 & 24.
(e) Can I continue to install more programs in storage memory until it is full to capacity and ;
(f) then install other programs to Card
(g) Why would my Ext Rom not show blank (since I have modified this area). Instead it is showing me the Ext Rom Version Number 1.12.920 WWE when it should be blank
(h) Would SK Tools, Freeup Ram be of any help if I install it.
Regards,

Storage memory on HD2

I started getting warnings on low "Storage Space" on my HD2. This is weired, since I keep my documents and apps on SD. I only installed few very small apps after flashing Energy ROM onto HD2.
I have checked memory allocation and it seams total memory is allocated towards Program and Storage (as in attached picture). I can see that free "Storage Memory" is rather low, but I am not sure on :
1.What is using it. When looking into File explorer, you can't see if the file is using Storage memory or Program memory. I even clicked on "Find large file using storage memory". It found many files, but all of them where on SD... so it should not cause the problem I have.
2. How to reallocate some memory allocated to "Program" into "Storage".
I have Android running from my SD, but I expect this should be only using memory on SD, right?

... and yes, it is very annoying, since it reminds about short memory every time I turn my phone on...

Same problem. 3 days I have HD2, I install Radio Leo 2.15.50.14 and Energy.Leo.29007.Sense2.5.Cookie.2.0.Dec.27 (576MB RAM) and I have:
Storage size (Total storage): 200,27 MB (Used 65,30)
Total program: 449,22 MB (Used 170,33 MB)
But after installing few apps I had only 20MB free space, but more 200MB free program RAM. But for program is enough about 50-80 free RAM, 200 MB is unnecessary...
On my Xperia X1 with 826x ROM i have Total storage 295 MB and Program 191,25 MB and it´s fine.
I´m trying some else ROMs, but not with better parameters.
Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSsCdwY9ngM I can see 290MB Total storage, but which ROM is it??? Or is possible somehow transferred memory from Program (RAM) to Total storage?

The problem may be with hidden caches, as in temp. internet files.

I´ve tested about 20 ROMs, and I found 3 good ROMs with large internal storage.
Best looks me Chucks ROMs http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=618787
- Lite Chucky version (but lite for Chuck - has many program and utils) has 310MB Free
- Tabtastic has 251 free
both are in GTX (white) skin, but he has there links for some old ROMs, where are some dark ROMs
And 256MB free has http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684646
But I only flash these ROMs, testing will come, but looks without bugs (I hope). ;-)

storage
mine using standard rom 3.14 supplied by htc.
just do some tweaks as suggested
application installed
garmin
tcpmp
opera 10
freda
task bar colour
google map
chteditor
cht
cleam ram
rar pocket
phm registry
cleartemp
nodata
wifi no standby
incall rec.
disable vsync sense
used storage 37mb
so far no bug at all. smooth n clean.
i noticed in window folder there is opera9 consumed 7.8mb.
how to delete this file?

fred_up said:
The problem may be with hidden caches, as in temp. internet files.
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not that I have used phone browsing a lot, but I could give it a try to clear those hidden caches. Any idea how?

TwinCZ said:
Same problem. 3 days I have HD2, I install Radio Leo 2.15.50.14 and Energy.Leo.29007.Sense2.5.Cookie.2.0.Dec.27 (576MB RAM) and I have:
Storage size (Total storage): 200,27 MB (Used 65,30)
Total program: 449,22 MB (Used 170,33 MB)
But after installing few apps I had only 20MB free space, but more 200MB free program RAM. But for program is enough about 50-80 free RAM, 200 MB is unnecessary...
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I think the key questions are:
1. How to find out what files are using that Storage Memory. If I see that, I might figure out what I can delete.
2. How to reallocate memory from Program Memory to Storage Memory

ajocius said:
I think the key questions are:
1. How to find out what files are using that Storage Memory. If I see that, I might figure out what I can delete.
2. How to reallocate memory from Program Memory to Storage Memory
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Of course, you´re right, but:
1) too much work with unclear results
2) I didn´t find this answer (I think there is no way to reallocate memory outside ROM cooking)
So for me is simpler test ROMs and find the best, and the 3 ROMs above look usably...

I can't believe that cook like Energy, whos ROM's are used by most users would leave only memory for 2 new apps to be installed after fresh ROM... There is something either wrong in my understanding, or just needs some simple entry in registry or similar.
Common people

ajocius said:
I can't believe that cook like Energy, whos ROM's are used by most users would leave only memory for 2 new apps to be installed after fresh ROM... There is something either wrong in my understanding, or just needs some simple entry in registry or similar.
Common people
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Not for 2 new apps, after flashing you have 130MB free, but after 5-7 apps and some ringtones I had 20MB. I have X1 with more 15 apps and same ringtones and I have 70MB free, thats enough, and same I want from my HD2. And I don´t understand, why Energy has after flash 200MB total and 66MB used, and Chucky´s ROM has 250-310MB total and 18-28 used. And same ore more apps and utils inside...

Have removed all apps via "manage applications" still low storage memory.... I will need new ROM as it looks... I have Energy ROM on my Pro2 device, and there I have 178 MB free storage memory. Go figure...

Energy ROMs I used all time on my Xperia X1 and there were wery good with enough free storage for me, so with these good experience first ROM which I install to my new HD2 was Energy too, but after I found the problem with low storage... So maybe the problem with storage is only for HD2, if you have on TP2 180MB free, this looks enough. ;-)
Now I have in HD2 ChuckyDexterDarkOne and I have 283MB Total, 172 Used (after install every apps and files which I want in Internal storage - after HR was used about 20MB only with a lot of apps and tools inside the ROM) and 111 free... ;-) NICE ;-)