http://mashable.com/2009/01/26/apple-multi-touch-patent/
Apple Gets Their Multi-Touch Patent; Is Palm Screwed?
January 26, 2009 - 6:34 pm PDT - by Jennifer Van Grove 47 Comments
The US Patent Office has signed, sealed, and delivered a late Christmas present to Apple. On January 20th, the powers that be awarded patent #7,479,949, titled Touch screen device, method, and graphical user interface for determining commands by applying heuristics, to Apple. Essentially, Apple wins the war on their multi-touch technology and other copycats should be shaking in their boots.
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The patent, which was originally filed on April 11, 2008, is a long detailed description of the technology, with the abstract reading:
“A computer-implemented method for use in conjunction with a computing device with a touch screen display comprises: detecting one or more finger contacts with the touch screen display, applying one or more heuristics to the one or more finger contacts to determine a command for the device, and processing the command. The one or more heuristics comprise: a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a one-dimensional vertical screen scrolling command, a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a two-dimensional screen translation command, and a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a command to transition from displaying a respective item in a set of items to displaying a next item in the set of items.”
And if MacRumors is right about Tim Cook’s intentions to aggressively take legal action against those ripping off Apple’s intellectual property, then the yet to be released to the public Palm Pre, which supports swiping and pinching, could find itself in a sea of turmoil.
Tim Cook has been quoted saying that, “Well, I don’t want to talk about any specific company. I’m just making a general statement that we think competition is good. It makes us all better. And we are ready to suit up and go against anyone. However, we will not stand for having our IP ripped off, and we’ll use whatever weapons that we have at our disposal. I don’t know that I could be more clear than that.”
We can’t wait to see how this all plays out. Let us know your thoughts and predictions in the comments.
i smell trouble....
It's not right that they were allowed to patent such a basic thing as multitouch. I mean, what if someone had patented double press on regular keyboards a million years ago? No shift+<key>, ctrl+<key> etc. It's just not right.
Makes me glad I have a rooted phone. I can now safely ignore any restrictions that may be placed on t-mobile/google for multi touch .
Another pathetic patent troll. Apple is sinking to a new low. Just thinking to patent something as basic as a GESTURE.
I'd really like this to be challenged in court.
I think Apple will be the first cell maker to go down hill. Mark my words.
Meh, there's actually a lot of prior art for this. Apple is just trolling (as usual?). It won't hold up in court.
Add to that, that Palm has lots of patents of their own they can throw at Apple. I for one would be glad to see Apple sueing Palm, there's a good chance that it's Apple who will get burned instead of Palm, and it would serve them right.
If apple goes after Palm I hope they don't go after us here at xda. I hate apple trying to control everything. Get over yourselves your not original you steal ideas from other people. And its been proven time and time again.
speoples20 said:
If apple goes after Palm I hope they don't go after us here at xda. I hate apple trying to control everything. Get over yourselves your not original you steal ideas from other people. And its been proven time and time again.
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What if they do go after us?
We do not mess with Apple phones on these forums. They have nothing to do with us. We try and keep anything and all Apple related pics/ software off of these forums.
Besides these forums are not located in the U S A
Wow... This is pretty saddening....
Apple sueing for something so basic.
Multi-Touch.....What the hell?
How were they even granted this patent....?
That's like me applying for a patent for "Shift+Touch" zoom, and disallow
anyone else to use these controls....Just makes no sense...
Apple used to be my favorite company, but, they are starting to piss me off.
this stupid patent would not stand a chance in the court!!
it isn't valid if by the time patent was released there were already alternative devices with similar solution.
Apple have been this way since the term "Windows" was used for an entire operating system.
In US law, it doesn't matter if other makers employed the feature before the patent was granted, as long as the patent is granted to the company who did it *first*.
But I'm sure there will be a long, legal battle that won't be over before the G1 EOLs.
I don't want Multi-Touch.
Now on a huge wall-size display, like on Minority Report, or in TV News studios, Multi-Touch may be very cool, but at least for phones, it is a buzz word - like Bubble Memory, or AI programming languages.
Using the Zoom Icon's like on my G1, I can zoom, scroll, etc, one handed. Unless Apple is marketing to Lizard people, using multi-touch requires one hand to hold the phone, and another to do the multi touch. IMHO, that "un-pinch" to zoom out is not easy, comfortable, natural, or intuitive.
(My experience is based on having used an iPhone for nearly a year.)
No offense to the people working on this on Android. It may be very cool on other devices, or for just as a "..we got that too..." demo, but
I don't have it, or want it on my G1.
I agree with Linuxslate. After using multi-touch for a while on the JF1.41 version, I much prefer the stock "double-tap" zoom. For me, it is much easier to use.
However, when I show off the phone, one of the first things they try is multi-touch. When I was on the stock RC30, they would try a multi-touch gesture, and of course, it wouldn't work. They would hand the phone back and say, "What a piece of junk."
I view multi-touch as a cool gimmick, and it is nice to have just to show off the phone. When I actually use the phone, it is a rarely used feature.
apple is not the first . "Minority report " makers should patent gestures . and i know : patents are granted if the solution haven't seen even an scientific newspaper article .
so i patent drinking water and i fee steve for 10 $ for each glass he drink .
t1n0m3n said:
I agree with Linuxslate. After using multi-touch for a while on the JF1.41 version, I much prefer the stock "double-tap" zoom. For me, it is much easier to use.
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While I kinda like the multi-touch zoom I have to say I agree about double-tap zoom, it's way better. Though we don't have that either, at least I don't on my ADP1.
the reason for a patent is to protect creative unique ideas from other stealing it. multi-touch is not creative, or unique. It is a natural progression of touch screens. This is not to protect apple, it is to hinder others. No wonder apple has only 10% of the PC market, because the other 90% see thought the bull****
mannyb said:
Though we don't have that either, at least I don't on my ADP1.
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You can't tap the screen and then tap the + or - to zoom in and out? That sucks, how do you zoom in and out on ADP1 then?
Edit: You are right! That sucks. Oh well.
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You can't tap the screen and then tap the + or - to zoom in and out? That sucks, how do you zoom in and out on ADP1 then?
Edit: You are right! That sucks. Oh well.
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I can tap and then use the magnifying buttons, but I mean zoom in on a part of the screen by just double tapping it.
also it should center the zooming action on where you tap on the screen. as it is all zooming is centered at the center of the view.
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Well - hate to break it to ya all... the touch sensor is not true multi-touch. It's not iPhone-like full matrix capacitive touch screen. Yes- it can pinch to zoom and might do some limited rotate (very limited) but it's based on the same technology of common touch pads - it can do only single finger tracking. The pinch gesture can be recognized but if you are thinking you can have apps like the iPhone piano or guitar - or for that matter - a multi touch keyboard - well - it will not happen with the N1 touch screen.
Not to say that it is a problem - multi touch is over hyped as-is. The pinch-to is just good enough and the zoom bar on previous HTC phones was just as useful.
But don't expect the N1 to detect the position of more than one finger.
Given that - I wish they stayed with resistive touch screen where you could use a stylus to type - 15 days with the N1 and still I find it harder to type with my finger that using a stylus with my now sold HTC HD.
But there is no comparing old WinMo with Android. N1 is a keeper.
Hum, so how come you can find a multi-touch keyboard in the market ?
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.net-cdeguet-smartkeyboardpro-wnzt.aspx
And, not that I don't believe you, but do you have any real proof of what you are saying ?
I've downloaded that app. Couldn't see any multi-touch - it would just press the key I put my last finger on.. just like it should if it was what we call a 2-way touchpad.
I work in developing touch solutions so I know a little bit about them.. The N1 screen, to the best of my experience is not true multi-touch.
dnts:
You could download "MultiTouch Visualizer" and see how N1 handles multitouch, it should be in the market.
If that app is correct, the N1 can distuingish between 2 points at a time which as far as I know is exactly the same as on iphone.
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Just a comment about pinch to zoom, wouldn't this be impossible without multi-touch? The center point between your fingers do not change and as such it has to be multi-touch to allow this gesture. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I've downloaded that app. Couldn't see any multi-touch - it would just press the key I put my last finger on.. just like it should if it was what we call a 2-way touchpad.
I work in developing touch solutions so I know a little bit about them.. The N1 screen, to the best of my experience is not true multi-touch.
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In your OP you say the screen is a specific type that doesn't support it... general user experience of an app in BETA stage isn't a good way to determine that...
Do you have any other reason to claim the hardware of the N1 does not support multi-touch?
OP has zero clue what hes talking about.
He contradicts himself several times.
Theres MT visualizer as mentioned and theres numerous fingerpaint drawing apps that let you do 2 fingers at the same time.
Why not start a post with N1 doesnt have a true trackball.
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Why not start a post with N1 doesnt have a true trackball.
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The trackball is a lie!
There could be some merit to this statement. The form of multitouch the touchscreen on the G1 and Magic (perhaps more, but I'm not sure) used was capable of "2x1d" positioning. That is, if you touched the screen in two places, it knew the two x coordinates being touched and the two y coordinates being touched, but had to way of correlating which x was paired to which y... this was handled in software.
This was fine for pinch gestures, but recall in Luke Hutchison's videos where he showed that the software could become confused and pair the x and y incorrectly, which would lead to the system registering the opposite corners of the touch "box" between your fingers.
You can still see the effect today on some multitouch applications in the Market on the Nexus One. Like multitouch pong or the multitouch plugin for ethereal dialpad. In each case, the software can directly determine the initial touch points usually, but when points cross in the x or y axis they will "snap" together in that axis, and when moving from that position may become confused. This makes games like Multitouch Pong unusable on the Nexus One because it is just not reliable. However I have no way of knowing if this is a hardware limitation or a limitation in the touch software, and nobody has really talked about it.
This is contrasted to the iphone, whose touch screen allows it to keep track of touch points as two (x,y) coordinates without any sort of axis snapping.
Uejji said:
There could be some merit to this statement. The form of multitouch the touchscreen on the G1 and Magic (perhaps more, but I'm not sure) used was capable of "2x1d" positioning. That is, if you touched the screen in two places, it knew the two x coordinates being touched and the two y coordinates being touched, but had to way of correlating which x was paired to which y... this was handled in software.
This was fine for pinch gestures, but recall in Luke Hutchison's videos where he showed that the software could become confused and pair the x and y incorrectly, which would lead to the system registering the opposite corners of the touch "box" between your fingers.
You can still see the effect today on some multitouch applications in the Market on the Nexus One. Like multitouch pong or the multitouch plugin for ethereal dialpad. In each case, the software can directly determine the initial touch points usually, but when points cross in the x or y axis they will "snap" together in that axis, and when moving from that position may become confused. This makes games like Multitouch Pong unusable on the Nexus One because it is just not reliable. However I have no way of knowing if this is a hardware limitation or a limitation in the touch software, and nobody has really talked about it.
This is contrasted to the iphone, whose touch screen allows it to keep track of touch points as two (x,y) coordinates without any sort of axis snapping.
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It is software... even the iPhone has issues with tracking the X,Y pairs when they run into one another, but they have 3 generations of of software developement to help sort it all out. Even with that, you can still confuse the iPhone's multi-touch... make an "X" shape on the scren by running your fingers togther than apart in two "V" shapes, and 99% of the the time it will register it is two seperate lines crossing, and not two actual V's... as well, if you try to cross your fingers it can get even crazier!
The N1 does have a ways to go in terms of multi-touch software and app support to catch up to the iPhone, but I don't see anywhere that supports the claim it is a hardware limitation.
Stylus...
Im sorry but resistant touch screens are the worse screen to be on. Typing on a resistance touch screen is the worst experience ever. Go try a Samsung Omnia I or HTC Touch Diamond.
If your on a all screen device with no keyboard, capacitive is the way to go. Its obvious that the OP doesnt know what he is talking about or doesnt have past experience with resistant touch screens.
If your fingers too big and you need a stylus thats your problem, not a problem of the device.
The Nexus One uses a Synaptics ClearPad 2000 touch screen.
ClearPad 2000 Series benefits
ClearPad 2000 is the original ClearPad solution, offering DualTouch capabilities and easy gesture integration in firmware. In addition to the core ClearPad benefits, ClearPad 2000 Series offers:
* Proven Success—Since its introduction in 2007, ClearPad continues to set the standard for touchscreen performance.
* Exceptional User Experience—Two-finger interaction and gestures (i.e., Pinch, Pivot Rotate) provide an intuitive user experience.
* Best-in-Class Performance and Accuracy—Synaptics’ track record in design and testing ensures successful products that integrate ClearPad 2000 touchscreens.
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* Solution Stack—Synaptics’ comprehensive solution offering covers all critical capabilities, from design to testing to supply/support.
* Seamless Integration—Mount ClearPad touch panels beneath a product’s casing for a sleek, smooth appearance.
* Superior Optics—ClearPad touch panels minimize internal reflections.
* Accuracy—ClearPad delivers best-in-class accuracy, including resolutions of 500+ dpi, without requiring calibration.
* Durability—ClearPad touch sensors, mounted beneath a device’s top plastic, can be designed with a glass or PET substrate.
* Lower Consumption—Doze, sleep, and deep sleep modes maximize battery life and use less energy.
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So, the nexus one is only dualtouch and the iphone is multitouch
Thank you guys for flaming me... but that will not change the fact the our N1s have a simple surface capacitance touch screen that has the ability to distinguish up to 2 fingers provided that they don't cross axis with each other (i.e. each finger stays in it's perimeter so either X or Y axis don't align).
I've designed several touch pads and other touch solutions in the past few years and have pending patents on that technology. You can say what you'd like about my lack of experience - ha - it will not change anything and I couldn't care less.
You can check out this patent application (soon to be granted, I hope):
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0046827.html
So believe me guys and gals - it ain't no multi-touch and don't expect to have multi tocuh capabilities. Pinch to zoom.. maybe rotate... or some 2-finger flicking... that's all. No good and working multi touch keyboard.. no piano or guitar app... simply cannot be done with this hardware...
That said, this hardware provides better accuracy, lower power consumption and is free of patent issues (Apple's multi touch is heavily patent protected).
dnts said:
Thank you guys for flaming me... but that will not change the fact the our N1s have a simple surface capacitance touch screen that has the ability to distinguish up to 2 fingers provided that they don't cross axis with each other (i.e. each finger stays in it's perimeter so either X or Y axis don't align).
I've designed several touch pads and other touch solutions in the past few years and have pending patents on that technology. You can say what you'd like about my lack of experience - ha - it will not change anything and I couldn't care less.
You can check out this patent application (soon to be granted, I hope):
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2009/0046827.html
So believe me guys and gals - it ain't no multi-touch and don't expect to have multi tocuh capabilities. Pinch to zoom.. maybe rotate... or some 2-finger flicking... that's all. No good and working multi touch keyboard.. no piano or guitar app... simply cannot be done with this hardware...
That said, this hardware provides better accuracy, lower power consumption and is free of patent issues (Apple's multi touch is heavily patent protected).
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it is multitouch for me, and you can say what you want. Maybe you should write an article in iphone fanboy sites like engadget and gizmodo, because they would love to hear your scientific findings.
Maybe you could sell your technology to apple or microsoft.
Everyday, since the launch of Nexus, and especially after the OTA there is a scientist picking up no Nexus, because people cannot comprehend that it is better than their iphone. They got stack with steve jobs talking crap about icrap technologies and now cannot bear the shock.
Keep walking, Johnnie Walker.
supergodie said:
So, the nexus one is only dualtouch and the iphone is multitouch
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Dual touch (two finger) IS multitouch. The common definition of mutitouch is more that one finger. The Iphone is rumored to use the same screen. Apple doesn't reveal it's suppliers.
* ClearPad 3000 Series—Our premium ClearPad solution provides the ultimate in touchscreen innovation and excitement with MultiTouch capabilities (up to 10 fingers simultaneously). A powerful new chip delivers 48 sensing channels and excellent power management for a differentiated user experience. Click here to see the 3000 Series demo demo with gestures like Crumple and Scratch.
* ClearPad 2000 Series—ClearPad 2000 Series—the original ClearPad solution—brings exceptional DualTouch (2-finger) touch capabilities to a wide range of handheld devices. High performance and accuracy combined with seamless gesture integration make ClearPad 2000 Series the proven touchscreen leader seen in the market.
* ClearPad 1000 Series—ClearPad 1000 makes touch capabilities available to mass-market handheld devices. This SingleTouch solution provides exceptional gesture integration and a flexible zero-border sensor design. For cost-effective touchscreen capabilities, ClearPad 1000 is the right choice.
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Guys I was looking the synaptic webpage and I found this :
ww.synaptics.com/about/press/press-releases/synaptics-clearpad-on-nexus-one-smartphone
Nexus one has a CLEARpad 2000 capacitive touch screen sensor, so it's dual touch , the clearpad 3000 it has support for multitouch .
So the nexus one doesn't have multitouch only has dual touch ...
I was testing the piano application from Iphone and It's recognize a lot of points on the screen , anybody know which hardware display have the iphone? .
PD: I sold my iphone 3GS and now I have a nexus one .
Sorry, my english is bad .
htcmagic said:
it is multitouch for me, and you can say what you want. Maybe you should write an article in iphone fanboy sites like engadget and gizmodo, because they would love to hear your scientific findings.
Maybe you could sell your technology to apple or microsoft.
Everyday, since the launch of Nexus, and especially after the OTA there is a scientist picking up no Nexus, because people cannot comprehend that it is better than their iphone. They got stack with steve jobs talking crap about icrap technologies and now cannot bear the shock.
Keep walking, Johnnie Walker.
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Well.. you obviosly don't want to understand what I am saying and if you are a happy camper with your N1 - so be it.. I will not ruin the fun for you...
But the Clearpad 2000 technology is lacking. We all know the palm wrapping problem offsetting our finger touch if we don't hold the device careful enough... root cause of this is HW and software may ease things up slightly but cannot rid of that problem (which is #1 problem with N1 screen for me).
I never owned an iPhone. I don't like anything Apple.. don't like being a fanboy either. Not for WinMo and not for Android.
I like my N1. A leap from the HD. A keeper for me. But that doesn't stop me from pointing out stuff when I see it.
All the best...
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Well.. you obviosly don't want to understand what I am saying and if you are a happy camper with your N1 - so be it.. I will not ruin the fun for you...
But the Clearpad 2000 technology is lacking. We all know the palm wrapping problem offsetting our finger touch if we don't hold the device careful enough... root cause of this is HW and software may ease things up slightly but cannot rid of that problem (which is #1 problem with N1 screen for me).
I never owned an iPhone. I don't like anything Apple.. don't like being a fanboy either. Not for WinMo and not for Android.
I like my N1. A leap from the HD. A keeper for me. But that doesn't stop me from pointing out stuff when I see it.
All the best...
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I for one, find this all very interesting, and from the sounds of it, this guy knows his stuff and it seems pretty factual.
People, its not exactly a bad thing the N1 doesn't have true-multitouch, it is not as if the average consumer will realize this. They will look at whatever involves two fingers as exactly what the iPhone has.
Exactly why though would we need multiple fingers on the screen, other than two? I guess for things such as piano and guitar, but I do not believe this would contribute to many other things..
balabok said:
Dual touch (two finger) IS multitouch. The common definition of mutitouch is more that one finger. The Iphone is rumored to use the same screen. Apple doesn't reveal it's suppliers.
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" today announced that the Nexus One™ phone uses its ClearPad™ 2000 capacitive touchscreen sensor."
So sad to see that ... I would rather pay an extra 50 bucks for a ClearPad 3000 if 50 is enough, though so far 2 fingers response is enough for me Hope the 2000 is not the source of the touch screen problem.
Looking forward to see info about the chip that N1 uses: "T1007A, 2 0927, AMP08P"
Oh no! Can I only use two fingers with my Nexus One?
Now I must sell it and buy something better... I must use at least three fingers when using the facebook app! An playing the piano on my phone is something i wish to do every day.
Seriously guys... Even if the Nexus has single touch it beats every phone out there today imho. Stop whining what it could have been and just be happy and have some fun with it... =)
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ummmmmmmmmmmmmm......
LMAO!
OMG i totally get this!!!
and for those of you who don't... look for the lego block of doom.
it takes the place of Flash...
huahuahuahua. GREAT! LOL
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awesome lol.
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Sent from my Nexus One
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why the **** would you not want adobe to make apps to support your product? apples to cocky hopefully all websites start to use flash media and apple burns in hell.
Rally187 said:
why the **** would you not want adobe to make apps to support your product? apples to cocky hopefully all websites start to use flash media and apple burns in hell.
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it's simple android scares the **** out of steve jobs, he knows very soon droid will surpass his locked down iphone. i bet he is curled up in a ball after he saw a video of android ported to his precious iphone.
as soon as steve jobs is fired and he will be for his hitler like mentality, apple will fade into nothing and it will just be windows & linux.
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it's simple android scares the **** out of steve jobs, he knows very soon droid will surpass his locked down iphone. i bet he is curled up in a ball after he saw a video of android ported to his precious iphone.
as soon as steve jobs is fired and he will be for his hitler like mentality, apple will fade into nothing and it will just be windows & linux.
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haha i saw that very funny and cool
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as soon as steve jobs is fired and he will be for his hitler like mentality, apple will fade into nothing and it will just be windows & linux.
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You couldn't be more wrong because Apple fans are like sheep to the slaughter. Even if they know it sucks they keep herding to Apple's **** cuz they're brainless idiots...
apple has proven that you can polish ****
venumx said:
apple has proven that you can polish ****
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Or rather, take something free, throw in a fancy GUI, then charge thousands of dollars for it. Poor BSD.
Hahaha great picture
SupahDave said:
You couldn't be more wrong because Apple fans are like sheep to the slaughter. Even if they know it sucks they keep herding to Apple's **** cuz they're brainless idiots...
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this is so sadly true... all or most of my friends are these types of idiots. I never went to apple I stuck with my WinMo HTC Touch and the second we booted android on there I was hooked... I haven't looked back since
Kind of off topic but I read this morning on zdnet about android being installed and working on an iphone.
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Kind of off topic but I read this morning on zdnet about android being installed and working on an iphone.
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I believe they call that IC envy.
Apple Successfully Patents Rectangle With Rounded Corners (No Joke)
SupahDave said:
You couldn't be more wrong because Apple fans are like sheep to the slaughter. Even if they know it sucks they keep herding to Apple's **** cuz they're brainless idiots...
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Talking about brainless idiots I cant believe Apple have stooped this low, they must be very scared of the speed and the way android is developing, check this out,
by by Eric McBride frm androidpit.com
Apple Successfully Patents Rectangle With Rounded Corners (No Joke)
"You've read about the patent infringement claims, you've heard about the court wins and losses, and you’re probably pretty fed up with hearing the words “Apple” and “patent” used in the same sentence. We've always joked about Apple pretty much thinking they own the rights to anything square or rectangular shaped, as any product that has the potential to sell well is always accused by Apple of resembling an iPad. Well ladies and gentlemen, you’re not going to believe this, but the Cupertino company has just been granted a patent that might make take the funny out of those jokes: Apple has successfully patented a rectangle with rounded corners. I wish I could say this was a joke. It's not.
Patent D670,286, which can be fully viewed here, was issued to Apple yesterday, and what it clearly focuses on is the outer edge shape of what could be pretty much be anything. What’s important to note is the solid lines in the photo below, as they are what count. The lines with dashes are simply there for context, and as you can see from the one solid line defined in the photo, it’s the shape itself that is being protected. This may very well be the broadest patent I have ever seen, and how Apple managed to actually secure it from the patent office makes me question the logic of the US patent system even more than I already was before:
Apple normally submits design patents with at least one extra feature highlighted by solid lines, like a home button or the shape of a bezel. This newest patent however, focuses purely on the shapes of the edges, meaning that in a way, Apple now owns the right to any rectangular shaped tablet or phone with rounded edges.
Mindblowing.
The good news is that this patent could most likely end up being torn apart in court in the way of invalidity arguments. It covers such a broad spectrum that lawyers could probably come up with quite a few ways of invalidating it, and I seriously doubt that this patent will be of any real use as a weapon for Apple.
That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Apple try their very best to use it unfairly against others.
What do you guys think about this? Can you believe Apple was granted this patent?"
I think I will take it one step further and patent the CIRCLE and then sue Dunlop, Goodyear, car manufacturers,CD and DVD manufacturers, for patent infringement, they will have to produce square wheels,tyres, CD's etc, lol.
I think its a joke that a company as big as Apple with supposedly intelligent people running it could come up with the absurd idea of patenting a shape. they must be scared, really scared lol
Very funny, and TRUE!! (about the photo) :good:
As for the patent. Where's that emoticon with the look of blood thirsty rage?
Apple has such deep pockets that they've bribed the US patent office. I mean, c'mon... a rounded corner rectangle? This is atrocious and outright disgraceful.
I admit that the iPhone is a great looking product and the smooth graphics are the best around. It's a very competent device. But... it is OPTIMIZED TO PRICE GOUGE THE CONSUMER. First, they made it fragile, with breakable glass on both sides that will break even if you have a protective case around it (sufficient shock will shatter the glass without direct contact). Then, they instituted the greatest memory scam ever, getting you to pay $100 for 16Gb additional memory that normally costs everyone else $12 via the use of an SD card. And the new charging connector? They could have released that with the first iPhone. But they didn't... because their product marketing people figured out that this would be another revenue point for their accessories business. So, they released it a few models later, once iPhone ownership became thoroughly entrenched, so they can make even more money.
Apple is one of the most profitable companies in the USA. There's a good reason for it, beyond the eye candy products. It's the overpriced nature of their goods. And the sheeple that buy their products don't see this at all... the fawn over all that Apple has to offer and take it up the rear to be a member of the club.
So, I won't own an iPhone. I like it, but the price is utterly ridiculous and the owner constraints super annoying. Android will be my phone OS of choice until something better comes along, which I don't foresee happening for a very long time.
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cytherian said:
Very funny, and TRUE!! (about the photo) :good:
As for the patent. Where's that emoticon with the look of blood thirsty rage?
Apple has such deep pockets that they've bribed the US patent office. I mean, c'mon... a rounded corner rectangle? This is atrocious and outright disgraceful.
I admit that the iPhone is a great looking product and the smooth graphics are the best around. It's a very competent device. But... it is OPTIMIZED TO PRICE GOUGE THE CONSUMER. First, they made it fragile, with breakable glass on both sides that will break even if you have a protective case around it (sufficient shock will shatter the glass without direct contact). Then, they instituted the greatest memory scam ever, getting you to pay $100 for 16Gb additional memory that normally costs everyone else $12 via the use of an SD card. And the new charging connector? They could have released that with the first iPhone. But they didn't... because their product marketing people figured out that this would be another revenue point for their accessories business. So, they released it a few models later, once iPhone ownership became thoroughly entrenched, so they can make even more money.
Apple is one of the most profitable companies in the USA. There's a good reason for it, beyond the eye candy products. It's the overpriced nature of their goods. And the sheeple that buy their products don't see this at all... the fawn over all that Apple has to offer and take it up the rear to be a member of the club.
So, I won't own an iPhone. I like it, but the price is utterly ridiculous and the owner constraints super annoying. Android will be my phone OS of choice until something better comes along, which I don't foresee happening for a very long time.
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I dont think anything better will be coming along in the foreseeable future, the beauty of Android is that it is open source with so many different developers working on it and always looking for improvement, it just gets better and better and its happening at a rapid rate, Apple like Microsoft are at a disadvantage in that they only use resources within their companies, yes they both have pretty good products but their success has mostly been attained through their marketing which their both very good at but things are changing.
Each year the Mobile World Congress is held to award best mobile manufacturer and best mobile device, last year HTC and Apple won these two award respectively this year however one company took both awards, and that company is Samsung.
New data released by Kantar Worldpanel ComTech has shown that Android is dominating the mobile OS market share in Australia, following similar trends throughout Europe and the US.
Android is the OS installed on 56.9 per cent of smartphones in Australia, up from 36.4 per cent at the same time last year. Apple's iOS holds on to a significant 30.5 per cent market share and Spain is the country with the greatest Android reach, with a whopping 84.1 per cent.
So I think that Android right now is an unstoppable roller-coaster and Android devices will continue to gain an increased market share in the next few years and I for one am enjoying the ride.
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So I think that Android right now is an unstoppable roller-coaster and Android devices will continue to gain an increased market share in the next few years and I for one am enjoying the ride.
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I agree. It's especially encouraging to see a lot of European and Asian nations embracing Android over iOS. Part of that was probably due to Apple's exclusive contract with AT&T in the beginning. People outside the USA hold onto their phones for much longer, because of the differences in phone costs and fewer restrictions to move a phone from one carrier to the next. This likely gave enough pause for Android to shore up the margin from Apple. Apple likes to have an iron grip on the iPhone, placing stiff limits in many respects. I find it deplorable that you can only use iTunes with it. iTunes is fine as a music library manager and player, but mediocre as a cellphone device manager.
Going with the "roller coaster" theme, I do see Android overtaking Apple more extensively in the future. Samsung and HTC have achieved amazingly smooth graphics and AMOLED/LCD display quality. Apple's "retina" display is slightly superior, but this won't be for long. What a lot of people overlook is one limiting factor: the human eye. For instance, look at flat screen TV's. Going from 60Hz to 120Hz is notably different. However, 240Hz? For myself, I find it presenting "too much" information. 120Hz is easier on the eyes while still providing lifelike clarity. Who needs anything better than that? This kind of clarity exists with retina display. I don't see any room to improve it. The only exception will be the "scroll out" flexible AMOLED screens. Imagine you have a moderate sized smart phone, but can pull out a larger viewing screen for when you want to visually voice chat with someone or watch a movie. I'll bet Apple will be the first to introduce this, but I hope HTC and Samsung can get some patents filed before hand so they don't get stomped over by Apple again. Like a patent for rounded rectangles... I'm still scratching my head on that one.
I had a debate with my friend last nite if it was possible or not. I say it is with resistive touch screens... Can someone prove me right? it only needs to measure oooh, say a few grams
Id imagine the only thing that would keep our TP2 from measuring weight is the lack of multi-touch.
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I had a debate with my friend last nite if it was possible or not. I say it is with resistive touch screens... Can someone prove me right? it only needs to measure oooh, say a few grams
Id imagine the only thing that would keep our TP2 from measuring weight is the lack of multi-touch.
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LOL I think I can picture exactly the creative process and environmental variables that led to this question...I'm surprised that nobody else has had that same "hey...what if!" moment already
I think the obstacle here is that resistive screens generally can identify one 'peak point' of pressure, and can track it's movement, but I don't know if they could do anything with weight that is spread across the screen. So, you'd have to measure out...whatever...into something about the size of a thimble, but weighing much less. I'm not saying that it's entirely not possible, but it would have to be done some other way than just setting some substance directly on the screen (unless it was compact enough that it only created one pressure point...)
Honestly I'd really love to see this too. Not just for the obvious use, but also because it would be great to have for the next "yeah, well, can your phone do this" competition I find myself in
Can your phone keep your dealer honest? I KNOW there's not an app for that!
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Great information!!
that same question was raised back 3-4 years ago when i had my tilt (1) kaiser. It would be handy at times such app...
Yeah, if somebody figured it out I'd pay them a visit shortly after harvest with the shiny kind.
that would def be a app to have! id show some love for a working version that could weigh up to 4 ounces(quarter pound)... with a changeable standard, grams or oz... mmmm.... what were we talkin about again? lol
haha, Seems like theres a real demand from the erm... "Community." The big question is it is possible on a resistive screen that DOESNT have multitouch? Devs, we're lookin at yous
http://www.xda-developers.com/windows-mobile/dual-touch-sdk-for-resistive-screens-v1-0-beta/
multitouch?
Yes we would all love multitouch and in the future windowsphone7 will support it. When I made the SuperMarioBros. for windows mobile it didnt support Multitouch which some people had problems with , but got used to it after a while. You would have to let go of a button in order to press next button. I look forward to multi-touch as I will be able to create games of more depth.
The Galaxy Note, Galaxy Nexus etc are Palmtop computers and we should stop calling them phones. Just because Apple call their Palmtop a phone doesn't make it one or that others should follow suit.
Tablets are not Palmtops either (unless you have very big hands) but Laptops without a keyboard which makes them more portable.
So the Note is not a phone or a phonblet but a Palmtop PC or simply a Palmtop.
Palmtop computer = 5 syllables
Phone = 1 syllable
I know which I'm using.
People still call automobiles cars (short for horse drawn carriage). Languages are flexible and evolve and grow with us. If the other person gets the idea, that's what matters. Voice communication capability in an electronic device warrants the name phone in my opinion. The smart- prefix is what describes the computer aspect of them.
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Palmtop computer = 5 syllables
Phone = 1 syllable
I know which I'm using.
People still call automobiles cars (short for horse drawn carriage). Languages are flexible and evolve and grow with us. If the other person gets the idea, that's what matters. Voice communication capability in an electronic device warrants the name phone in my opinion. The smart- prefix is what describes the computer aspect of them.
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Apple called their Palmtop the iphone (which is pronounced as two syllables like Palmtop) but it is still a Palmtop with a phone application. You might think the of iPhone as a phone but that is due to Apple brainwashing. I think of my Note as a Palmtop with a phone application and I expect most people do too.
I'm pretty sure this will be a very hot topic in the lingustics forum...
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Apple called their Palmtop the iphone (which is pronounced as two syllables like Palmtop) but it is still a Palmtop with a phone application. You might think the of iPhone as a phone but that is due to Apple brainwashing. I think of my Note as a Palmtop with a phone application and I expect most people do too.
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I don't usually think in words; more like concepts, images, emotions. I just use words for conveying information to others. I use whichever words most efficiently convey the making. Sometimes that even includes choosing words I, personally, feel are inaccurate, because I know they will work best with the other person's limited vocabulary. Such as answering "yes, it's like a mini iPad" (though in situations as extreme as that, I usually do follow up with a bit of a lesson. )
Sometimes I think of my device as mass of highly processed and patterned mineral extracts, interconnected with a metallic web of smelted ores, wrapped in layers of polymerized refinement products of dinosaur material dug from within the earth's crust after millions of years of conditioning from heat and pressure, which converts electrochemical energy into various other forms including sonic air reverberations and electromagnetic radiation in the visible and radio spectrum, based upon a combination of my tactical input and reception of faint electromagnetic radiation in the radio spectrum.
But if I were talking to you I'd probably just abbreviate it to palmtop with phone application so you'd understand.
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I'm pretty sure this will be a very hot topic in the lingustics forum...
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It ought to be a hot topic because it is time for people to stop calling their Palmtops phones and forget the Apple brainwashing.
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I don't usually think in words; more like concepts, images, emotions. I just use words for conveying information to others. I use whichever words most efficiently convey the making. Sometimes that even includes choosing words I, personally, feel are inaccurate, because I know they will work best with the other person's limited vocabulary. Such as answering "yes, it's like a mini iPad" (though in situations as extreme as that, I usually do follow up with a bit of a lesson. )
Sometimes I think of my device as mass of highly processed and patterned mineral extracts, interconnected with a metallic web of smelted ores, wrapped in layers of polymerized refinement products of dinosaur material dug from within the earth's crust after millions of years of conditioning from heat and pressure, which converts electrochemical energy into various other forms including sonic air reverberations and electromagnetic radiation in the visible and radio spectrum, based upon a combination of my tactical input and reception of faint electromagnetic radiation in the radio spectrum.
But if I were talking to you I'd probably just abbreviate it to palmtop with phone application so you'd understand.
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If I were talking to you or anyone else I would describe the Note as a Palmtop with a phone application rather than a phone with a computer application, which makes more sense.
I would still call it a phone because the phone function is the most important one for me. I wouldn't buy the Note if it didn't work as a phone even if it came with retractable back-scratcher and inflatable woman.
I'm not so sure about this apple brainwashing part, I vaguely recall Windows Mobile phones being called phones before that.
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I would still call it a phone because the phone function is the most important one for me. I wouldn't buy the Note if it didn't work as a phone even if it came with retractable back-scratcher and inflatable woman.
I'm not so sure about this apple brainwashing part, I vaguely recall Windows Mobile phones being called phones before that.
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The name given to a device is important and should best describe what it does otherwise it is misleading. So the Note, Nexus, Atrix, iphone etc are best described as a Palmtops rather than phones because of their multiple applications. So, for Apple to call their Palmtop a phone is a name which is both misleading and inaccurate.
I bought a smartphone, if you want to call it a palmtop
that is fine with me, but stop trolling. I am sure when you
don't know where it is, you ask your wife if she's seen your
palmtop with phone application lying around somewhere.......
Some ppl just got nothing useful to do for killing time.
And as another user mentionned before, HTC made smartphones
before Apple even dreamed about iphones
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So the Note is not a phone or a phonblet but a Palmtop PC or simply a Palmtop.
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Semantics!
It's a computer and a phone, which we typically call a smartphone - pure and simple.
What makes "palmtop" any better than "smartphone"?
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its a phone, end of, nothing to do with what apple calls them its something that YOU seem to have a bee in your bonnet opver and have designated to wanting it to be called nothing more nothing less
there is point trying to get people to call it a palmtop instead of a phone
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The name given to a device is important and should best describe what it does otherwise it is misleading. So the Note, Nexus, Atrix, iphone etc are best described as a Palmtops rather than phones because of their multiple applications. So, for Apple to call their Palmtop a phone is a name which is both misleading and inaccurate.
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friedje said:
I bought a smartphone, if you want to call it a palmtop
that is fine with me, but stop trolling. I am sure when you
don't know where it is, you ask your wife if she's seen your
palmtop with phone application lying around somewhere.......
Some ppl just got nothing useful to do for killing time.
And as another user mentionned before, HTC made smartphones
before Apple even dreamed about iphones
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Palmtop is easier to say than smartphone and has the advantage of being a more accurate description. You can call your Palmtop a phone or smartphone but companies are legally obliged to avoid names which are misleading.
every man and his dog thinks he invented english.. are you the man or the dog, and wtf is a palmtop computer?
foxmeister said:
Semantics!
It's a computer and a phone, which we typically call a smartphone - pure and simple.
What makes "palmtop" any better than "smartphone"?
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Palmtops can be used to perform many applications so calling it a phone is misleading and inaccurate.
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I say Phablet: PHone + tABLET.
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bamboo12 said:
every man and his dog thinks he invented english.. are you the man or the dog, and wtf is a palmtop computer?
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A Palmtop is a computer which fits in your palm as opposed to a laptop which is a computer that fits on your lap
I just call it "fantastic"
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A Palmtop is a computer which fits in your palm as opposed to a laptop which is a computer that fits on your lap
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oooo.. so it actually should be called a palmtop computer phone, because computers can't make phone calls
The smallest Ara endo is shockingly small, supposedly 100mm tall x 40mm wide. It's actually smaller than my Blackberry Pearl Flip at 101mm x 50mm. It could make a killer flip phone. Some advantages of a smart flip phone are 1) rugged, extra pocketable clamshell protection for the screen 2) better speaker and mic positioning during calls 3) if you carry a second phone for work, you may not want two 6" behemoths 4) though not well suited for games or info dense apps, the phone would still run google voice and a variety of other necessary and popular communication apps.
The concept I have in mind would model itself off of the Motorola Ming, attached below. That is, rather than having two screens, it would have one screen and the cover flip would be either entirely transparent (like the ming) or partially transparent (like various flagship quick covers that give you a small window to display info like time and caller ID--if the screen is AMOLED, this would save power). The transparent lid/speaker could hinge off the screen module itself, taking advantage of the additional stability posts on the front of the endos for strength and producing a relatively svelte device.
I'd love to convince someone to make a screen that turned the small Ara into a flip phone. I think having an actual concept drawing might help this module get made. Anything from pencil sketches to full on 3d renders would be amazing. This challenge is for someone fascinated by Ara, interested in a challenge, and willing to accept payment in gratitude and artistic credit. The completed render/drawing would be tweeted at various Ara people and any companies identified as working on modules and to blogs that have covered Ara and tweets would ID you as the artist. You could also sign the image itself and I and perhaps other crazy flip phone fans would be promoting your skills for free.
I know convincing someone to do some sketches is itself unlikely, and getting the module even more so, but android flip phones actually are popular overseas and I think there is a niche market here as well, perhaps especially for people who carry multiple phones. So I decided it is worth asking. Thank you kindly
I would note for the record, that at today's ATAP presentation at Google IO, the Ara lead showed off, among other things, the concept drawing of the flippy pad Samuel Herb did. There is some potential for recognition for interesting concepts.
You also get to see Ara make to the boot animation, although not quite to the homescreen as they'd hoped. It's an exciting geek moment.