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Question regarding the Internal memory of O2 XDA Exec

Hi all,
Could anyone please tell me the differences between the storage memory and the program memory? Yeah, I know this might sounds stupid and I also wish that the answer is really that straight forward.
I always thought that 'Program Memory' is suppose the memory quota for us to install application & softwares. Where, storage memory is just simply the portion of memory where we stores data that we creates.
But whenever I install applications, 'storage' is the memory which always to be used up. Yet, I can hardly use up my 'program' portion of memory...
Can anyone tell me why? and how to install applications in the program memory instead of storage memory?
Thank you very much.
Cheers!

Search would have helped a great deal here, FAQ.
Storage is Flash
Programs is RAM
WM5 works the same way as a desktop. It loads the OS from disk to RAM when you power it on. When you remove the battery everything is safely stored to disc, not RAM as WM2003 was. Battery can go flat, no backup battery needed.

PReDiToR said:
Search would have helped a great deal here, FAQ.
Storage is Flash
Programs is RAM
WM5 works the same way as a desktop. It loads the OS from disk to RAM when you power it on. When you remove the battery everything is safely stored to disc, not RAM as WM2003 was. Battery can go flat, no backup battery needed.
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..... so how do you save stuff to Program memory? Or is that just temp momory that stuff runs from when you execute it?

You can`t save stuff to program memory.The program memory is like the RAM in your PC,just used for temporary storage and running programs.The storage memory is like the hard drive in your PC,used for actually `storing` data.

liverman666 said:
You can`t save stuff to program memory.The program memory is like the RAM in your PC,just used for temporary storage and running programs.The storage memory is like the hard drive in your PC,used for actually `storing` data.
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So why do they bother displaying it on the memory settings?
And does that mean it's different to how it was on the XDA2? That used to have a slider allowing you to change the allocation for storage/program memory.

RE
I find storage memory is the one you need to watch out. As you install more programs whether to SD card or to Program memory the storage memory goes down
Too low storage memory and your system will not perform properly. Install programs with large file size first then follow by programs with smaller file size otherwise you'll encounter installation 'Not enough memory' if you do it the other way round

memory leakage

Dear All,
i'm using wm5, i noticed there is a memory leakage , i'm using batery status , every program i open memory decreases then when i close the program using resco task manager , the memory used by the program is not released.
is there any way to avoid this ???

Try using Oxios Memory to recover leaked memory.

I did but still not all the memory recovered , as example as i restart i have 21 MB free after using the device for 6-8 hours , i find the memory 17-18 MB , and i'm sure that all the programs are properly closed.

If you opened a lot of applications in those 6 to 8 hours then that is normal.
You can't just close the app and think that it will be like you have never opened it...that it will remove every bit from memory.
for example, I start with 24MB of free RAM after reset, and trough two or tree days it drops down to 19-22MB dependinh of which and how many apps I have started meanwhile.

Installed apps, even those stored on a SD card will create unneccessary files in the main memory taking some memory away. Check these locations to see if you can delete files from apps that are not needed for the app to run. (main memory) Application Data/Volatile, windows directory/app mgr./active sync (control log) several bytes can be safely deleted here. Look for programs that have been removed, but are still in the app mgr. folder. If files can't be found, use the app that newbie2 offered or this one. Works for me!

Same for me
Man i get the samething. I use the Oxias but it only frees up a couple hundred kb to maybe a few mb. Crazy that I can get it all the way down to 2-3mb of ram. I start with in the 23-26mb free range. I open the following:
Slide2Unlock by A_C
Iphone launcher by Grumps
PocketCM by Tene
I have softkey by water
and Hbutton running
I occassionally check my email and get a few text messages. Outside of that, not a lot of major memory usage.
Even with that going I start at about 21 - 23mb. How is getting down that low. And what will actually work to get it back?
CG

It could be that these programs you have installed are the cause. I think I recall seeing an issue like this related to Slide2Unlock. But the truth is, any badly/improperly written software can do this.

treo...not! said:
It could be that these programs you have installed are the cause. I think I recall seeing an issue like this related to Slide2Unlock. But the truth is, any badly/improperly written software can do this.
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Does anyone know of an actual GOOD program out there that will automatically dump the RAM cache at interval or preset limits?? And do it with a noticable difference??
I have seen others using Resco, task manager and few other programs but most people report the same problem. I know M$ has set the cache up to do this on its own but it is just not as affective as I would like it to be. I know that the short answer is to give up the apps I like. But, I would like to work around that if possible.
CG

hotdog53 said:
Installed apps, even those stored on a SD card will create unneccessary files in the main memory taking some memory away. Check these locations to see if you can delete files from apps that are not needed for the app to run. (main memory) Application Data/Volatile, windows directory/app mgr./active sync (control log) several bytes can be safely deleted here. Look for programs that have been removed, but are still in the app mgr. folder. If files can't be found, use the app that newbie2 offered or this one. Works for me!
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You can clear the Opera history & cache while in Opera, clear cache and delete files while in PIE. With the attached app, which I use ALL the time, can do all this with 1 tap. It also gets rid of your most recent program thst was opened from the start menu. Lots of items can be cleaned and eliminated safely allowing more memory. Check the box by the item/s you want the app to focus on.
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Enhancing Program Memory

Hi All,
i am a new user to PDA phones. I was using the PointUI home freeware(similar to SPB Home). On turning on the Audio manager, i found the phone becoming slow. The free memory shown was 9.15 MB.I hence uninstalled the PointUI freeware and checked the program memory usage. Even while not any applications,call or msg these are the stats:
Prog Mem: 43.24 MB
In Use: 22.16 MB
Free: 21.08 MB
I would like to know why the In Use memory is taking 50% of the space while NOT running any applications!
and is there any way to enhance the program performance?!!
Apolagize if the question is wierd..just a lay mans' question...

The memory usage is because the OS needs itself to be loaded into memory before you can use the phone. Like in a computer, if you have 1 GB RAM installed, you will not get one GB free when the system boots up. This is applicable to phones as well, it doesn't matter whether its a smartphone/pda or not.

faster GENE!!!
NO guys...u cant make your gene faster by any method even after installing only 1 app!
the fact is when u reboot yr pda the free memory is around 21mb
but as you open applications some of them continue to run in d background.
so use a 3rd party app like 'advanced task manager 0.8' to kill unwanted processes.,.then u will get atleast 12mb free!!
lollll..................

Advanced Task Manager
Hi,
hey is the advenced task manager better than the one provided with the Phone???
If so .. how???? i mean you can see the running processes in the normal task manager too and delete them.....
If its better...then it would be great if you can paste the Download link for it

gshah said:
Hi All,
i am a new user to PDA phones. I was using the PointUI home freeware(similar to SPB Home). On turning on the Audio manager, i found the phone becoming slow. The free memory shown was 9.15 MB.I hence uninstalled the PointUI freeware and checked the program memory usage. Even while not any applications,call or msg these are the stats:
Prog Mem: 43.24 MB
In Use: 22.16 MB
Free: 21.08 MB
I would like to know why the In Use memory is taking 50% of the space while NOT running any applications!
and is there any way to enhance the program performance?!!
Apolagize if the question is wierd..just a lay mans' question...
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Point UI is a memory hog. it uses up huge memory. Try removing it, it should improve your system's memory usage dramatically. BTW usage of 22 mb is pretty ok.

HTC HD2 "Out of Memory" error

I have stock ROM on my T-Mobile HD2.
Many softwares crash/hang-up with "out-of-memory" error, eg. Xn-View, Need for Speed, Kinoma Play.
This is strange..my HD used to run these without any problems. And HD2 is supposed to have more RAM and faster processor.
Really frustrated. Please help

Do you have many apps installed to your device?
When installing you get the option of device or storage card, maybe uninstall and reinstall to storage card?
Also, be sure to check out CleanRAM, that may help?

Funny to hear similar probs: I moved opera-cache, album-cache, photos to SD-Card, have 170 MB free of prog-mem and 50 MB free of data-mem and still get once in a while "not enough memory, cannot allocate mapBuf" with my aviation-navi-software (which works without this problem on my Touch HD for 2 years). With SK Tools background free RAM and the other services it happens less frequently but it still happens.
Looks as if WM 6.5 does not know where to put app-data into RAM

??????????????????

Are you using Opera Mobile 10?

With heave loaded opera mobile 10, i can't start camera at once.. but the RAM still showing over 100mb of spaces :O shame...

opera mobile is the problem for me, though i installed it to sd card today and it hasnt happened so far

I got the same Out of Memory for My Camera in my smaberg's Touch X cooked rom..
I have SEVEN push email running in the background.. it runs fine in stock..
I think it's because of the 2.10 driver things?
wondering if anyone have a solution for this?

Any solution yet?
Still have no good solution..

It seems that Opera 9 saves downloads to a folder on the phone memory, but it doesn't always delete them when you tell opera to do so in the downloads menu tab.
It saves them too: \My Device\Windows\opera9\profile\download
When I deleated most of the files there it released over 110 MB of space in the device storage.
I wonder where other programs save similar files?
Sam.

i have the same problem but guys, ram isnt rom. memory here means RAM and has nothing to do with phone storage nor sd storage

Memory usage
I do also have problems with "out of memory" errors.
I have tried to do an analyze of my HD2 with MemMaid to figure out where all the memory is used up in my device.
First of all, I have moved all cashes to the memory card and cleaned up the cashes in the phone memory, as been described well in other threads.
I have about 35 applications installed and most of them on the memory card.
This is what I have found out:
Device memory:
337Mb available , 151Mb used , 185MB free (45% used)
Device storage:
180Mb available , 164Mb used , 16Mb free (91% used)
Storage card:
16Gb available , 8Gb used , 8Gb free (50% used)
Looking at directories to see where most files are stored, windows is by far the biggest folder in my device.
The windows directory is 442Mb (!)
where 10470 files makes a total of 420Mb and other folders like programs are 22Mb.
- This is where I suspect I do have a problem, is it really normal that windows folder do have so many files? For example, there are 3017 _manila files, there are also over 3000 bmp,gif,png files.
- I have a thought that I might have inherrited a lot of files from my old TyTnII when I started up the new HD2 and synchronized it via "Microsoft My Phone".
How does it look for other HD2 users with the memory usage?
Regards

Did you save your picture on device memory? How many song did u put on device memory (ringtone for example)?

All those are stored on the memory card.
Opra cash, Youtube, ring tones, music, photos, are all on the memory card.
Regards

I have started to get this 'out of memory message' after in installed opera 10 mobile.
I dont know how to move the cache to the memory card like you could in opera 9.

I already often have a "out of memory" while trying to turn on my camera.
And... I have found a way to turn it back on without restarting : use HTAddicts CleanRAM !
Launch it, it will clean your ram (different profiles are available) and then the camera will start up.
Direct download HERE

I'm pretty sure this message is caused by one of three things:
1. Windows Mobile (even 6.5) still has a 32 process limit
2. Some older programs possibly including the camera software may not be aware of more than 32 or 64gb of memory, so even though there is tons left it can't use it.
3. There is also a cache of memory used by drivers.

Sam2k said:
It seems that Opera 9 saves downloads to a folder on the phone memory, but it doesn't always delete them when you tell opera to do so in the downloads menu tab.
It saves them too: \My Device\Windows\opera9\profile\download
When I deleated most of the files there it released over 110 MB of space in the device storage.
I wonder where other programs save similar files?
Sam.
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My thanks Sam, I had this memory problem for a while again thanks for the fix

mem error
Sam2k said:
It seems that Opera 9 saves downloads to a folder on the phone memory, but it doesn't always delete them when you tell opera to do so in the downloads menu tab.
It saves them too: \My Device\Windows\opera9\profile\download
When I deleated most of the files there it released over 110 MB of space in the device storage.
I wonder where other programs save similar files?
Sam.
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my hd2 has what may be a similar issue with memory, after official 3.14 install and doing registry tweaks involving memory and graphics settings, mine is "out of memory" on Opera 9.7 all the time here within the past 2 weeks. I've gone into opera settings and deleted cache and history, no results. I can get memory warning with only 1 tab open. Any cabs I've added are on the memory card not the phone memory. I tried to follow this path to delete files, mine doesn't show the "download" file. Am trying to move Opera over to the card. I don't have any of the original games or movies on card or phone. Didn't want or need them. Other tips, suggestions?

Maybe to much programms are (in background) open?
Please close with taskmanager and try again.
btw. witch Stock rom, radio version and spl version do you have?

phone in low internal memory

OK guys..pardon my stupidity..i have read up on similar thread with similar situation but the thing is i do not know what is the best way to do it..i install the cleartemp but it's not working...i deleted my IE/Opera cache but i am still running on low memory..i wonder what is the best and simplest way to do it?other then hard reset thou...this phone is new to me and it's running on low memory already..my apps are install in my SD so i guess that wasn't an issue..SO! how do i free my phone memory?basically i use my phone to surf net..using IE..other then that would be youtube..need help!

yohliying said:
OK guys..pardon my stupidity..i have read up on similar thread with similar situation but the thing is i do not know what is the best way to do it..i install the cleartemp but it's not working...i deleted my IE/Opera cache but i am still running on low memory..i wonder what is the best and simplest way to do it?other then hard reset thou...this phone is new to me and it's running on low memory already..my apps are install in my SD so i guess that wasn't an issue..SO! how do i free my phone memory?basically i use my phone to surf net..using IE..other then that would be youtube..need help!
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how 'low' is 'low memory'?

rp-x1 said:
how 'low' is 'low memory'?
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And which memory because you are talking about installing apps when that has nothing directly to do with operating memory.
Installing on mem card doesn't "save" anything in this regard.

I'm also low on Storage-mem on the phone - even though I install programs on the memorycard whenever possible (and of course put my pictures, music and videos on the mem-card as well!).
I have 177mb free Program-memory on the phone but only 9.3mb storage-mem.
This makes programs such as the YouTube-app very unhappy as it seems to only be able to cache to internal storage-memory :-(
On older versions of WM you could change how the phone used it's internal memory with a slider in settings.
The phone also seemed to adjust this automatically as it became necessary.
Now however it seems that this possibility is gone (both manual and automatic adjustment).
I hope it is only my ignorance speaking so here's hoping that someone has a solution to this problem (fingers crossed)

trondkk said:
I'm also low on Storage-mem on the phone - even though I install programs on the memorycard whenever possible (and of course put my pictures, music and videos on the mem-card as well!).
I have 177mb free Program-memory on the phone but only 9.3mb storage-mem.
This makes programs such as the YouTube-app very unhappy as it seems to only be able to cache to internal storage-memory :-(
On older versions of WM you could change how the phone used it's internal memory with a slider in settings.
The phone also seemed to adjust this automatically as it became necessary.
Now however it seems that this possibility is gone (both manual and automatic adjustment).
I hope it is only my ignorance speaking so here's hoping that someone has a solution to this problem (fingers crossed)
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If you have used up storage mem then that's it but what have you installed to use it.
Mine shows 152Mb storage and 252Mb program memory free. 27 apps installed and everything running fine.

Do you install a lot of application from the Marketplace? If so, this defaults to install on internal memory

I have exactly the same issue, and it's very frustrating. Pretty crazy really as I can't use the phone for anything that uses device storage. No youtube, no media busy web pages and some apps refuse to run smoothly, or at all.
Like you, I'm always having to delete Opera & IE's cache files just to keep the phone functioning! I've also deleted all my Co-Pilot files on the card and the device - this helped a little and gave me another 5 or 6 MB of device space.
With all cache's cleared and around 30 programs installed (all on the card) I now only have 7.8MB of free device storage, which disappears within a few minutes when using Opera.
Out of the 336MB of program storage I have filled 153MB with 182MB free - I wish I could control how much memory is allocated to the program memory and device memory.

Very strange...I have any large applications like games, copliot etc installed on my SD card, only small apps on my internal memory...
Total storage: 200.15MB
Used storage: 119.99MB
Free storage: 80.16MB
Total program: 336.93MB
Used program: 170.54MB
Free profram: 166.89MB

i have a 16 meg Ram Disk (see the 'ram disk' thread ) and my system temp folders and caches, plus opera cache have been moved to it. Opera now runs really fast, and the cache is no longer taking up the storage memory, plus when you soft reset it clears out the cache too.

chronicle said:
I have exactly the same issue, and it's very frustrating. Pretty crazy really as I can't use the phone for anything that uses device storage. No youtube, no media busy web pages and some apps refuse to run smoothly, or at all.
Like you, I'm always having to delete Opera & IE's cache files just to keep the phone functioning! I've also deleted all my Co-Pilot files on the card and the device - this helped a little and gave me another 5 or 6 MB of device space.
With all cache's cleared and around 30 programs installed (all on the card) I now only have 7.8MB of free device storage, which disappears within a few minutes when using Opera.
Out of the 336MB of program storage I have filled 153MB with 182MB free - I wish I could control how much memory is allocated to the program memory and device memory.
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Wow thats so confusing!
Just tell us
Storage memory (where the apps are installed)
Program memory (where the apps and OS run)
You should have plenty of mem to install ail your apps and run them without a problem.
Try installing them all to phone because you have enough mem

pa49 said:
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Wow thats so confusing!
Just tell us
Storage memory (where the apps are installed)
Program memory (where the apps and OS run)
You should have plenty of mem to install ail your apps and run them without a problem.
Try installing them all to phone because you have enough mem
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I have since day 1 installed all my programs to the memory card apart from a couple of programs and hotfixes which I though would be smarter if I installed to the device - but these are tiny. I have also set my marketplace to default to the memory card and removed all co-pilot files and set all podcasts to the microSD too.
Total Storage: 200.27
Used Storage: 191.48
Free Storage: 8.79 (whohooo, that's much bigger than normal!)
Total Program: 336.93
Used Program: 143.89
Free Program: 192.93
SD Card: Over 2GB's free
I really have no idea what's using all my internal storage.

Yep - that's about the same for me.
Only a few apps are installed directly on the phone (the ones that install without letting the user decide where they want them) so what's hogging my phone-storage is beyond me...
But I really don't need close to 200 mb of program-memory, is there really no way to use some of this memory for storage - as was possible with earlier versions of WM?

Have you tried importing to PC, such as pictures and other things, using Windows Mobile Centre?

chronicle said:
I have since day 1 installed all my programs to the memory card apart from a couple of programs and hotfixes which I though would be smarter if I installed to the device - but these are tiny. I have also set my marketplace to default to the memory card and removed all co-pilot files and set all podcasts to the microSD too.
Total Storage: 200.27
Used Storage: 191.48
Free Storage: 8.79 (whohooo, that's much bigger than normal!)
Total Program: 336.93
Used Program: 143.89
Free Program: 192.93
SD Card: Over 2GB's free
I really have no idea what's using all my internal storage.
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Yes but why? Storage mem is there for, well, storage. So why not use it?

pa49 said:
Yes but why? Storage mem is there for, well, storage. So why not use it?
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I can't help but think that you've missed the point - when the storage memory is full the phone ceases to function properly!
It uses this area of storage for the cache files for the browser and for applications such as you tube. When I start the youtube app, if it opens at all, it will say 'Critically low on system memory...etc' and shut down after playing a few seconds. If I have many tabs open in opera the same memory problem occurs.
The 'Device Storage' partition is full (with what I don't know) whilst the 'Device Program' partition is almost empty. We have no control over what sizes those partitions are. Maybe i've got it all wrong but either way it's really limiting the usefulness of the phone.

trondkk said:
But I really don't need close to 200 mb of program-memory, is there really no way to use some of this memory for storage - as was possible with earlier versions of WM?
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yes there is. as I mentioned in post 9, I use a ram disk for my temp files and cache. lives in program memory but shows up as a (fast) memory card.
search for the ram disk thread.
also, as regards figuring out what is taking up all the space, use a file manager (don't forget to unhide all files) and search for everything over....say....1 meg.

chronicle said:
I can't help but think that you've missed the point - when the storage memory is full the phone ceases to function properly!
It uses this area of storage for the cache files for the browser and for applications such as you tube. When I start the youtube app, if it opens at all, it will say 'Critically low on system memory...etc' and shut down after playing a few seconds. If I have many tabs open in opera the same memory problem occurs.
The 'Device Storage' partition is full (with what I don't know) whilst the 'Device Program' partition is almost empty. We have no control over what sizes those partitions are. Maybe i've got it all wrong but either way it's really limiting the usefulness of the phone.
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No I haven't missed the point, I just don't get the problem and I'm trying to figure out why not?
And that would help you. Something is causing certain phones to behave this way. I use youtube and opera and never have to clear out anything.
I currently have 36 apps showing on my start menu screen and memory is showing as Storage 152.13 Mb free and program 313.80 Mb free.
I run Titanium (not manilla UI) and I have LeoLite ROM installed.
Something in that setup is causing the phone to respond differently!

Duplicate post

u can do these things
1. instal darkcab catcher----on this website...moves all the programs to external storage
2. moves ur htc album cache and opera cache to external storage

hash1234 said:
u can do these things
1. instal darkcab catcher----on this website...moves all the programs to external storage
2. moves ur htc album cache and opera cache to external storage
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I might be a little bit stupid, but on what website can I find darkcab catcher?