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Hi all:
I have been recently comparing both of these phones and so far find myself leaning towards the xperia simply because for me two things are a must: hardware keyboard and a memory expansion slot. Both of these the Diamond lacks.
What are your thoughts? suggestions?
thesire said:
Hi all:
I have been recently comparing both of these phones and so far find myself leaning towards the xperia simply because for me two things are a must: hardware keyboard and a memory expansion slot. Both of these the Diamond lacks.
What are your thoughts? suggestions?
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Have you considered the Raphael? Best of both worlds. Otherwise, I would shoot for the Xperia.
i would go for Xperia x1.. take a look at the resolution and the amazing bigger screen and ofcrse the card expansion slot
i voted diamond because im getting one on day 1, but im sure, ill get an x1 at some point, and it may well be that the diamond goes to ebay so i can get the x1. it all depends really. i was looking at a vid on yt of the x1, and the panels chooser looks amazing, but when u select one and it goes to home it takes so long. this was way back in feb, so things will probably improve with the new amount of ram. if they do, and its fast at everything ill get one. just like you lot because of the keyboard and microsd.
Rory
rorydaredkign said:
i voted diamond because im getting one on day 1, but im sure, ill get an x1 at some point, and it may well be that the diamond goes to ebay so i can get the x1. it all depends really. i was looking at a vid on yt of the x1, and the panels chooser looks amazing, but when u select one and it goes to home it takes so long. this was way back in feb, so things will probably improve with the new amount of ram. if they do, and its fast at everything ill get one. just like you lot because of the keyboard and microsd.
Rory
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I'd go with the Diamond... The X1 Panels is just an expensive gimmick that does nothing (although I'm gonna try and rip it out of an X1 ROM I have for fun )!
I think the Raphael would be the best of both!
well sonyE are more set in the phone market maybe they will not cut corners with drivers
as rep means alot when you are as big as them
I voted Xperia X1, but will be buying a Diamond. And the only reason behind that is that I think that technically the Xperia X1 is a better device in terms of hardware, but it’s not available yet, and probably not until September / October / November.
As I’m impatient, and the Diamond is a good upgrade from my current Orbit that’s the way I will be going. But come end of the year I might be getting a new shiny X1-mas prezzie.
I vote Raphael!
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read.php?id=2918&ch=1
http://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/specs.php?id=2522
I voted Diamond because it's here and the Xperia X1 is vapourware. Remember the 990i? How long did that POS take to be released?
Kevin
I'd certainly like to get the Raphael, but it looks like it's Tri-band for the European market, so it wouldn't be very usable in the States. Xperia for me, as keyboard is a must.
http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/05/exclusive-preview-24-hours-with-the-sony-ericsson-xperia-x1/
i find it amusing that the landscape pic show that sonyE are currently using htc xbutton as taskmanager
and the "virtual desktop" system dont seem to be active currently
so so far imho it's more of a htc phone with a htc rom then a htc phone with a sonyE rom
X1 for me, only because of WVGA. The real question is, how soon will XDA-devs have TouchFlo3D ready for it. That would make this choice that much easier.
I'm thinking of Sam_i900.Especially if the rumors are true...
Regards!
if you mean about the mem then will 32GB microSD cards not come along soon and make internal mem les importent?
I'm a hardware keyboard fan, so it's between the Raphael and X1, and currently the X1 seems best to me due to WVGA screen (which will make browsing the web & watching videos much better) and the curved slide, which will make the loss of my Kaiser's tilting screen easier to bear than the no-tilt on the Raphael.
I guess the X1 will be more expensive though... will have to see.
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I'm a hardware keyboard fan, so it's between the Raphael and X1, and currently the X1 seems best to me due to WVGA screen (which will make browsing the web & watching videos much better) and the curved slide, which will make the loss of my Kaiser's tilting screen easier to bear than the no-tilt on the Raphael.
I guess the X1 will be more expensive though... will have to see.
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I doubt the X1 will be as heavily subsidised as the Raphael... Also, I believe the Raphael may still have the kaiser tilt functionality
well for us people in the states are gonna have to stick with the x1 cause of the band limitations of the other devices...
Have you think of the actual screen size?
I just want to point out a fact that maybe misleaded by the public. Everyone is saying that the X1 3 inch screen is larger than the Diamond 2.8 inch. It's correct for the diagonal, but have you calculated the actual physical dimension of each pixel?
I don't go into the detail calculation as it should be easily reproduced...
For a 2.8 inch VGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.0035 inch.
For a 3 inch WVGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.00321 inch.
That means all text on a 3 inch WVGA screen is about 8% smaller than a 2.8 inch VGA screen.
However, I'm not saying a larger or smaller screen is the only factor for a buying decision. But the fact should be revealed as well.
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I just want to point out a fact that maybe misleaded by the public. Everyone is saying that the X1 3 inch screen is larger than the Diamond 2.8 inch. It's correct for the diagonal, but have you calculated the actual physical dimension of each pixel?
I don't go into the detail calculation as it should be easily reproduced...
For a 2.8 inch VGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.0035 inch.
For a 3 inch WVGA screen, the width of each pixel is 0.00321 inch.
That means all text on a 3 inch WVGA screen is about 8% smaller than a 2.8 inch VGA screen.
However, I'm not saying a larger or smaller screen is the only factor for a buying decision. But the fact should be revealed as well.
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But, having more pixels on the screen may make up for the fact they're smaller. You get a lot more pixels with the X1.
However, I think the Raphael is still the best offering...
Panels is a nice idea, but has so little effect, whereas TF3D makes a big difference to usability...
will be interesting to see how the cam in x1 is
as i believe like most other phone makers got a rep
for better cams then htc does
though personaly i think anything Cmos rather then CCD (real dig cams)
look odd and slightly sinister
Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?
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Some time early next year i will be upgrading my good old Imate Jamin with a new phone... Currently i am considering these 2 phones...
Both are solid build by HTC, both have 800x480 screen.
So what did i find out untill now...
Big beautifull screen vs small beautifull screen.... Blackstone
Nice keyboard vs No keyboard..........................Xperia
Quallcom processor vs Quallcom processor..........Tie
Good 5 Mpix camera vs superb 3.2 Mpix cam.......Tie
Qvga Video vs VGA video at 30 fps....................Xperia
GPS without software vs GPS with pay software...Tie
Touchflow 3D vs Pannels..................................Tie
Motion sensor vs no motion sensor.....................Blackstone
No joystick vs mini joystick and Other buttons......Xperia
So far it comes pretty close to a tie... AS i really like the awesome screen and the motion sensor from the HD, but i will abssolutely miss the keyboard, controll buttons and VGA video...........
Downside of both phones should be their low processing power...
What else can you add to my comparison ?
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Design:
Xperia = 3
HD = 10
On that field HD wins easyly, my opinion of course
Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone
NeedAPhone said:
Screen size - Blackstone
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: ??
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone
Price: Blackstone
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Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)
The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell
Huck33 said:
The Xperia will have a specific interface base on SPB mobile shell
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Yes it is all over youtube, it is one of the many panels.
Raziel1 said:
Screen size - Blackstone (Big screen easy to use even without stylus, vs X1 where you often have no choice than to work with the stylus.)
GUI: TouchFLO vs Xperia Interface: Blackstone (Simple, effective. just nice and good.)
Performance: Blackstone (Smooth and faster. higher performance [tested by some german reviews]. Vs X1 which is laggy especially where it shouldn't be: on its panels! Up to 4 seconds!! waiting time when switching panels)
Multimedia: Blackstone (Bigger screen -> much nicer to watch movies, and pictures. Better sound quality [tested by german reviewers]. X1 has no equalizer onboard.)
Browsing the net: Blackstone (Again bigger screen -> reading webpages and surfing much more comfortable. X1 doesn't support flash out of the box [maybe same with the Blackstone] but as testet in reviews, it can lead to problems when you try to install flashlite on the X1.)
Dimensions/Portability: Blackstone (i prefer slim but wider over, bulky. but thats just peronal at least, slim devices fit more into pockets or bags)
Writing: Blackstone (Now thats really jsut a personal choic. But i prefer a virtual keybord. its just that when i am writing a message, i tend to look on the screen to see what i am doing but when working with a keypad, i have to look on the keys [especially when its hard to feel a differents between the buttos as with the X1 and other phones] Also, adding a keyboard to a phone, makes almost twice the sice [Diamond -> Touch Pro]. And many people who bought such phones, often come to the conclusion that thay don't really use the keyboard most of the time.)
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keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.
d2ey said:
keyboard is just like insurance, you never know when you really really need it.
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A thin device is an advantage, not the missing keyboard. I am curious how well the typing will be. What do the Diamond colleagues say about this?
Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well. This point goes to Xperia. And this might be important for video viewing, coding/encoding. Not so much for the panels ... I do not care too much about the panels.
Eriol
Well this Diamond colleague says I like the keyboard on the Diamond although it is not as fast as a tactile keyboard. However, not because of the reason I expected (the fact that you cannot feel the buttons) as I got used to that quite fast but rather because the keyboard is a bit cramped on the diamond and therefore I miss keys sometimes. The landscape keyboard is really nice and I can imagine that with the added width it will be much less of a problem. Using the suretype keyboard I can type as fast as anything, if the keys were bigger it would be even faster.
Conclusion: I do not miss a tactile keyboard, but I do miss the real estate to put a virtual variant on. So with the HD I will have very little use for a tactile keyboard! My two cents.
As a Touch Pro owner I've learned that for my typical use the keyboard is not much of an asset -- I've found that I've become so accustomed to the virtual keyboard, especially the improved virtual keyboard choices in the Diamond/Touch Pro series, that I hardly ever even open the sliding keyboard. So for me the HD seems like a better choice than the X1 because it offers much greater screen real estate so using the virtual keyboard has less impact on what I'm typing into. My advice: if you really like using the hardware keyboard, try using the virtual keyboard exclusively for awhile to see if you can adapt (I know the virtual keyboard on your Jamin is small and more difficult to use but it still might help you evaluate that) -- if you can adapt to the virtual keyboard then the HD might be your better choice. If not, and you really need the hardware keyboard I suggest you should stick with a model that includes it. The problem in today's market is these devices are so expensive, if we make the wrong choice it's expensive to correct it.
Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia YES, microSD
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia 1500
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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PJ6363 said:
Never missed the keyboard going from Kaiser to Diamond....and not sure about Xperia, but 2 things not mentioned are
SD Card: Blackstone yes, Diamond no, Xperia ??
Battery: Blackstone 1350 , Diamond 900 , Xperia ??
......power and hard memory, quite important features
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Xperia has an SD slot......
Xperia is rumored to have the longer battery life
Eriol said:
Xperia has some additional hardware graphics acceleration from ATI while Touch HD to my understanding only uses the acceleration provided by Qualcomm CPU - Xperia uses this as well.
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If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...
For 3D gaming the Xperia will be a better deal as well ... The HD is missing some control buttons for this as well. But, honestly, 3D gaming is not what I want to do with this hardware ...
We will see how Xperia and HD perform on video viewing and things like this.
Eriol
The only Games i like to play on my Prophet are the oldscool LucasArts Adventures and some strategy games, and they will be fantastic to play on a screen like the Touch HDs. For 3D Gaming i prefer my PC, ive no need to play shooters with bad graphics and without mouse
I will definately buy a Touch HD as soon as it comes out.
If this is true, Xperia would be a leap ahead of HTC...
I never understood HTC's pollicy not to use some of the speciall embedded Quallcom hardware...
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As far as i heard its the other way around:
Xperia has no graphic chip while the HD has got one. But whatever is true, areamobile and other reviewers teste it and said, that the X1 has got horrible performance in 3D and not that good in 2D. (the panels are just one of the main moments where you will see this). They also compared the X1 to the HD and said that the HD has got more power and better performance.
Battery life of the X1 is pretty good as tested. it has 1500 battery in it, while the HD has got a 1350 battery. But on the other hand, they couldn't test the HD battery. What they found out so far, is that it seems to live upt to its promised hours (which are higher than that of the X1) and that the testers where very surprised and positive, that the HD backlight doesn't use much power and as so, doesn't really impact bettery life. And that the HD performes very good on 3G, because of sime kind of new chip improvements HTC made (they asked HTC about it and recieved a statement about new architekute or improvements of their qualcomm chip)
camera/speed
as much as i believe X1 will have a waaaay better camera. Base on the reviews i've seen, the panels is so slow that makes the user feels like running vista on 512Ram. reminds me of touchflo when they first came out. what do you guys think?
i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....
pzucchel said:
i used the wizard for years, with the keyboard, then i moved to the trinity (no keyboard) thinking i was loosing a lot (but i had to buy it in a rush since i broke the wizard). Conclusion: i got used to it after few weeks and i have a much more handy device. Now i already ordered the touch hd since the extra value of a sliding keyboard is not compensated by the actual use. If i have to type a lot, i use a ...laptop... or an external bluetooth keyboard (i have a freedom keyboard which is actually very bad - but i am thinking about the dinovo mini for the touch hd)....
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Dinovo Mini would be a nice idea i got one myself. the good thing is the touchpad, which works as a mousepad and as cursors at the same time. (Holding down the FN buttons switches the modes) or you cqan just use a little slider on the top to switch the mode of the dinovo. The only thing you will have to do, is to download the program AEKMap and the dinovo map file, so that you get all keys like F1-F12
considering that the Experia once have lost against the XDA Diamond (another compare somewhere in the board) and that the Touch HD is a further stage of PDA, not to say the state of the art, i think there is no need to compare both of them to find out, wo is the winner
Guys !! I need your advice, I wanna buy a new WM....
I'm confused between these two!!! HD has a lovely big screen and Xperia has small screen but nice keyboard.
please ADVICE
Currently i got Samsung OMNIA
Thanks in advanced
Depends how much you text.
Very hard decicion - I have both and I can not say wich one is better.
The sony is much faster and the display is better ( but smaller ).
The camera is better, too.
The keyboard - sometimes I like it but sometimes I hate it. How can SE make asilver keyboard with white light ? It is unreadable most of the time.
The HD is looking very good, The Camera is bad - no photolight.
The display is not as bright as the x1 but the size is just perfect. In that point the best display on the market.
So I can not say
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Very hard decicion - I have both and I can not say wich one is better.
The sony is much faster and the display is better ( but smaller ).
The camera is better, too.
The keyboard - sometimes I like it but sometimes I hate it. How can SE make asilver keyboard with white light ? It is unreadable most of the time.
The HD is looking very good, The Camera is bad - no photolight.
The display is not as bright as the x1 but the size is just perfect. In that point the best display on the market.
So I can not say
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Saying that the Xperia X1 is much faster than the TouchHD is definetly exxagerated.
What about watching movies is it clear enough?
what do you mean by the display is better in Sony? does this mean the HD has a bad screen? i understood that both got 800X480
I saw the X1 for the first time for real at a Phone4U (dummy model).
It was smaller than I thought. I tried the keyboard out - was probably OK.
I had the X1 before and have to say that the keyboard is not that good as everybody expect.u have not that feedback from the keys while pressing.
Screen is a big plus for HD and also no slider so u have one part less which can be damaged
sorry - with meaning much faster - but I have both next to me and working a whole day the x1 feels much faster and smoother - I do not know why
I had an own threat asking why but nobody could help me
it is not a benchmarking feeling - it is a subjective view
sounds mad but the htc devices sometimes make pause for a short moment and the x1 just works like all winmo devices with pros and cons
HD better
Having owned an Xperia and owning an HD now I can say I much prefer the HD now. Yes the keyboard is nice but the HD has arrow keys that the keyboard (german which I had) of the X1 is missing. To reposition the cursor quickly on the X1 you have to use the much smaller touchscreen, only really feasible by stylus. All buttons etc are really small, stylus type. There is a Touchflo Rip running on there, but it's not fully functional yet afaik.
I finally decided to return the X1 when, after a reset that was forced by the panels app being crashed rendering the phone unusable, a tiny piece of casing plastik broke off.
The cam of the X1 is NOT better from my experience. video is much better on the HD as it has 0.8 inches more screen space.
DIVX is choppy in Coreplayer 1.2.3 from my experience.
Overall in terms of design, the HD is more designed for finger-use, while the X1 is more keyboard & stylus.
And I just used pocketputty, I'm as fast on the HD as I'm on the X1. If you want enjoyable video, prefer the HD for screen size...
I forget to say
THE TOUCH HD and the SE XPERIA 1 are definitly the bost absolutly BEST
Windows Mobile Devices I ever had
so my critic is at a high level
I love both devices - they are good
the only competitor they have is the iPhone
all Nokia and Samsung Devices are far beyond ( sorry I can not say anything about RIM Devices because i do not like the RIM System )
I ask myself why the Touch HD can not record Videos with VGA like the X1.
I know there was a threat about that on the Touch Pro.
Can anybody tell me if the X1 and HD have the same CPU and is there is a patch for the HD to record 640x480 Video over the Cam ?
In fact i need Text for email using ActiveSync and also i want to use the large screen for videos
Haven't seen anyone post on here so thought I would...
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hdmini/overview.html
Video Teaser for HD Mini
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTtCGiykDW0
heh, it has wm 6.5.3
EddyOS said:
Haven't seen anyone post on here so thought I would...
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hdmini/overview.html
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It have WM7 or update confirmation?.....no?.....no thanks, but i will not buy it, or tell someone to get it!
HD mini...
What makes the HD2 interesting is its big size, so why would you want a smaller one?
Different product altogether.
HVGA 320x480 after using an HD2 - no thanks.
When I first got thinking about buying an HD2 I was worried that I might not like such a big bulky screen.
Now - well you'd have to "pry it from my cold dead hands"
Massive Impact, Sensible Size
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Suggesting what they did with HD2 was not sensible then? LOL!!!
I actually like it. While I love my HD2, I don't do anything multimedia-ish on it and so a smaller screen wouldn't bother me..in fact I would prefer a smaller form factor...
but...no camera flash for one thing, slower processor for another.....
I'll wait for the HTC Obsession
EDIT : sorry...the 'rumoured' HTC Obsession
Hi!
Just two questions after I have seen several photos of the new HD Mini (for example on neowin.net):
1. Is it possible to get exactly this colorful wallpaper as background image for the HD2 somewhere?
2. Does the HD Mini still have a page with DirectLinks/QuickLinks?
I mean the HD2 has 9 DirectLinks on its HomeScreen (by default, I know, and by applying some Mods it can be extended to even 75 DirectLinks) when sliding the finger from the bottom up. But I was not able to see such DirectLinks for applications or contacts on any of the images of the HD Mini.
Thanks in advance for your help!
DotWin
i have the hd2 and i will buy this also it is very brilliant device and small
Isn't a 3.2" a bit too cramped for typing, etc.?
Something like 3.6" would have worked much better, IMO.
as keen as i am my HD2 i would prefur a smaller chassis for the same technology. Looks like i will be holding out for the diamond 3 release.
curious how the mini wil be priced though...
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Isn't a 3.2" a bit too cramped for typing, etc.?
Something like 3.6" would have worked much better, IMO.
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kudos and well said - with no hard keyboard it comes down to the onscreen kb. i played with a hd2 and it's nice, mostly because of capacitance though - i hate my hd kb - maybe small onscreen kb with capacitance may work?
I too was very interested when I heard of the HD Mini but ultimately agree with all of the above posts. Just falls short in terms of size (and looks). I use my Touch HD as much for its PDA abilities as I do telecommumications. Fits my hand like a glove and I am happy using with either one handed or two. Give me the chance of a HD2 in the 3.8 screen Touch HD chassis and I would buy one now.
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as keen as i am my HD2 i would prefur a smaller chassis for the same technology. Looks like i will be holding out for the diamond 3 release.
curious how the mini wil be priced though...
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diamond 3 will be the same as hd2 but with 3.7 screen , better choice than hd2
HD Mini is for people who needs small WM phones, compared to the "big" HD2, anyway I like the backplate
rumpleforeskin said:
as keen as i am my HD2 i would prefur a smaller chassis for the same technology. Looks like i will be holding out for the diamond 3 release.
curious how the mini wil be priced though...
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I've allready pre-ordered one from here.
price: €389
arrival date: april 2nd 2010
Grtz,
Degake
hoss_n2 said:
diamond 3 will be the same as hd2 but with 3.7 screen , better choice than hd2
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Have to agree with this and many other postings here; The Mini just falls short in looks, internal hardware specs, and the relatively small screen. What is needed is something like the HTC Desire (with WinMo) and it seems that the 'Diamond 3' will pretty much be this.
their choice of hvga (480x320) really baffles me... they could have at least put in a 640x480 VGA screen like the one from the diamond, wouldn't be a technological challenge would it?
Also, 480x320 seems like a weird aspect ratio...
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their choice of hvga (480x320) really baffles me... they could have at least put in a 640x480 VGA screen like the one from the diamond, wouldn't be a technological challenge would it?
Also, 480x320 seems like a weird aspect ratio...
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Hi everybody..
I have been considering buying this wonderful device but during my looking into the specifications I noticed this new strange resolution 320x480 HVGA which is the first time for me to come across this type of screen!
My question is, after your experience with this device, have you encountered any problems which are due to this specific type of screen? either on the level of program compatibility, which is most important, or any other problems?
The device is just the hit for me but this screen thing is holding my hand
Thank you in advance..
Yes, of course, some applications do not run, especially alternative keyboards such SlideIT.
Nevertheless most of them work just fine.
If you use specific legacy application, post a question on this forum to know if it works or if there are some alternative ones.
For example, I used in the past TomTom Collins French english dictionnary. This worked well on Diamond, but no way on HD mini. I had to change to slovoed that work fine, even if I like less the UI.
Thank you for your reply..
It's good news that MOST of the applications have no problem running on this device
Ok - of course there are many applications I want to make sure of before buying but some are essential and some are not so I'll ask about some programs that are of importance to me:
1) iGo for navigation
2) Navigon
3) Mobipocket Reader << this is the most important program in my Diamond right now so it has to work properly
No answer!
Have some patience!
iGO8- there are 2 threads on this, and there are ways to get it to work
Navigon: No idea
Mobipocket: No problem at all here- one of my most used programs!
Thank you NeilM
Well, so far so good, but need to make sure of other programs which I might mention here to make sure they work..
I just don't get it, why would HTC use such a screen? Is there any specialty that I should know about? Why not just use a WVGA or at least a normal VGA if that'll cost them much
Pardon me for my ignorance I have my history with PPCs but lately I wasn't up-to-date with the new ones
I think it is market economics. A number of Android devices also use HVGA so the same basic screen can be used across a range of phones.
Also WVGA and HVGA are both widescreen format which suits current usage patterns of video etc.
A less power hungry screen is a definite advantage in a smaller device. I don' t find the display any less usable than my HD2 in normal use, though I did need to use a registry editor to enable Cleartype, without which text is very poor; for some reason O2 have disabled the control panel for this.
NeilM said:
I think it is market economics
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The rule says: NEVER produce a perfect device << well, maybe it's not a disadvantage to have this screen but temporarily with the compatibility issues, it's really annoying!
Ok, I want to ask you as a user of HD MINI, how do you find the screen in terms of clarity, brightness, accuracy? How do you compare it with the Diamond's << I love that screen - I mean I understand the MINI is 3.2 inch whereas the Diamond is 2.8 inch so does this H in HVGA has a noticeable effect on the screen compared to its size?
Thank you for the information
As a previous Diamond user I have to say for me the HD Mini is much better. Obviously it is capacitive/multi touch which makes it very different in use, but the extra size makes a big difference.
OK, maybe icons and graphics are a little less definitive at the edges but it doesn't affect everyday use.
Personally I think VGA on a very small screen is pointless as text can be too small to read and web pages are very small, so HVGA is an improvement.
It seems that will be the new trend on Windows phone 7 and ohter phones (android, Iphone).
HVGA for small and WVGA for big screens. It is effectively strange, because it is even not the same aspect ratio.
NeilM,
Of course it's better if you look at it this way; capactive/multi-touch screen, but if you look at the other side which is the definition, you'll find that:
HD MINI: 480x320 + bigger screen = less picture quality
Diamond: 480x640 + smaller screen = more picture quality
Theoretically, I prefer having smaller screen with better definition rather than bigger one with worse definition, but I wouldn't base my decision now without testing it in reality - maybe I'll like it!
And as you said before that you use mobipocket, you need bigger screen and you'll sacrifice the quality for that, but, me, the cleartype matters alot to me
Honestly, I see a screen with the size 3.2 inch as the best typical size for me, but, more importantly, it should have a suitable definition too
Again, H in HVGA stands for what?! I don't think it's for "high"
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I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both
- H : I suppose is for Half 320 instead on 640
- I used Diamond for two years, and I prefer HD mini screen, the smaller resolution is not really an issue, but the bigger screen is really more confortable. In addition it runs a lot faster and all the things are more reactive, especitially for phone functions. The sound is better as well.
- Just a remark vs Diamond, HD mini do not have front camera anymore. For me is not an issue but it could be.
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moscard
I don't think so - unless they want to go back!
I mean why not use a normal VGA, for example, for a device they think it should be a revolution in phone market?!
I might be missing something here, but is there a problem in using VGA with capactive/multi-touch screens?
Why use less resolution while you should use more!
I hate these companies!
Thank you both
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I hope you're right, but most of companies are trying to standardise anything... screen resolution as well. What I do not understand, is why they choose two resolution with diferent aspect ratio. With same aspect ratio it would be simpler to disign software apps.
Yes- HVGA is Half VGA, ie 480*320
The aspect ratio of VGA and QVGA is 4:3, which is the standard 'square screen' ratio
WVGA and HVGA are 15:9 and 15:10 respectively which are near enough both the standard widescreen resolution.
There is no doubt that both increasing the screen size and decreasing the resolution should have an adverse effect on overall resolution, but my experience of the HD Mini is thta this is mitigated by the better overall quality of the screen, regardless of resolution.
Maybe if I were 20 years younger with perfect eyesight, I might have a different view!
The effect on device responsiveness using a lower resolution is marked though: 600MHz running HVGA is much faster than 524MHz running VGA ! Going back to the Diamond makes it feel so sluggish and unresponsive compared to the HD Mini and HD2.
Not happy with the HTC HD Mini
Just a quick feedback since I am playing around with a HTC HD Mini for a while now. Its my Girlfriends and has a broken screen so I get the chance play around until I replaced the screen. My personal experience is that this device is "horrible". Bad quality screen (I used it also before it had a broken screen ), compatibility is very limited (Custom stuff like XDA Mods not as much bought Apps) further more the Touch sensitve buttons are horrible to accidentaly hit them. Maybe I am just spoiled with the HD2 but I feel there are allot of trade-off's for the smaller form factor. But the worst thing all the nice XDA stuff will probaly never support this resolution since its preaty much the only device with it. (Windows Mobile atleast) Tried Cookie and MaxSense Mod on the HTC Mini without luck. Resolution problems.
PS: Anyone ever found disassembly instructions for the HTC HD Mini? I can find it for any other phone but not the HD Mini. There were just not enough sold to pros. I guess a good phone for Woman and iPhone users.
Encountered very few problems with this resolution. Especially for the newer free apps. Problems arises only in some old apps which either support only QVGA or VGA. But most certainly, you won't want to install such old apps in this shiny new colorful gadget.
For me, the Sense improvements to the UI, and WinMo 6.5.3's own improvements have eliminated my dependent on many of the old apps. I ended up installing less apps. Mostly new one i found reading thru the forums here.
Most of the only old apps i had to carry over from my old WinMo 6.1 are the dictionaries and translators. One of my favorite translators, HNHSoft Eng-Chn Dict, works poorly with HVGA resolution. Nevertheless, still usable. Fortunately, another from my old collection, WM-DICT 2.0, which worked poorly in 6.1 QVGA, turns out to be a great performer in 6.5.3 HVGA. So in reality, i lose one and win one, makes like i didn't lose anything at all.
I'd agree on the compatibility- almost all programs I've tried work fine. The only exceptions are TouchPal keyboard and 1-2 Remote.
1-2 Remote was poor on the HD2 as well as it's designed for QVGA and the skins are not optimised for other resolutions.
WM6.5.3 in its native form here, plus the current version of HTC Sense is a lot more stable than the native WM6.5 on the HD2 and any of the custom ROMs.
If you correctly tweak the screen (enabling Cleartype) it is very good indeed- can't understand the comment about it being poor- maybe it was faulty from the start if it failed later?
Having come from both a Diamond and HD2 I'm very satisfied with the HD Mini though I do find the screen 'touch' accuracy including the 'touch' buttons to need some getting used to. Switching the 'Touch Input' to 'Compact QUERTY' makes typing very much easier with XT9 turned on